An important reason why we need to sprout wild seeds - the future of raw is doomed

[Living Food]

You say I'm negative when I say the earth would be better off without mankind and yet so many of your posts are such paranoid doom and gloom. Sheesh!

I believe that I explained this all in one of my earlier posts on this forum. It's not doom and gloom unless people give up and become hopeless. In order to become empowered and resist all of this you need to know what is going on.

[Living Food]

l would like to read it for sure.

I have all the information now, I just need to put it all in order and that's going to be a major pain.

[Living Food]

l would like to read it for sure.

Much of it will be based on the medical system, but there will also be some good stuff too. I've noticed on this form that some people still believe that vaccines are good things and other silly beliefs inspired by propaganda, so I'll give a lot of information on how vaccinations lead to disease, for example.

[lafsalot]

Living Food - the first place to gather your information about vaccines is right here on this forum. If you use the search engine, you'll see numerous reports about the adverse effects and helpful links, including one to sites that help people opt out of mandatory inoculations.

Admire everyone's passions here, but remember, other people have free will and often think and act in ways that are often unlike our own. Truth is (and you can choose to see this as a bitter pill or an enlightening revelation), there is no universally accepted concept of fairness or justice. One can protest that this is not the case, and insist that their own personal belief/moral system is universal, but it just ain't so!

Peace

Here's a helpful link:http://www.nvic.org/

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Much of it will be based on the medical system, but there will also be some good stuff too. I've noticed on this form that some people still believe that vaccines are good things and other silly beliefs inspired by propaganda, so I'll give a lot of information on how vaccinations lead to disease, for example.

My sproutarian friend always sends me amazing links on the dangers of Vaccines. Dr Blaylock also talks about it and mentions studies.

One of the world's most prestigious and respected `peer reviewed' medical journals (JAMA) also had a medical doctor prove that going to medical professionals was the third leading cause of death in the USA [behind cancer and cariovascular diseases].

Then there are links where top executives (retired) for massive drug companies have admitted that their drugs are largely useless and dangerous and that there research is faulsified and inadequate; the reps also admit bribing governments and saying that medical doctors know hardly anything exept for what they are told by the drug companies. The medical schools are largely funded by drug companies also, that's why they know nothing about health, but lots about giving people toxic drugs. lf the MD's really were good doctors, they would read the medical journals and would know that aspirin is dangerous, but hardly any of them read the journals so they know no better...they just rely on readers digest lol and the lies told to them by drug reps. The medical system is totally INSANE!!!

[Living Food]

Living Food - the first place to gather your information about vaccines is right here on this forum. If you use the search engine, you'll see numerous reports about the adverse effects and helpful links, including one to sites that help people opt out of mandatory inoculations.

Thanks, but I've accumulated plenty over the months. There's no way that I can do a comprehensive timeline anyway (far far too much to put on there), so I'll just stick with what I've laready got. I've also decided to omit links and let people just search for the info on their own if they want to know more. It takes too much time to always be showing people where you got your info and the like. Frankly it's been so long that I don't even have the sources for some of this info anymore, but it's all out there if anyone wants to search.

If other people want to also post evidence of that sort on this thread then that would be good. No matter how long
I end up staying on this board and posting about this sort of stuff I'll never be able to talk about everything I know because there's just too much information out there. I'm only going to post a tiny fraction of it.

Admire everyone's passions here, but remember, other people have free will and often think and act in ways that are often unlike our own. Truth is (and you can choose to see this as a bitter pill or an enlightening revelation), there is no universally accepted concept of fairness or justice. One can protest that this is not the case, and insist that their own personal belief/moral system is universal, but it just ain't so!

Peace

I agree. I just present the information so that those who are willing to look into it with an open mind can.

Then there are links where top executives (retired) for massive drug companies have admitted that their drugs are largely useless and dangerous and that there research is faulsified and inadequate; the reps also admit bribing governments and saying that medical doctors know hardly anything exept for what they are told by the drug companies. The medical schools are largely funded by drug companies also, that's why they know nothing about health, but lots about giving people toxic drugs. lf the MD's really were good doctors, they would read the medical journals and would know that aspirin is dangerous, but hardly any of them read the journals so they know no better...they just rely on readers digest lol and the lies told to them by drug reps. The medical system is totally INSANE!!!

Yes. The healthcare industry is really just a huge monopoly for pharmaceutical companies. Did you know that the AMA was formed because conventional medical doctors (there were far fewer back then) were losing loads of money to chiropractors and other alternative healthcare practitioners, so a group of them formed the AMA and immediately started a smear campaign to put the real doctors out of business? It's amazing what can be forgotten given a few decades.

[MysticTree]

I believe that I explained this all in one of my earlier posts on this forum. It's not doom and gloom unless people give up and become hopeless. In order to become empowered and resist all of this you need to know what is going on.

Not really. Ignorance is bliss and all that. I have side-stepped a lot of conventional living. Not because I feel it will necessarily change anything but because I feel it is right for me and the environment; there is still room for improvement. Just live in the present wherever possible.

[lafsalot]

Not really. Ignorance is bliss and all that. I have side-stepped a lot of conventional living. Not because I feel it will necessarily change anything but because I feel it is right for me and the environment; there is still room for improvement. Just live in the present wherever possible.

Sometimes the only way to prepare for the worst is to create the best in the moment - works for me!

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

The certified organic situation gets even worse than the worst nightmare...much MUCH worse! Here is the nightmare:

Certified organic packaged food has been proven to kill you in countless ways
You will find that many certified organic packaged foods are doing massive harm because many of them like soy milk, almond milk or chips contain MSG. Now...it may say `MSG free' on the package, but don't be fooled because that is only a loophole...much of the packaged food still contains MSG! The way the companies get around it is by disguising the MSG name by calling it something else like:
• Hydrolyzed vegetable protein,
• Vegetable protein,
• Textured protein
• Protein extract
• Whey protein extract
• Enzymes
• Yeast extract
• Spices
• Natural flavouring
• Broth
• Stock
• Carrageenan

other MSG names in this link:
http://rense.com/general92/hidename.html

The only time the companies must report MSG in their food is if it contains 99%+ MSG. So if food only contains 98% MSG they can call it a different name by law. Hmmm, l wonder who makes these laws? Could the chemical companies be paying governments to make these laws?

Now for the real scary stuff about MSG with significant science to prove it:
* it damages the immune system for the lifetime of a person (nothing can repair the damage done to the parts effected), so it makes them more prone to cancer and other immune diseases.
* MSG is a powerful free radical generator.
* MSG also impairs glucose entry into the brain (the brain is almost entirely dependent on glucose), so the brain can’t run properly because it doesn’t get the feul. When the brain is starved of the fuel it needs it becomes 100 times more prone to the effects of MSG. WOW!!!
* MSG will permanently damage the brain connections.
* MSG also causes massive hormone problems, so infertility is highly possible. Even if a baby's mother ate MSG , their child can have trouble having babies when they grow up.
* MSG can also bring on puberty early. (And according to the China study, early puberty is a big factor in developing breast cancer)
* MSG can also cause lack of growth hormone, so people can be short.
* Unborn babies are four times more sensitive to MSG
* MSG can also cause diabetes and cardiovascular damage
* MSG's effects aren't often noticed straight away, it is the effects 40 years later that really do the damage, like heart attacks at 40 or severe mental problems
* MSG can make people have severe learning problems so they find it hard to learn things
*


MSG effects on animals
* If you give MSG to animals it will suppress the immune system for life.
• Very very Small organ weights
• Obesity and difficult to control…even exercise won’t help lose the weight in most cases because it alters part of the brain which helps stop obesity.
• Abnormal reproductive ability (small litters and infertility)
• Unprovoked rage and aggression and anti social behavior.
• Impaired cardivascular responsiveness (eg, when you run your heart speeds up too much)
• High cholesterol, VLDL, and tryglycarides…so increased chance of heart attack or stroke
* MSG will supress an animals immune system for the rest of their life

All these effects are reproduce-able in all animal species ever tested. You will find that these problems are quite likely to occur in humans also.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

So what is the motivation for adding MSG? And why have fertility rates dramatically decreased? And why are they still adding MSG to food and trying to silence people who speak out? Maybe they want a population decrease, and maybe they want the rest of us so stupid that we follow orders better.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Yes. The healthcare industry is really just a huge monopoly for pharmaceutical companies. Did you know that the AMA was formed because conventional medical doctors (there were far fewer back then) were losing loads of money to chiropractors and other alternative healthcare practitioners, so a group of them formed the AMA and immediately started a smear campaign to put the real doctors out of business? It's amazing what can be forgotten given a few decades.

+ BIG pharma makes most nutritional supplements (92% l think). All synthetic of course, with about 62% containing either petro chemicals, coal tar or terpentine. But if they contain 1% carbon they can be called organic. Crazy.

Even two highly prestigious double blind studies with well over 100,000 people have shown that big pharma nutritional supplements cause more disease in around 67% of studied subjects than groups who received placebo supplements (no nutrition supplement). + Drug company vitamin A caused lung cancer patients to develop more cancer than patients that never took their vitamin A. l could go on and on and on about this stuff, it's crazy!

[Living Food]

Not really. Ignorance is bliss and all that.

No, being a sproutarian is bliss. SAD eaters are ignorant, and they end up destroying their bodies so much that they get old and weak decades before they should, the majority suffer from one of more chronic diseases, a good deal of which are debilitating, they get sick (sproutarians never do), the list goes on and on. Very blissful, right? With that sort of bliss ot look forward to, maybe I'll go back to eating cooked and processed foods and drinking fluoridated water (I'll actually go out of my way to find fluoridated water to drink, no clean water for me, oh no, I want the highest level of bliss possible) so I can be nice and ignorant and happy. *wink*

Would you rather be ignorant of how bad SAD food is and still be eating it, Mystic? Would you be feeling the bliss a few years down the road when all sorts of chronic diseases started rearing their ugly heads?

Hmmm, l wonder who makes these laws? Could the chemical companies be paying governments to make these laws?

Nah, you're just a crazy conspiracy theorist. Go see a psychiatrist so he can dope you up on drugs and make everything all better.



The list of damage caused by GM foods and aspartame is as nasty as that of MSG.

+ BIG pharma makes most nutritional supplements (92% l think). All synthetic of course, with about 62% containing either petro chemicals, coal tar or terpentine. But if they contain 1% carbon they can be called organic. Crazy.

Even two highly prestigious double blind studies with well over 100,000 people have shown that big pharma nutritional supplements cause more disease in around 67% of studied subjects than groups who received placebo supplements (no nutrition supplement). + Drug company vitamin A caused lung cancer patients to develop more cancer than patients that never took their vitamin A. l could go on and on and on about this stuff, it's crazy!

Of course. It's a brilliant plan - some people start to wake up and realize a tiny bit of what's going on, maybe that processed foods aren't all that great for you and they're not getting enough nutrients, and they started looking for options. A few enterprising companies produce good-quality supplements extracted from actual foods (which are still far inferior to sprouts), but Big Pharma caught on, bought most of them out, and produces crappy supplements that actually make your health worse. Another new front opened up to separate us consumers and our money. And by producing health-damaging supplements they also set us up to get disease later on and they get even more money that way. The price of certain drugs is absurd, the whole scheme is to get people to pay thousands of dollars on drugs that won't even keep them alive, but that end up milking the person and usually their whole family for all the money they have. As long as we're poor we're easy to control, as long as we're sick we're easy to control, and as long as our mental faculties aren't working very well we're easy to control. Three strikes...we're out.

I wonder if Big Pharma doesn't leak some information about supplements being good for your health so that we end up buying them and thinking that we're making a good choice? It wouldn't surprise me.

[Living Food]

Sometimes the only way to prepare for the worst is to create the best in the moment - works for me!

Ah, but after you know what's going on, then you can create the best in the moment. Are you happy, positive and smiling 24/7? I am. I've got this huge grin on my face as I type about all of this "doom and gloom" as Mystic put it.

Why? Do I like what's going on? No, but because I know of all the ways that my health could get undermined, I can avoid them. If your health is good enough, you'll never get unhappy or down no matter what happens. If it hadn't been for all of the information I learned about health, the "health care" (better called "sick care") industry, etc then I never would have become a sproutarian. And I would have missed out on soooo much more then you can probably imagine.

As an SAD eater I was down and unhappy much of the time, and I didn't know why. Eventually I learned more about health and went raw. I felt better. Then I went sproutarian, and everything about my life improved dramatically, and now I'm always feeling great, in a great mood, and my energy and vibration is so much higher that I can "create the best" so easily. Had I just been focused on "creating the best" on SAD (and I did try that, but it was so hard because my health was very bad and I would end up with periods of depression and super low energy no matter what) then I would be much much less effective at it then I am now.

Very Very interesting "coincidences" happen when you're a sproutarian, things that have one chance in a million of happening to the average person are almost a daily occurrence.

[Living Food]

We are supposed to be swamped with violence everywhere now and young folks are bashing everyone senseless [according to the news],

lol. So true (that the media portrays things as they aren't and is used to promote fear).

but all that is, is a trick to get the public into accepting cameras on every street corner thinking they are for our saftey.

They're already here in most places in the US. I smile and wave :)

[MysticTree]

You seem to have swapped one lot of fear for another. I don't see how that is good. Fear is destructive.