How does a body die of old age?

[sungoddess]

I was talking about raw food and all of its wonders to my mother who is considering going raw after chemotherapy (yes yes, she should have done it BEFORE, I know). She is feeling very hopeless, and told me that it can't be as miraculous as they say beause: "Eventually gorillas have to get sick from something and die". I attempted to argue this, but had no good argument. So now I am hoping that someone here does.

What do animals die of if not disease or a wound? What really happens when an organism dies of old- age?

Ther must be an answer, I just don't know it!

Any takers?

[LightLover]

Sungodess, this is from a discussion between me and Ross at energiseforlife.com, at least this is the beginning of an asnwer
LL


Pleomorphism is basically the concept that cells, and especially one-celled microorganisms, can change form under certain conditions to cells of another type.

For example an example of pleomorphism in human cells might be the morphing of skin cells to connective tissue cells, or of blood cells to bone tissue. In the field of microbiology, the concept primarily implies that bacteria of one species might change to bactera of another species under certain conditions. For example, this theory might allow that under certain environmental conditions, a typhoid bacillus could morph into a staphylococcus bacteria.

In the alternative healing world, and on the fringes of conventional mainstream science, there are those who feel that pleomorphism of mircoorganisms is widespread, and that such pleomorphism is how nature performs various tasks of toxin cleanup and tissue removal in the human body. In effect, this theory states that bacteria simply change to whatever form is most handily needed in the body, based upon cues from the body itself.

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As a background to this - it is based on the theory of pleomorphism:

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Pleomorphism is basically the concept that cells, and especially one-celled microorganisms, can change form under certain conditions to cells of another type.

For example an example of pleomorphism in human cells might be the morphing of skin cells to connective tissue cells, or of blood cells to bone tissue. In the field of microbiology, the concept primarily implies that bacteria of one species might change to bactera of another species under certain conditions. For example, this theory might allow that under certain environmental conditions, a typhoid bacillus could morph into a staphylococcus bacteria.

In the alternative healing world, and on the fringes of conventional mainstream science, there are those who feel that pleomorphism of mircoorganisms is widespread, and that such pleomorphism is how nature performs various tasks of toxin cleanup and tissue removal in the human body. In effect, this theory states that bacteria simply change to whatever form is most handily needed in the body, based upon cues from the body itself.

Indeed, in the many parallel theories of biological terrain assessment and adjustment, the underlying assumption is that "infection" by microorganism really indicates nothing more than imbalances in the inner biochemical terrain of the body, and that if the inner terrain of the body is allowed to normalize, then the "infectious organisms" will cese their inflammatory activity, as their presence is no longer needed, as determined by the interior milieu.

In these models, bacteria and other microogranism are not seen as dangerous, invasive or pathogenic, nor infectious, but rather as simply responding to cues from the body that cleanup is needed.

In other words, they are seen as performing simply necessary cleanup functions in response to cues from the local body tissues. So, in these models, bacteria are not seen as pathogenic or aggressive, but rather, inner biological terrain, the interior mileiu of the body, is seen as the chief determinant of the presence or absence of certain "infectious" processes.

Therefore, in these particular pleomorphic models, the interior milieu, or inner terrain, is seen as having primacy in determining presence or absence of "diseases" due to microorganisms. Thus, it would make sense that one would treat an infectious illness by simply adjusting the inner terrain of the body to allow it to become more healthful, thus eliminating the need for the presence of the "infectious" organisms.

Conversely, any attempt to treat an infectious illness with antibiotics (or hydrogen peroxide, ozone or colloidal silver, all of which are favorite armamentaria in the alternative healing world) or other "aggressive" means would be seen in most cases as short-sighted and merely cosmetic, as the practitioner would be attempting to treat a symptom of a deep imbalance, rather than addressing the deep imbalance. Further, these theories would suggest that most, if not all, antibiotics and other aggressive antimicrobial means would actually further imbalance and disrupt the inner terrain, thus eventually leading to further degeneration.

A number of theorists and practitioners in the raw foods world, among many other fields of natural healing as well, seem to also subscribe to theories which dictate the primacy of biological terrain. Thus, in treating illnesses which seem to be of microbiological origin, they would favor simply correcting the inner terrain via dietary modification and other simple means. Many people in the raw foods world, for example, believe that the primary reason for the many health benefits derived from a raw foods diet is simply improvement in inner biological terrain. This improvement in inner terrain is seen as due to the fact that the person has ceased intake of toxic foods and rather increased intake of truly healthful and nurturing foods, thus allowing the body to naturally improve its inner terrain



Source: http://www.rawpaleodiet.org/pleomorphism-1.html
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[LightLover]

And also this: verymost interesting:



from Dr Young:

Current scientific evidence presented by Dr. Young shows something different. Microbes live in our bodies all the time, and change form into bacteria, viruses, yeast, or mold as the internal environment changes. In healthy bodies these microbes are inert, or have positive roles in cell and gene repair. But when our body tissues become overly acidic, these microbes come alive and take on a different purpose in the body, a role which is perfectly logical if you think about it: they are there to decompose dead tissue and recycle it back into the soil of the earth. That is what Dr. Young means by only one disease. When our tissues become overly acidic, this is the condition that all organisms go into just before death, so the microbes inside get the signal that we are dying and go into action to decompose us. The symptoms would begin at the weakest link in our bodies, so it might start with any of the diseases humans get. But in reality there is only the one disease: over acidification that tells the microbes we are ready to die and decompose.

[sungoddess]

So how do perfectly healthy animals or humans every die?

[wisslewj]

Light,

Wooohoo!! Nice to see someone else that gets pleomorphism! :)

Sun, I agree that the pleomorphic model nicely says why ALL things die. BAsically we ferment to death lol.

The bible actually says it quite nice, "ashes to ashes and dust to dust" we return to the earth. (as protits presumably)

Basically the bodies cells where out and decay, and then are fermented and we quick making more, and hence death. An interesting study of a chicken heart kept alive for 28 years seems to show that cells could have infinite life if not for SOMETHING else.

One possible theory is that telemorase (sp?) (it caps off our dna strands) can only allow so many dna replications before thats it. Once this happens death is inevetable as the body fails to renew itself. Some interesting theories about how to remedy this abound but as of yet none have floated in from the realms of meta physical science to reality. But maybe one day lol.

Jeff

[Doe]

Sungoddess anything can wear out. Even rocks can be worn away over time. There is a difference between dis-ease, which ranges from uncomfrotable to downright painful and is always caused by a toxic condition, and wearing out. In the latter case it is usually the heart that just stops. Here is an example of living without built up toxins and simply wearing out. Rawguru.com has this to say about Dr Walker:

“Dr. Norman Walker is the longest-lived, widely-known raw-foodist of the modern era. Thousands upon thousands of people credit Dr. Walker's live-vegetable-juice therapy for healing them of "incurable" diseases, including Jay Kordich, known to the world as "The Juiceman." When Jay Kordich had cancer, he met and was tremendously inspired by Dr. Walker. After healing himself of cancer through The Raw-Food Diet and juice therapy, Jay worked with Dr. Walker beginning in the 1940s up until Dr. Walker's death in 1984 at the age of 118. Dr. Walker passed away peacefully while taking an afternoon nap; free of any disease or other ailments common to people of advanced age.”

Hope this helps,
Teri S

[lissomllama]

Life forms die because of cellular degeneration and because of vibrational frequencies lowering significantly. Usually (especially in the case of humans) once this happens, the creature resigns itself to death and that right there lowers the vibrations even more until the creature can no longer be considered alive in its whole sense.

The vibrations never completely cease because we all know that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only change forms. When a body 'dies' it decomposes and all of its components become smaller, more minute life forms like bacteria.

When I say 'vibrations' I mean energy. When a body becomes older and the person does not focus on raising their vibrations, cellular degeneration begins. Cells replace/renew themselves far more slowly until it is so slow that the body cannot/will not keep up. Under optimim circumstances, cells renew themselves often and shed the old stuff to make way for the new. We must insure that our bodies and minds will continue constant and timely cell regeneration by living responsibly (ahem, raw vegan lifestyle, excercise, lovemaking and good natural hygeine).

I believe that we die because we accept death as an inevitability. We are constantly conditioned our whole lives to enjoy life while we can as quick as we can before we die and to do this and do that because we are going to grow old and weak and die some day or even sooner if we aren't careful. We're always living in this ahaddow of the fear of death. I say FORGET THAT! It is non-sense. There is no reason at all why we should die without a desire to. There is no reason at all why we should become decrepit and broken down as we grow older. We need to stop listening to the negativity that others try to push upon us and surround ourselves with life and actively keep our energy at a high frequency. Only die/move on when YOU choose to. Doing these things,believing these things, I believe we can live as long as we wish to in these forms.

[wisslewj]

Lay Lay,

Aye I agree. Whatever the science is, it is inevetable cuz God saisd so. As such I dont worry about death to much. I keep this body healthy a I can, but I am getting an upgrade anyway so not that big deal! :)

God Bless
Jeff

[Forever Young]

Who says we have to die period, do you not think that there are people living who are hundreds of years old today. Forget the bible half of it is missing anyway, do you think they are going to tell you the truth about anything anyway. If you believe you are going to die eventually, don't you think that's eventually what is going to happen. Healthy people, they die because they believe that they will sooner or later, yes they live longer then unhealthy people, but they still die. Forever young

P.S. At one time everyone thought the world was flat too.

[Live Free]

That was exactly what I was thinking. I heard about our zoo in Rochester, NY that the Orangatange that I had seen just a few months earlier had died. they said that they didnt know why the animal died.

I guess that it was the animals time to die, I know if I had been its keeper, I would have been quite distraut. I love to watch them.

the last time I was there, the female orangatange and her baby were having so much fun.

God Bless,

[Lay-Lay]

That was exactly what I was thinking. I heard about our zoo in Rochester, NY that the Orangatange that I had seen just a few months earlier had died. they said that they didnt know why the animal died.

I guess that it was the animals time to die, I know if I had been its keeper, I would have been quite distraut. I love to watch them.

the last time I was there, the female orangatange and her baby were having so much fun.

God Bless,

I hate to hear that about the orangatange. I look forward to the time when no one will say they are sick and death will be no more.

[Lay-Lay]

Lay Lay,

Aye I agree. Whatever the science is, it is inevetable cuz God saisd so. As such I dont worry about death to much. I keep this body healthy a I can, but I am getting an upgrade anyway so not that big deal! :)

God Bless
Jeff

Hi Jeff,

LOL, I plan on keeping the oneI have andjust grow to perfection, never dying.