Misslinda ER hospital

[misslinda]

Good mornig/afternoon or evening everyone,

I guess depending where your'e living......anyway, today is marked the "day 4 juice fast" but about 5:30 in the morning, my heart was pounding and breathing was a little hard. I was seen for these symptoms 3 years ago that involved overdose on diet pills (w epehdra), coffee and over the counter medications. I have not used thes items since 2001. So I have a specific question--Has anyone here suffered similar symptoms and did a juice fast but expereinced the sypmtoms and had to stop juice fasting??? The only thing odd in my blood work was glucose being 127H the topping range to be within their guidlines is 99. But then prior to paramedics, i had sips of blueberry juice.

I find this frustrating b/c I was very diligent and focused yet now this doesn't even seem good for me.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.


Feeling a little of everything right now,
Linda

[tglasco4]

Hi Linda,

You seem to be the type of person that is detail oriented. Which means you are precise type of individual. When I did my juice fast I felt all kinds of things. Depressed feelings, elevated feelings, melancholy feelings (did I spell that right?)...blah blah blah. But I really have a deep distrust of doctors. Almost to a fault I would say, in that I don't listen to most of what they have to say about anything. So if I died during my juice fast, I would have just died then . I guess I am saying that I have come to the conclusion that you would really benefit from advice of someone just like yourself. Someone like Jay maybe? Just a thought.

Peace.

Todd

[misslinda]

I suppose I should be talking to my naturopath but considering today is Sunday, I 'm a little anxious to pin point the cause. I'm comfortable with the emotional changes with the fast but being completely sleep and woken up with the inability to talk when these palps are oging on, are pretty scary and imobilizing.

I don't want to give up on rawness but Juicing may even be to intense of a transition right now--at this point I don't know and I cringe at that thought.


~linda

[Rawkinlocs]

I often hear/read that when one fasts that a lot of old stuff comes to the surface. For example, when my husband did a fast of sorts, old symptoms of his former Hyperthyroidism came to surface. One of things that occured during his illness back in '99 was a loss of body hair. The hair on his arms, legs, chest, etc. started falling out and he was practically hairless.

During his cleansing, he began losing body hair again and feeling a few symptoms of what he felt before. But about several days later, the symptoms he felt had diminished and about a week later, we both noticed the hair had come back in FULL force and he hasn't seen the problem again since.

So, I'm saying all that to say this...during our times of putting all trust in doctors and traditional medicine, etc., we tend to do a lot of surpressing of symptoms and thus, never really getting rid of the thing that plagued us. Doctors and ourselves tend to feel it's best to take a pill or take some kind of medicine to treat/mask the symptoms, but never really get rid of the problem. I don't know what the doctors did or gave you when you had the diet pill overdose, but although it was 2001 that you had the diet pills, it's not unheard of that you would still have residuals of it in your body, hidden and stored in fat and tissue. Now that you're doing a slightly deeper form of cleansing via fasting, that stuff is now being released from those hidden storage areas and you're experiencing the effects of it as it's trying to leave your body. The BEST thing you can probably do is to make sure you're eliminating well and frequently to get that stuff out. Enemas or (so I've heard) drinking hot/warm water with lemon juice in it will help flush that stuff out as well as drinking plenty of (room temp.) water to dilute and help flush out the toxins.

And REST as much as possible. That's one thing many fail to do when fasting...we feel great so we tend to keep doing and doing, but I keep reading that the body needs to rest because it's when our bodies rest/sleep that it heals.

[misslinda]

I'm all for juice fasting but I believe there is a fine line for me to address and that is probably what potential heart damage (((if any have I done))). What is serving ths cause and again I know that is something I will either have to search to findout or never know. One concern I have is if I am not "strong" enough to do a fast--then I potentially could be doing more harm then good. I've tried to talk myself into believeing that this episode is a result of "detox" but this is not the first time my blood sugar has raised a red flag.


What's interesting as I've been thinking, in the past during my unhealthy habits, I could go days without food and still maintain my sugar levels (energy). Now, if I go more than several hours without the next juicing or food, I get disoriented and the "panic" like symptoms on a smaller scale start. breathing becomes heavy too. So far, I see a pattern of sugar level problems. I'm juicing all certified organic fruits and veggies and doing 70% veggies and rest fruit that are considred average ont he Glycemic scale.

I appreicate everyone's input.


day 4 half juice half raw food,
linda

[misslinda]

Rawkinlocs,

What do you suggest for elimination since I have extreme adverse reaction to senna and the salt water flush as my naturoth indicated, may not be the best use. He is going to let me know monday but if you have any, please let me know. What do you use for enemas? I know for sure that coffee is out of the question as an enema.

This whole situation scare me like crazy.

linda

[Jay]

Hi Linda,

I'm sorry you had such a bad experience, I wish I could help you, but I've never really experienced those kind of things...
I hope you'll be on your feet in no time, and if you are really concerned, I'd say call your naturopath for some insight, I know it's sunday, but let's just hope he won't mind, besides it's your health so it's important, right?!

My thoughts go out to you :)

Joke

[misslinda]

Hey jay,

yeah I feel strange this afternoon. Thank you--unfortuantely, my naturopath does no give out an emergency number so monday will soo n have to come. sucks, it's almost christmas and this is the last thing I thought I would experience.

You know what really sucks? They gave me 2 IV's and can you believe that I gained 2 lbs from that crappy stuff--the time I was thinking about my juicer. So know I feel even worse. I'm gonna be strong and take it easy. I think if things go okay, I will juice 2 days at a time.

moving slower,
linda

[Jay]

Linda,

just know that it's okay to break your juicefast if you are starting to feel uncomfortable with it, just eat whole fruits again if you really want to, it's okay! I know you want to make it to ten days (or longer?) but if you think that it's too difficult to keep juicing right now because of what's happening, than by all means, break the fast! I just don't want you to get even more uncomfortable by keeping this juicefast if you think you might feel better eating whole fruits again... the decision is up to you, remember, we don't judge here, we only support!

Luv,
Joke

[misslinda]

Jay you know I take your words to heart these days-right? odes 2 slices of cheescake fall under taht category.

Literally, when this post came thru my mum had stopped by with a brand new box 16" of gourmet cheesecake and a bag full of non organic fruit. The funny thing is--I threw the fruit away b/c of it's chemicals but not the cheesecake.

I wish I could go back in time and come home and just had the cabbage juice like I did.

sighing,
linda

[LiveOne]

Dear Linda,

I'm new to this forum and I have to comment on this post - this happened to me as well except even worse. It is a body detox. For me it happened during a 3 day juice fast and suddenly my heart started pounding and I thought I was dying. My heart was pounding, I was shaking, hyperventalating and felt that my whole body was "tightening up". I didn't want to drink any more juice and was really freaking out. It just felt like a heart attack but I thought, it couldn't be that, I have never had heart problems.

I found out later that this is what's called a gallbladder attack. When your gallbladder/liver detoxes, as during a juice fast, you may have a gallstone that actually moves and blocks the opening, and may cause nausea or some kind of an "attack" like I had. I continued on the detox program and a few days later did a liver/gallbladder bomb and passed many, many gallstones. It was hell for a few days but I lost a ton of weight and ended up feeling great at the end. If you have a toxic liver/gallbladder you can also experience a lot of bad emotions - depression, anxiety, worriedness, sadness, etc. These, amazingly, went away to a great degree after I cleaned out my liver and gallbladder!

I almost went to the ER when I had this "attack" but luckily I had people around who helped me through it. I didn't want to go to a hospital where they would give me drugs and do bad things to me. So first thing I did was take some hawthorn berry extract which helped a little, and also lobelia is very helpful in this type of thing. But the most helpful thing was a combination of calcium and magnesium, made into a drink with a little apple cider vinegar. It has to be the right amounts exactly because if not it won't work. Email me and I'll give you the recipe. As soon as i drank this I went and threw up for a while and then felt 99% better - then went right to sleep.

So there is help for this - I've been through it! Please email me if you need any more help... goldenpoems@ameritech.net.

Love,

Lane

[misslinda]

OMG Lane I just left you a resonse in you post to get more info about your situation--I intuitively felt we may have some similarities. I'll email you to ge tmore info.

crossing my fingers,
linda

[Helen Of Tennessee]

Hi Linda,

Here is a neat post, explaining retracing. When someone cleans up their food intake and detox, the clean up in reverse. I know it might sound a little strange, but this post explains it a whole lot better. Scroll down to Zsuzsa's post:

http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.p...=24832&t=24747

I've read stories where people could taste things they hadn't had since they were a child. One lady said she could taste crayons; when she was a child she did eat some. I know when I was first high raw I could taste a dish I use to eat when I was very young. I had forgotten about it. It was bread ripped up, with milk and white sugar on it. I use to eat that a lot as a child. I quit drinking milk when I was in 2nd grade and haven't tasted since. Then all of a sudden I could taste it. STRANGE!!!!! Anyway, it's just not taste but other diseases and feelings may come about too.

<>< Helen of Tennessee

[Sharon in Colorado]

Juice is a concentrated sugar and when I drink too much carrot juice, I feel like I've had several cups of strong coffee. I don't feel this way when I have orange juice or carrot juice mixed in with green juice. So, I'm thinking it may be the concetrated sugars and lack of fiber that is going through your body, and maybe causing your heart to palpitate.

[misslinda]

Hey Sharon,

Because I have a history of sugar level issues, I dont' juice entire fruits. I always mix greens with it. I only have one small carrot in a green mixture. The fruits I stick with if at all, is apple, melon, kiwi, tangerines, lemon and grapefruit. So the interesting thing is, I dont' think my juicing is causing the sugar elvels to act out (if that is the case) but rather my body's mechanical (physiological) workings are the problem--I juiced this morning and ahve yet to see my naturopath.


Waitin in the wings,
linda