Barf!!!!!

[VeganVixen]

heres something that might help your pets.......

BARF!!!!! Biologically appropriate raw food!!!hehehe I KNEW WHAT YOU WERE THINKING!!!!!LOL -RAW foods for cats and dogs ***note this is not vegan ,is however homemade and healthy***


its a non selling site that gives you the info you and your pets need!!!!

although I am vegan I would not force it upon my carnivorous/omnivorous pets dogs CAN do well w/only eggs but cats especially NEED the vitamins ,minerals and oils found ONLY in meat and animal PRODUCTS-however this does NOT mean the junk that you get in the big ol bags AND THEY CAN HAVE VEGGIES!!!

You should add what they have been eating at first and slowly decrease the amount.


http://www.touchmoon.com/dotters/raw/index.shtml


hope your pets like the barf!!!!!hehe

[VeganVixen]

you can make raw nut-based yogurts

[Wendy]

I disagree. I researched both BARF and vegetarian/vegan diets for my standard poodle before I even got him. I was willing to go BARF even though handling meat is disgusting to me.

I found out vegetarian, especially vegan, dogs life longer with less disease if their diet is carefully done. I went to www.vegepets.com and got the dog supplement for vegetarian diets and used their free recipes. Jasper gets flaxseed oil, enzymes, the vegetarian supplement (VegeDog), nutritional yeast, and another supplement. I make his basic recipe in my breadmaker and he loves it.

There are vegan and vegetarian cats that do just great. You can check out the site for stories and pics. Jasper's is there too.

What helped seal the deal was an article I read about a 27 year old border collie, Brambles. That was a couple of years ago. He is totally vegan.

[VeganVixen]

HUH, thats good to know-all the vegetarian(let alone vegan) cats I know of have gone blind and have had muscle problems -I have heard of veggie dogs that do fine but I believe that they are omnivores and shouldnt be forced into my lifestyle-cats I believe are primarily carnivores with a natural hunting instinct -I would personally not give my cats (or dogs) a synthetic product to make up a defeiciency......but I am intrigued about the idea (I hate having meat in the house)


my dog is a vegetarian -so she eats eggs -my cats kill a ton of mice but they also get talapia/raw foods and organic cat food plus omega fish oils (my daddoes the grunt work hes not vegan ,lol one of the only pluses to a vegan living in a non vegan house!)

I would love to hear anyone elses solution to this dilema (vegan pet owners)

[Autumn]

About two years ago I belonged to a raw-pet food Yahoo group, but I never got into it, really. If I had a cat, I might have pursued it. I didn't feel it was necessary (or especially safe) for my dog, after doing more research and talking to a few vet professionals and other dog caretakers. JMO, of course.

[Sharon in Colorado]

I didn't feel it was necessary (or especially safe) for my dog, after doing more research and talking to a few vet professionals and other dog caretakers. JMO, of course.

Autumn, do you mean the raw meat wasn't necessary for your dog? What did you find out about it that made you change your mind? Curious, I have always thought about BARF for my dog but never sure because of the extra expense.

[tracyinfo]

We have two beautiful healthy vegan dogs. We feed them a vegan dry food, and they sometimes get scraps (vegan) from our children's plates.

They are thriving dogs!

-Tracy

[Autumn]

Sharon,
Yes, I didn't feel that raw meat was necessary, or especially beneficial for her. I heard so very many conflicting reports (sort of like we do with our Raw). Many people in vet services think it is dangerous (but then again, many of our MDs think it is dangerous for us to eat Raw). (Plus I must admit that the raw recipes they spoke of on that board really grossed me out!) Mandy eats a lot of veggies (raw and steamed) and loves them. She is happy, healthy, extremely sweet tempered; her bowel movements are excellent and her coat is decent for her age.

[VeganVixen]

Do the vegans on here think that it is ethical to feed a cat or dog meat?Lke I said I do live with two non-vegans (so eggs and fish are in my house anyways)-I personally dont feel its right to push my veganism on my obviousley meat eating cat......

please note that I am not dighting or trying to start a fight I would just like to know everyones stance.....

Im glad to hear that your dogs are doing great tracy -but I have yet to see a healthy vegan cat who doesnt have to take synthetic proteins and vitamins
(and if so are they truly vegan ,do they eat insects or rodents when no one is looking?)

[Wendy]

Yes, a cat has to have synthetic vitamins or other nutrients (like carnitine and taurine). To me that's not a big deal compared with animals suffering in the factory farms that make up pet food. I also believe it is bad karma to eat dead animals, so it is a spiritual as well as ethical issue for me.

I do think that one day the world will evolve so that animals can all be vegetarians again, but hey, I 'm weird.

[VeganVixen]

Yes, a cat has to have synthetic vitamins or other nutrients (like carnitine and taurine). To me that's not a big deal compared with animals suffering in the factory farms that make up pet food. I also believe it is bad karma to eat dead animals, so it is a spiritual as well as ethical issue for me.

I do think that one day the world will evolve so that animals can all be vegetarians again, but hey, I 'm weird.

just so you know I feel the same way -I just wont push it onto my carnivorous animals-anyways I feed my cat sea caught fish -and the kill a ton of mice(poor mice,but its the circle of life yadda yadda...) - so no animals in factories here - also my dogs eggs are free range (I dont know how long that will last since I am a poor student,lol) but for now I give them the best diet possible-nothing from a bag!

just wanted you to know that I am a vegan !!!!!!and dont support animal suffering!!!!

[Wendy]

That's good that you are giving them high quality food. However, I do not feel like it is "pushing" it upon a cat or dog to feed them vegan or vegetarian. We all make choices for our pets. You can see pics and stories of vegan cats at the link I posted, proof that people have successfully fed their animals this way without harm.

[rayelynn]

Actually, all of my animals eat BARF. They all get raw meat daily and their health has skyrocketed!!

The biggest change is in the great dane who was suffering from Hip Dysplasia and Urinary Incontinence. She would SCREAM when getting off the couch cause of the pain. Since she has been raw, she jumps over the coffee table to play again with her little brother. She has no problems with her urine now either. Its the best thing I have ever done for my animals.

Sorry, but the changes in my pets make me a huge advocate of this food.

They have been raw for 2 years and I am finally moving toward the same for myself. :-)

Raye Lynn

[VeganVixen]

thats so good to hear!Im glad your including yourself now ,this is an incredible way of living!

[Raw Jewelrylady]

I'm so glad this topic is being discussed. I have 2 toy poodles 5-6 pounds each. They are finicky eaters (They have a Diva attitude. ) Poodle owners know what I mean.
Anyways, I buy them the most expensive, all natural canned food & the ingrediants are basically what I'm eating except for the meat. I am vegan, but my thinking is that all dogs, (yes even my little foo/foo poodles )did descend fromthe wolf. I would probably want to give them Raw meat.

I also like the info I have been reading on how it helps there teeth (Bones) My question, is Salmonella...Raw chicken -just really scares me, Raw beef, you have e-coli, mad cow, etc. I love not having that stuff around.

My dogs do kiss us on the face/not lips, I was even wondering about cross/contamination. What do you all think ???

I would appreciate any input. I have one poodle who is 12-great health, but stays thin, my other is 3, eats very little, could lose a pound. Thanks for any input,
Lana Q