No periods before raw
I am twenty and never had a period before in my life. One of the reasons I turned to raw was in hopes of finally getting a period. I went to a lecture and they said just to make sure I was get lemon (aka citrus fruits) and Oil. high quality oil. cold pressed and soaked nuts so that I can absorb you to ahe protien which in turn affects your female hormone gland allowing you to absorb calcium and other minerals important for having a period. hopefully this will work. I am very active so i figure this has something to do with it along with the fact my parents were both late bloomers.
if you are very active, and you are 20, and you never had your period, i think that means you have primary amhenorhea or however you spell it. my mom had that, too. she's an athlete. she got her period when she was 17. i think i remember reading that it has something to do with bmi muscle/fat ratio. don't quote me on that, though.
good luck. =)
interesting thread and great links/articles!
i WISH i didnt get my period. i have been raw for only 9 weeks and am PRAYING that staying raw will decrease it. i am 43. i get hot flashes daily. i added Maca to my daily smoothie about 3 wks ago. my periods are and have always been INSANELY heavy. like i have had to miss work b/c standing up after sitting creates a Niagra Falls situation that no product can contain. i have had to go home to change pants several times. its ridiculous. i dont know if its a form of detox or not. i just wish it would decrease drastically or stop altogether. for about a year i did take BCP's and didnt take the fake ones and i just "skipped" my period. that was wonderful. but i am quite sure not good for me, so i dont take them at all anymore.
some dogs DO bleed and they even sell little diaper/mini pad things for them, but most do keep themselves clean & its not very noticeable. it makes sense that feeding them raw would eliminate or at least decrease any bleeding.
i have often wondered how women dealt with this before the invention of pads and tampons. or if they just stayed pregnant and/or breast feeding all the time and so it wasnt really an issue. i hate it. i think females should get a higher tax deduction than men b/c of all the $ we HAVE to spend on products. haha.
thx for this informative thread!
You May Not Have A Problem
First of all, have you checked to see if you are ovulating? If you are then there is no need to continue with attempts to get your cycle because you already have it. If you aren’t then you may need to seek a qualified practitioner (I suggest Naturopath or TCM, Not a MD). If you don’t know how to tell then look up NFP; many people, including my wife and I, use this to prevent and/or achieve pregnancy by identifying signs your body gives in regards to your fertility. A great book on this is Taking Charge of Your Fertility by Toni Weschler.
Originally Posted by didi_dancer
I Think You Are Missing The Point
Originally Posted by RawkinOnSunshine
This is saying that, although they often correlate, your bloody discharge is not the same as having a cycle. Theoretically you can ovulate and discharge you menses without ever seeing blood. This doesn’t mean that you won’t have a cycle it just means that you want have a bloody discharge. And this would be an indicator of great health.
Originally Posted by Rufassa
BUT, if you put your body under too much stress, like your malnutrition example, then your body will stop ovulating all together and that is a sign of very poor health. BIG DIFFERENCE
I have heard multiple cases of raw foodiest with no, or minimal, discharge and I don’t think it is because they have cleaned there diet up too much and now have health issues. The best thing to consider here might be weather you ovulate every month which can be determined by tracking your basal temperature and/or cervical mucus. If you are ovulating then your body is doing what it is suppose to do, if you are not then you need to find out why but not having a bloody discharge is probably not an issue if you know that your cycle is otherwise normal.
Originally Posted by RawkinOnSunshine
Realize that Dogs that eat dog food, regardless of the quality, are not eating their optimal diet and would be similar to humans on the SAD. Dogs are carnivorous yet even the best quality dog foods are filled with (if not based in) corn, plus they have been processed, cooked, and many preservatives and other chemicals are added. The best quality dog food would be equivalent to adding salads to your baked chicken dinners (best of the worst). Now, if you are telling me that you know someone that feeds their dog fresh raw meet and the dog still bleeds then I may have to reconsider my position. But Wolves and wild dogs don’t bleed, why do you thin that is?
Originally Posted by Rufassa
Remember that domestic animals are also the only others that share our chronic diseases so it is not surprising that they share our bloody discharges as well.
not trying to hijack, but...the best kibble dog foods ARE meat based now and many are grain free (GO! Now! evo, Endurance, Innova) BUT yes, still cooked/processed. raw meat, preferaby with bones IS better & natural.
i dont know anyone who is feeding exclusively raw meat AND it would have to be organic--in order to see if those intact females would bleed on their heat cycles.
I Was Wrong (Well Kind Of)
I stand slightly corrected. Yes, there is a dog food that doesn’t contain corn but the EVO® Large Bites Dry Dog Food, that you consider as the best, does contain:
Originally Posted by ruffsongraw
Potatoes, Egg, Apples, Tomatoes, Carrots, Garlic, Alfalfa Sprouts, Dried Chicory Root, Natural Flavors, Potassium Chloride, Vitamins, Cottage Cheese, Minerals, Ascorbic Acid, Direct-Fed Microbials, Vitamin E Supplement, Lecithin and Rosemary Extract.
As well as some processed meats such as:
Chicken Fat, Turkey Meal, Chicken Meal, Herring Meal
So, although its main two ingredients are Turkey and chicken we realize that it is cooked and therefore no more a dog’s natural food than a hot dog is ours.
This is why I would say a dog that is not eating fresh killed game, or maybe organic meats, is not proof as to how nature normally functions. I actually see this as proof that it could be some form of detoxification for both a woman and a female dogs.
again, not to hijack, while you are right about raw being best for dogs too, the ingreds you listed are very much part of an "opportunistic carnivore" diet, which is what dogs are. cats are TRUE carnivores, dogs will, even in nature, eat MANY things besides flesh alone. but of course, not processed food. and only a couple of the brands of food i mentioned (evo is not "the best" IMO, but ONE of the best) have organic meat (maybe none do anymore. i sell only several of the brands above, none of which contain corn).
i would love to know tho, if its a form of detox in humnas OR in dogs. but only feeding 100% organic raw meat from day one would tell you for sure. and some dogs are so fastidiously clean that you might not know even if they were beleeding.
i would also love to find out that yes it is detoxing, b/c then it might mean that mine would ease up eventually some day!!! : }
arent there any nurse mid-wives or homeopaths on here that might know??
This is my first month going raw and im on my period and it's the first time i have NEVER felt cramps or discomfort. I'm quite happy. I think that periods help your body detox and the heavier they are the more toxic you are. A friend of mine eats tons of wheat and cheese and she can't function for the first 3 days she's on her period, she has to lay down and is constantly crying.
I find that i am very light and cramp free right now. I would hope that going raw gets rid of my periods!
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"Health is a natural state. If you have sickness, remove the causes. Health is the easiest thing on the planet. Eat fruits and vegetables, the most rewarding food there could ever be" - Dr. Graham
now THAT"S more motivation! Thx Veronica01!!
Very fair points, however there are a fair number of high quality dog foods that are crap free so to say. As in the one I feed my dog - no corn, holistic, etc. Yeah, not NEARLY as good as BARF but still better than fried chicken and fried potato and then fried ice cream for dessert...
Wild canines don't have periods? I didn't give a ton of thought to that. Can you cite a source? I'll look it up as well, but in that case I'm on the fence with this. And hoping mind will go away ;)
dogs are carnivores.
you can tell by their teeth, paws, and digestive tracts. it is made for flesh and bones.
Here is another interesting article on this topic
In fact, menstruation as most of us experience it is neither natural nor healthy. Ovulation does not depend on it. And it can be changed very much for the better - even to the extent of not experiencing it at all yet remaining healthy and fertile. How this can be done has been known and written about by health practitioners for centuries, and practiced just as long by women willing to make the simple but significant lifestyle changes involved.
So why haven’t most of us heard about this before?
It is because the lifestyle improvements involved, although simple, are quite a change from most modern women’s habits of living and eating. No drugs or even nutritional supplements are required, but what is essential is the adoption of what health writer Leslie Kenton calls a “high raw way of eating”.
Why do women menstruate - and what’s “normal” about it? During the days before a woman ovulates, the lining of the womb - the endometrium - thickens in preparation for a possible conception. If the egg released at ovulation passes through the womb unfertilized, the thickened endometrial tissues are not needed - and in a truly healthy woman, as in animals in their wild state, those tissues are mostly reabsorbed. What remains is expelled over a short period of time as a slight mucus discharge (2:28-29; 15:227).
The majority of women in modern cultures however, experience instead a copious disabling monthly bleeding - that neither their wild primate cousins nor humans living close to nature do (2:30; 15:232). Insightful doctors have long been aware that nature did not intend the ovulation cycle to be accompanied by cramping, nervous tension, or any of the long list of symptoms we’ve come to associate with “having a period” - let alone by the days of bloody flow we now accept as “normal”, but which they rightly call a hemorrhage:
“…menstruation…is a harmful hemorrhage involving the loss of vital fluid…. [The] conclusions of those [gynecologists] who have studied the subject are that, primarily and fundamentally, menstruation is a hemorrhage. NO authority on earth can successfully maintain that a hemorrhage is natural and normal, no matter in what part of the body it occurs.” (2:24)
“Hemorrhage is NOT a condition of health…. It is a pathological state and is always harmful and sometimes dangerous. Hemorrhage in the uterus is no more normal than is hemorrhage in the brain or lungs. It is less dangerous only because the uterus is less vital to the immediate welfare of the body.” (2:24)
It has also been long observed that not only do some apparently healthy women, even in our culture, never menstruate, but that non-menstruating women can be fertile and have healthy children. That is, ovulation does not require menstruation (2:28; 15:225). Natural Hygiene teacher Herbert Shelton noted this in his patients:
“I personally know one woman who is the mother of five children and she has never menstruated in her life. I know another who menstruated during her adolescent period, married a man who had changed his way of living to a truly natural life style, she joined him in his health regime and became a fine specimen of health and ceased menstruating. Thereafter she had three children, all delivered naturally and painlessly and never menstruated again in her life.” (2:28)
Menstruation as we know it IS common, so common it is “the norm”, and in that sense alone “normal”. But it certainly is not healthy - or necessary.
My situation is similar.. When I was doing the SAD, my periods stopped for up to 6 mos at a time (that happened twice, but sometimes I didn't get periods for 2-3 months).. And they have always been pretty heavy. As soon as I went Vegetarian, my period came back within a matter of a couple days, but was very thick & clotty & heavy (which makes sense after reading a lot of people's posts on this thread)... At this point, I am just looking forward to having less heavy, less clumpy periods. If I can get to where I don't bleed at all, then I will be exceedingly happy! But I would still be happy with less blood & less clotting.. It's so messy and just disgusting. :/ And, it is freaky. I'm happy to have my period at all right now, I just wish it wasn't the way it is! lol I will just look forward to them getting better.
Originally Posted by ruffsongraw
Rufassa, that article makes a lot of sense. Thanks for sharing it! That would definitely be the ideal.. Being healthy & fertile & not bleeding. I'd like more information about that!!!!!!!!! And how to achieve that!
I would also like to mention, since I haven't seen it mentioned before... If you are OVER weight, you can lose your periods, too. I think that's what happened to me.. And even though I am obviously not the shining example of perfect health (not even close! not yet anyway!), I feel better having my period than I did not having it.. As I mentioned before, I would love to get to the point where I didn't bleed at all, but still be healthy, so anyone with info on the subject, feel free to email it to me. :)
Last edited by iwuvmydoggy; 04-04-2009 at 03:29 PM.
It is normal to have clots in your period. Totally normal and healthy, not freaky or scary. Remember that your period is not blood. It is a thick uterine lining that nourishes a fertilized egg.
Originally Posted by iwuvmydoggy
All of us women need to end period bashing and period hate for once and for all. Getting your period is a beautiful thing! It is part of the natural cycle of life! It is a sign of your female vitality. Love it. Celebrate the rich red life-force of it. Don't be grossed out by your period ;) .