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hey i've noticed that soaking shelled hemp seeds and leaving them out to sit and much of them start sprouting in less than 2 hrs of sitting tails that are a couple mm long. That's fast!
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 Originally Posted by Non
Maybe if you dug up holes and had "underground cellars"... or in a cave?
I was actually just talking about planting seeds in the garden 8 months a year, though I do have an unfinished basement that I am planning on turning in to a winter garden. Great for sprouts, but again for grasses and micro greens I am going to need light. I don't know that I will ever get ambitious enough to rent a backhoe and do what you suggested but I do have mental plans for digging a trench and covering it with pole building skylight panels to create an underground greenhouse.
Now I am going to have to google underground greenhouse and see what comes up.
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 Originally Posted by Non
First off let's say a single seed contains 10g of carbs, when it sprouts will that entire sprout still contain 10g of carbs or will it go down?
That's a really good question, and this is where things can start to get very complicated if we get too detailed. Various carbs increase and decrease during the sprouting process, it depends on the type of seed and how long the seed has been sprouting for. But basically, the carbs as a whole will go down because various carbs convert to amino acids and other nutrients to grow the plant. Some carbs increase 60 times, others go way down. But overall, pre-digested proteins go up and the carbs go down, and even fatty acids can go up but also down during certain periods of sprouting and then re-appear.
Also.. that same seed now sprouted will take up more space so it limits how much space left you have for more food.
That's not important, we can't just limit our understanding of plants saying the more concentrated something is the more we get fed. No, it's not like that. The food is less concentrated as a sprout because it contains more fiber and water and is more bulky as a result, but it is still much more concentrated as a dehydrated food (so we know that sprouting baby plants is a highly nutritious practise that is unbeaten by anything else). Anyway...the key is that this less concentrated sprout has nutrients that are much more bio-available to the body, so the amino acids are more usable, the pre-digested carbs are more usable, the fatty acids are more usable, the vitamins and minerals are more usable etc, so lots of calories aren't needed because it is very close to being instant fuel that is high in electric frequency. See...there is so much in it, but most raw food gurus and chemists and scientists try to simplify it with antiquated theories and think that bulky non centrated foods means malnutrition because on the surface it looks like vitamin, minerals and protein decrease the longer a seed sprouts...but this is not the case at all, it is completely the opposite, this is where sprouting is mainly misunderstood...it's kinda like a paradox. lt's very hard to explain and l still feel l haven't done a good job in explaining it, but l will explain it better soon, because l need to write about this in my website in good detail and make it simple to understand so sprouting no longer gets the bad rap as un-nutritious food.
do you measure the same amount of carbs in the dry seeds the same as the equivalent amount in sprouted form?
No, all the various carbs change form and then science gives them a different name.
It would seem that one is able to consume less amount of seeds when sprouted becuse it takes greater space in the stomach.
lt is partially that, but it is not that simple. You also consume less (long term) lt's because your body is getting nutrients far more bio-available, so the body becomes satisfied much easier. + the vibration of the food feeds and satisfies you much better....you are basically feeding off vibrations and sunlight.
Add that to the possible decrease in carbs by sprouting and that means you'll be getting less total carbs correct?
No. There may be a total decrease in carbs, but you would be getting much more because they are far more available to the body. That's why you need very little food when you drink sprout juice.
Now, why would Brian Clement say HHI diet is 90% carbs, 5% protein and 5% fats? l have no idea and am comfused as to how that fits in when sprouting decreases carbs, but there must be a solid reason why he says this, and it's one of the reasons why l need him to answer some questions on my site and clear up some questions with proper references so l can convince his doubters that there are proper studies behind his various claims. Brian comes up with lots of fancy numbers (obviously done the science research), but he needs to reference who done the research and how he came to the conclusions if he is to properly convice his skeptics, that's why l need to talk with him and help him with this. Once his claims/fancy numbers have proper explainations, his message will go much further. lf Dr Brian doesn't take the time out to explain his numbers then he is wasting his time and everyone elses because his message will only have limited effectiveness.
Hope l explained it o.k. lt would be easy to blab on over 10 pages about all of this. lt is complicated to explain and the most misunderstood thing about sprouting. People think too much like chemists and make the mistake of thinking concentrated nutrition foods are the best because in theory they should be, but it's not like that, there is so much more to the equation than over simplifying such matters.
Last edited by The Sproutarian (Mr Raw); 06-17-2012 at 11:34 AM.
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 Originally Posted by delmar
can see that you are indeed, very busy! Just to clarify, if you had a very large garden and space was not a real limitation, would it not be easier to grow your micro-greens and grasses in the earth?
Not really.
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 Originally Posted by Mr Raw
Not really.
Especially not if you have a lot of rabbits! Driving back from town last night, I had to wait for about a dozen of them to cross the dirt road close to my land because it was dark and I didn't want to run over any. I'm going to do a small patch, protected from the wind by straw bales and lay some nylon screen over the top, held down by big rocks, which I have plenty of. It's the only way. My neighbor plants a garden every year and he was almost ready to give up last year because those rabbits ate everything in there - and he had at least a 3-foot 'rabbit fence' around them. He said he watched one cotton-tail jump over it like it wasn't there and head for his turnip greens.
Mr. Raw, if I had to try to calculate types of nutrition in everything, with how much of what was 'supposed to' be in there, I'd give this 'raw' business up before I even got started. Life is already complicated enough these days; in fact, a lot of what's wrong with it is people over-complicating what should be simple and then making life difficult for everybody. (city and county councils come to mind...) I love sprouting because you can do it, even if all you have is plastic bags and paper towels, in the sleeper of your truck living on the road, as I did when I drove, so everybody can do it their house, and they can do it all year too. It gives you a fresh food supply in areas where 'fresh' is hard to get and so is gas money to travel to look for it. Sprouting seeds must be a cornerstone of all one's 'survival' food stores. Anyone who thinks you must tally every fat, carb, protein, etc. in everything you put in your mouth in order to be healthy has never been hungry - and these days, likely has a website and some product to sell us.
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^ Rabbits will not be kept out by a 3ft fence!
I used to have a pet rabbit who could scale a 5ft wall to get into my neighbours very well kept garden and eat everything!
Wistful and pale at twenty and four. Delivering daisies.
You can call me Pansy. ♥
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 Originally Posted by PansyLo
^ Rabbits will not be kept out by a 3ft fence!
I used to have a pet rabbit who could scale a 5ft wall to get into my neighbours very well kept garden and eat everything!
LOL! I would like to have seen that accomplishment! Scaled the wall, did he? Dare I ask what happened to your rabbit? What were his particular preferences for dining?
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^ We had a large wild garden that she was allowed to run about free in during the day. We'd catch her at night (with great difficulty!!!) to put her in her hutch.
We fed her rabbit pellets and fresh veg which she ate some of but she favoured our extensive weed garden.
When getting her check up, the vet said she was the healthiest rabbit he'd ever seen so we must have done something right.
Unfortunately a few times trying to catch her went on for hours, when it got dark we sometimes just gave up. One of those times something caught her, we can only assume it was a fox because I'd seen her try to take a cat on before and I doubt many cats could have won that battle.
Wistful and pale at twenty and four. Delivering daisies.
You can call me Pansy. ♥
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 Originally Posted by phak-i-tu
Mr. Raw, if I had to try to calculate types of nutrition in everything, with how much of what was 'supposed to' be in there, I'd give this 'raw' business up before I even got started. Life is already complicated enough these days; in fact, a lot of what's wrong with it is people over-complicating what should be simple and then making life difficult for everybody. (city and county councils come to mind...) I love sprouting because you can do it, even if all you have is plastic bags and paper towels, in the sleeper of your truck living on the road, as I did when I drove, so everybody can do it their house, and they can do it all year too. It gives you a fresh food supply in areas where 'fresh' is hard to get and so is gas money to travel to look for it. Sprouting seeds must be a cornerstone of all one's 'survival' food stores. Anyone who thinks you must tally every fat, carb, protein, etc. in everything you put in your mouth in order to be healthy has never been hungry - and these days, likely has a website and some product to sell us.
Yes l agree, l prefer to keep things really simple and try avoiding getting too detailed about sprouting. l only gave a slightly more detailed answer to `non' above because he asked the question, but l would prefer not getting into too much detail about sprouts. l have lots of fine details about what happens during the sprouting process, but it's not important. The thing is, some people love details, so l must be prepared to go into slightly more detail sometimes.
As long as people understand that a sprout's concentrated nutrients are predigested and made more available to the body for much more easily used feul and that nutrition and bioelectric activity greatly increases, and that sprouts are in safe balanced form and always fresh (the safest of all foods on the planet), then that is all a person needs to know.
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 Originally Posted by PansyLo
We fed her rabbit pellets and fresh veg which she ate some of but she favoured our extensive weed garden.
Your rabbit wasn't stupid. They knew instinctively what the best food was. weeds>vegetables. grass>vegetables. Pity humans have lost such touch.
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^ It's a great shame we don't have that simple instinct to eat what's best for us.
Anything we did have we've crushed out of ourselves with artificially created diets.
Wistful and pale at twenty and four. Delivering daisies.
You can call me Pansy. ♥
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 Originally Posted by PansyLo
^ It's a great shame we don't have that simple instinct to eat what's best for us.
Anything we did have we've crushed out of ourselves with artificially created diets.
My sproutarian friend was with his daughter who was feeding her young children some rubbish food. Then the sproutarian said lets try some mushed up raw sprouted foods (lentils and grains). Suddenly the really small child started reaching only for the raw sprouted food instead of the cooked tinned food.
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 Originally Posted by Mr Raw
Yes l agree, l prefer to keep things really simple and try avoiding getting too detailed about sprouting. l only gave a slightly more detailed answer to `non' above because he asked the question, but l would prefer not getting into too much detail about sprouts. l have lots of fine details about what happens during the sprouting process, but it's not important. The thing is, some people love details, so l must be prepared to go into slightly more detail sometimes.
As long as people understand that a sprout's concentrated nutrients are predigested and made more available to the body for much more easily used feul and that nutrition and bioelectric activity greatly increases, and that sprouts are in safe balanced form and always fresh (the safest of all foods on the planet), then that is all a person needs to know.
I admit to being grateful that you'll indulge a love of details in people for I find your explanations most edifying and encouraging. The more sprouters you inspire, the more widespread this necessary, fundamental change in the way we humans think about 'food.' These are dangerous times: a planet full of people and at least half of them are going hungry, part or all of the time. Add to that a lot of ignorance about what and how much of it we really need to be healthy and we get wars over resources. Just one of you is worth a million politicians and ideologues.
@ PansyLo:
I'm so sorry about your little rabbit!
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Mr Raw, One thing that is hard for me to find is good reliable truthful sources of different food. Could you shed some light for all of us on where you acquire your food (seeds/beans/chlorella/blue-green algea (everything please!)) from? It would help me out tremendously!
Last edited by zac_haryy; 06-23-2012 at 09:36 PM.
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Biological Transmutation
Sprouting seeds doesn't just increase the availability of the minerals, but actually does increase the mineral content of the seeds. It's a phenomenon called "biological transmutation"...which is completely ludicrous according to mainstream science. But who can argue with the facts?
In 1831, a french scientist (Choubard) germinated watercress seeds and determined that the contained minerals not present in the ungerminated seeds.
Another scientist (Vogel) sprouted cress seeds in crushed glass and watered them with only distilled water (he even went so far as to determine the sulfur content of the air) and discovered the the mature plants had twice the sulfur that the seeds did...with no nutrient input whatsoever.
In 1971, the Laboratory of the French Society of Agriculture sprouted rye seeds under controlled conditions and found that magnesium was transmuted into potassium.
A scientist named von Herzelee "conducted 500 analyses which verified an increase in weight in the ashes of plants grown without soil in a controlled medium. He concluded that, "Plants are capable of effecting the transmutation of elements". His publications so outraged the scientific community of the time, they were removed from libraries. His writings were lost for more than 50 years until a collection was found in Berlin by Dr. Hauscka, who subsequently published von Herzeele's findings."
A scientist named dedicated four years and hundreds of experiments to determining that vetch seeds are capable of transmuting calcium into potassium.
Louis Kervran, who probably did the most research into biological transmutation (and who was actually nominated for the Nobel Prize due to it) discovered that oat seeds transmute potassium into calcium. He also came up with a quantum-physics level explanation of how biological transmutation occurs. He also wrote the book "Biological Transmutations", which I'm now planning on ordering.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Humans are capable of biological transmutation too (as are nearly all living things), but this post is just focusing on sprouts. However, there is a reason that letting a cultivated field be overtaken by weeds can "miraculously" restore fertility, and it's not just because they improve soil structure (although they do). Having the best-structured soil in the world wouldn't do any good if it was depleted of minerals; the miracle is that whatever nutrients are left in the soil, weeds that can transmute said elements into others will be the ones who have the advantage growing there. When they die, those new minerals are added to the soil, and soon you have fertile soil again. Here comes a biggie:
***This is a major reason why compost is so effective in enhancing soil fertility***
Yes, the humus content of the compost alone has a very powerful, beneficial effect on soil, but compost is also a veritable mineral factory with all of the bacteria, fungi, nematodes and other organisms all hard at work transmuting elements.
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