Need some measured opinions on healing expectations

[jppearso]

Hi Y'All, I know that replies will be opinion, but I would appreciate those from anyone with knowledge in this area. My close friend is going raw after being diagnosed with Invasive Ductal Carsinoma, with a smallish 11mm lump. This is common breast cancer, and was described as 'small' and 'very' treatable. She is very calm about it, and is making the transition to strictly raw very quickly. She will see the surgeon next week, and he is in the business of dispensing radiation preceded by a 'lumpectomy'. My friend does not want the radiation, as least at this time. The question is this.... should she reasonably expect that the actual lump itself should respond and disappear over time, or would it be better to have the lump removed now (and pass on the radiation)?
For our purposes, assuming she is on a strict regimen involving several fresh vegetable juices daily, salads, a daily green smoothie, flaxseed oil, and other commonly recommended raw strategies. the question is really about whether there are a lot of cases of the lump actually disappearing, and how common is that.
Thanks in anticipation!!
-JP.

[michigan roman]

dont know about specific details this instance

can say imo :

- juice fasting

- lot of dark green juices

- lot of lemon to break up mucous / deposits in the tissues / organs

- if not checked look up gerson therapy , theres no doubt lot of vids youtube

[Living Food]

the question is really about whether there are a lot of cases of the lump actually disappearing, and how common is that.

If she alkalizes and detoxifies thoroughly, then the lump will either cease to grow or shrink until its gone. There are lots of cases like this...disease is, after all, a state of dis-ease. There is a reason that your friend has cancer, and once that reason is gone, the cancer will be too. I wrote a post with a lot of instruction for someone else who needed help with a friend's cancer, and I don't feel like typing it all again (you'll see why), so here it is:

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthrea...35631-Leukemia

There's some valuable information there, so read all of the posts. In short, yes - if she completely detoxes, fixes her nutritional deficiencies, eliminates harmful electromagnetic radiation (not strictly necessary but very beneficial, and necessary for optimal health) and stress, then the tumor will shrink and go away.

[DebB]

http://www.youtube.com/user/robertmorsend and I highly recommend his book, "The Detox Miracle Sourcebook".

Personally speaking - I would detox with the doctor above before I did "any"thing. He's a bio-chemist, naturopath, master herablist and a detox specialist with 40 years clinical experience under his belt. You can also join us on Facebook, "fans of Dr. Robert Morse N.D"

[jppearso]

Thank you all for your replies! Your posts have provided a lot to think about, and good material to work with. Just what I was hoping for. -JP.

[Arky]

Do you and your friend a favour and avail yourself of Sam Biser's 'Save Your Life' video/DVD course. I say Sam Biser but the content is actually Richard Schulze. You can pick it up cheap on VHS or you can get it new on DVD for a couple of hundred bucks, direct from Biser.Please trust me on this; your friend will greatly benefit from the information contained in this course. For someone in her condition, it is unquestionably worth the investment. I wish your friend a good recovery.

[Courtney89]

Hi, JP. How is your friend doing these days?? Is the lump shrinking?

Hi Y'All, I know that replies will be opinion, but I would appreciate those from anyone with knowledge in this area. My close friend is going raw after being diagnosed with Invasive Ductal Carsinoma, with a smallish 11mm lump. This is common breast cancer, and was described as 'small' and 'very' treatable. She is very calm about it, and is making the transition to strictly raw very quickly. She will see the surgeon next week, and he is in the business of dispensing radiation preceded by a 'lumpectomy'. My friend does not want the radiation, as least at this time. The question is this.... should she reasonably expect that the actual lump itself should respond and disappear over time, or would it be better to have the lump removed now (and pass on the radiation)?
For our purposes, assuming she is on a strict regimen involving several fresh vegetable juices daily, salads, a daily green smoothie, flaxseed oil, and other commonly recommended raw strategies. the question is really about whether there are a lot of cases of the lump actually disappearing, and how common is that.
Thanks in anticipation!!
-JP.

[robh]

I am not sure what happened to the poster. Hopefully the friend is OK.

I read some interesting information about shrinking lumps, tumors and other growths.

The body is capably of a process called "autolysis". In a nut shell, when the body has no choice but to consume itself, it does so in a very selective and very smart fashion. It selects tissues that are diseased or deemed useless and slowly consumes them when food is not available. This means tumors, lumps and cancers can be dealt with without surgery. (Further reading: http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201...020127.ch5.htm)

I personally think people that turn to juicing when they have cancer are leveraging autolysis without even knowing it.

Another important point, if you are using a raw food diet to heal your cancer, the growth may not shrink if you're not fasting. Furthermore, the longer that the growth stays in your body, the longer it takes to remove (see the above link for an explanation).

[Arky]

I am not sure what happened to the poster. Hopefully the friend is OK.

I read some interesting information about shrinking lumps, tumors and other growths.

The body is capably of a process called "autolysis". In a nut shell, when the body has no choice but to consume itself, it does so in a very selective and very smart fashion. It selects tissues that are diseased or deemed useless and slowly consumes them when food is not available. This means tumors, lumps and cancers can be dealt with without surgery. (Further reading: http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201...020127.ch5.htm)

I personally think people that turn to juicing when they have cancer are leveraging autolysis without even knowing it.

Another important point, if you are using a raw food diet to heal your cancer, the growth may not shrink if you're not fasting. Furthermore, the longer that the growth stays in your body, the longer it takes to remove (see the above link for an explanation).

The number one present-day person to learn more from about cancer, in specific relation to enzyme therapy, is Dr. Nick Gonzalez. He is the protege of the late Dr Kelley (famous for coffee enemas etc. in relation to cancer treatment). If you catch Gonzalez' lectures, either in person or on DVD, you'll be left reeling with the sheer depth and quality of information he 'downloads' to his audience, on this topic. Good stuff.

Here's one link, just to get the ball rolling:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...reatments.aspx


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[Living Food]

The body is capably of a process called "autolysis". In a nut shell, when the body has no choice but to consume itself, it does so in a very selective and very smart fashion. It selects tissues that are diseased or deemed useless and slowly consumes them when food is not available. This means tumors, lumps and cancers can be dealt with without surgery. (Further reading: http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201...020127.ch5.htm)

I personally think people that turn to juicing when they have cancer are leveraging autolysis without even knowing it.

That's one of the major reasons fasting is so healing. The other is because you're no longer expending such absurd amounts of energy on digestion.

Everyone needs some sort of fuel to live - if you don't put any in, the body starts to canna booze itself to meet your metabolic needs. Sounds scary, but it's actually very beneficial because our bodies are very smart - they automatically start by cannibalizing all of the unnecessary and harmful tissue you have, such as tumors for example.

Fasting also frees up massive amounts of energy to heal your internal organs, which is rather importent cause they won't be doing so well after years/decades of eating a horrible diet, drinking toxic water, breathing toxic air, etc. For someone who has already detoxified and cleansed their body thoroughly, fasting allows your body to start rejuvenating your internal organs and fix very old complaints you didn't even know we're fixable (for example, complications from old injuries). To someone who's already very "clean" inside, it also dramatically increases your spirituality and makes life blissful. Toxic people feel horrible while fasting, but fasting actually makes clean + healthy people feel amazing.

[Arky]

For anyone with an interest in this topic, in relation to cardiology, then Dr Joel Fuhrman is your man. He wrote a very sensible, no-nonsense, and accessible book on fasting and how the body breaks down its own deposits during an extended water fast. In fact, even if cardiology isn't your topic of interest, the book is well worth a read for its general coverage of fastings effects upon the body.

It's called Fasting and Eating for Health: A Medical Doctor's Program for Conquering Disease

'Eat to Live' is also a reasonable read.

[Dirkg]

W.r.t Dr.Furhman's book on fasting, I have read his other book and wanted to get this one, it a quick read in the library as well as reviews all point to the same thing - this kind of extended fasting has to be done under medical spervision and since normal doctors won't do this, neither do they have expertise, one must travel etc which is not feasible for many, also since one cannot continue to work during it.

[Dirkg]

I also want to add that the mental/spiritual effects of fasting are really quite important. The few times I have tried to fast (I should do it regularly) for even 1 day, it feels like an incredible weight has been lifted, not having to think about food, it requires some willpower but gives a sense of achievement, and I felt like had so much more time, which one would spend on meditation, learning more, and reducing stress in life.

This I feel is just as valuable as the nutritional aspects if not more so.

[streetsurfer]

Catabolize, not cannibalize.


I am fasting currently to better deal with a funeral and the loss of a loved one. Yes the spiritual and mental, and calming benefits are huge. It's actually good timing because it is really only fasting that has proven to help me recover quickly from accidental wheat ingestions, having celiac disease/gluten intolerance. I got three exposures near the end of last year and am still paying for it. A weeks fast or so will have me fixed up faster than the eight weeks of trying to eat only all the right foods it usually takes in order to quell the horrible digestive flare up it causes.

[SunshineMN]

Thanks for the book recommendation Arky. I read the first 25 pages or so of Fasting and Eating for Health and it's a wonderful book so far. I've only fasted a couple times for 4 days each. One time I was feeling really awful and wanted to avoid going to the hospital (I have been diagnosed with heart failure so I have problems with retaining too much fluids at times) and it helped tremendously. The other time I was actually in the hospital with severe pneumonia (though I was misdiagnosed with a pulmonary embolism) on a ventilator and it was either a nose tube for feeding or they threatened to surgically put a feeding tube in my abdomen. Bleh... doctors aren't all that smart are they?

I've read quite a bit about fasting on the internet but it's nice to have a solid book on the subject too. I am planning to do a much more extended fast sometime in the next few months. I think this book will help quite a bit.