does anyone know where to get seeds for organic redbor kale?

[kaybee]

I am looking for organic seeds for the organic curly red/purple kale. its technical variety name is "redbor" kale. i cannot find them anywhere, even using google. Im not looking for the "red russian" kale, which is green with pink veins and a sort of oakleaf shape. i want the red curly kale. i grew some last year from seedlings i had gotten from a man nearby, but i dont think it was from organic seed, and the garden plot i am using this year requires that it be organic. i cant use the seed from last year because unfortunately the redbor is a hybrid variety, so you have to keep purchasing the seed, as the next generation tends to revert back to the green variety or something. the man i got them from last year said all his turned out greenish or with tinges of purple, but not the brilliant purple he had had the first year. i am going to ask him about seed, but he tends to grow things organically but i dont think he is adamant necessarily about getting organic seed. i LOVE this kale because its so beautiful, i really want to grow more of it.... anyone, anyone? i can find redbor on the internet but not organic redbor.

thanks
kaybee

[michigan roman]

www.territorialseed.com

[michigan roman]

sorry i just reaD whole thread and saw you want organic

[kaybee]

yeah theirs was one of the few i found at all. but the place where i have a plot this year is trying to get organic certification so she doesnt want anything non-organic in there.... what i dont "GET" is that its possible to buy this kale in markets, organic--i think ive gotten it at whole foods and i know ive gotten it at MOMS near Washington DC, and we used to have it at the organic produce delivery company i worked at in seattle, and at the farmers markets in massachusetts as well.....so if they are selling organic kale in the stores, then organic SEED for it would have to exist SOMEWHERE, right? hmm...my parents sell at farmers markets too.... maybe i can get my dad to contact another farmer and try to source some for me...parents are coming in a few weeks. if worst comes to worst and i cant get organic, there is another plot where i could probably put it, but id prefer not as things havent grown well there.

[michigan roman]

isnt there a thing called ' seed exchange ' , where people list what they've .
along with what they want and exchanges are made . i know there is but its been years since i read about it . try a search

[michigan roman]

ya i did a search and theres bunch , heres a canadian one


http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu_YG9r.../forums/excan/ ..

[kaybee]

ooooh. yah i forgot. there IS something called "seed savers" here. you have to belong though. i know a guy who does though, maybe he will check for me. ill check out the canadian one too. thx.

[sport]

Maybe Monsanto have bought it all up so that you can not have it.

[kaybee]

yeah, no kidding, huh? im SO glad to not be living in the states right now... i read something yesterday about them wanting to to REQUIRE everyone in the states to have mandatory bird flu vaccines, regardless of religious or other objections...

sport--did you get your house finished and are you putting up a polytunnel or putting in a garden this year? maybe i will come give you a hand with some of your gardening if you want, once i get my garden stuff here sorted... i wish i had my own polytunnel... there was one i was using, and the man had had no interest in it all of last summer. i went away to spain for 2 months, asked someone to water it, and have come back to find most of my plants, including the huge, beautiful nasturtiams, rows and rows of coriander, rocket, kale, red cabbage, and all the wild or "volunteer" stuff that had randomly started growing in it--nettles, wild sorrel, avocado trees, chervil, leafbeet, etc CLEARED away and him having put down onions and lettuce or some crap like that. at least he left my parsley. but the rest was HEARTBREAKING, especially the nasturtiams. i just dont get why people here "clear" stuff that could continue being used to feed us just so they can start a "new" crop--often a "new" crop of the SAME THING!!

[sport]

Kaybee.
No house yet but they have told me that I can move in in about 3 weeks so maybe that is four if I am lucky.
You will be the first to know when I get there and I expect you for tea within a week of that date.

[kaybee]

hehe. would love to see the house. is it all ecological and solar and stuff? i know you were getting special windows, though i have forgotten why they were special... wow, i think it took longer than you expected, huh? i have a car now but we'll see if it can make it that far. (crossing fingers) lol. it made it all the way from here to spain, then silently died while i was off hiking for 6 weeks. it better run for a billion years now to make up for the billion dollar repair bill ;p

[Lavendula]

My husband just went to Galway for work a few weeks ago. He talks of all the bangers and mash (not to mention blood pudding) he saw consumed. He says he will have to go every three months, and maybe I'll try to go with him. Will I be able to eat well there as a raw inclined traveler? What's available in June? Would love to meetup.

[michigan roman]

i just ordered a quarter pound , 80,000 seeds , of this red russian kale in below link from willhite seeds in texas . seeds arent organic but the price is too good to pass up when i can save like 40 bucks on my total order as i buy seeds in large quanitys because i like broadcast seeding greens in several waves each growing season . link =


http://www.willhiteseed.com/proddetail.php?prod=55 ..

[Lavendula]

My father got alot of his seeds from this place in Oregon. I checked, they do have it, don't think it was organic though. We visited them in Albany many years ago.


http://www.nicholsgardennursery.com/...NJ7B98SQQ53N9A

[sport]

My husband just went to Galway for work a few weeks ago. He talks of all the bangers and mash (not to mention blood pudding) he saw consumed. He says he will have to go every three months, and maybe I'll try to go with him. Will I be able to eat well there as a raw inclined traveler? What's available in June? Would love to meetup.

Be sure to let me know if you come and maybe you and your husband will come for a weekend. My husband would love to have an excuse to eat bangers and always uses a guest as an excuse.