i hypothosize our souls eternal and between body spans we travel to stars as light or energy without matter to recharge ourselves with star light like you recharge a battery . then with soul full recharged we make attempts to become a sperm in a males body that can then attatch onto a womens egg which is needed to start growth of a new body with . the soul providing the energy that makes a bodys heart and nervoous system twitch , that energy absorbed out of stars . and reason our bodies age is because our souls run out of star light charge , obviously diet n exercise factors too but souls charge by far most important factor . but if you believe in this hypothosis of mine quest becomes how to recharge the soul with star light while still maintaing a body on your self / soul . figure out how to recharge soul and you shall become able to make your body last forever
We don't try to become an egg? I don't think we try to do anything. Whatever happens, happens. There is no need for a body to last forever. Why are so many people fixated on immortality?
Originally Posted by michigan roman
I have kids and I cannot say that I want to live longer because of it.
Originally Posted by MysticTree
As far as this thread goes, living longer is a result of better health. Better health for me, means a better quality of life. That's what I am after.
I do not think that I could be considered 'old', but I can tell that the quality of life is degrading as I put more years on. Going raw has made my body feel like it's 10 years younger (and I don't even fast).
I didn't get a chance to read about the organ repair during fasting (I forget the wording). That seems to be a clue to me. If you continue to fast and your body continues to repair, you will be healthier because of it.
Maybe because my father died when I was in my early 20s I feel that if I had children I would want to maximise my time with them ... maybe it's just me.
Originally Posted by robh
I do not know if I posted this link before but I found this program very interesting as an alternative to Calorie Restriction. If he can do this on cooked food just imagine what we can do using the same principal on raw. Watching this may be the best spent hour in a long time.
There is sufficient in the world for man's need, but not for his greed.
sport, that link doesn't work.
I have trying to identify what triggers me to over eat.
The first, and most obvious, is this empty feeling I get in my stomach that I have called “hunger” for my entire life. Dealing with it is hard. It is uncomfortable. The only way that I’ve really been able to get past it is to drink some water and ignore it.
The second is a feeling of dissatisfaction. During this time, I am not hungry but I feel I must continue to eat a variety of different food until I’ve found what I’m looking for.
The third is just plain old gluttony. I will be content, full and satisfied but then, I think about something that I know tastes good. I find that I want it just to experience the taste.
In an ideal world, I would eat x, y and z and not have to think about food until the next time my body needed food. Knowing what to eat, how much to eat and knowing when to eat are all the major issues for me.
I really need to work on these triggers before I can successfully reduce my intake of food down to what I need.
Does anyone have any advice?
I think 2 & 3 are very closely linked. The first one is the least difficult for me. Allowing yourself to "eat that tomorrow" works quite well most of the time. Today, as I was fasting my way through work I caught sight of my pot of raw olives and tub of raw pistachios which I keep in my desk for "emergencies". I felt quite a pang and that was followed by monkey mind saying I'd fasted lots this week and those raw goodies were innocent and yummy. So I just told myself that those raw foods would still be there in my desk tomorrow when my fast is over. It sounds very simple but for the most part it works for me. When it doesn't work then I do find I don't go too overboard like I might otherwise.
Originally Posted by robh
I have to say that I doubt living on Sprouts is a healthy diet that leads to longevity. I've studied Nutrition (even though I ignored what I learned by incorporating healthy concepts in my life since then) and I have studied Biological Anthropology. Except for the radical PETA type vegan who claimed to be the vegan guru, or the Raw Foodist guru, the medical and science community overall will state there has been on no historical or present documentation on the health and longevity of someone living a 100% vegan lifestyle. We know that vegetarians and vegans existed in centuries past, but overall they were the minority of a fringe subculture, like people today, who ate this way due to moral and/or spiritual reasons that the majority of society did not practice overall. Again, just like society presently.
Raw Foodism is a Post-Industrialization "health nut trend" as a health response after poor nutrition and health after the Western World adopted canning (high sodium and high sugar foods for preservation) after World War 2. Also, due to technology, we became interested in making artificial flavored, chemical, process foods in order to produce in a mass manufactory fashion for quick consumption. Therefore, the Raw Food community has only existed less than 50 years, give or take a few decades.
Many vegetarians, vegans and raw foodists that exist in this world, have most likely have not been vegetarian, vegan, or raw foodist for more than 5 years. The number gets smaller if you are looking for vegans, vegetarians and raw foodists for over 10 years. Almost non-existent are vegans or raw foodist who have eaten this lifestyle over 25 to 50 years of their life. There is probably a little bit larger percentage with vegetarians, since consuming diary and eggs is not considered a challenging, strict diet. Knowing this fact, there is non-existent medical or scientific study on the health and so-called longevity a vegan, or raw foodist person who have choosen this lifestyle on the long-term. Most studies are in theory, not in reality. Saying this, there is no way in hell to know on the health of a more stricter diet of Fruitarianism or Sproutism on a person on the long-term.
Yes, there are very sick people (who got sick from consuming high-processed, chemical loaded, high sodium and high sugar/corn syrup diet) who got well from eating raw foods. Plus obese persons lose lots of weight from getting rid of their SAD diet, which make sense if you just eat whole foods, whether cooked or some animal. But people eat so poorly where fake food is the norm and real food is abnormal that Raw Foods seems like this awesome, miracle solution, when in actuality it is nothing special at all. We just have been eating junk for so long that we lost common sense of wanting to choose healthy foods.
I have witnessed lots of people on Youtube, who are popular raw food gurus, who have had raw food channels for years, then out of the blew they make this video of having to announce that they will be closing their channels, because they are no longer raw foodists due to health reasons, or they claim that their bodies appetite felt better when they added said cooked foods and/or animal in their diet.
And then, there have been rumors that many of these famous, celebrity raw food gurus on Youtube, or book writers are not really raw foodist at all. But they are lying in order to make money in the raw food market in order to get a following in whole food industry, diet industry and health industry game. For instance, The Raw Brahs on Youtube who claim to be 100% Raw Foodist, but many people claim that they saw one of the brothers eat a hamburger in the background. I guess, someone wasn't paying attention with the camera and accidently videotaped him, plus they did not watch the footage while eating. I don't know, I am even hearing that David Wolfe may not be 100% Raw Foodist, nor the products he sales, along with a whole hell a lot of people who are considered Raw Food "celebrities" of sorts.
That aside, if anyone claims to have done medical studies on Raw Foodism and its sub-forms (frutarian, sproutariansim, etc), I am highly skeptical and I would think they are talking out of their ass. All we know right now is that Raw Foodism and its sub-forms is healthy in the short-term of perhaps 10 years or less. When you start to talking about long-term and longevity...you just have absolutely no authority of knowledge on that matter. Find of a study of a Raw Foodist, Fruitarian or Sproutarian of 25 years plus, or 50 years plus where they have gotten extensive medical tests. You would be hard pressed.
Therefore, I would high caution you not to be overly strict with your raw foodism, which will prevent you from obtaining nutrients needed for your body in the long term. I would not suggest Fruitarianism Only, or Sproutism Only for long-term food consumption. That diet may work well for the lemurs, fruit bats, gerbils and squirrels, but not for the human body.
July Raw Challenge:
SW: 247 lbs.
GW: 160 lbs.
Summer Fitness goals: Running, and Yoga.
Summer Nutrition goals: Smoothies and juicing
"Save it for tomorrow." I like that one.
One of my other issues is knowing stuff is going to go bad. Right now, I have stuff in the fridge for juicing. Frequently, I will be fasting on the days when my avocados are ready to go (you know, the day before they go bad). The thought occurs to me If I don't consume the food, it will "go to waste". I always try to tell myself (as off color as this might be) that all food "goes to waste" if I eat it or not.
I agree that getting over the first one is easy. It's the most uncomfortable, but if you can power through the sensation, it goes away and you are more comfortable later.
The second and third are easier if you are fasting. For some reason consuming food seems to be a cycle. You eat something because you "think" that you are hungry. Then, a little while later, you think you are hungry again (even, though you just ate something). Once you "break the seal", 2 & 3 start to kill you. I notice it's especially hard to stop eating in the evenings.
One idea I had was to break my fast before bed. The advantage is that there are fewer hours of temptation. The disadvantage is loading your belly up with fiber and queuing digestion just before bed. I find an empty stomach before bed is best - hence, the conflict. For this reason, I was considering breaking the fast before bed with easy to digest juices. Even still, this does not sound ideal.
Another approach to the topic may be to look at it from another angle. Maybe it's not the food that causes the cycle, but the contents in the food. We know that food high in sugar causes blood sugar spikes. The drop from the spike is that is probably causing most of the "cycling". Therefore, if I had wheat grass juice in the morning, I doubt that it would cause a cycle of eating all day. Maybe nutrient-dense foods that have little or no impact on blood sugar would be a good choice. (Funny, sprouts come to mind - hah!)
Anyway, the problem is still circling in my mind. I am sure through experimentation and continued development, I'll find the answer to eating less and not suffering because of it.
You can use avocados as a base for ice-cream I think. That would stop them going off!
Originally Posted by robh
What time do you go to bed? One way to avoid late night temptation in the food department is to go to bed earlier. We almost always are in bed by 7pm! We read and I surf the net on my phone and listen to the radio. You have children so such nights may not be possible I suppose.
Good idea on the avocado ice cream. I am asleep by in bed by 9:30-10pm. I'd like to eat around 5-5:30 and eat nothing else so that my stomach is pretty much empty before bed, but it just never happens.
I'll keep working on this. I'm sure it's just a matter of training and, mostly, self control.
My cut off time is 6pm. I simply don't eat after that until about 7am the following day. I still drink water but no juices or food etc. I have found this most helpful. By 8pm I am just not hungry or even monkey-mind-hungry. I consider it a daily "fast". It has become part of the way I live. This is very recent - since October 1st this year.
Originally Posted by robh
This makes longer fasts easier to slip into and it makes eating sensibly easier too.
I notice there is an overall theme of eating less on this and other boards. And i don't mean not overeating, but wanting to live on juices, sprouts, and so on. I remember several years ago I also had such thoughts- how great it would be to live on sunlight one day.
I think, however, that my need to live on very little came from having issues with dieting before. I actually found more peace in eating a variety of things (=not high raw)- made smaller portion sizes easier to achieve. I feel that when I am in 100% mode or good/bad food mode, I tend to think about food too much and end up overeating :/
I definitely don't want to live on sprouts! I love them but the thought of having just sprouts forever does nothing for me. I find that raw does raw, eating does eating. It's good not to over-think it all :)