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  1. #1
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    Default Something we all know.....

    I don't know why but, this made me very teary. I think it was kind of a relief to finally start to realise all this after so many years of being ignorant. Whenever I see things like this I always feel rather emotional

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FPI7zdGdqo4

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    I am sorry this upset you.

    I come from a family of Doctors.

    If it weren't for Dr.s, I would NOT be here today.

    I would have a deformed had from a skating accident.

    I would have died from lead poisioning.

    My Mom would have died from cancer before I was born.

    My Dad would be dead 30 years ago.

    My son would have died from jaundice.

    I could go on and on.....


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    Thank you!
    In Light and Love,
    Sunshine :D
    www.sunshineboatright.com

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    I also kind of go both ways on this.

    I am glad that my son was able to get skull surgery so he could have a chance at a normal life but the original problem was caused by a doctor who was intent on sterilising me and my sister(s).

    I would have liked to have kept my gall bladder but I knew of no alternatives at that time. The doctors told me a little of what to do but not enough to save it - and then they acted like it was my fault! Why didn't they tell me about the real alternatives?

    I am glad that they took out my diseased adrenal gland and I have had more years of life.

    At this point in time however I am back on their Rx as there seems to be no natural way to deal with my suffering and I am very uncomfortable taking it. At least the Rx makes me well enough that I can make green smoothies every day and move about a bit - so I am hoping that eventually it will work out.

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    Thank you for posting this.

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    I have this on one of my old blog posts! It's a great video.

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    I've been mis-diagnosed twice and my liver hemmoraged (sp) from 13 years on the birth control pills. I don't go to doctors... been about 27 years or so now.

    Revvell

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    Thank you so much for posting this!

    I get very emotional too - it is so sad. Even though there are many tragedies in this life, this one is so deceptive that most people believe they are being helped and actually look up to the person and system who is harming them! (Not talking about acute trauma and a few exceptions)

    Revvell, 27 years! I am so impressed! It has only been about 10 years for me.

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    We don't use doctors that practice allopathically.

    I think one of the scary things is when people feel like they couldn't have survived without docs which is often untrue. You have to look at what got you there in the first place. The body is amazing and self healing given the proper tools. Of course this requires that we take initiative and give it those tools!

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    I also have benefited from doc's.
    If it weren't for doc's my mom and brother would have died many years ago from heart disease (both still alive). My dad would have died years before he did.
    I would have died from an etopic pregancy, and probably would have already had a heart attack or stroke if my blood pressure issue and cholesteral hadn't have been discovered early and addressed. (I'm now trying to take care of this via herbal, diet, exercise etc.)
    My son would have died at 3 months from RSV if it weren't for the fantastic people (doctors and nurses) who helped him. No natrual or herbal process would have been able to accomplish what the doctors did for him. period.

    On the other hand, I also believe there are many "quacks" out there and we as the consumer have the right to "fire" any doctor we do not trust or are suspect of at any time. And it is our responsibility to oursevles when a doctor is needed to find one that is trustworthy and capable.

    I do try to use and practice as much homeopathic, natural cures and herbs when ever possible. But there are times when a doctor, good trusted doctor is needed.
    just my thoughts :)

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    i guess that's my point (and I'm not picking on you AT ALL here)

    Do you think if you had been eating raw (or at least very cleanly-no processed anything) all your life, and you parents before you so that you were grown in a clean body you would have had cholesterol, blood pressure or heart issues?

    If your body was functioning at optimum level would you have had an ectopic pregnancy?

    Would your son have been as sick?

    There's no judgment here, I certainly don't have the answers. Just asking the questions...

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    Besides the people who actually do die/are harmed because of modern medicine (more info below), there is also a difference with being kept alive and living in health. There are many people who have reversed the most serious diseases with aggressive natural healing methods, especially nutrition who are also alive when they would have died much earlier, but the key difference is that they are now living in health - not maintaining disease.

    http://www.deathbymodernmedicine.com/

    "Death by Modern Medicine" is the winner of the 2006 Independent Publisher Book Awards, Most Progressive Health book. See Press Release

    "Death by Modern Medicine" was written by Dr. Carolyn Dean MD, ND, and Trueman Tuck, Rights Advocate, and goes far beyond the statistics of deaths due to drugs. It shows how the allopathic medical monopoly has created a Health Care system that fails to encourage good health, especially by prevention. "Death by Modern Medicine" documents the tales of propaganda, health care bureaucracy, and the focus on profits instead of healing. It shows, statistically, that the number 1 killer in North America, is in fact, one of the most heavily regulated products, services and facilities industry in North America - The Allopathic Medical Disease Industry.

    YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT "THEY" WANT YOU SICK AND DYING EXPENSIVELY.

    You will find, in this 400 plus page book, the starting steps to understanding the difference between a "profit from disease" health care focused business and a patient centered health care system. "Death by Modern Medicine" provides the evidence from the "Allopathic Investment Industrys" own data that the worst "Pandemic" in modern times is deliberately not only created, but also perpetuated by the "Allopathic Disease Investment Industry " interests, AND by government and public sector unions. Dr. Carolyn Dean is a medical doctor, naturopathic doctor, herbalist, acupuncturist, nutritionist, and the author of over 12 books. She is a powerful health activist fighting for our collective health freedom.
    Dr. Dean’s work on “Death by Medicine” stunned the health community and propelled her into greater advocacy regarding the abuse of medications, the suppression of dietary supplements, and the medical monopoly. Dr. Dean feels that being informed is the first step toward solving our current health care crisis.

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    I, as well as many family members, have also benefited from doctors. I was born in the 1950's a premie born when my mother was only at 6 1/2 months of her pregnancy. I weighed just a little over 2 1/2 lbs. and suffered from serious upper respiratory problems. From what I was told it was almost unheard of for a baby born with those issues to survive in the 1950's. Also, through no fault of our own some of us are born with chronic debilitating diseases that need to be addressed through medication and doctor office visits.

    I guess I take a different view. While I believe there are a lot of quacks out there I feel that doctors have their place. And of course the drug companies are in business to make money. That's what businesses do - whatever they need to do to serve and benefit their own purpose and that of their stock holders. I think it stinks that the drug companies are allowed to operate like that - but that's the way it is here in America.

    I don't mean to sound cold - BUT - we have a responsibility to take care of our bodies so that if we're lucky we don't need drugs and constant visits to the doctor and we won't have to fall prey to unscrupulous doctors and drug companies.

    I know when I am abusing my body and I have to take responsibility for and suffer the consequences of that. Period. Personally, I don't want to put any more money into the pockets of the doctors or drug companies than is completely unavoidable. That's why I am working so hard to improve my lifestyle and making the changes I need to make.

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    firefaery: The answers to your non-judgemental quetions.

    Do you think if you had been eating raw (or at least very cleanly-no processed anything) all your life, and you parents before you so that you were grown in a clean body you would have had cholesterol, blood pressure or heart issues? Not sure. Yes my mom and dad probably did abuse their bodies as far as in the fifties everyone smoked (crazy). However, with my brother, who never smoked, he was told by the doctors that he had aged veins, that is veins that are the age of a 80 year old man. He was born with them, Hmph? Could raw eating prevented that, I don't know. I doubt it.

    If your body was functioning at optimum level would you have had an ectopic pregnancy? I have not researched how raw or well eating would affect an embyro implanting iteself into the tube. I'll have to research.

    Would your son have been as sick? YES! I do not know if you know much about RSV. It's a nasty little virus that invades a babies body. My son was a very HEALTHY child (9.2 0z - ouch). He was on mothers milk from birth through his illness. If the doctors did not go into his body every hour, with tubes through his nasel passages into his lungs, sucking out all the infection, he would not be here. I bless all those who worked on my son.

    There's no judgment here, I certainly don't have the answers. Just asking the questions... really?

    I beleive each person is blessed with having their own opinions in this country and the right to speak said opinions. I also believe some people are born with bodies that are not perfectly healthy for whatever reason (even from parents who were raw/vegan/good lifestyle etc.). People can have health issues that are and are not heritary.

    I guess where I'm going with this is: Yes drug companies are in it for the money and I beleive push to keep people on thier drugs.
    Yes, many health issues can be addressed via diet and lifestyle.....but not all.
    Yes, there are some true idots out there that call themselves doctors....then their are some who are good at what they do and add value to life.
    If anyone in my faimly needs a physician for a serious issue, you bet I'll take them. Irregardless of lifestyle, if it keeps them alive, I'll be knocking at the door.
    I as a intelligent adult (or at least I think I am ) have been graced by God with a logical mind and source in which to make educated decisions about my life and health (care).

    I hope that answered your questions, clearly a differnce of opinion which is wonderful. I do not have the answers either. Everyone has a passion and I beleive they should live that passion.

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    Totally agree that there are need for doctors, especially for acute trauma, and I would not hesitate to use their services if truly needed. (Understanding when it is truly needed requires knowledge about natural health and nutrition which is not taught in our society). This video is pointing out the harm and deception of the system as a whole. This system tells people who need health care that they do not have choices (only modern medicine is standard care in this country) for anything that has to do with their health, and the system has deceptively managed to gain the trust of most people, and in some cases, force them or scare them into compliance.

    This is a great article - http://www.newstarget.com/001967.html Entertaining and educational cartoons on this website!
    This is a must see - http://www.mercola.com/townofallopat...ofallopath.htm

    I do understand that this is a very complicated issue and there are many variables. I used to think differently than I do today until I started researching after my Mom was diagnosed with breast cancer years ago. It took me many years of studying and experiencing to understand this on a deeper level. We have been taught to believe what we believe, and it is not until we search out the answers on our own that we will be able to make informed choices about our health. Not saying that I know all the answers, but I do know that in most cases, there is a better way than standard medical care whether are not it is known or chosen or even desired - but that should be up to the individual to decide when they seek out 'health' care from someone they believe is knowledgable about health. But, they are not given choices if they rely on standard medical care practicing doctors for health information. They are not even getting health information, only disease care. There are more and more doctors who have educated themselves beyond medical school as well as others in the industry who are helping people actually achieve health. They are leading the way for change - just wish it were happening a little faster!

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