Sprouting!

[Non]

Hi Mr. Raw I know people ask you enough as it is but I know you know quite a lot. Do you know about where to get choline from? It seems it's hard to get on a vegan diet in the "daily requirements" range. Perhaps the choline increases with sprouts but being that also sprouting makes it more fibrous and weighty that would mean you eat less of it.

[MysticTree]

Special sprouting seeds from companies are known to be a higher quality seed that should have at least a 90% sprout rate, where-as seeds from most non sprout companies are not guaranteed to do as well. So yes, proper seeds grown for sprouting are supposed to be a better seed overall. lt's not always like that, but it is supposed to be according to various sources.

This seems to be at odds with your idea that weeds produce better seeds for sprouting. If what you say is true the sprouting seed companies must be using some sort of selective (breeding) process for ensuring this "better seed". Seed that is sprouted rather than just sown may well have a better germination rate than seed sown in the ground which may be what makes the difference if there is any difference - I don't think there is a difference; farmers who form the bulk of seed buyers would not be happy with a lesser germination rate. This suggests to me that the seed viability is exactly the same but the farmer doesn't tend his sown seed with as much attention as the average sprout grower.

[Non]

These spinach sprouting seeds are cheap. I wonder if they can be sprouted for their sprout greens: http://www.italianseedandtool.com/c=..._seed.spinach/'

hm nvm. spinach sprouts very slowly. If spinach were a good sprouter it would be more popular and more pricey.

[delmar]

If what you say is true the sprouting seed companies must be using some sort of selective (breeding) process for ensuring this "better seed".

That does not necessarily stand to reason. It could be as simple as the sprouting seeds being stored properly to make sure they don't get overheated and being harvested in a manner that does less mechanical damage to the seed. I do know, for example, that Weaver popcorn, here in Indiana, will only buy popcorn from farmers who use certain brands of machinery because other brands crack more of the hulls and reduce the amount of kernels that pop. The same would be true of seed germination. A seed with a cracked hull won't grow.

[Living Food]

Mystic, weed seeds don't necessarily sprout better then others, but rather tend to be more valuable because of higher nutrient levels - and better energy/vibration, for the most part.

at does not necessarily stand to reason. It could be as simple as the sprouting seeds being stored properly to make sure they don't get overheated and being harvested in a manner that does less mechanical damage to the seed. I do know, for example, that Weaver popcorn, here in Indiana, will only buy popcorn from farmers who use certain brands of machinery because other brands crack more of the hulls and reduce the amount of kernels that pop. The same would be true of seed germination. A seed with a cracked hull won't grow.

That makes sense.

the farmer doesn't tend his sown seed with as much attention as the average sprout grower.

Also true.

These spinach sprouting seeds are cheap.

Keep in mind that a packet is only 15 grams. But if you buy them by the kilogram the price isn't so bad, although you can find peas for pea shoots and wheat/rye/barley/oats for grass juice for much cheaper. But variety is always good.

I wonder if they can be sprouted for their sprout greens

Spinach seeds are quite tiny, I think it would be best to sprout them on soil rather then in jars.

[MysticTree]

That does not necessarily stand to reason. It could be as simple as the sprouting seeds being stored properly to make sure they don't get overheated and being harvested in a manner that does less mechanical damage to the seed. I do know, for example, that Weaver popcorn, here in Indiana, will only buy popcorn from farmers who use certain brands of machinery because other brands crack more of the hulls and reduce the amount of kernels that pop. The same would be true of seed germination. A seed with a cracked hull won't grow.

They wouldn't be stored any differently for sprouting than for farmers to sow. I think it's a reason given by companies who sell "sprouting" seeds so that they can hike their prices.

[MysticTree]

Mystic, weed seeds don't necessarily sprout better then others, but rather tend to be more valuable because of higher nutrient levels - and better energy/vibration, for the most part.

Where is the evidence that the nutrition is higher and what does "higher nutrition" mean any way?

[Living Food]

I'm sure that there's some "scientific" evidence out there if you were inclined to look, although I doubt doing studies on weeds is as popular as doing studies on drugs (where's the incnetive with weeds?). You want evidence? Go out in the woods and juice a big glass of weed juice, then juice a glass of some sort of conventional green you got from the store. The former burns my mouth out from the very high mineral and other nutrient levels, the later tastes like water in comparison.

It's common sense that the soil in most forests is far better then that on most farms. I'll elaborate more later.

[MysticTree]

I'm sure that there's some "scientific" evidence out there if you were inclined to look, although I doubt doing studies on weeds is as popular as doing studies on drugs (where's the incnetive with weeds?). You want evidence? Go out in the woods and juice a big glass of weed juice, then juice a glass of some sort of conventional green you got from the store. The former burns my mouth out from the very high mineral and other nutrient levels, the later tastes like water in comparison.

It's common sense that the soil in most forests is far better then that on most farms. I'll elaborate more later.

It stands to reason that most people with access to weeds are accessing these weeds on very similar soil to that of their gardens and in areas of high pollution. That a juice burns someone's mouth says nothing of it's nutritional value; it just says this burns my mouth!

The reason I ask about scientific evidence is that you are saying this is fact and it doesn't sound as though it is more than opinion. The two are very different.

[Living Food]

I know that it is a fact. It is very hard to convince someone of something if they don't have a sufficiently open mind, no matter what you say and how accurate your information is.

I can feel the difference between a weed juice and the juice of fresh greens straight from someone's garden (I grow weeds in mine, but a while ago I got some conventional greens from a friend and jiced them straight from the garden just for this very purpose - the conventional greens were far better then those bought from the store, but the weeds were better yet). My intuition also tells me with 100% certainty that weeds are far better then conventional greens. None f that is scientific evidence, but intuition (if yours is highly developed) is the most reliable thing there is. Scientific data can be faked and scientists can be mistaken/make mistakes, and scientists do not know anywhere near all there is to know, but ultimately intuition is the only way that you can know with 100% certainty that anything is true. We all have it, but many people's intuition is very weak and confused due to the low state of health and conciousness that they are in. Sproutarianism has made my intuition very powerful, and I don't even do the very effective meditation that Mr Raw does (yet).

Weeds growing in the forest also have a special energy that no other food has...but don't ask for scientific evidence for that *grin*
Mainstream science still rejects the fact that all living things have life energy and that this energy has an effect on health.

[MysticTree]

I know that it is a fact. It is very hard to convince someone of something if they don't have a sufficiently open mind, no matter what you say and how accurate your information is.

I was asking you for your information. You say you have proof but you don't tell me what it is!

[Living Food]

I was asking you for your information. You say you have proof but you don't tell me what it is!

I don't have any scientific proof to show you at the moment. However, many weeds do have very long taproots that are able to penetrate the subsoil and absorb minerals that aren’t present in the topsoil – that is one reason that weeds are better even then fresh conventional greens straight from the garden. This is scientifically proven. Even if you grow fresh greens in your garden then the weeds have access to even richer, untapped soil then do conventional greens due to their roots penetrating deep into the subsoil. There is scientific evidence that plants with greater access to minerals and better soil also have higher protein levels and larger quantities of vitamins, enzymes and other phytonutrients as well. The brix rating is a good measurement of the soil a plant was grown in. I may find some of this evidence later and show you when I have more time.

I obviously don’t have scientific proof for the energetic differences.

Much of the other information I shared is subjective yet still more accurate than most studies.

[MysticTree]

I don't have any scientific proof to show you at the moment. However, many weeds do have very long taproots that are able to penetrate the subsoil and absorb minerals that aren’t present in the topsoil – that is one reason that weeds are better even then fresh conventional greens straight from the garden. This is scientifically proven. I obviously don’t have scientific proof for the energetic differences. Much of the other information I shared is subjective yet still more accurate than most studies.

Roots such as mullein and bindweed do have very deep root systems but dandelions, thistles and more especially annual weeds have roots that stay in the upper soil layer. Nettles have an extensive root system but even perennial nettle roots are shallow. Ground elder is another perennial weed with a very shallow root system. I don't know the edibility of mullien and bindweed - I could check later of course

[Living Food]

Many weeds do have very extensive root systems. Most conventional crops have roots that extend less than a foot down, whereas even weeds with not very extensive root systems can have roots that go deeper then that.

I hear that mullein is edible, but it wouldn't be pleasant becuase of all the hairs on the leaves. Maybe mullein juice and/or smoothie? I don't know abou bindweed.

Older dandelion plants have very extensive root system, and the taproot can eventually grow to penetrate many feet down.

[MysticTree]

Many weeds do have very extensive root systems. Most conventional crops have roots that extend less than a foot down, whereas even weeds with not very extensive root systems can have roots that go deeper then that.

I hear that mullein is edible, but it wouldn't be pleasant becuase of all the hairs on the leaves. Maybe mullein juice and/or smoothie? I don't know abou bindweed.

Older dandelion plants have very extensive root system, and the taproot can eventually grow to penetrate many feet down.

My point is that just because it is a weed doesn't mean it has a deep root system. If as you say, mullien is edible, then juicing would be the way to go. I've known mature plants to have roots as deep as 4 or more feet. Bindweed can go as far down as maybe even 9 feet but will root shallowly if there is room. It chooses not to grow down far if it can avoid it.