Barf!!!!!

[VeganVixen]

heeheee my goldie (a red headed TOY POODLE,love her!) eats eggs some chicken and scraps from my non-veg sad parents (they slip her stuff alot,only because she is SO cute -but mostly veggies and eggs ,I think that you are right I have worked at a wolf rescue facility and they eat whole raw chickens! and dont "expel" a lot because there body uses most of the food -those wolves could NEVER be vegan,a dogs system is different than ours and salmonilla doesnt bother them likeb us (im not sure aboutbeef-howevwever) I do think the cross contamination is a problem if there is contact right after eating ,I remember hearing that dog saliva is very antibacterial,thats why they lick wounds and the thought of chicken slobber doesnt sound to good (cooked or raw)


I WOULD NOT DO PORK !!!THOUGH


.....so If you did that I would wait a few hours after they eat....

[carolg]

Sharon,
Check out I believe called ColoradoBarfers. Great group and yes I feed 2 dogs raw meat, but not organic. It's not bad for prices either...they are doing fabulous..no kidding...email me if you need more info. for sites, etc....

carol

[rayelynn]

I have to say that out of the 2 years of feeding our dogs and cats a BARF diet, we have never had a problem with cross contamination. We feed outside, but cut the meat in the kitchen (but mostly they eat the whole thing anyway and not much cutting is involved.) We clean we afterward. They all sleep with us, lay with us, play with us, etc... There has never been an instance of any food related illness at all. (with us or the animals). Their mouths are very clean and have antibacterial properties to them...(the dogs). We dont encourage licking, however to be safe.

Let me know if I can help at all.

Raye Lynn

[rayelynn]

I dont feed pork.

[Raw Jewelrylady]

Thanks for the info. How about the bones for my tiny dogs. We were afraid of them choking. They are only 5-6 pound each. Very little dogs. Also, they would never eat outside, so what about the mess-raw bones.

They do sleep w/us, cuddle, etc. I know about the antibacterial saliva-thing, but I don't know if I could stop them from the "kisses" We don't let them kiss us on the mouth, but they do kiss our face, to wake us up & show love (I think).
Poodles don't think they are dogs, they are soooooo different. I just want to do what is best for them. I would never give them pork, but I did feed them lamb before, as they do have sensitive stomachs. What do you think? Thanks,
Lana

[VeganVixen]

Thanks for the info. How about the bones for my tiny dogs. We were afraid of them choking. They are only 5-6 pound each. Very little dogs. Also, they would never eat outside, so what about the mess-raw bones.

They do sleep w/us, cuddle, etc. I know about the antibacterial saliva-thing, but I don't know if I could stop them from the "kisses" We don't let them kiss us on the mouth, but they do kiss our face, to wake us up & show love (I think).
Poodles don't think they are dogs, they are soooooo different. I just want to do what is best for them. I would never give them pork, but I did feed them lamb before, as they do have sensitive stomachs. What do you think? Thanks,
Lana

fowl bones are bad -they splinter ,so only do beef bones....I think lamb is ok -but the reason I said pork is the parasite that is found in raw pork


poodles are great -they are SUCH comedians -they WANT to make you laugh ,like clowns -lol mine looks and acts like lucille ball!!!

[Raw Jewelrylady]

fowl bones are bad -they splinter ,so only do beef bones....I think lamb is ok -but the reason I said pork is the parasite that is found in raw pork


poodles are great -they are SUCH comedians -they WANT to make you laugh ,like clowns -lol mine looks and acts like lucille ball!!!

I agree, my 2 poodles are very "clownish." In fact, in researching the breed, that is a very common characteristic.

I think what I will do is start to make RAW treats (Vegan) in my dehydrater w/fresh veggies, sprouts. I am not ready to do raw meat, but the special treats should be great for them.
I'll let you all now what I use & how the girls like them. Thanks
Lana Q.

[VeganVixen]

I agree, my 2 poodles are very "clownish." In fact, in researching the breed, that is a very common characteristic.

I think what I will do is start to make RAW treats (Vegan) in my dehydrater w/fresh veggies, sprouts. I am not ready to do raw meat, but the special treats should be great for them.
I'll let you all now what I use & how the girls like them. Thanks
Lana Q.

here is my baby(LOL shes grabbed a shoe her bed also doubles as a "half done painting storage space)

[Raw Jewelrylady]

here is my baby(LOL shes grabbed a shoe her bed also doubles as a "half done painting storage space)

Hi Veganvixen,
My Casey Marie is a Red-Toy -but more Apricot now, (lightens as she ages.) Starlett Sue is a Blue/Black. they are both adorable.
Goldie has that same clownish grin as my girls do.
Thanks for all the info on the "Barf" diet. I'll keep everyone posted on How the poodles do.
Thanks again for the photos, They made my day. Take care, :) Lana Q.

Ps. I'll try & Private Message some photos to you. I just have to learn this system .

[Ahimsa]

It's almost impossible to get trichomonas from uncooked domestic/factory farmed pork. The incidence of infection in 1995 was .013% (in the actual meat of the animal). Pig farmers have developed new ways to feed their pigs in order to basically eliminate trich. They have certification for this type of thing also, and some (or all?) of pork is irradiated, which kills trich. Here's a link: http://extfcs.sdstate.edu/foodsafety...ions/Trich.htm

My dogs (dobermann) all get fed BARF and that includes beef (marrow steaks/bones, kidney, heart, liver) and pork (neck, rib tips, butt). The oldest (14) has been raw for 4 years and has had no problems, the other two, 3.5 and 2 have been raw since six weeks and have not had any problems either. They love it. When we first started to feed raw the oldest male (now deceased) would lay on the ground whining and shaking in anticipation. That NEVER happened in all his 10 previous years on kibble. My dogs do not shed nearly as much eating this way, their teeth are beautiful, they do not have nearly the amount of intestinal upset (when fed kibble you could barely sleep at night due to the smell!) and they NEVER have bad breath.

Viva la BARF :)

[Wendy]

I believe you should feed whatever you believe. My vegetarian dog is also extremely healthy, right weight, white teeth.

I do not believe a domesticated dog is that related to a wolf that they have to be fed like wolves. They have been domesticated thousands of years with humans. My thoughts are always, the proof is in the pudding. If you have a dog on BARF or vegetarian or vegan, and they are healthy, then keep doing what you are doing.

[Ahimsa]

Hey Wendy-
I'm not trying to say that veg or vegan is bad at all, each to their own, it's their pets and that is totally their decision. I was just sharing with the other BARFers that raw pork really isn't a problem.

But you have to remember that yes, dogs have been domesticated, but commercial dog food has only been around for about the last 50 years. That means that before this point dogs at mostly 1) table scraps, 2) odd parts of the animal not used for cooking, or 3) left to hunt for food on their own (much like people do with barn cats). I don't really believe that their digestive tracts could have changed that much during the 50 years they've been eating dog food. This is all just my opinion of course :) As I stated above, feed your dog what you feel is the healthiest :)

[Wendy]

I am not saying domestic dogs have changed in 50 years, I am saying they have changed in the thousands of years that they have been with man.

I am not offended or anything by your post. You know, it's kinda like SAD. People can live on SAD, but doesn't mean it's the optimum diet. Although I get what you are saying (the premise that dogs are related to wolves and should eat a wolf diet), my response to that is that they are not wolves.

That's all.

I also believe if you do vegetarian or vegan right, you can have healthy happy dogs and cats.

[Sparkle]

I started my dog and 4 cats on the BARF diet a month or so ago. My fat, lazy cats are lean, energetic and their fur is so soft. My dog looks forward to his meals and is slowly losing his excess weight. He's a min. schnauzer/dachsund mix - so little and thick.

The best thing I noticed was that the cat boxes stopped stinking and the doggie droppings outside are not smelly and are not mushy. Sorry to be gross but this is a true benefit for the family doodoo picker upper - which would be me.

Preparing the cat food is so time consuming and I couldn't keep up with my 2 kittens' needs (financially or time-wise) so they've been switched back to kitty SAD until they're grown up. Boy do the cat boxes stink again and I now notice how much water they drink. Not to mention they're always hungry - can't get full. I know that's nutritional so I'm starting to add more raw back in. Kittens are truly eating machines!

I would love to consider a veggie diet for the cats but I am not yet convinced, although I will read up on the link posted. Just as I believe that humans are built to thrive on a raw vegan diet, feline systems - teeth, digestion seem geared towards I a carnivorous diet. Ideally live mice, birds, etc. And just as we can survive many, many years on a SAD, most pets can survive on commercial food as well.

The question comes down to quality of life and the need for medical intervention throughout life. Look at the toothbrushes necessary for domesticated animals. Does that make sense?

Great thread. And please note that I do not mean to offend anyone. Just my thoughts.