Sprouting!

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

I am so glad to see you back.

Thanks, but i'm not so keen this time around. As always, the negative postings will come back before too long. lt is only a matter of time before l have my head pushed into the toilet bowl again. l really am a sucker, but l am trying to keep my posts to this thread, but soon only post very very occasionally so l can avoid the nonsense talk that always arises here. lt's a pity it has to be that way, but that's life.

I want to thank you for your sprouting inspiration and advice.

My pleasure to help people who are keen and are looking for a better way. Sprouting (growing hooks) is the most powerful thing we have got, so it's best to do it for the rest of your life and consume sprouts every single day and teach others to do so.

l want to begin doing health lectures soon. Keep it simple...just teach people about the sprouting lifestyle.

Maybe one day I will be as succesful as you.

You can if you really want it. The more you sprout and eat them, the better you will feel and the more you will get into it. After a while the sprouting habit becomes second nature...it's no big deal...it's part of a lifestyle that is rewarding, and you are so full of energy that you really enjoy doing it.

My kids and I are loving sprouting and eating them. Mung bean sprouts seem to be there favorite. I have now done alfalfa. lentil, and wheat berries. I just recieved all of my supplies for wheatgrass. I will be setting those up this week. Ihave been buying sunflower sprouts they are very energizing. I will to sprout them my self soon in a tray. I just have to make room.

That's really great. Slowly but surely. Soon much of your food will be from sprouts and you will soon feel incredible. lt's the best lifestyle. You'll adjust to the sprouts and it will be easy, and cheap.

I love seeing your pictures they are much appreciated by this beginning sprouter.

Great, that's why l like posting pictures. l will post a few chestnut sprouts tomorrow, they have extra long tails just for fun.

l pick up my 5kg sack of Fenugreek tomorrow. Also picked up another 10 kg of walnuts today. So now l have about 5 - 6 months supply of nuts (11 - 12 kg of walnuts, 7 kg of hazel nuts, 7 kg of chestnuts) for sprouting. There will probably be about 4 kg of loss in that, so about 20kg of nuts all up that will cover half a years meals for either lunch or dinner. Only about $1 a day, + $1 for my sesame meal....so two beefy meals for $2 a day. The most expensive part are the green sprouts and algaes.

l have draws full of nuts, an shed fridge full of nuts...l have nuts coming out of my ears and it is great. All stocked up and don't need to spend much money now for about 6 months.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

I will eventually make sprouts more common in my diet though..

l reckon that's a really good idea. When l started out l had a goal to consume one huge container of alfalfa sprouts everyday for 1 year. lf you aim to eat a big container of sprouts each day, you will do well...it's just getting a routine up...soaking and rinsing each day. lt's a small price to pay for the benefit you get.

Is it Impossible without sprouts?

l doubt it very much. With the depleted soils and all the extra stresses that strip our bodies of nutrients, l don't think fruits and vegies that have been picked weeks before do the job. lf sproutarians (10 - 30 times the nutrition than average vegan diets at least, maybe even 100+ times as nutritious because it is fresh and no nutrients are lost like with store bought food) like Dr Clements occasionally come up deficient during times of heavy work stress, then what hope does the average vegan have? Raw vegans say their bloodwork is good, but most doctors don't do the right testing...they don't test absorbability, so raw vegans get a false sense of security and think they have better blood work than they probably do. No, l don't think fruit, vegies, nuts and seeds cut it...it needs to be sprouted to get maximum vitamins, easy accessable minerals, broken down fats into fatty acids etc. But also, we need to have algaes and sea vegies to make sure we are getting the minerals lacking from the soils, especially the trace minerals and good qualitites of things like iron, zinc and other handy minerals that many vegan diets struggle to get enough of.

Look at the `hallelujah diet'. They consumed almost 2 liters of raw vegetable juice a day and one or two barley powder drinks a day, but 51% of the raw vegans were still deficient and got sick. See...fruit and vegies just don't cut it. The guru is still in denial about it. Many were deficient in calcium, B12, protein and all sorts of things.

You need to make sure you don't just scrape by. l know when l have sprouted foods that l have extremely high energy and have optimal function. But if l eat fruit and vegetables, l drag my feet and feel ordinary in comparison. See...fruit and vegies don't compare to the sprouts in any way. The sprouts obviously have alot more power and nutrition and are more suitable for the modern age that we live in. lf l was getting enough nutrition from fruit and vegies l would be feeling great, but l don't, so it shows they are lacking something that the sprouts have. With all the radiation and stress and depleted soils and store bought half dead foods and hectic lifestyle, we need to do something alot more than we have been doing in the past. 50 years ago, a basic fruit and vegie/nut/seed diet might have been o.k, but it doesn't cut it these days. Many raw vegan books are WAY behind the times, what they say might have worked 150 years ago, but it doesn't work anymore.

For one they can lessen any sort of goitrogenic effect greens can give and also be cleansing of heavy metals. So that may be required also on a high mature greens diet. Vitamin C to counteract oxalates.

l wouldn't be worrying about anything like that.

As for the inhibitors.. well.. surely germinating my nuts/seeds lessens that.

Of course! Sprouting to ideal growth is very important. Eg; must fully sprout alfalfa so hulls fall off, otherwise it will be toxic. Must sprout lentils a certain period of time, otherwise uric acid build up occurs and calcium loss occurs etc.

If I get some kind of inflammatory reaction I assume omega 3s, probiotics and balancing pH would help with that. Of course a detox as well.

Depends on what you are doing and yourself l guess. l wouldn't worry about it, most people do well on the sprout diet. lf problems occur, solutions can easily be found, so no need to worry. lt is far safer than eating vegetables...not so many inhibitors in greens causing bone deterioration. BUT...need to be careful to have the algae chlorella /spirulina in moderation because they are heavy in tannins and will stop calcium absorption. So no 50 tablets a day, 20 or 25 a day should be o.k, but way before any high calcium meals so no inteferance occurs. Also, no overdosing with iodine from kelp occurs like normally thought (Dr Clements confirmed this), but still, keep sea vegies in moderation because they are highly acid, so maybe 2 tablespoons a day max. + keep buckwheat juice very moderate. lf people do these simple things the diet should be o.k for nearly everyone and safe.

Perhaps eating vit C source with high oxalate foods is one way.

Sprouting gets rid of oxalic acid. That's another reason why we should sprout vegetable and weed seeds.

Adding salt to the soak water of germinating seeds is another.

Salt is good only because it makes the seeds more nutritious. But use sparingly or they will die.

Having lemon juice or fermenting which.. really in a natural environment I think healthy bacterial cultures would be everywhere...

l would keep away from fermented products and try a pro-biotic if you have the cash. Fermented products (rejuvalic, fermented nuts/seed pastes) have been shown to have both positive and negative bacteria.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Some of the sprouting foods I dont even consider that they can healthily be part of my diet. At least regularly. Like the beans and grains especially due to the starches.

Sprouted legumes and grains still make me and other people feel great, but l think they should be used only sparingly. Legumes and grains have indigestable proteins that build up, so they are not ideal foods. Then again, a good cleanse should fix this minimal problem. There are still much worse foods than sprouted grains and legumes, so l wouldn't worry too much about it.

Anyway, sprouted grains are one of the best sources of the super powerful phytonutrients, but still, it is preferred to grow the grains to a grass stage if you can, especially the gluten grains like Rye, wheat, barley and Rye. But other grains such as millet, amaranth, teff and quinoa are best sprouted for just 1 - 3 days and not taken to the grassing stage.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

also, as for the veggies having a lot of fiber, well esp the leafy greens, I chew a lot. I also dont take out the stem as they probably have a lot of nutrients and i found actually including the stems improved my digestion.

lf you diet had been toxic, l can see how vegie fiber can be good. But as you get cleaned out l suggest avoiding vegie fiber and just use a softer higher quality sprout fiber. Why work your body harder than it needs to be. lf you are cleansed you don't need heavy duty vegetable fiber, you only need nice soft sprout fiber.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

The chia sprouts look absolutely amazing. I really want to try some now. I really need to find some cheap trays to grow them on. I want to do sunflower and sesame seeds as well. Do you grow the sesame like you do the chia? I'm assuming sunflower seeds need dirt, do sesame and flax? Or can I use unbleached cotton as well like the chia seeds?

Sesame can be done on in a biosnacky tray or in a jar.

Chia/flax need to be grown on a cloth on a serving tray and sprayed lightly twice a day.

Sunflower is best on soil, but not in a biosnacky because they become a twisted mess and the hulls don't fall off. As for sprouting them on a tray like chia, l am not sure...l have been meaning to try it for ages because various people have asked me the same question in my area. Let me try this week and l will get back to you in a week or two.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Phytic acid not only grabs on to or chelates important minerals, but also inhibits enzymes that we need to digest our food, including pepsin, needed for the breakdown of proteins in the stomach, and amylase, needed for the breakdown of starch into sugar.

Very very interesting, l never knew that.

Sprouting ....at cold temperatures not remove all inhibitors. Sprouting at warmer temperatures in acidic conditions produces many more enzymes then sprouting at neutral pH, room temperature conditions (and many more then sprouting in cold conditions).

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Very very lnteresting.

I've honestly never thought about growing sesame greens, and I'm not even sure if they would be edible.

l've grown sesame greens on a few occasions. lt is much better to only sprout them for 1 - 2 days.

You can sprout hulled sunflower seeds for 1-2 days without soil, and also grow them as greens on soil. Flax sprouts need to be grown as greens because they are mucilaginous, like chia. Flax can be grown with cotton instead of soil if you prefer. I wouldn't grow sunflower greens on cotton because they pick up nutrients from the soil (despite what many people say), so it's best to grow them in a medium that contains some of those nutrients.

l think it is best to sprout flax only for about 4 days and not grow into greens. Flax greens are far to powerful. Chia greens are much much better. So, flax sprouts and chia greens make the best of both worlds. The trick to sprouting is knowing how to optimise each sprout; some seeds need to be grown into greens, other seeds need to be sprouted. Some spouts need only a short time, some need a longer time. Each sprout and grass/green has a perfect harvesting day where it is ideal; if you sprout it a day too short or too long it will never be the same.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

:) Just found this awesome article on Phytase being produced by probiotic bacteria.

http://www.naturalnews.com/031696_ph...le_grains.html

In general, humans do not produce enough phytase to safely consume large quantities of high-phytate foods on a regular basis. However, probiotic lactobacilli, and other species of digestive microflora, can produce phytase. Increased production of phytase by the gut microflora explains why some people can adjust to a high-phytate diet.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/031696_ph...#ixzz1vkEgCeMD

In general, humans do not produce enough phytase to safely consume large quantities of high-phytate foods on a regular basis. However, probiotic lactobacilli, and other species of digestive microflora, can produce phytase. Increased production of phytase by the gut microflora explains why some people can adjust to a high-phytate diet.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/031696_ph...#ixzz1vkEgCeMD

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I knew there had to be a way. But which probiotics will produce phytase and can it really be enough for a high phytate diet? Only of course if your gut flora is kept in check.

Also, if wheat and rye contain more phytate why not sprout wheat/rye together with other grains to reduce their phytate content? This is just for grains though.. Im not too fond of them or at least it should just be done in moderation.

That's why l say us raw fooders need to take digestive enzymes with all our raw meals. Eventhough a sproutarian diet may have up to 100 times the enzyme content than raw vegetable and fruit meals, it is not enough to be able to properly digest all the raw food. Dr Clement says exactly the same thing. Most of us have been having cooked food for much of our lives so we can't rely on our own digestion to do the job.

l hope you read this Raw Angel Mum. We are not machines.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Hm, I'm thinking that rejuvelac may have use as it can contain phytase from high phytase grain.

Too risky. Will most likely contain good and bad bacteria.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

hm yes it is true that much of our food is depleted of minerals due to poor soil conditions. that's a good reason to sprout.

plus it's a good reason to be having sea vegetables and algaes. + the algaes and sea vegies have optimal levels of elctromagnetic vibrations and sunlight and amino acids, + the algaes have DNA repair qualities that no other foods have and the chlorella has detox qualities unknown in an y other food. They used it at chenobal and the scientists had never seen anything like it. Toxins were eliminated 7 fold in the urine and all types of amazing things. Chlorella is so amazing that l could go on and on about it for hours, everyone should be taking it in this day and age of radiation and pollution.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

I don't know, but I do know that soaking clover leaves in salt water makes them easier to digest; I imagine there is a parallel with nuts and seeds, and will look into that more. Thanks for bringing it up. I highly doubt that it is solely for taste, most traditional cultures go to extreme measures to remove nurient inhibitors. I wonder what it is about salt water that makes things easier to digest?

Salt water is good for nutritional reasons. l'm not sure about digestion though.

I bet rejuvelac contains lots of phytase, as well as many other enzymes.

lt is! + lots of amino acids, b vitamins, calcium and other easily absorbable goodies. lt is a real enzyme factory of goodness and an amazing drink capable of reviving sick people. I used to love drinking it and could always feel the energy from it. l miss rejuvalic very very much.

Yes it is, but think about this...seeds from plants grown in depleted soils are themselves mineral deficient.

Seeds can always be soaked in kelp, + the kelp can be recycled for other seed lots.

Sprouting frees up many of the minerals and thus helps to counteract this, but I want to go even farther - my ultimate goal is to live off of sprouts from plants that I grow myself (in my very fertile garden), weeds, and weed sprouts. Throw in some sea veggies and algae and I'm good to go. On that note, I've been seriously thinking of growing spirulina myself, with energized water. I imagine it would be far more nutritious then the powdered stuff.

That's the way to go if you can. The problem is that the U.S government is trying to make it illegal for small farms and households to grow food themselves. + they want to ban organic and make everything massed produced GM food with chemicals on it. Monsanto know this is bad, that's why they are storing all the good seed for the ruling elite, and are not storing the GM seed that they want the public to use. Obama was trying to pass the bill last year, so be careful. Soon you may see air planes doing x ray patrols over houses to make sure we aren't growing any food. The NWO are pushing for it so they can control and poison our food supply, that's why we need to be able to live on grasses and weeds in case of emergency.

Let's say you go to the store and pick up, say, a head of broccoli. I should think that it's obvious that it has very little life energy (electromagnetic vibration) left after having been picked weeks ago, and that the levels of vitamins, enzymes and other phytonutrients are also much much lower then they shold be. Factor in the type of soil it's grown in (you call that soil???), and it's really not very nutritious at all; a mere shadow of what broccoli could be, and even that pales in comparison to sprouts. Then you consider that broccoli is an unnatural food that we humans have a lot of trouble digesting raw (only mitigated if you juice it), and you realize that most people are living in a fantasy world when they go off to the supermarket and pick up their "super-nutritious, living, enzyme packed food". Ah well, I best stop now, we're really not supposed to be talking about this stuff on this forum.

Dead foods make dead people. Live foods put the charge back in the cells and really allow to to live to your true potential. Sure we are alive, but most of us don't live really high quality lives. Even raw food vegans don't really live because most are eating foods almost dead, many have attitudes similar to SAD eaters. Sorry, but it's true.

lt needs to be mind, body and soul. Not half a body and no mind or soul. Run all three to the highest level by feeding it all properly from fully living food, not half dead food.

l'll get back to the rest later on.

[MysticTree]

There is a veg garden at the white house. I just don't believe the US govt. is trying to ban home-growing.

[Living Food]

Yes citric powder is a chemical but so is H2O.

But citric acid is heavily processed, and often either synthetic or derived from GMO corn. On the other hand, tap water is also heavily processed and very toxic, which is why I advise people to get good filtering systems if they rely on tap water.

have you come across any mention of a missing appendix having a negative effect on pancreatic function? I have a hard time with grains and wonder if phytase is low due to appendectomy.

The appendix has no effect on the pancreas that I know of, but losing it could have a detrimental effect on digestion anyway; the appendix is a kind of storage and even "incubator" for many types of good bacteria, some of which produce the enzyme phytase. Not having an appendix makes it much harder to have a healthy gut flora population, which has a major impact on digestion. You might want to increase the amount of probiotics and fermented foods you are taking.

Would phytase even be required if one weren't eaten nuts seeds grains and legumes? Since , I've been reading phytic acid only exists in these forms. What about oxalates..

Phytic acid exists in lots of foods, even bananas. It's just that nuts, seeds, grains and legumes have the highest quantities of them. The same is true of oxalates, many foods have them (especially mature greens).

For your reading pleasure:

FOOD SOURCES OF PHYTIC ACID (As a percentage of dry weight)

FOOD MINIMUM MAXIMUM
Sesame seed flour 5.36 5.36
Brazil nuts 1.97 6.34
Almonds 1.35 3.22
Tofu 1.46 2.90
Linseed 2.15 2.78
Oat meal 0.89 2.40
Beans, pinto 2.38 2.38
Soy protein concentrate 1.24 2.17
Soybeans 1.00 2.22
Corn 0.75 2.22
Peanuts 1.05 1.76
Wheat flour 0.25 1.37
Wheat 0.39 1.35
Soy beverage 1.24 1.24
Oats 0.42 1.16
Wheat germ 0.08 1.14
Whole wheat bread 0.43 1.05
Brown rice 0.84 0.99
Polished rice 0.14 0.60
Chickpeas 0.56 0.56
Lentils 0.44 0.50

PHYTIC ACID LEVELS (In milligrams per 100 grams of dry weight)
Brazil nuts 1719
Cocoa powder 1684-1796
Brown rice 12509
Oat flakes 1174
Almond 1138 - 1400
Walnut 982
Peanut roasted 952
Peanut ungerminated 821
Lentils 779
Peanut germinated 610
Hazel nuts 648 – 1000
Wild rice flour 634 – 752.5
Yam meal 637
Refried beans 622
Corn tortillas 448
Coconut 357
Corn 367
Entire coconut meat 270
White flour 258
White flour tortillas 123
Polished rice 11.5 - 66
Strawberries 12

Some of these foods don't apply to us, of course, but it shows that a wide variety of foods contains phytic acid. This list is only the tip of the iceberg.

keep sea vegies in moderation because they are highly acid, so maybe 2 tablespoons a day max.

That might make more sense to people who aren't eating a diet very high in alkaline green sprouts, but I wonder if, by including more acidic foods in my diet, I can squeeze in a little extra (alkaline) green juice that I couldn't have otherwise with becoming over-alkaline?

The above probably shouldn't be followed by most people reading this unless they're eating a diet very high in alkaline green sprouts and weeds, as most people are so acidic that it is virtually impossible for them to become over-alkaline. I'm just wondering if including some (healthy) acidic foods wouldn't be beneficial for those who are already extremely healthy and eating a very alkaline diet.

l would keep away from fermented products and try a pro-biotic if you have the cash. Fermented products (rejuvalic, fermented nuts/seed pastes) have been shown to have both positive and negative bacteria.

Fermented foods are much better then probiotics, because they contain loads of enzymes and nutrients that probiotics don't. I also imagine that they have a better energetic field then mass-produced probiotic supplements.

I understand you're concern about the presence of bad bacteria, but certain methods of fermenting, such as using salt and acidity, prevent the growth of bad bacteria. Very healthy people also have little to worry about from bad bacteria.

l think it is best to sprout flax only for about 4 days and not grow into greens. Flax greens are far to powerful.

Please clarify that...too powerful as in too cleansing for most people, or too powerful as in eating them actually has detrimental effects/tastes horrible? I'm looking to optimize this diet as much as possible, so if flax greens are more powerful then chia greens I'm all for it.

Yes it is, but think about this...seeds from plants grown in depleted soils are themselves mineral deficient.
Seeds can always be soaked in kelp, + the kelp can be recycled for other seed lots.

Plants grown in less-then-fertile soil are depleted in minerals, but that leads to many other problems as well. These plants also have far less life energy, vitamins, and other phytonutrients (probably even enzymes) then those grown in very fertile soils. Yes, you can soak seeds from depleted soil in kelp water and up the mineral content a little, but that's still far inferior to sprouting seeds from plants grown in very fertile soil, even if those seeds aren't soaked in kelp water. Sprouts form the later group would possess far more life energy and other nutrients then sprouts from the former group.

That's the way to go if you can. The problem is that the U.S government is trying to make it illegal for small farms and households to grow food themselves. + they want to ban organic and make everything massed produced GM food with chemicals on it. Monsanto know this is bad, that's why they are storing all the good seed for the ruling elite, and are not storing the GM seed that they want the public to use. Obama was trying to pass the bill last year, so be careful. Soon you may see air planes doing x ray patrols over houses to make sure we aren't growing any food. The NWO are pushing for it so they can control and poison our food supply, that's why we need to be able to live on grasses and weeds in case of emergency.

Yeah, but how long have they been trying that? Higher powers are preventing such things form happening. It could happen, I suppose, but I personally think that the tide is changing and we're actually winning this thing. It will undoubtedly take some years for the NWO to fall by the wayside, but it will happen, and most likely in our lifetime at that.

Dead foods make dead people. Live foods put the charge back in the cells and really allow to to live to your true potential. Sure we are alive, but most of us don't live really high quality lives. Even raw food vegans don't really live because most are eating foods almost dead, many have attitudes similar to SAD eaters. Sorry, but it's true.

100% agreement here.

lt needs to be mind, body and soul. Not half a body and no mind or soul. Run all three to the highest level by feeding it all properly from fully living food, not half dead food.

Exactly! Couldn't have said it better myself :)

There is a veg garden at the white house. I just don't believe the US govt. is trying to ban home-growing.

It's not going to work, but they are trying. Search it in Google and you'll undoubtedly find multiple such bills. I personally remember hearing about a couple a while back and doing some research, but I spend my time researching more important stuff now and so don't remember exactly what bills they were.

[Raw Angel Mom]

For your information

Regarding Neuro transmitter such Digestive Enzyme and Cortisol:

Not recommended at all to take any neuro transmitter. Long term Cortisol supplement will burn out the adrenal the same as long term digestive enzyme will burn out the pancreas.

I didn't know about the digestive enzyme could have such a negative effect on the pancreas.

I used to supplement with that as per dr. Cousens recommendation but good grace, this is a severe consequence that we need to be informed about. I no longer supplement except for a whole food such chlorella, e3live etc... but even then, i haven't take that for a while.

I am not willing to say of not taking digestive enzyme at all cost because perhaps someone might need this but personally now that i know what i know, there isn't any way that i will ever again do this.

All the best!

[MysticTree]

Living Food, I have looked before and not found anything that shows any plan for banning vegetable growing at home.

[Raw Angel Mom]

Living Food, I have looked before and not found anything that shows any plan for banning vegetable growing at home.

for you MysticTree

http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.c...authorization/

Google codex growing food

All the best