Osteoporosis

[alicemagooey]

WOW.. thanks for the lovely response,Styersky..

i am SO SO glad that you noticed and read and pointed out the article which i posted, because i really think it was terrific..

sometimes i think i blab so much that the good information is lost for my blabbing..

Thank you for bringing it to peoples attention.

OH< I AM SO DELIGHTED that you told me about your health food store experience.. I HAD NO IDEA.. that you were involved so , um intimately, with the 'business'..

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT ALL THE 'SNAKE OILS', and 'HYPE' going around the health food industry. AND IT DOES SEEM LIKE MOST PEOPLE 'JUST WANT TO MAKE A BUCK' rather than really wanting to make something which will really help people..!!!
It is really sad..
I personally live a really simple life..and stay away from most of the things promoted with hype..
I think we really DO have the HEALER within us.

But still, until we come IN TOUCH, directly and intimately with that HEALER, we are basically just trying our best, and seeking help from other individuals in similar circumstances...so that is where i am at the moment.

I , like you , just want to do all i can do for my particular circumstance, and if i can be of help to others, then that is good. I do not want people to suffer..because we can sure do a lot of harm to ourselves..I know that from personal experience.

Thank you for being so kind and gentle in your response.!

To your good Health and fulfillment of your desires,Styersky.!
alice

[styersky]

If you are enjoying the Over 50 Forum you might want to thank Alissa for doing this for us. She was so happy to work with us and I really appreciate it as I think you are. This is the email address if you want to thank her:
alissa@alissacohen.com

[okgirl]

Here is a link you might be interested in. I was researching scoliosis (deformity of the back) , which I have had as long as I can remember. The lady on this website goes into her personal experience and researching. She states if you have scoliosis it puts you at a high risk for osteopenia /osteoporosis, because they are related.

http://www.ctds.info/osteopenia.html

I like the over 50's new home. Carol

[alicemagooey]

carol...i could not bring up the link you gave.when i tried it..

i will try it once more..


alice

[Cinnamon]

i am about to order a book..i hesitate to mention it.,as i have not yet ordered it..but it looks really good.. i suppose i could give you a report after i read it..

the title of the book is "Senior fitness."

The author is a raw vegan lady who is 74 i believe, and who has run some marathons and things, and did much of the fitness and diet changes late in life, after having been diagnosed with cancer..

So it sounds like she has been through many medical issues..And it seems that she is stil fit as a fiddle. So i imagine there are some real nuggets to be learned from what she has to say.

I LOVE this book and bought it as soon as it came out. I have Ruth's other books too and have followed her and her story for many years. I've also emailed her and received very helpful responses.

The book is great, I've loaned it to many of my (middle aged) friends and it give a good overview of just what we can do with our bodies as we age to stay fit and trim and really keep right on enjoying our lives the best we can.

Ruth is an amazing woman, still doing marathons and triathlons and she looks great too! She is a raw vegan with the exception of a very few things and has been vegan since she was in her 40's and went through her breast cancer experience.

[Lavendula]

[QUOTE=alicemagooey;324096]Please,
everyone..

TELL ME if you think i am nothing but a big blabbermouth.. because sometimes i feel like i am one.
I will shut up if you want me to..
honest..
sometimes i just feel like i should say something..especially as we become friends..more on the group..

I am at home with other " blabbermouths" as I have been I told am giving TMI, but if someone doesn't care to know what I have to say, they don't have to listen. You have shared so much helpful info with the group, touching on many different areas. I'm sure we are all grateful. I have always done heavy work, and gardening, shoveling, digging, etc. I have always loved and eaten greens, and sardines. I have eaten very little dairy products over the last 20 + years, and only started taking cal/ mag supps, about 7 years ago, and not consistently either. I had a dexiscan bone density test in Feb at a HFS and mine was higher than anyone he had seen all day, and a good bit better than my 28 year-old daughter. I also nursed 3 babies exclusively, two til age 2, no bottles. Never had a broken bone, just gardening related joint injuries. But I am only 48.

[styersky]

Guess we must be somewhat of a blabbermouth to be here blabbing. Must be the reason we are here. We enjoy sharing our thoughts and enjoy reading about the thoughts of others.

Alice had mentioned a book "Senior Fitness" which I have ordered and can't wait to read it. I believe it will be motivational for all of us seniors. I recently had outpatient surgery (meniscus repair) on my left knee and am so anxious to get back to some kind of exercise. So I believe this book will be just what I need to get me into a new routine and maybe protect my knees a bit better. Exercise will help with osteoporosis problems I believe.

I finally ordered Alissa's book also and it is great. I had hesitated due to the cost but found a gift certificate from Barnes & Noble which I had forgotten about. It is worth the money.

[SharonC]

Styersky, Glad you are feeling better and on the road to recovery! Hope they treated you well. Sometimes you have to let them know you are the boss!

I am going to order that book for my Mom. Thanks Alice for recommending it!

I agree, Alissa's book is great - well worth it!

[styersky]

Thanks, Sharon . . . yes the surgery and recovery has gone very well. We have a great Orthopedic Surgeon. I am pretty well back to normal now except for some occasional stiffness in the knee. We are so very thankful that I chose to check into the problem so quickly rather than taking the chance of further damage involving cartilage. As we now understand there was no cartilage damage, only meniscus. So future joint damage is not in the picture. I am usually one that wants everything fixed before there is a problem, and this time we are very thankful.

Glad you ordered the book for your Mom. I have heard previously what a good book it is. Will let you know what I think!

[styersky]

I may be interested in a vegan calcium supplement.

Any suggestions?

[nfracer]

I recently had outpatient surgery (meniscus repair) on my left knee and am so anxious to get back to some kind of exercise. So I believe this book will be just what I need to get me into a new routine and maybe protect my knees a bit better. Exercise will help with osteoporosis problems I believe.

I too have osteoporosis at the ripe age of 40! I was diagnosed 2 1/2 years ago. I had surgery 2 days ago to remove a metal plate, rod, and screws from my femur that had "fixed" my broken femoral neck in a fall 1/5/06. It healed quickly but began bothering me this summer. The rod was creating a "halo" around it from the impact of my running. So, 2 days ago, out it came. As far as recovery, just listen to your body. In my experience the doctors have to err on the side of caution when it comes to "doing things"...You should try some stretching and light resistance right now. Do you have the stretch pt bands? Those help. Plus arm weights and ab work are always acceptable right now and will help you recover. Getting the blood flowing to the area of injury helps you to repair and recover so try to get around a little bit. As far as the osteoporosis are you on any type of teatment? I was against it for a few years but did agree to "forteo" which is a daily injection of parathyroid hormone which I was deficient in anyway. It is supposed to rebuild bone density 12-17% in a two year period (which is what I have already lost) I realize many herein don't agree with any type of artificial Rx but the fact of the matter for me was I was strictly raw for 20 months with no improvement (only deterioration!) so I agreed to it and must admit I am feeling better. However, in defense of "raw" I was "turned off" from raw from mid-April until the end of this summer and felt even worse. So, I am re-committed to the raw lifestyle and supplementing with calcium + the daily forteo injections until at least May when my bone density will be re-done.....Good luck with your rehabilitation! We'll hobble along together! Bend that knee!

[SharonC]

This link will take you to the osteoporosis thread where I posted information -
http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthrea...145#post319145

Copied the following regarding calcium supplements from my post (link above)...

If feel the need for extra calcium this one is different as it is calcium from whole food herbs and in a highly absorbable form - http://www.startthehealing.com/store/Nutrition.html

Am not familiar with this product or company, but it looks promising - http://www.algaecal.com/why-algaecal.htm Interesting guarantee on this product: http://www.algaecal.com/order.htm

One of the recommendations from my pharmacist friend who works at one of the largest compounding pharmacies in the country. Her job is to help people with natural alternatives to drugs -
*Supplement if needed - how much depends on diet. She recommends, http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=498. It is actually made from bone. They also have a vegetarian formula http://www.evitamins.com/product.asp?pid=916, but she did not mention it.

This article that I referenced in the past thread has several excellent recommendations for reversing osteoporosis - http://www.drlam.com/opinion/osteoporosis.cfm

It seems to me that reversing osteoporosis quickly would require aggressive measures - several of the recommendations in the article above along with a raw diet that includes lots of green leafy vegetables. Juicing would be even better with much faster results.

Regarding drugs, they are very aggressive in the wrong direction! If following a natural protocol instead of drugs to reverse a disease process, it requires aggressive measures as well (in the right direction)!

If I were reversing osteoporosis, I would seriously consider progesterone. Copied from the Dr. Lam article above...

"There is only one compound that we currently know of that will increase bone strength and density by promoting the growth of osteoblast, and this is natural progesterone. The use of natural progesterone to treat osteoporosis was pioneered by Dr. John Lee, who suggested that osteoporosis in women is due to the decreasing level of progesterone and not estrogen. Dr. Lee’s research points out that most women over 65 still have adequate estrogen to inhibits bone loss ( though not enough to cause ovaluation). But at the age of approximately 35, the body’s progesterone production decline drastically. That is also the age of peak bone production in women. After that, it declines. By age 50, the body’s progesterone level is extremely low.

His associate Jerilyn Prior, MD found evidence of progesterone’s possible role in countering the effect of osteoporosis in a study of 66 pre-menopausal women aged between 21and 41. All of these women were long distance marathon runners. It was observed that after 12 months of therapy that their average spinal bone density decreased by about 2%. However, women who developed ovulation disturbances lost 4.2% of their bone mass in one year. While there is no correlation between the rate of bone loss and serum level of estrogen, there was a close relationship between the indicators of progesterone status and bone loss. It appears that the progesterone deficiency rather than estrogen deficiency is the major factor in the pathogenesis of menopausal osteoporosis. Dr. Lee believes that a transdermal method is the best way to get natural progesterone safely into the body.

The efficacy of natural progesterone is verified by a three-year study of 63 post-menopausal women with osteoporosis. Women using transdermal progesterone cream experienced an average 7-8% bone mass density increase in the first year, 4-5% the second year, and 3-4%, the third year. The untreated women in this age category typically lose 0.7- 2% bone density per year.

Nutritional Supplement Consideration:

Women (Postmenopausal): 20 mg of USP Natural Progesterone a day for 25 days a month

Women (Pre or Peri-menopausal): 20 mg of USP Natural Progesterone a day for Day 14-28 of a 28-day cycle.

Men: 5 mg of USP Natural Progesterone a day everyday of the month."

[luckitri]

Thank you SharonC. The progesterone cream is great! I have posted about it here before. I improved while on daily steroids (which eat bone) with that cream.

[alicemagooey]

Hello all..

I wanted to ask of you , Luckitri and SharonC..about the progesterone cream.

i have some.it is called
PROGESTA PLUS
BY AARISE HEALTH CARE PRODUCTS,
http://www.healthyhormones.com

does this look like a good brand???

. Directions say:"use daily for one month on and one month off,"

OH DEAR, I JUST RE READ THE INSTRUCTIONS..IT SAID USE FOR ONE MONTH AND THEN LEAVE OFF FOR FIVE DAYS AND THEN RE CONTINUE.

oh well,.i am re commencing.
This sounds like a good idea.

please let me know if you think this is an ok brand.
It seems to have other things in it..
opionion would be appreciated.

PS THANK YOU SHARON C FOR ALL THE OSTEOPOROSIS INFO.
DR LAMS PLACE SEEMS REALLY GOOD IN TERMS OF WHAT WE NEED TO
do supplement-wise.

I had a couple thoughts on this, however.

I think if we embark on RAW that we ought to use
www.fitday.com or such, and fill in what our actual diets are comprised of, on a regular basis.. and look and see if the nutritional requirements are met by our raw diet FIRST before supplementing.

I have found by experience that i have AMPLE.. AND MORE THAN AMPLE vitamin K , just on green smoothies and my raw diet.

no matter how many green smoothies i drink, and greens, i still am somewhat deficient in calcium and magnesium.
So i supplement these.. But not in the mega doses recommended by doctors.. just enough to bring the counts up using fitday...as my frame of reference.

Nothing raw provides me with vitamin D..i live in the North, so sun may do a bit but not all in this regard;so i supplement this with a vegan form of vitamin D.

i think if we follow the excellent ideas found in this thread, that we will all at least see some form of improvement..
(all other lifestyle factors taken into consideration, of course, obviously, as there are many things which effect our lives other than diet and excercise.)
(But these sure are key.)
THANKS TO ALL.. all and every submission welcomed..as we are all still learning..
heck, after diet and excercise, we may tackle stress issues.. he he

um, "tilt.."

cheerio !
alice

[luckitri]

Hi Alice. The kind I take when I can get it is Ess ProL'eve. I get it from International Health in Scottsdale AZ. 1-800-481-9987 On the bottle it says how to use as per Dr Lee's directions. I met them at a seminar they gave with Dr. Lee as the speaker.

I do not understand products that have soy in them as yours does because in recent years we have been told that soy blocks calcium absorption. However there are many out there like yours that have the soy isoflavones. I just have not learned why they help with the product.

All this stuff is changing constantly and we just do the best we can.