I am reading more and more that we do not need to eat massive amounts of fruit, even RAW. Unlimited vegetables. I was eating many, many servings of fruit but now that I am into acid alkaline balance I am beginning to cut down to maybe 10% of calories from fruit. I do not have really good info on alkaline and acidity and info from any of you would be appreciated.
For instance, I read on page 30 of "The Acid Alkaline DIet for Optimum Health" by Christopher Vasey, N>D> "If your first urination of the day is neutral rather than acidic, you are suffering from acidification and should apply the necessary measures to address this problem, with particular emphasis on the elimination of acids by the skin and kidneys. In fact, in this case an important piece of the problem resides in the eliminatory weakness of these organs." What does that mean?
My first urination of the day as all day is 7 to 7.5.
I read some posts here that indicate there are others just like me.
Okay . . . give us some comments and information about this, Please.
Thank all of you so much for sharing what you know as we all learn.
Since our bodies work hard while we sleep and rest, they may be more acid first thing in the morning? Young goes into such detailed explanations about this in his book, but I've lent my copy out. I think most people who have been eating SAD for any length of time are acidic. Testing several times a day gives a good idea of the range.
THIS POST IS IN RESPONSE TO PAST POSTS CONCERNING THE RELATIVITY ACIDITY AND ALKALINITY OF FRUITS AND VEGETABLES.. NOT FROM STYERSKY'S MOST RECENT POST FROM THE BOOK ABOUT THE ACID AND ALKALINE DIET.
well, i try to post either from personal experience or something i have read repeatedly..
yes, i have read that cooked tomatoes are acid forming, but i wanted to repeat myself, and repeat what Styersky found in her research, that fruits which are not fully vine or tree ripened are either acid forming, or less alkaline than they should be.
i stick by this, because i have eaten tomatoes with green seeds ( because tomatoes were picked green and allowed to ripen off the vine ) and had an immediate reaction.. Whereas i have been eating fully vine ripened tomatoes for the past few days with no such reaction.
I have read nothing about the sugar in fruits being acid forming.. I have just looked at numerous charts where the fruits and vegetables are listed. They are broken down as to how much they have an alkaline reaction on the body.. Most fruits and vegetables ( and once again, i would stress well-ripened) have an alkaline reaction. There are some which have more of an alkaline reaction to the bodily systems than do others. The people who make the tests have drawn up charts for our benefit. I have found most of the charts to be very very similar...with some minor differences.
This is scientific as far as how the different fruits and vegetables react on the bodily systems....
Of course, when making the tests, the fruits or vegetables are each eaten ALONE on an empty stomach by those making the tests. The patients are tested often as to their ph levels of both urine and saliva.They often use laboratory settings
These professionals are not 'talking off the top of their heads,' (these people who research such like things)..
They test each fruit and each vegetable on human bodily systems, noting the ph values of the urine and saliva of the people being tested..
That is how research is done.
That is how charts are drawn up.
For us to sit around and speculate "such and such a thing" seems to me to be pretty silly, because they have the proof in the lab tests.
As far as reacting differently for different people, i did mention that stress also makes peoples systems acid.. as do other environmental issues.
But even these conditions can be helped by eating an abundance of the most alkaline fruits and vegetables.
Also, eating habits of people might change an individual's results.
1..Eating a large number of meals ,( even of fruits and vegetables ) without allowing sufficient time for digestion. can cause an overload of body functions, which would cause an acid conditon.
2.Eating in a rush, could make a person more acid.
3.Eating too many combinations of different fruits and vegetables could tax the digestive system, and thus cause an acid condition.
But the test results of the individual fruits and vegetables and their acid and alkaline reactions to bodily systems is something which i do believe is a
SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN FACT..by tests taken repeatedly on many peoples bodys, of the effects.
If people want to keep conjecturing, i guess they are free to do so.
but it seems kinda silly.
but maybe that is only me.
Last edited by alicemagooey; 08-28-2007 at 12:57 PM.
Fruit is great, it is just not as high in alkalizing forming minerals (calcium, potassium, magnesium, etc.) as most vegetables (especially dark leafy greens). The information you read about vine ripened is probably because it was able to take in more nutrients before it was picked. When it is not allowed to vine ripen, it is probably less alkaline forming. But, fruits contain many important nutrients.
Just make sure you are getting lots of mineral rich vegetables - leafy greens and sprouts... lots of variety. This is why the GREEN SMOOTHIES are soooo important. And as I mentioned in the green smoothies thread, there are 2 medical doctors that I know of who recommend them and have written that blending provides about 4 times the nutrients as just eating the food. Also, would be a good idea to take a quality green food supplement (I like to alternate just in case). The soil that food is grown in today is lacking in nutrients, and the food is picked too early and shipped from far away places resulting in lower nutrients in the food. Great to grow vegetables and fruits that are easy to grow in your area. It is very rewarding and fun! Gardening is also great exercise!!
Did you see my post about how easy it is to grow parsley and purslane? Kale is easy too - grows well in cold weather.
Dr Young leaves many questions...
I have read the two main ph-miracle books of Dr Young.
Although there is a lot of very good information, there is for example no register (or no good register, i can't remember), there are almost no scientific references, and a lot of topics/questions are not answered.
Neither is there good communication via his website. It's all about business.
One of the questions left is if people following a 80/10/10diet (with a LOT
of fruit) are acidic.
This is a brief general explanation of what I understand about this issue as it relates to diet...
The raw food diet is very high in alkaline forming foods and very low in the most acid forming foods, so it should not be terribly difficult when following the raw food diet to eat the recommended 75% - 80% alkaline forming and 20% to 25% acid forming foods. The most alkaline forming foods are the ones highest in minerals - vegetables and especially dark leafy GREENS. It is minerals (such as calcium, magnesium, and potassium) that are needed to keep the blood perfectly balanced without it having to rob minerals from bones and tissues. If the body was not forced to go into survival mode, many diseases would not exist. The body is desperately trying to maintain balance and works very hard to keep the pH of our blood between about 7.35 - 7.45 (a very tight window), or we would die. If the body is unable to keep the blood at this alkaline level with the resources given to it, then it must use mineral reserves from within the body - that is when it robs the minerals in the bones and tissues to keep the blood at this alkaline pH. "Since blood pH absolutely can not vary too much, if the body is struggling to maintain the more alkaline pH it thrives at, this will first show up in the urine and next at the cellular level. For this reason, the pH of saliva and urine are the two solutions most often tested to check on a person's pH."
As has been said by others, there are other factors...
"Including food, there are many factors that affect pH, including some that are often unknown or neglected. Since the tendency of modern diet and lifestyle is to make our bodies too acidic, the challenge is to make the body more alkaline. Here a few things that will make us more alkaline (even though good health does require various acid-forming activities and foods):
*Chewing food well, especially carbohydrates, since their digestion, aided by saliva, begins in the mouth
*Eating food raw
*Not cooking food too much
*Calmness (anger makes us acidic)
*Drinking water with a negative polarity
*Drinking water with alkaline-forming minerals in it
*Eating most fruits and vegetables, especially those low in sugar
*Eating less sugar, candy bars, white rice and white flour (which are acid-producing)
*Eating less fats (which are acid-producing, due to fatty acids)
*Eating less protein (which is acid-producing, although plant protein is less so)
*Avoiding most legal and illegal drugs (which are mostly acid-producing)
*Avoiding stress and anger (these are extremely acid-producing)
*Body manipulation, such as acupressure (deep massage can be acidifying when acids are released)
*Limiting very strenuous exercise (which can produce large amounts of lactic acid)
*Most alternative healing methods"
Sharon thanks for sharing this info..
It is good the scientists have done extensive laboratory research on the alkaline and acid effects of various foods upon the body. Micro-biologists and others such as Dr. Young are a big help to those of us trying to reach optimal health. I also base my opinions in regards to a raw foods diet on personal experience and sometimes on things I have read. But original ideas from "non-experts" often contain a great deal of intuitive wisdom and I look forward to the exchange of these raw gems in the forums!
Sharon C. . . very good info. THANKS! I am new to RAW and the whole philosophy and really enjoy reading and learning. I do not know that I get enough variety and/or greens. But it seems that if I consume capsulated or powdered greens, then I am using processed foods. Maybe heated, etc. What is your opinion. I have some capsules and 9 per day is recommended. A bit expensive and maybe the powder would be economical, but I do not know about the processing that gets it into a powder or capsule. Just not much into pills or supplements of any kind. Maybe I just don't know enough to make good decisions.
I, too, enjoy the exchange of ideas and experiences which we enjoy here on the Forum. Could not dare the challenge without interaction with others. And it is great that we of similar ages can share feelings here on our very own forum!
Originally Posted by JenniferMooreFuller
Styersky...Alissa sells a green foods powder dried at safe, low heat.
Alissa's green food looks great! The quality green foods will say that they are processed carefully at low temperatures. It is always a good idea to purchase from a company that you trust.
Originally Posted by JenniferMooreFuller
Just ordered some. Can't believe I did that. I am so opposed to "processed" and it's hard to get it that it's okay. But I am going to give it a try. I am so determined to beat Osteoporosis without fosomax. And I hope this is a big step toward doing that, along with exercise, exercise, exercise!
Originally Posted by SharonC
Appreciate so much all of the encouragement here in this Forum!
Yes.. WOW and WOOHOO.. Good on you Styersky.!!
I am not sure about urine ph, but yours sounds very very good!
What do your books say???
it sounds like you are doing things correctly !!!
That is so good..so very good indeed.
A while back i mentioned that i take alfalfa powder, and it is sold by a reputable herbalist ( gave the reference in a past post) .
Real herbalists dry their herbs and greens below 100 degrees F.
( mentioned that also)
( I do understand that there is so, so much to learn and so much 'coming at us' all at once., i know)
Alissas greens.. i need to go and take a look see.
she really knows her information, and i am sure she has compiled something really good..
She probably has good vegan capsules..which not all places have.
I like the powdered supplements, myself, because they are easy to put a tblsp into a smoothie.alfalfa is full of micronutrients and is often overlooked.
I just tried to dig an old alfalfa plant out of my garden, and the roots seemed to go down to another country..!!
More than any old barley or wheat plant that i have ever seen.
so i figure it must be really good.( Sources say that it is)
I have to go and check out some green things now.
congratulations on the good work to you and
ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE POSTED HERE..SO FULL OF GOOD INFO AND KINDNESS
it has been REALLY REALLY HELPFUL INFO, AND COMRADERIE HERE AT THIS NEW GROUP is outstanding.!!
BEST WISHES WITH A BIG COLLECTIVE HUG to all
Last edited by alicemagooey; 08-28-2007 at 06:03 PM.
I second what Alice said - good for you Styersky!
Yes, I am sure that it is very difficult to absorb all this new information in such a short amount of time. I learned much of this slowly over many years and am still studying and learning. Sometimes it takes awhile for me to implement something new as well. I know with my Mom, she needs to be reminded about some things too!
I have been telling my Mom about all of you learning all of this on your own after being programmed differently all your lives! Very inspiring!!