MSM Powder Warning

[Raw Angel Mom]

Aky, you make good points of course and thank you for sharing so much. I of course hear you and hear your point.

I also researched but mainly i had to discern and trust my guts. I think anyone can find statements to justify one side or the other. Perhaps the best approach is to see an homeopath or someone that really knows about herbs. It would be a safe approach in my humble opinion.

I have seen the precaustion about MSM. It is why i tried it on me first and only give a little bit to my child after experimenting with me. I cannot denial the result with her, it was noticeable like a connection was starting to establish.

She had heavy metal poisoning and she was diagnose with pdd-nos. I knew again from my guts, that it was something else then pdd-nos and suspected the heavy metal poisoning.

If you do an experiment and add sulfure to mercury, it will turn into a white powder.

What made me use msm was that i recalled reading someone saying that she had autism and since she was doing msm, it helped her tremendously. This hit home with me and it is why i used that.

I don't go with fear, i don't go either with being careless but i know that each time that i have followed my guidance, i have never been deceived.

All is well.

[Arky]

I never imagined that cilantro/coriander could be so hazardous to me because I had no idea I had metal toxicity, for example (KD Ironside has an unfortunate tale to tell about cilantro, and please note that parsley is apparently quite similar to cilantro: http://whatidontknow.net/blog/playing-with-fire/). Same goes for ALA - I've purchased Alpha Lipoic Acid in the past - thankfully only once and I somehow got away without any serious metal redistribution side-effects (same goes for a bottle of NDF I once purchased and thankfully never finished). ALA is very widely available in health food stores and at doses which, to a heavy metal poisoned individual, could (potentially) cause major neurological damage. That's a really sobering thought.

In short, I now appreciate that anyone who has unexplained symptoms matching those of heavy metal intoxication would be wise to at least avoid the above substances until heavy metals have been ruled out in their individual case. MSM would, perhaps, appear to be a similar risky substance, for reasons previously discussed, but rather than vilify MSM, it'd be wiser to recognise that if one has an undiagnosed root cause of physiological symptoms, even the most innocent of food substances (cilantro) can, potentially, pose a health risk. This is not intended to imply that one should become fearful or paranoid, but merely that it pays to doggedly and tenaciously research one's own health issues, in order to most quickly and accurately arrive at potential answers, and to understand the various pitfalls surrounding them. It took me much longer than I'd like, but I learned a great deal along the way (still am learning a great deal along the way) and had I not been so determined in my efforts to get to the bottom of my health issues, looking deeper than the mainstream surface explanations, I would probably be consuming coriander etc. as recommended by various 'natural health' websites, and even some professional doctors (e.g. Dr Klinghardt - tinyurl.com/64sxy5q ), with a less-than-rosy prognosis, as a consequence.

Caveat emptor.

Update: - quite by chance, I unwittingly discovered another possible problem substance last night. Again, I am fortunate that it does not appear to have caused any severe or novel neurological symptoms, but within 20 minutes it gave me a killer headache and worsened my mercury-related tinnitus (severity remains unabated since last night). The substance is Boswellic Acid (Frankincense) - this is a very powerful natural anti-inflammatory and analgesic - really did my inflammatory bowel pain the world of good...but it seemingly allowed passage of mercury across my blood-brain barrier - I say this because I recognise the symptoms as identical to those when I took NDF and when I consumed Cilantro.

Sure enough, I looked it up in more detail this morning and surprise surprise, Boswellic Acid does cross the blood-brain barrier. I'm not suggesting it is a chelation substance in any sense (though it might be), but it appears that the very fact that it is able to cross the blood-brain barrier seems, subjectively at least, to somehow allow mercury to hitch a ride.

Interestingly, I have never, in all my heavy metals research, seen a single person (be they professional, a parent or a patient) mention this possible blood-brain barrier correlation between mercury and Boswellia (and I know the main chelation forums etc. on the internet), but, as you pointed out, Raw Angel Mom, there is a place for following one's own guidance (even if we don't necessarily draw the same conclusions on specific substances ;) ). ...I confess I am now also curious about possible complications of the above nature with herbs such as Thyme and Rosemary (for example, Rosemary contains carnosic & rosmarinic acids), both herbs being capable of penetrating the blood-brain barrier, though I am, of course, unwilling to play Russian Roulette by trying them on my self deliberately. This area warrants more research. Of course, turmeric contains circuminoids, some of which are known to be capable of crossing the blood-brain barrier. Bit of a rabbit hole, this topic, then... but of potentially-enormous significance to people with high body burdens of mercury and thus a very real risk of this finding it's way across the blood-brain barrier into the fragile tissues of the brain, with potentially regrettable consequences.

Suffice to say, that Boswellia, at the very least, is another substance I'll definitely be avoiding for the next several years until DMSA and ALA, used on a very careful frequent-dosing-chelation protocol, chelate metals from my body and brain to negligible levels. The unfortunate irony is that by the time I've chelated the metals out of my body and brain, I may no longer require the services of an anti-inflammatory herb as excellent as Boswellia clearly is.

C'est la vie.


In the meantime, I'll continue to research this further.




further update: Cereal grass juice seems to be having a similar, though milder, effect on me to the coriander/cilantro and the boswellia. Weird. I do know that some claim cereal grass juice increases measured levels of excreted metals in stools. The problem is that, as with cilantro, insufficient hard scientific research has been undertaken with cereal grass juice in specific relation to chelation of brain/CNS-resident mercury. It's a highly specialised area.
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[hyperchiller]

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[Arky]

Check out food grade Diatomaceous Earth to detox mercury...

"MORE DIATOMACEOUS EARTH BENEFITS: Food grade diatomaceous earth has been reported in scientific literature to absorb methyl mercury, e-coli, endotoxins, viruses (including polio virus), organophosphate pesticide residues, drug resides, and protein, perhaps even the proteinaceous toxins produced by some intestinal infections. Food grade diatomaceous earth detoxes."
http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/defaq.html


Also check out this link - http://www.diatomitecanada.com/fossi...eous-earth.htm
A heaping tablespoonful, as much as we recommend, in water before bed or first thing in the morning, if one doesn’t normally eat an early breakfast, will allow the Fossil Shell Flour DE time to move through and absorb toxins from one’s digestive tract without interference and without absorbing nutrients from foods or liquids.

I've nothing against DE, and it might possibly aid excretion of mercury from the bowel, but, like zeolite, it is not absorbed systemically and is thus not a serious option for a mercury-intoxicated individual, because mercury in no way limits itself to the bowel - that's precisely the problem with mercury; it finds its way into many tissues and organs, including the brain.

[hyperchiller]

Then what do you suggest Arky?

Is there anything out there that helps you detox mercury systematically?? There's got to be something. Maybe a herb of some sort.

I've got the "Detox Miracle Sourcebook - the Complete Guide to Cellular Regeneration". It does into depth about various toxins, heavy metals and the sources of them in our environment. Although it doesn't go into depth about how to detox from mercury..

[Arky]

Then what do you suggest Arky?

Is there anything out there that helps you detox mercury systematically?? There's got to be something. Maybe a herb of some sort.

I've got the "Detox Miracle Sourcebook - the Complete Guide to Cellular Regeneration". It does into depth about various toxins, heavy metals and the sources of them in our environment. Although it doesn't go into depth about how to detox from mercury..

Well, from the research I've done, there's only one pragmatic option and that's the Cutler Protocol - he's the only authority I've encountered who recognises the vital importance of administering chelation substances on the basis of a strict frequent-dosing schedule, which takes account of the half-life of each chelation substance. If one ignores (or, in the case of cilantro, does not know) the half-life of a chelation substance, then, as its levels unfortunately decay in the body, over time, metals which were in the process of being chelated instead become redistributed to some extent, which leads to enormous oxidative stress on the body and, of course, failure to achieve the desired aim of safe and effective excretion.

If you read my posts on this forum (this thread included), regarding chelation, you'll see I go into quite a bit of detail on various practical options. In order to follow Cutler's protocol, one requires, at the minimum, Alpha Lipoic Acid for use as a chelator (particularly if mercury has reached the brain, which it invariably has), with the option of simultaneously using DMSA or DMPS if desired.

Within the present thread you will see I explain why, in the case of mercury chelation, it is unfortunately not ideal to use non-standardised, and insufficiently-researched chelation substances such as cilantro. One cannot accurately control dosage or blood levels (since the half-life has yet to be scientifically established), and thus redistribution is an ever-present hazard, and this can have fearful consequences if the redistribution occurs across the blood-brain barrier, into the delicate tissues of the brain.

All the best.

[rawamy]

http://www.holisticheal.com/media/do...mpa-sample.pdf

http://planetthrive.com/2009/06/glut...mple-approach/
http://planetthrive.com/2009/06/glut...ized-approach/

I can't say if this is your answer or not~~~ I have been looking into this stuff recently and all I can say is it seems worth looking at in your case. Good luck.

[kevin1986]

I take LIQUID MSM,twice a day

[janatmsn]

When I first started taking msm I felt worse than ever but I realized I wasn't drinking enough water. If
msm will detox your body you must drink a lot of water to wash out what has been cleansed from the
liver. When I started drinking more water I felt better almost immediately-otherwise those impurities are creating havoc in your body. I don't particularly like plain water an have added lemon juice to the water I drink and that can be a good thing because lemon is good liver detoxifier as well.

[chanvanessa]

Firstly sorry about what happened to your Mother in regards to the MSM powder. I do think though that one teaspoon was waaay too much. The typical msm capsule has far less than a teaspoon in it...less than even half of a teaspoon. It seems both you and here were badly misinformed. I know many people that take the capsules and they are very much ok with regular sleeping habits. MSM really isnt bad...its just that tooo much of it isnt good.

[chanvanessa]

Also....instead of taking msm orally for the hair or the skin, you can disolve the powder in virgin coconut or olive oil over very low heat and apply to the scalp or the skin. its just as effective that way as well.

[guinea pig]

first of all my heart goes out to yvette and hope she is doing well. I have been researching for awhile now about MSM and every search result comes up contrary to what i was looking for: "MSM helped my negative reaction to..." I feel so fortunate to finally find something truthful on the internet that can confirm what i felt all along that MSM screwed up my body. I too fell for all of the positive hype out there that MSM is completely safe and is not known to have any side effects. I was downing the stuff in smoothies everyday and feeling great! I told all of my friends that i found a silever bullet to all of my health woes. Then strange things started happening. I was hit with the worst case of hemorrhoids (never had those before!) I also developed cold sores, as that started going away after treating those symptoms i started to get horrible arthritic like pain in my fingers. the only thing that i felt i was doing differently was the msm so i stopped taking it. the pain subsided to some degree and the hemorrhoids and cold sores completely disappeared. the pain in my hands comes and goes but i hope it can be completely reversed.

i have been adding raw cilantro to my smoothies as i read tha tit is natures antibiotic and can help the body defend itself against cold and flu etc. I never thought i had heavy metal toxicity but now after reading this i am scared to death. Which sucks because i love the exotic taste of cilantro / asian food. There has got to be a happy medium...right now i am trying to just eat fruits and veggies and alkaline water to detox and heal my digestive tract thinking that would reverse any auto immune response my body was having to the rapid detox i was experiencing form the msm.

i realize this post goes backa number of years but i hope we can become more vocal about the danger of MSM, as well as western doctors not being such down down stream healers instead of actually working with patients to find the underlying causes of pain and illness. They are the ones who have so many to find their own answers to health and cause their bodies harm. All they want to do is prescribe medications and not listen to what patients are teling them. Hopefully someday natural and western medicine can work together more closely and learn form eachother into more comprehensive healing strategies.

[tomakin]

First - hello, I'm new on this forum. I'm not raw if anyony wonders, I'm vegetarian/vegan since ages, all in alternative medicine, I'm prescribing raw food as a parf of healing protocol sometimes.

About MSM - alot of people have such reaction, including me (this is why I'm here - I'm trying to google some additional informations). What I've found already - sulfur compete with calcium and potassium, and very high doses of this element can aggravate calcium deficiency, insomnia and constipations are symptoms of low calcium.

Our skeleton is build with calcium, it contains around 1 000 000 mg of it. If there is deficiency in bloodstream there is also very high chance that the skeleton is compromised as well - simple medical test (bone densitometry) can rule it out. Food alone can't reverse advanced osteoporosis, calcium supplements are required - among many other things, like vitamin D, boron, magnesium etc of course.

So' if someone experience insomnia, constipations and other signals of low calcium after MSM supplement, maybe it's time to run vitamin D test to check, if calcium is absorbed? With vitamin D level below 30 ng/dl we can't absorb minerals properly, including calcium, magnesium, iron and zinc. Maybe it's time to calculate dietary intake of calcium, and correct it if needed?

@Arky - I was able to cure completely alot of people with so called "mercury poisoning". It was NEVER mercury poisoning, they have had other problems. Not even in single case it was mercury. Main problem was convicing them to drop this mercury madness and actually check for other possibilities. One dude got terrible vitamin D deficiency, he didn't left home for years, working at his PC, other had hypothyroidism caused by iodine deficiency, one woman had very bad case of milk intolerance - and so on.Whole mercury thing is just a big hoax, sure, it's toxic and so on, but regarding amalgams fillings - there's almost exactly same chance of developing "amalgam caused diseases", like sclerosis multiplex, Alzheimer etc with 15 amalgams, as with 0. People with 10+ fillings have elevated risk of some diseases, but it can be easily explained - they had very poor health to start with, there is a reason why they got these fillings, isn't?. There is one heavy metal related to serious health problem - lead, and you can get rid of it within months. Then there's fluoride, and you can clean your body off it within weeks. But mercury? Cmon....

(sorry for my english)

[shellyprincipe]

Yvette, is your mom allergic to sulfa drugs. I read an article on Dr Mercola's website that if you are allergic to sulfa drugs,
you may have trouble with MSM because it is a type of sulfur.

Additionally he states that you keep in mind that there may be side effects because MSM can detoxify you, and that may
initially aggravate any condition you have, so he suggests that you increase dosage slowly to allow your body to adjust.

He also states that as with most supplements, quality is a concern when it comes to MSM as well, and recommends using woodpulp or tree-derived MSM.

[truth4u]

Yvette - I know that this is many years later; and, you may already have found out that your mom may have a different problem or may have solved her problem. However, I would like to tell you that your mom's symptoms of hair loss and lack of sleep mimic my hypothyroidism exactly.