An important reason why we need to sprout wild seeds - the future of raw is doomed

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

You may think that is an extreme title, but nothing could be further from the truth, and i've been meaning to post this for 12 months. This thread is so important that l got out of bed to make this. In 2009 there was a bill put to U.S parliament called the Farm Bill S510 Food Safety Modernization Act. This act would effectively give the U.S government the power to outlaw all small farms and growing fruit and vegetable gardens in all backyards without a special licence. The real purpose of the bill was give complete power to Monsanto by only allowing large farms to be the only farms allowed to exist. The reason for this is so the large farms are forced to buy GM seeds from [mainly] Monsanto and about four or five other major GM seed businesses. Well, the bill failed this time, but rest assured, IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN SOON!!! Monsanto will bribe some of the heads of the U.S government to introduce the bill and have it passed by giving Congress only half a day to vote on a 1,000+ page bill, but naturally the senators won't have the time to read it so the top politicians will lie to them about what's in the bill and say it's for the good of mankind, so they will vote it in. But next time when they introduce the bill they will be smarter about it...they will introduce it at Christmas time when most people are on holidays (parliament always does that when they want a bill against the publics interest introduced) and they will pass it without no public knowledge.

If you don't believe me, listen to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gx5CjUD3-E

And if you don't believe that, here is the 1,000+ page bill. Pay close attention to section 3 which is the definitions portion of the bill. Also read section 103, 206 and 207s completely.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h875/text

Here is a short blog which explains the bill:
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=12671

That's why l have now started looking to nature for my food, because the time is soon coming where all our fruit, vegies and sprouts will be GM, and that is when planes fly over and scan the farms and backyards for any gardens so the authorities can destroy them. The algaes will also be a thing of the past if Codex is implemented globally.



And when it happens in the U.S, it will happen all over the world because Monsanto wants to sell GM seed to all the world.

Just an quick note on organic foods i've been meaning to post for ages:
“"Organic" food is no longer safe. The FDA and USDA have colluded in approving the neurotoxin 'Neotame' which may be even more toxic than aspartame. No labeling will be required, nor will it be listed in the ingredients. It will be used in USDA certified "organic" processed food and cattle feed. [The only hope of escape is to raise our own food or buy from local growers who do not use such chemicals – which is why Congress recently passed legislation that eventually will put small-scale organic growers out of business.] FarmWars 2010 Dec 31”
http://www.realityzone.com/saveandprint.html

This is only the start of watering down of organic, so now the time has come to start sprouting wild weed seeds...that's the only way we will be able to consume healthy food in the future.

[MysticTree]

I think the sooner mankind is wiped out the better. Maybe we should embracing the bad food to speed that future along. Mankind is the least positive thing to walk the earth. God speed the rook.

[Living Food]

I think the sooner mankind is wiped out the better. Maybe we should embracing the bad food to speed that future along. Mankind is the least positive thing to walk the earth.

That's a very negative view. Yes, as a race we have done terrible things, and continue to do so, but all we have to do is all focus on self-improvement and eventually every human will be an amazing being.

If we all eat bad food we will just become worse and worse, if everyone ate sprouts and juiced lots of sprouts we wouldn't have this problem, but everyone has to learn on their own.

It's because of things like bad food and many dozens of other negative influences which I won't list right now that the majority of mankind is in such a low state spiritually that we do these horrible things.

[delmar]

I think the sooner mankind is wiped out the better. Maybe we should embracing the bad food to speed that future along. Mankind is the least positive thing to walk the earth. God speed the rook.

I love people! Some of my best friends are human!

[MysticTree]

I love people! Some of my best friends are human!

all of my best friends are animals

[delmar]

Come now. You know you think I'm pretty cool

[Living Food]

Living food, I don't watch television.

That comment wasn't directed at you but at everyone reading this thread in general. I know it can be confusing since I quoted you, but generally I speak to everyone in general unless I talk to someone by name, or quote something and then ask a question about it.

Some of my best friends are human!

Come now. You know you think I'm pretty cool

Lol, you made me laugh there.

There is no U.S parliament.

I'm sure he meant Congress.

seed saving is very sensible

Even if I knew there would always be abundant food I would still collect adn sprout wildseeds, they're generally much more nutritious then conventional crops anyway.

I see wars over oil. War over money. Alternative news sources don't change this greed among the rich and powerful. We can only do the right thing because it is the right thing not because it will change the way greedy people behave.

But if everyone who wasn't one of those greedy few did the right thing, there wouldn't be a greedy few. "United we stand, divided we fall".

Again, everything that is happening is happening for a reason, even if we don't like it. If there wasn't adversity in the world it would be hard to improve ourselves, nor would we have anything to strive for or motivate us; if there wasn't suffering we wouldn't feel compassion, or be motivated to help others, etc etc. It can be hard to understand why suffering is necessary if you think that all we get is one short life on Earth, when in reality Earthly suffering is just a tiny nanosecond in the span of our true lives. But just ignore that I said that, Mystic, and focus on the other stuff I said in this paragraph.

As for not being able to change the way greedy people behave - "Never doubt that a small group of dedicated people cannot change the world - in fact, it's the only thing that ever has".

The price of food is set to rise. The price of simple things like straw bedding for my hens is going to rise. I don't need media to tell me these things. I just see crops rotting in the fields or only half harvested. Straw lying wet in the fields because we had the wettest summer.

Read above.

Even though you probably don't agree, the Earth is like a school, and we're the pupils. Yes, sometimes the students do naughty things or maybe vandalize some school property, but if they didn't exist then there would be no reason to have a school. And we come out more knowledgable and better people* for having experienced adversity and suffering, greed and violence, etc. We can each overcome ANY obstacle put in our path, if you put your mind to it there is LITERALLY nothing oyu can do - all of these things we have to overcome are just there to teach us this fact. You'd never no what you can do unless you were forced to do it. You can't see the power of a river if it's allowed to flow unblocked, but put an obstacle in the way (a dam) and you will see the massive power that the river has.

* the point where the school analogy breaks down, the public school system these days mostly teaches falsehoods and lies (not that the teachers know that, as always only a few are responsible and all of the rest are unwitting dupes), orients your brain to be more dependent on others and makes you more obedient, and emphasizes the left-brain almost exclusively over the right brain, and there are many more flaws too. But don't focus on that, focus on what I said above.

Raw Angel Mom: I agree completely.

[Charybdisjim]

Us dying off really wouldn't be positive for the Earth, but I can only explain that by talking about lots of spiritual stuff

Then perhaps I can help. Humanity represents the only current possible means by which any life on Earth may persist beyond otherwise inevitable extinction and the likelihood of another such means coming along should we self-destruct seems to be less than certain at best. That is to say that as yet we are the only form of life that has evolved which may, should we live up to our potential, act as seeds to carry (or send) at least some of the life that has evolved on Earth to other planets and stars. Unless that happens then all or nearly all life on Earth that ever was or will be is doomed to eventually and inevitably die as the Sun will eventually cease to be a benign life-giving source of light and heat as it becomes something far more hostile and far less giving.

So in that sense humanity does have the potential to be of great and crucial benefit to earthly life in general. That is of course presuming we do not squander our potential and ruin things instead. Humanity going extinct before we can live up to this potential though is merely one more way in which it might be squandered.

[Non]

Sometimes I feel like we just need better crops available to us. I feel like the raw food diet is the highest diet. When we start getting into sprouting though you soon start to realize just how mediocre even regular raw food crops are. The mature greens with all their oxalates and goitrogens and maybe even the imbalance of minerals.
The starchy veggies and a lot of them are not even palatable. Low in vitamins and minerals. No wonder there are many omnivorous people that think let alone a vegan diet is self sustainable.

Well I say it's just a matter of perspective. If the society gave more credit to veggies then more variety would be available, better variety. Not just wheat corn and soy. And potatoes. Lol.


But yea.. and I find that even as a sprouter because of prices one is limited to the humble seeds we can afford like sesame, sunflower, peas, even alfalfa is pretty damn expensive. Then you have the lentils and the mung beans which.. are ok just not really concentrated in nutrients. Oh yea and fenugreek.

But what then, after that, all the other green sprouts are pretty darn expensive. And this is supposed to be the cheapest natural diet one can afford. And the government just wants to make it harder and harder for us to grow our own food. Look at that, if you don't have a house you can't grow, not even if you do on your own front lawn.

Most people had their own gardens or lived amongst farmers. Everything is designed so we can't grow our own foods and live self sustainably.

[Living Food]

fully believe it is a NWO thing, so of course they have the money to do it...not the governments, but the people who have been robbing the governments blind for the last 100 years..the Rothchilds and the other plutocratic players. The trillionaire plutocrats own half the world's wealth because they are automatically owed 40% of any government money due to the gold standard being dropped, that's why governments and economies are going broke. They have so much money that they can never spend it. Why they want this money is to bankrupt governments so then they are totally dependant on plutocrats for money. This is pure power!!! When you have complete power you can do whatever you want against mankind. The thing is, these plutocrats want most of us dead because we have populated too much.

Anyway, HAARP technology will take care of all the backyard gardens. Whenever l speak out about this stuff l usually have most of my sprouts die the next day. At one time when l spoke out for weeks l had many trees suddenly die. Was it HAARP? They can apparently zap anything within a meter accuracy. Sounds crazy maybe, but apparently our technology is far more advanced than we are made to believe.

As crazy as it sounds, it is all 100% true.

They will probably introduce `Martial Law' so it is perfectly legal. But even better, they will convince the public it is in their best interests to give up home farming and they will get their neighbours to dob in any people who don't comply. Make people dependant on large GM farms and fill their bodies with chemicals so they can't think and mind control them, and very soon people will comply...it's working as we speak.

But...this is way down the track before they can pull this off. What they are going for is a cashless society, and with a cashless society comes our dependance on technology. So if people protest, all the authorities have to do is switch off your electronic money so you can't buy anything, and they will keep it switched off until you comply and don't protest. Notice how mobile phones are being used as banking and tracking systems now?...this is no accident, this is the very start of a cashless society where people are tracked. They say it's convenience, but that is how they con people into using the technology. Very soon i-technology prices will drop to almost nothing, and that's when everyone will use the technology, and that's when we stop being free. lt is sooo easy to control people and most people are not even 1% aware of the problem.

The biggest problem they have is the public being armed, but they will soon make it illegal to own guns without a special licence and conditions so you can't fight back. There are so many things that can be done and are being thought about, if l told you some thing you would think i'm crazy.

Also very true, like Mr Raw says it is happening even right now. Don't think people can be fooled like that? Think of all of the freedoms that they have all ready given up. Think of what we've already allowed. Fluoridated and chlorinated tap water. Toxic mostly useless vaccines. The mainstream medical establishment that keeps you sick. Mercury fillings. The list goes on and on. Oh, but fluoridation will save your teeth. And vaccines will save your children's lives. And pharmaceuticals are the best thing to happen to mankind. *rolls eyes* All they have to do is say something and 95% of the people will automatically agree, or else come to agree in time. Never mind the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, and the fact that their "evidence" comes form lies and faked studies. They don't even have to tell you not to look into this stuff. Most people are so dumbed down from all of the toxic chemicals in their bodies that they don't see anything wrong with a "healthcare" industry that just makes you sicker. And the people themselves will keep each other in line. Even if you just start talking to someone about how horrible vaccines are they will probably see you as crazy.

I would love to talk about this in loads of detail, but I have to respect the decisions of the moderators.

BUT...maybe in the next few days I will post a little "timeline" of certain government activities that may open people's minds. And it won't even include the more fantastic stuff that people wouldn't believe anyway.

[walnutty]

all of my best friends are animals

Mine too!

[MysticTree]

Mine too!

You know where you are with an animal ...

[MysticTree]

Wild garlic isn't the same as garlic as people see it from shops/markets. Google ramsons for a picture ... unless you know this already, so many think there are cloves like the garlic they are used to.

[Living Food]

I do already know that. I find it funny how many people seem to be so divorced from actual food (because it comes wrapped up all neatly at the supermarket), I read a true story in a book a long time ago where a person pulled a carrot out of the ground, prompting a nearby kid to say "eeewww, that touched dirt!". The gardener explained that carrots are root vegetables, then asked the kid "Can you think of any other root vegetables?". After thinking for a while, he replied with "Spaghetti?" LOL.

[Non]

I think the sooner mankind is wiped out the better. Maybe we should embracing the bad food to speed that future along. Mankind is the least positive thing to walk the earth. God speed the rook.

LOL. Actually.. we might get wiped out if the whole 2012 talk is true. Sometimes I look at the world and I don't see any hope.