somewhere on this thread there was something posted on limiting protein and improved health. Anyone heard of mTOR?
When protein levels are detected that exceed our basic maintenance requirements, the excess levels up-regulate the activity of the mTOR pathway, stimulating cellular proliferation and adverse (from a longevity standpoint) mitochondrial effects.*
The point then is that we shouldn't have more protein than a certain point:
"The average would lie somewhere between 45 and 60 g of actual protein per day for the majority of adults."*
There is a "paleo"-style book that advocates a diet with less animal products as most mainstream paleo approaches, this is where I first read about mTOR. Interesting stuff! Wonder if the China Study was showing a similar pattern- beyond a certain point, too much protein is carcinogenic and affects us negatively.
They seem to have taken down the link to the show but it was called Eat, Fast, Live Longer and the diet is called the 5 2 diet.
Originally Posted by robh
There is sufficient in the world for man's need, but not for his greed.
sport, thanks. Now I need to be at home to look at them - heh.
TangerineCat, thanks for the info. The italian fellow I mentioned before ate no more protien than an egg.
If you eat a SAD diet then it is really hard to not eat a high fructose corn syrup, high sodium and high sugar diet. When i switched to eating healthy, I use to check every food at the grocery store and almost 100% of everything processed in the food isles has high fructose corn syrup in it. Or instead of saying it then they just put "sugar". You don't really have a choice but to eat raw these days if you want to feel well and not get all the chemicals added to your body. Going raw has made me feel great! I grew up and never been fat, overweight or nothing. I would definitely rather go drink fresh carrot juice then take a multivitamin daily!
Originally Posted by SekhemNefer
I think it is simply a matter of what of you get used to. It is so easy to get used to larger portion sizes, then a few years later you're fat, wondering how it happened, and eating 'less' makes you hungry. Meanwhile, a huge part of the world's population goes hungry at night or just have enough to eat.
My grandfather used to say "Never eat till you are full". He was a very wise man.
My mom always tells me "eat until you're 80% full". Turns out this is a Japanese concept termed Hara Hachi Bu :) Wise indeed.
Originally Posted by Dirkg
Originally Posted by Dirkg
Originally Posted by TangerineCat
This is the first time I am hearing this. It does, indeed, sound like good advice.
I find it interesting that the Japanese observe this. They are attributed with being healthy people. Maybe this is why.
But how does one tell when one is 80% full? It's hard enough to tell when we are absolutely full sometimes!
If/when you eat slowly, as in not in front of the tv or while you're distracted with talk, reading, etc. and you chew thoroughly, you can easily know when you are satisfied. I don't know how to determine 80%. Sounds good in theory but... "satisfied" works better for me. Would 80% satisfy me? *shrugs* I don't know yet, if I'm not satisfied, I'm constantly thinking about food.
You are talking about fooling yourself into thinking you are fuller than you are by using time to trigger the full response. It's a kind of full but not always a real full.
Originally Posted by Revvell
I think the 80% full thing is based on the notion that it takes time to get the energy (sugar) from the food into your bloodstream. Therefore, if I continue to eat until I feel better (when my blood sugar return to normal), then I have over eaten. This is because I am being satisfied by the food eaten a while ago. Hence, the food I just ate (the food that hasn't had time to get into my blood steam) was not needed.
The assumption is that you are eating something that takes time to digest (grains, starches or proteins, for example). The sugar from fruit and more so water-based fruit enters your blood stream quickly.
Anyway, all things to consider.
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