It's at a time like this where I just need to refresh....reboot....something...and then I'll be all right. It just takes so d*** long! And I feel like I need a refresher way too often. I can't spend my life refreshing, because then I spend no time living...just a thought.
Ok, now this is actually in response to the most recent posts...because those weren't showing when I wrote before.
You know, that's great that some people can heal themselves with just a raw diet. It must be nice to have problems that are so easily fixable. Some of have to work at solving those issues, and those issues don't ever go away. Seeing as I feel I've given raw foods (100% at that) a fair shot and seen no improvement on the depression, I have no reason to believe that I ever will. Every healing method has its miracle success stories, and I don't take yours any more seriously than I take theirs. You'll find raving testimonials for about anything these days.
I only know those things I can tell for sure (or what I think is certain, anyways...but let's not get overly philosophical at the moment). Someone once told me that a good definition of insanity was trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Thus, I no longer believe, as I hoped 5 months ago, that raw foods will do squat for my depression. I will probably stay mostly raw....but since 100% is quite frankly a pain in the neck and very expensive...it's getting toned down, at least for the moment. I'm hoping I can just get away for a while and fast and meditate....hopefully get the reset I need. Well, sort of...I have concerts to play in and the like.
I don't know...I tend to be a person of extremes, and one that changes of mind quite often. I'm losing my standing ground, so I'm sorry if I don't make any sense right now. i'm just getting more and more depressed and apathetic and defeatist...but somehow I'm still idiotically out there looking for a solution...blah
Have you tried Gerson therapy?
I know you tried a lot of things, so I wonder if you read about Gerson therapy which is originally made for cancer patients, but it helps for any problems. The downside is that it takes a lot of time and produce for juices, but you could do modified simplified version since you are not in imidiate danger. It bacically includes a lot of green and other juices a day to remineralize the body and coffee enemas to help liver to release toxins.
Originally Posted by mershwista
When I juice and do smoothies alot my bowels are like clay so I think the enemas are to compensate for what the lack of fiber does to the bowels.
Hmmm...well, I know (knew) someone that died of cancer after doing Gerson...
mer - Why not take Raw Nora up on her offer??
I'll admit, though, that I don't know much about flower essences. It might be worth a shot.
If you are trying everything else, there's nothing to lose here but your depression if anything!
If you don't, I will **hint, hint, Raw Nora** ;)
Raw Step by Step
"We can do anything we want to do if we stick with it long enough." Helen Keller
Because rawnora advocates that raw foods will heal me when they haven't done squat...and continues to insist on things that are obviously false.
I have been following this post and....
I have been following this post and I empathize with you........it's unfortunate that your experiences and lack of results (as you see it) have brought you to "feel" this way. But it is your reality nonetheless.
From the outside looking in....your resolve and finality about things "atleast here in this thread" seems to be blocking any help, suggestions, advice that anyone is trying to give you here. I'm sure you have tried "everything" that you say you've tried...but your belief is that you've given it enough time "5 months" based on your belief, is that fair to yourself though? All those many ways or things that you've tried, hence there is more to the list , perhaps you've thrown your body into absolute chaos. I think your doing more harm to yourself by cutting off any further possibilities. Perhaps you know not what your body and mind does. Continue to meditate on the positives.
I believe your body and mind are both healing synonomously (sp?), but you need to get out of the way for the healing to continue....the results will come if you stop sabotaging the effort. If the spirit within said to you "But you were soooooo close!", would you believe you were close enough to better results??????????
Go to the "Personal Growth" section, there are all supportive threads that you may find helpful to your own personal growth around this issue.
I wish you the very best in your journey to better health.
"Having the life that you truly desire means you will have to be something you've never been and do something you've never done in the name of COURAGE"
Or maybe it's because you'd have to interact with me as a real person, not from the safe anonymity of your computer screen, where you can pretend that you'd do anything on earth to be well. If youre not pretending, prove it. People who truly are desperate for help dont turn down offers.
Originally Posted by mershwista
Depression is the mind's way of cooperating with the body by rejecting activities that require energy that the body doesn't have available. I can assure you, however, that what you need to do in order to enlist my help requires very little effort. You don't have to get enthusiastic and hopeful, all you have to do is open your mind, give me some information, and be willing to make some changes to your diet.
Btw, I do not advocate that raw foods heal people. I advocate that removing the cause of disease makes it go away in the vast majority of cases. It's quite possible to be 100% raw, diseased and toxic, all at the same time. I offered to help you because there is so much confusing and misleading nonsense being dispensed here and everywhere that it's sometimes very difficult for newcomers to determine exactly what must be done to get well. There are foods in the typical raw diet that can keep a person sick, and many new raw fooders just keep on eating them, not realizing the damage theyre doing.
Whats your diet been like for the last 5 months? Why dont you list a few days typical recent intake so we can explore where you might be making mistakes? If you won't do it for yourself, think about the others reading this thread who could perhaps learn from our exchange. In addition to knowing what youve been eating, it would be helpful to know your age and what your diet was like before you went raw.
Rawnora, I could not agree more with this statement "Or maybe it's because you'd have to interact with me as a real person, not from the safe anonymity of your computer screen, where you can pretend that you'd do anything on earth to be well. If youre not pretending, prove it. People who truly are desperate for help dont turn down offers."
This is a raw food SUPPORT board mershwista. Read the mission statement.
It is also a board to help people as an extension to Alissa's living on live food book. Thats why she created this forum. Alissa recognizes that there are many way to do a raw food diet and she allows everyone on here to express freely and choose the raw food path that suits them but it is also not a natural hygiene site, a fruitarian site or a low fat raw site. If that is what you want, go visit those boards.
PLEASE abide by the mission statement or you will be banned wershwista.
Whoa...you're threatening to ban me...why, again? Yeah, the board is for support...you can't accuse me of not supporting people, and you can't accuse me of being anti-support because I don't take ONE person's advice. I've taken the advice of many other members who have responded to this post.
By the way...you threatened to ban me assuming I'd say one thing or another in response to Rawnora's post...you never gave me a chance to respond, so how do you know what I was going to say?
Seeing as there have been many suggestions for help, I see that it only makes sense to choose from them which suggestions I will pursue and which ones I will not...especially since the suggestions are very diverse and don't always agree with each other.
Actually, rawnora, if you must know, and if I must now report to you what I am doing so that you may validate that I really am depressed, I am already talking with someone very similar to you who is trying to help me heal. I have nothing to "prove" to you. Saying that I must do this and that (take you up on your offer...even if I'm already seeing someone) to prove I am depressed is not only ridiculous but shows that you assume that you are the authority on whether I have a problem or not. That's a bit arrogant, and the person I am talking to right now is humble.
I do believe I will heal eventually. Yes, I feel discouraged and defeatist a lot of times. I value advice but don't follow ALL of it.
Example of advice I followed from this board, since the moderator does not believe I am adhering to the mission statement...the flower essences--I just went out and spent $20 that I don't have on them. So you can't say that just because I don't take you up on YOUR offer (rawnora) that I just must not want to heal.
If it shall be that I will be banned, you validate to me that this is not a good place for me to get help, as I should not be chastised for choosing one person's advice over another.
rawnora, you made a statement that my min cant seem to let go of... it's still possible to be 100% raw AND diseased?? What raw foods will be harming a person to keep them ill or cancerous??
Are you speaking of ppl on Raw, but not vegan?
Alissa always taught 'just eat raw'... that's her mission statement. That's what I have lived my life by for the past few years now.
Ppl are being healed from MANY things. I cant imagine being 100% raw & still getting cancer & other illnesses. Could you please clarify?
a 5 yr total transformation always begins with ONE day- the first day. :D
"""Or maybe it's because you'd have to interact with me as a real person, not from the safe anonymity of your computer screen, where you can pretend that you'd do anything on earth to be well. If youre not pretending, prove it. People who truly are desperate for help dont turn down offers. """
Rawnora, not everyone has the money to fork over for the big 'miracle cures'. That's why Alissa's approach speaks universaly to ppl all over the world. Just. Eat. Raw.
I've had the scariest depression this last month & while there WERE ppl to step in & say "You're going to be ok & alright" and they checked on me when they didnt hear from me for a few days, 1)I didnt deserve the depression because it was so deep I saw no way out & 2)Even though I was sad after the talks my worst fear was that they would just walk away- I didnt want anyone to give up on me. If it wouldnt have been for THEM, I would literally have had noone. Not a soul. So this argument seems to be hitting home for me in a way. I'm not trying to pick up other ppl's fires, but I think you both have some good solid points here.
Rawnora, I was just at your site early this morning. I saw you as a major icon! Esp when you had such structure for living cancer/disease free from your daily food choices. I huess I didnt read enough because apparently you CAN still die early from raw???
Sorry, but I need some clarification.
a 5 yr total transformation always begins with ONE day- the first day. :D
I'm going to break this looong post of mine up into 3 seperate posts, just to make it less cumbersome to read!
I had been following this thread with great interest because I saw that you were really frustrated about having depression and after 5 months of raw, it not showing any improvement.
As I read your posts, I empathized with you and felt that your reactions to some of the posts and suggestions in response to you were clearly just out of your frustration.
I'm not talking about the dialogue between you and Rawnora, but in general. I've observed your overall tone towards eating raw foods (again, I figure out of frustration) and I think that what Peppermint Patty was saying is that your overall attitude just seemed to be against the very thing this forum is all about and was kinda, well, harsh. I'm not saying you're not entitled to your views and feelings...this is YOUR experience thus far and your perception...you're entitled to your feelings about your own personal experience - I realize that the raw diet is not for everyone and not everyone will do it, wants to do it, nor will they always have glowing experiences on it for whatever the reasons are; however, this is a forum that is supposed to be for support of those who want to be raw. Some of your statements were kinda indicating otherwise - that perhaps you no longer want to be raw. For example:
"And by the way, I went into this whole raw mess truly believing it would heal me."
"And so...I see really no reason to stay 100% raw. In fact, I'm weaning
myself off of it little by little, as I see no sense in continuing with
something that takes up lots of time, effort, and money but offers no
And there were a few others. But you know what, in the bolded parts, I sense the strong frustration you are obviously feeling BUT I also see in other statements that you really do want to stay raw and feel some sort of "something" from this way of life in this statement:
"I will probably stay mostly raw, just because the idea makes
logical sense to me, and I do like the way it feels to eat something
fresh instead of something dead."
That statement plus some more recent comments along with the fact that you are going to attempt to fast, etc. lets me know that deep down inside, you really DO want to stick with this way of eating because something inside is telling you it's a good thing.
I think it is great that you connected with someone and you're talking with them and finding it helpful.
Part 2 of 3-part post
I also wanted to say that, 5 months raw is a GREAT accomplishment but at the same token, it really isn't that long. There are just some things that take longer for some people. Some people get weightloss results immediately after having gone raw while others (like Rawnora ;) ) it took her about 5 months I think she said in her personal story before she obtained ANY weightloss...not one pound was shed prior to that. She could have very well felt the exact same way you are feeling now about the raw diet - feeling that "here we go again, just one more diet attempt to lose this weight that ended up failing me!" But she kept going and look at her now!
Some people receive that burst of energy right away while people like Pailani went through a long period of being very tired all the time despite the many people who said raw gave them more energy and they weren't tired. But after a while of going and going and doing other things such as tweaking her raw diet by eating a higher fruit/lower fat diet, she has stated she has been feeling better!
Diseases and other health challenges - same thing...some experience healing right away, others experience it much later down the line...but something keeps them holding on be it hope or just the fact that while they may still have the symptoms of the illness, they still feel better eating raw foods as opposed to when they eat cooked.
I say to you, please don't give up hope....if there is the slightest little minute inkling of hope left in you, HOLD ON TO IT! Don't let it go because that is what's going to see you through this to the end. I also say to you, by eating raw, what do you have to lose? You can stay raw and allow your body to continue the process of cleansing both body and mind and allow yourself to get to the point where you get that breakthrough or you can go back to eating cooked food (whatever the percentage - great or small) and still be in the same predicament and potentially worsen things.