Raw VEGAN Dogs -- anyone here doing this?

[RSQdogs]

If you go to Ani Phyo on Facebook you will see that she now feeds kibble that has meat and rice so please do not consider following what she says in her book. Obviously it turned around her dog Kanga who was sickly when she got her but that kind of diet is not good long term. Personally I don't know why she doesn't use something better like Honest Kitchen dehydrated food.

Hello all... I was considering feeding my two fur babies (Pomeranian and Poodle puppies) raw following the BARF diet, however I honestly can not stomach or be near raw meat, nor do I want it in my house for my own health reasons.

I was reading about Ani Phyo's dog, and that she feeds a large dog 100% raw vegan foods and it's a health animal.

I know dogs are naturally omnivores, however my puppies seem to prefer carrots, bananas, green smoothies and chopped greens to their Kibbles, and I'm wondering if I would be doing them a service to make their diet at least 75% Raw Vegan.

I need advise. I'm absolutely terrified of doing anything wrong with their diets. I lost a very beloved dog to a very stupid mistake (left him at a "professional kennel" - never again) a year ago and am pretty protective of my two little guys that are left.

I can't find anything solid out there about feeding Dogs primarily raw VEGAN diets... I need help if I'm going to do this "right".

[pixie_333]

i feel to always allow the dog to choose if it wants meat or not. you'll likely always find a dog in a mad dash to get to meat if it can...especialy after being vegan for so long.

i couldn't stomach cutting up raw chicken livers into tiny pieces for my cat... but she loved them and my love for her over weighed what i found gross. humans are different than cats and dogs etc... we need to respect them. humans took them out of the wild. wolves need meat.. what dogs stem from. NEVER make a cat vegan... they will die very quickly.

[dread head vegan]

my doggies are vegan, my oldest a rottie/shepard mix was having some severe hip problems so we swiched his food to a vegan diet with some raw food veggies and all his hip problems went away.

[BlackKat]

Dogs are scavengers, but obviously are carnivorous predators. They can eat whatever is in the guts of their herbivorous prey.

If you don't want to contribute to meat eating or touch raw meat, why not adopt a herbivorous animal instead? Maybe a bird or a guinea pig?

I've got a raw bone and flesh eating German Shepherd and a salad guzzling guinea pig. When he sees me come in the kitchen, he goes crazy waiting for some salad or a bite of my orange etc. He can eat as fast.. or even faster than me=)

Couldn't agree with you more! My guinea pig go nuts for dark greens and his bits of orange I give him. He'll perch himself up on the door of his cage when I open the door, and he'll eat it right out of my hand while I pet him. Too cute.

I'm kind of curious as to what kinds of raw diet would be adequate for my 2 ferrets (obviously strict meat-eaters)... hmm. Time to do some research.

[kaybee]

green woman--

there is info on vegan and raw vegan dogs at 30bad, and there are a few people there you could pm to ask the specifics of their feeding raw vegan.
hope this helps.

[KaleMama]

This is my own personal opinion - I do not think it is right to feed cats/dogs a raw vegan diet. There is no way I would do this to my 3 Dachshunds. They are raw, but they do eat meat. I don't like it, but they need the meat in their diet to thrive.

Right there with you, Mindy Sue. They are another species and have different requirements that we do. We do KNOW how they thrive. My Pom eats the BARF diet and as much as we don't like flesh in the house it is what SHE needs. We are vegans but IMO it would be selfish to deprive her of what she needs just because I cannot deal with flesh.

[Mindy Sue]

my doggies are vegan, my oldest a rottie/shepard mix was having some severe hip problems so we swiched his food to a vegan diet with some raw food veggies and all his hip problems went away.

I'm just curious, did she lose some weight when he was put on a vegan diet?

[greenrunner]

I tried as well (10yo Lab). I had her on a vegan diet, but she lost interest in the food after initially liking it (in a span of about 1 month).

I called a truce and she's on about a 30% raw diet. I give her what she likes, but she drinks a green shake a day too, which she likes.

Hair is great, still a finicky eater (she gets bored of any food easily), but stable weight, great coat, and healthy.

[therawmichelle]

That is very interesting subject you have brought up.

As far as i know, dogs are primarily predatory carnivores that may exhibit scavenger behavior to survive. Because they are domesticated, they do not need to hunt (we feed them, so they don't need to worry), however, their predatory instincts are still there, and the games we play with dogs (such as "fetch" or having them chase us, or chase each other) are expressions of those very instincts. Moreover, their teeth are a clear indicator that they were not meant to chew plants, but rip apart chunks of flesh (i know it sounds awful, but carnivores are an important part of the food chain).
Moreover, a dog's main source of sustenance should be protein. They need way more protein than humans do, and i believe they also have different essential amino acids than humans.

Someone mentioned it here, and I have also heard of the claim that dogs would consume the content of the gut from the animals they'd be hunting. They would clearly eat the internal organs, but i find it hard to believe that they would go for the gut content of a herbivore. In all probability, the animals they'd bring down wouldn't even be on a full stomach, or they'd be at an advanced phase of digestion, so it seems like a stretched claim to me.

I would personally recommend you feed your dogs a meat based diet. However, if you do decide to go vegan on your dogs, make sure you find good vegetable sources of protein to incorporate the amino acids that dogs need. Good luck!

[MysticTree]

I agree that they are certainly carnivores but also you can't get away from the fact that they do eat the gut of herbivorous animals. I have dogs and I have observed this - can't go into detail because this is a vegan board.

My dog also eats raw carrots - from choice. Papaya, watermelon, sweet potato and many other veggies and fruits. She likes cooked greens and cabbabe but isn't overly fond of potatoes except if she has lost her ball then she likes to play fetch with one!

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Contrary to previous scientific belief, DNA has the ability to change within a short period of time. 10 years ago there were no swimming chimps, now there are. Lots of other scientific evidence to support almost instant DNA changes, so why can't a dogs DNA change and go vegan.

David Wilcock discusses the evidence if anyone is interested.

[MysticTree]

Contrary to previous scientific belief, DNA has the ability to change within a short period of time. 10 years ago there were no swimming chimps, now there are. Lots of other scientific evidence to support almost instant DNA changes, so why can't a dogs DNA change and go vegan.

David Wilcock discusses the evidence if anyone is interested.

Is swimming something governed by DNA?

My feeling is that dogs will eat pretty much anything. My ex husband lived in Ireland for a while in the 70s and their dog ate mostly cabbage and potatoes as far as I can tell - occasionally bones from a very occasional bit of meat they had.

The dog I have at the moment is certainly an omnivore.

[Arky]

This is my own personal opinion - I do not think it is right to feed cats/dogs a raw vegan diet. There is no way I would do this to my 3 Dachshunds. They are raw, but they do eat meat. I don't like it, but they need the meat in their diet to thrive.

Well said.

[BlackKat]

Contrary to previous scientific belief, DNA has the ability to change within a short period of time. 10 years ago there were no swimming chimps, now there are. Lots of other scientific evidence to support almost instant DNA changes, so why can't a dogs DNA change and go vegan.

David Wilcock discusses the evidence if anyone is interested.

The first thing that pops into my mind when people say their meat eating animals are thriving on vegan diets is when SAD people say they are thriving on cooked food... So can human dna change and we become meat eaters? Carnivore's digestive system is completely different than ours.. they are acidic, we are alkaline.

I think what needs to be kept in mind is that since we as raw eaters say the natural way is best for us such as what one would eat if thrown out in nature without any appliances, utensils etc.. is best for us then in that case shouldnt the same be for dogs, cats, guinea pigs, rats, snakes, etc?

I know my cats (who are indoor cats) who have never killed or captured a live animal outside... if thrown out the door to fend for themselves... they would INDEED instinctually catch and eat their own prey.

[Veggie Dog]

If you go to Ani Phyo on Facebook you will see that she now feeds kibble that has meat and rice so please do not consider following what she says in her book. Obviously it turned around her dog Kanga who was sickly when she got her but that kind of diet is not good long term. Personally I don't know why she doesn't use something better like Honest Kitchen dehydrated food.

Ani Phyo, author, chef, and host of Ani's Raw Food Kitchen Show mariposa - I just give Kanga 1oz of fresh (wheatgrass) squeezed. I'm sure powder would work too! - Kanga was raw vegan for 8 years or more. in the past 2 years, bc i was traveling so much, i had to put her on organic kibble which is rice and chicken. she still eats raw with me whenever I'm home tho!

Posted by Ani Phyo on her Facebook page Tues 28th Aug 2012