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    Quote Originally Posted by Linda1970 View Post
    Are they both raw vegan/vegetarian?
    Oh no, sorry. They are ANYTHING eaters. I think its an interesting concept- especially if you start the dog off that way. Big dogs like mine would cost more than feeding my own children. I am struggling with that and thats enough for me- as my kid yells for cheerios from the next room .

    Just feeding my little dog home cooked instead of bagged food. I am going to try the avocados on him though.:)
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    Default Dogs are not human, not feeding them meat is cruel

    Dogs are not human, have different nutritional needs, eg. taurine. To impose our own ethical constructs on them as a different species, and they are predators that would naturally eat meat in the wild to boot, is unrealistic, unnatural and cruel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyrie View Post
    Dogs are not human, have different nutritional needs, eg. taurine. To impose our own ethical constructs on them as a different species, and they are predators that would naturally eat meat in the wild to boot, is unrealistic, unnatural and cruel.

    Carla

    Yah, I also read about this. So, I'm kind of confused. It seems that a few has fed dogs vegan, and the dogs are thriving. I don't know, this is really frustrating, and that is why I haven't gotten the dog yet.
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    Default Carla

    I agree with you, Carla. I've been watching this thread, sort of rolling my eyes and biting my tongue.

    I think they're probably omnivores. In the wild, they'd eat other animals but would also eat fruits and grains and grasses.

    I'd worry more about cats, which are definitely carnivores.

    I don't know.. I wouldn't feed my dog a vegan diet. However, I've read accounts of people doing it and the dogs don't have problems... yet.

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    wild dogs and cats get their vegetative matter from the stomachs of animals they kill in the wild. i feed my two boxers raw, free-range chicken.
    a brand of food they absolutly love (if you can't stand the thought of having meat in your fridge) is wysong. they sell this freeze dried stuff that my two love. it's a bit on the expensive side, but they're my babies and worth it. you can mix it with hot water and it forms a gravy. but they do love my fruits and veggies, especially when they come out of the dehydrator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maraw View Post
    My dogs went through a detox for about three weeks. It was kind of hard on them, but now they love their meals. In the morning, I also give our lab a banana. His snacks are dates and Brazil nuts. My friends and family just laugh, but no one can argue that standard commercial dog food is going to be healthier. I just let them laugh - I know my pups are happier for it.

    Good luck!
    I've been trying to introduce raw to my baby girl (wire hair terrier mix). She loves bananas. She really won't eat much other kinds of fruits. She will taste but if she doesn't like it she just plays with it. lol With all this dog food scare and all the recalls, I'd love to switch her over. I've been told that commercial dog food is balanced with all the right amount of enzymes, blah, blah, blah....but I know that I'd feel better if I could transition her into raw somehow. I am curious what kind of detox your dogs went through.
    Also..do you know what is good for treating heart worms?
    Jeannie:)

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    I've been thinking, if I feed my dog raw meat and he licks people, isn't that kind of dangerous? He can pass along dangerous bacteria.
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    Wow, Linda, interesting point. As I mentioned earlier, we feed our dogs primarily raw (they get meat twice a day). I wipe their paws and mouths after they eat and haven't had a problem. My puppy is definitely a licker but we've had no problems at all and our dog comes into contact with a fair number of people daily (on average 10). (We have the blessing of taking our dogs to the office with us.)

    I think part of the key to success with the dog's diet is the same as with us, paying attention to how they respond (after some time for adjustment, of course). My almost four year old Dobe girl is very picky, so although she is a FIEND for the raw meat and some fruits, she kind of just picks at the veggies. She does like some of the fruits more. My baby boy puppy on the other end is like "Mikey", he eats everything.

    Good luck!

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    Hay , my chihuahua likes the avocado!!! His name is Chilipeppers..........
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    just get the books about wild wolves, the dogs are related to wolves. it should give u ideas about what they really should eat. but dogs can eat almost everything, my uncle's dog like blueberries.

    I think that dogs should have the meat at top of list then others after that.

    meat is dogs' most natural food as well cats'.

    :)
    NEVER GIVE UP!!! :cool:

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    Hey Patti, glad your back!! Hope everything is working out for you ~ Cathy

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    Quote Originally Posted by lafsalot View Post
    Hey Patti, glad your back!! Hope everything is working out for you ~ Cathy
    Yes, things are looking up, Cathy! Thank you for your thoughts! I tell you everything I've been through nothing helps as much as two boxers knocking you down trying to get to your face first. They are funny...they know when I'm sad or just plain tired so they'll snuggle up next to me; and when I'm in a good mood, they bring their toys over so I can play with them. It's the best to see them bolting across the yard like some crazed deer. They are just so full of energy and love. I know this RAW diet has helped them out a bunch. Zeus' shedding has been decreased substantially; Cleo's is minimal. But just the energy they have makes me concentrate on them.

    Quote Originally Posted by hungrygirl View Post
    I've been thinking, if I feed my dog raw meat and he licks people, isn't that kind of dangerous? He can pass along dangerous bacteria.

    Note: I have read that avocado in large quantity is toxic to dogs.
    OK...I let my dogs drink and eat off my plate and glasses...not necessarily after they eat raw chicken/meat, though. I know this grosses out the majority of you, but I know they're healthy and they're my dogs. They sleep in bed with me and the back seat of my crew cab toyota truck is THEIRS (so don't bother moving their toys or blankets to make room for you or your stuff!!) . The thought of them licking me being dangerous has never really crossed my mind.

    Someone else has also said avocado is toxic to dogs. Can you tell me where you've read this? I know grapes/raisins are bad (I learned that first hand after Zeus threw up when I gave him several grapes), and of course, chocolate.
    http://www.hsus.org/pets/pet_care/pr...s_to_pets.html
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    Someone else has also said avocado is toxic to dogs. Can you tell me where you've read this? I know grapes/raisins are bad (I learned that first hand after Zeus threw up when I gave him several grapes), and of course, chocolate.

    My holistic vet said avocados are no good for dogs and read this link below:

    http://diamondpaws.com/health/barfveg.htm

    I always give my little best friend just a bite or two of every fruit I eat, so he is not missing out and I'm not poisoning him by feeding him something could be toxic to him.
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    Dogs are not human, have different nutritional needs, eg. taurine. To impose our own ethical constructs on them as a different species, and they are predators that would naturally eat meat in the wild to boot, is unrealistic, unnatural and cruel.


    This would be true if it were true that dogs NEEDED to eat animals. Cats need taurine much more.

    What we're all forgetting is that unless you feed your dog raw organic meat, the most unethical and unnatural diet of all for a dog is not a raw or vegan diet it is a conventional dog food diet.....

    Dogs just should not have been domesticated, honestly. We have created this mess, and along with it, the dilemma of how to feed them.

    My dogs will be like David Wolfe's: raw vegan and if they want more, they'll hunt it themselves. Just like my dog growing up used to hunt....

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