genetic disorders

[Sharon in Colorado]

Are you detoxing any kind of meds?

[dreday]

here is a question about the topic which i originally intended thi discussion to be based on: genetic disorders. What if somebody is blessed with really good genetics and eats whatever they want never experiencing negative effects. For example my grandfather has a very strong heart and good cholesterol levels yet his entire life he has been eating the worst diet known to man consisting of gallons of ice cream, salami, cheese, pasta, cake, pastries etc. Now he is in his mid 70's and he still works and functions fine. Why is that? Maybe genetics do dominate our lives and not our eating habits. Someone please proe me wrong.

[mershwista]

dreday, I actually agree with you for the most part. This retarded depression I'm dealing with....it's genetic. Believe me. It doesn't leave. Every woman in my family has it. And looking at what my brothers eat...well, they ought to be more depressed than me, and they're not. I think, however, that eating habits and other habits can ameliorate a genetic condition. For example, I know that I am LESS depressed in general when I eat healthily, exercise regularly, and manage my time well. Does it solve it? Absolutely not. But it makes the slightest difference. Just my thoughts.

[wisslewj]

Hey dreday,

I am not 100% on te genetic thing, but to a large extent, I belive genetic diseases are actually a myth. (or at least misundertood)

Science operates on the germ theory model of disease. (this is a monomorphic view). MANY good genius men have shown that this is absolutely not right. Peopple like Dr. Bechamp, Dr royal rife and many others have proven quite soundly (it can even be VIEWED) that the model should be pleomorphic. (i will post a link on pleomorphism for those interested)

Hence, all disease, even stuff termed "genetic" is really not as such. All disease it seems is the result of "protits" (smallest form of bacteria) morphing into a dabgerous form in order to survive. This happens when the terrain of the body is unhealthy. Hence, fix the terrain, fix the disease. Following this, tons of cases of cancer, heart disease, hep c etc have been eliminated. The "cure" was no specific food and no drug, but the body, given the necessary raw material, cures itself. The body is the ONLY thing that can cure. (well apart from god of course! ;) )

So, if the case is genetic "disease", proper nutrition should remedy this as it is a viral/bacterial component actually causing the disease. (there are counless sites and cases showing that even things like alsheimers is from a strain of bacteria and have thus been reversed!)

If it is a genetic PHYSICAL abnormality, the verdict is still out on if that is viral and can be fixed. (down syndrome for example) though there are MANY cases where autistism was found to be viral in nature (from vaccines) and reversed. So its possible to help many things when the terrain is right. Here is that link to pleomorphism:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbc...eomorphism.htm

I hope this is of some help
Jeff

[luckitri]

dreday, I have often wondered the same thing. The only idea I have is that the world was a much cleaner place even that many years ago....so grandpa's foundation is cleaner, healthier - so he can afford to eat in a way that so many of us cannot. ? Maybe he was exposed to less toxins during his life?

[mershwista]

Jeff,

There are many theories about disease. I think that no theory is entirely right and that the cause of disease is different in different cases.

In my case, every woman in my family has fought depression/anxiety. The men have not. Those women have lived in different places and eaten different foods, and all have been affected. The men have not been affected. It does not affect people like my stepsister who are not blood related.

I am personally opposed in general to modern medicine. But as a good friend who is an RN reminds me, it's not all bad. A lot of deaths can be prevented by doctors who really know their stuff and aren't just out prescribing things to make money or fulfill a quota from an Rx company. On the other hand, as in any field, malpractice is a huge issue...there are just many more cases, I believe. The whole area is so corrupt. That is one reason for this. Also, the facilities just wreak of sickness...you know, when you walk in there...you don't feel healthy or healing in the air. At least I don't. When a friend of mine was there for an operation and I went to go visit...****, I wouldn't want to spend any more time than that in such a place. No wonder so many people die there...

There is more to disease than germs, and there is more to disease than toxins/energy. It's a very complex thing, and I think anyone who claims to understand it is highly arrogant. Any valid theory can be tested, strengthened, or disproven. If there is no basis for proof and disproof...there is no basis for the theory. Reminds me of a story I read about a researcher who went to investigate a cult that kept bottles of "charged water". He was trying to measure this charge, but every time he got near it, the keepers of the water claimed that the water would stop emitting a charge because it didn't want to be tested...etc. You can see where this is going.

Anyways, enough of that. I wanted to put a word in on my progress before I tackle this stupid project and go to bed: I feel nauseous and probably won't be keeping anything down tonight either. I feel the same way I felt Saturday night (before the Sunday morning bout). My friends are worried about me. My iron levels are a bit low, but not serious.

I thought maybe this was just food poisoning, but I don't feel that much better (anymore). And everything else that's going on...I don't know. I'm sure there are many factors. Maybe I just shouldn't eat...it's hard to right now anyways. All food looks disgusting to me, and I can't stand to be around it. But then I feel weaker. Sorry, but I don't like the idea of just wasting away...if I could justify fasting I might try it, but I've had too many bad experiences. I keep changing my mind and I can't decide what I need to do. I'm nauseous and a bit delirious. There's something wrong with me....beyond, I think, the new diet. Caused by it? I don't know. I don't care. I just want the symptoms to go away, and I want to be healthy.

I'm working on it. Not sure how. But I will get better.

Peace

[wisslewj]

Mersh,

just have a second here before sleep, thought I would look in...

I agree, no theory is perfect, I just think Pleomophism is the best, or closest one I have seen so far. Maybe a lil tweaking by future geniuses will prefect it.

I noticed your symptoms and wondered if maybe you are missing mineral cell salts? I have no idea what your die looks like, but when we are deficient in those as well as other major minerals we can get to feeling pretty bad. Here is a link to the cell salts and what deficiencies in each causes. Maybe it will help ya:

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbc.../cellsalts.htm

I'll even say a prayer for ya. Lil divine intervention never hurt none. If ya wanna discuss anything else, best to just email me lol.

Hope ya feel better and God Bless
Jeff

[mershwista]

Here are my thoughts, as well as a summary of what's been going on for anyone who is following the progress of this thread.

I started following a diet of fruits in the morning and greens, soaked nuts, fruits, and soaked seeds in the aftrenoon. It is hard for me to feel satisfied on just fruits, so I am permitted to have greens in my fruit smoothies in the mornings. Those are all right...still hungry a lot and never satisfied.

I am to avoid spices, garlic, parsley, etc. Those are things that humans would not supposedly eat naturally. A baby would not eat them. I am wondering, though, why we must eat so many greens, at least according to this theory. I know of no small child that will willingly eat leafy things, and although I do enjoy my salads (well used to, when I could make tahini dressings for them), I HATE greens...sorry. They seem like some of the most unnatural things to me. Why would we avoid garlic and not greens? Maybe I'm weird, but I happen to LIKE straight garlic. Always have. Yeah, even as a little kid.

Also, what makes fermented foods bad? True, they are undergoing a sort of change...but the bacteria present are good bacteria, the ones that replenish the flora in our intestines and keep things like candida in check. Yes? I'll also note that since I stopped having things like rejuvelac and the sort, I have developed a yeast infection....perhaps that is unrelated, but I still wonder.

I am hoping that my latest bout of unexpected illness was due to some sort of food poisoning. Don't know about other regions of the states, but here in Ohio, produce that is halfway decent is getting harder and harder to come by these days. I opened up the fridge Monday morning to find that ALL my grapes were fuzzy with mold. Meaning...Saturday they had the mold in them latently, which I perhaps could not detect, especially if the grapes were part of a smoothie.

This way of eating does not feel right to me. It is incredibly restrictive, bland, and unappetizing. The sickness I recently experienced (again on Tuesday) could likely be enhanced by the psychosomatic effects of eating what I feel is NOT a balanced diet.

Humans are different from what they were back in the foraging days. We've lived for years on a diet that supplies protein, suggesting that the body could be less likely to synthesize all that it needs. This way of eating surely lacks protein. Any nutritionist would agree.

My iron levels are low. I suspect that such an occurrence is due to not only this way of eating but raw in general. I am taking supplements because the condition worries me, and I am sick of being fatigued all the time that I am not bleeding randomly.

There are different approaches that work for different people. I believe that my metabolic type must be different than that of someone's who can thrive on the diet mentioned above.

Even if that is so, the above diet that I am following could be a helpful cleansing tool if done short term. I tend to prefer juice fasting. I've never had an adverse reaction to that. The only problem to juice fasting is that like this, it takes willpower...but juice fasting gives me results with which I can detect progress in a matter of days. This takes willpower, too...I think knowing that this whole board is watching me has kept me on it. I did find a friend who is not even vegan but interested in juice fasting, and I may do one with her. When fasting with a buddy, I tend to have a better chance of succeeding.

Well, any comments and thoughts would be appreciated. Just thought I'd give everyone the update.

[Sharon in Colorado]

Mer - how have you been feeling?

[mershwista]

Well I'm not vomiting anymore. That's improvement, I guess. Especially since finding so much moldingfood in my refrigerator, I find it even more difficult to stomach anything on this diet.

I honestly don't have the willpower to follow through with it right now. It is not helping me, and after what is now 10 days, I think it's fair to say that it's had its chance to at least hint at benefitting me.

So there is, I see, no reason to continue with it. I started eating as normal and for the first time in a while actually didn't feel like dozing off to sleep during my morning class. Amazing.

I plan to do a juice fast with the motivation of a friend who will do it with me and then go from there. It will be a short one...if I had more willpower I could go longer. But I need to set attainable goals if I expect to reach them. Otherwise I will be constantly disappointed.

[Sharon in Colorado]

Well, 10 days is just a drop in the bucket compared to the way you've been feeling for years and years. Why not stick it out for at least a month and see if you get any changes. As I mentioned before you could be experiencing some huge emotional detox in the beginning.

Wanted to add something about garlic that you might find interesting. There have been studies (I will post a link when I find it) before about garlic and onions linked to disruptive brain activity. Maybe Nora has the article(s). Some people report strong or strange dreams after ingesting a lot of garlic or onions.

Not trying to dissuade everyone from garlic and onion consumption, but if you are experiencing severe depression and emotional issues, this could be something for you to look into.

Here is one article I found on garlic: http://metabraingrowthprocess.tribe....9-80b946808f4b

[VeryBerry]

Mershwista,

I would give your program more of a chance. 10 days is too soon to decide if it is working or not. I am actually considering going on a similar program.

You mentioned you don't like greens, did you try finding organic greens. I never really disliked greens, but always had to have them as a salad with some oil. All that changed when I found organic green leaf lettuce, that staff is sooo good I can eat it right out of the bag. Greens is probably what you need most to help you detoxfy.

Here is a salad dressing idea from the book "Instant raw sensations"
Avocado & mango blended together with a bit of water.
You can use strawberies or ither berries instead of the mango.

Do you make green smoothies?
My fav is spinach, banana & pear. (don't put too much spinach if you are not crazy about greens) My 12 year old brother loved it, and he eat junk food just like any other regular kid.

[mershwista]

hmmm....I'm glad those things are appetizing to you, but I find that most of the recipes in Patenaude's book are so terrible that I can't believe anyone ever eats them. The avocado and mango idea is just one example.

I honestly don't have the willpower to continue on with a program that I have no reason to believe is helping me. Maybe diet therapy doesn't work for everyone. And if it really is beneficial, 10 days ought to at least let me know that I'm on the right track. So far all I get is absolutely no desire to eat anything on the program because it's all disgusting and about 15x the desire tp binge. It's ****. I hate it. It's not helping me. I see no reason to keep it up. I was better off before.

[mershwista]

I also find it interesting that Rawnora never bothered to respond to my question, "What would it take for you to stop believing that eating this way will help everyone? Because any theory can be proven/strengthened or disproven." It wasn't those exact words, and I can't remember if it was this board or an email that I asked...but think about it. Why do we believe things? We experience things that lead us to believe that some things are true and that others are not.

Take for example two little kids playing with an imaginary cat. Another girl approaches them and asks to see the cat. The two that are playing with the cat swear that the cat is real, but refuse to ever produce her. They say that she always hides from people that she doesn't want to be discovered by, but that she is real. Rawnora's insistence that eating her way seems as silly and ungrounded to me as these girls' belief that their (imaginary) cat exists.

And do remember that, as FDR said, there are as many opinions as there are experts. Yet another reason to go by my own common sense and act based on what makes sense to me. My own intuition has never led me wrong before...I just have to follow it.

As much as I hate green things, I do understand their importance. I really do. It is just such a pain in the butt to eat them because there really is no good way....expensive or disgusting, take your pick. I can stand them in a citrus smoothie or in a spring mix salad. Or on a sandwich....but sandwiches are not allowed, I suppose. Or blended into a pasta sauce...but neither is pasta allowed. No wonder I'm iron deficient....not enough greens, no more lentil soup, no chick pea hummos (sprouted hummos is gross)...

I believe that Nora's suggestions will cause (have caused) my body to be malnourished. I don't think they're healthy. I therefore have even less reason to attempt to scrounge up the willpower to stick with them for a month....when I believe that by doing so I am really doing myself a disservice. And plus, let's face it...if that IS the cure, I could never stand eating that way for the rest of my life. I'd HAVE no social life. And that would make me even more depressed.

So those are my thoughts. Hope no one is terribly offended.

[VeryBerry]

I really hope you will find something that will work for you. I want to give Noras program a chance, but I have to be honest I feel a little scared. I don't want to get nutrient difficincy.

My symptoms (mainly pelvic congestion) are not getting any better on regular raw diet, I don't eat a lot of fat & don't usually overeat. I will definitely continue being raw because I do feel more energetic and have much better more stable mood and less food craving and I have no desire to eat cooked food.
I really don't know what else I can do to improve my condition.