Where is the proof?

[druid]

::::::This is not an attack, this is a serious question::::::::


I have Alissa's book and dvd as well as David Wolfe, and other Raw Guru's. Where is the proof? I mean scientific evidence. Call me what you will, but I need hard facts.

This is our body, we only get one! As far as we know we go through this life once. I want to make my life long healthy and enjoyable. I don't want to spread things I cannot back up. Or invest large amounts of money on something I am unable to prove.

Where is the proof? Weight loss? Healed diseases? Teeth repairing themselves?

[Revvell]

Where is the proof cooked and microwaved food is healthy for one? People are dying from disease all over the place. Where is the scientific proof?

Did you need scientific evidence before you started eating cooked? ... or did you just follow the crowd and do what you were told? How's it working for ya?

Revvell

[rawpriestess]

it is scientific fact that heating food causes carcinogens in the food, which in turn causes cancer in humans, and animals,

it is also scientific fact that heating foods above certain temperatures cause the body to have immune issues once the food is eaten

It is also scientific fact that eating a raw food diet cures diabetes, and many other diseases.

however,

I firmly believe:

"If a person believes -- you can NOT make them disbelieve,
if a person does not believe -- you can NOT convince them"

[Rawkinlocs]

...in the pudding!

No but seriously, haven't you read posts by people such as Arky and Shivananda and some of our other more "scientifically inquisitive minds" who are into the hard facts and scientific, medical, peer-reviewed proof yet they still believe in this way of eating? Check this thread out if you haven't already: http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/sho...highlight=arky

I mean, I can understand you seeking scientific proof or whatever, but why is that people's experiences which you've read here on this very board and other places not proof enough of weight loss and healed diseases? Can't speak for the tooth remineralization as the only person I've read of so far was Sergei Boutenko...but there are real people, everyday, getting real results of weightloss and healing...why is that not proof enough as far as that's concerned?

You say you only have one body, tell me this, whatever way you ate previously...what (beneficial) things did that way of eating do for your body? You say you don't have a lot of money to invest in things you cannot prove...what are you investing in? All you have to do is eat fresh foods! If you don't want to do it the simple way, then you might invest in a few pieces of equipment to make stuff and you already have two books plus recipes from this forum...don't really need more than that. And you say you don't want to spread things you cannot back up...why do you have to spread it at all? I mean, all you have to do is live it. If it's not working for you, then that's another story...but if it is, your LIFE will be your testimony and the proof WILL be in the pudding. But how much of a chance have you truly given this?

Also, did you ever check out what I wrote to you in this thread: http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/sho...2531#post92531

I still can't understand for the life of me why people expect to get medical science and conventional doctors to side with this way of life when it goes against most (if not all) of what they were taught and what they promote (take prescription drugs to stifle the problem).

Yeah, there are a handful of MD's who will advocate a raw foods diet, but most of them simply will not so I don't look for their validation. I've trusted in doctors for most of my life and so have all my family members who are now suffering with disease and STILL taking their drugs as well as their advice and getting worse and worse as each day goes by.

I'm not attacking YOU Druid, but it just appears that you have had some challenges with this raw lifestyle for a while now and your post does, indeed, feel like an attack on the intelligence of those who have lived this lifestyle and reaped many rewards of it. If people here say their tooth decay healed, then it did...if people say they lost weight (which many actually SHOW through pictures) then they did...if people here say they used to suffer diabetes or high blood pressure, etc and since being raw they are healed of it, they are!

RP, I LOVE this...
"If a person believes -- you can NOT make them disbelieve, if a person does not believe -- you can NOT convince them"

AMEN to that!! \o/

[jenna rose]

I think the scientific fact is in our own bodies reaction to eating raw.

That's good enough for me.

[Colin]

Try it for yourself. I think all of us are unique yet similar. We need fresh air, sunshine rest, exercise, play, meaningful work, a faith, healthy relationships, clean water, mental and emotional poise, etc. And a lot of science is not real proof--it is still theory and changes with time. For myself I am healthier on a diet which consists of fruit, vegetables nuts and seeds as opposed to a SAD diet. As far as unique goes, I find it's important to try and find something that works for me so that I am not at odds with myself for example if I am not always 100% raw than I am failing. No, I am eating better and trying to look after myself and find some sanity around eating and not obsessing and finding a good relationship with food. The best science is what works for you.

[dreamrawalwz]

Isn't eating raw food and feeling 100x better proof enough? Why do you need the numbers if you can phsycially feel the difference? Why not just DO it instead of reading up on it? There is proof that eating a cooked diet is harmful to one's health. I beleive that since everyone has been raised on cooked that they fear the alternative (even if it is much better for them) becuase it is *different* Going raw can't hurt anything. Look around at all those that are healing and thriving and what more proof does anyone need?

[michigan roman]

during past summers when the corn was in some times ide cut the ends off ears of corn because of bug damage or disease , ide throw this out on my compost heap . and i came to see that the squirrels in my yard loved it . then one winter during a bad cold streak i opened up some canned corn and sprinkled it around trees for squirrels and they wouldnt eat 1 kernel , even though they were freezing to death . their senses of scent and taste told them that there was zero food value to that canned / heated corn . they also ate all the corn i tried to grow in my garden . that made a very big impression on me .

[theresaann]

I think a lot of nutritional science can't be proven other than experientially because we still don't fully understand how food interacts with the body completely and there are so many other influences, esp. emotional stress and also environmental toxins.

So those same "macronutrients" a scientist is studying can behave differently in different people depending on so many factors. It seems to me where science becomes religion we are in trouble. In all fairness, when ideology becomes science we are also in trouble. Why not detox, meditate, exercise healthfully for awhile and then trust our BODIES to tell us what they need?

[druid]

meant to mention this. I am 100% vegan, been this way for almost 4 years. The reason I changed over was heart attacks, etc, happening to people I know and love then I got into animal rights.

Im not saying that Raw is wrong or that the proof isnt in the pudding. I want to be able to back up WHY Im doing this with proof, research, documentation, etc when asked or challenged. I dont think that its too much to ask for.

I don't think anything is all happy. Raw must have a 'darker' side or it would be a no brainer. Everyone everywhere would be doing this.

[Colin]

there is more research promoting the SAD and drugs and medicines and weight loss pills and so on because that is the norm in society and business.

Also everyone everywhere is not really interested to pay the price for optimum health. it is easier to believe that Wheaties and milk and a banana is health promoting as opposed to eating an organic meal of fruits and so on. McDonalds is the norm, not sane healthy eating. If I am waiting for society to wake up and actually really care about clean water, fresh air and healthy principles, then I am going to be waiting a long long time. We are somewhat insane as a society. It is not sane to pig out and then not exercise and believe that a bottle of pills for a hundred dollars is going to shrink my belly fat.

[Revvell]

Everyone everywhere would be doing this.

There's adequate proof about a lot of things ~ that microwaving not only destroys the nutrients in the food yet changes the molecular struture of the people eating it, yet, people still microwave.

It's been proven that meat is not good for a body and cow's milk was made for their calves yet, as you know, the meat and dairy industry has VERY deep pockets.

Most everyone eats for convenience, not for health and nutrition.

How much scientific proof do you have that a vegan diet is better than a vegetarian diet? Whatever proof you've got, I, or someone here can come up with the opposite.

Personally, I don't get how/why you expect to be "challenged" about your food choices. Whose business is it and why do you need to defend it? Now, if you say you'd like to educate someone who is truly interested, that would be a different matter IMO.

For more info pick up Craig Sommer's book ~ The Raw Foods Bible. He's got quite a bit of "scientific" data.

Revvell

[druid]

To me, its not about belly fat, its about the health I want to maintain. Its about the environment we have. What we will leave for our kids and their kids.

But again, where is scientific proof? I want to find people that AREN'T raw and have them study it. No strings attached.

[Revvell]

But again, where is scientific proof? I want to find people that AREN'T raw and have them study it. No strings attached.

... o.k.... *shrugs*

[Punky]

Everyone everywhere would be doing this.

Everyone everywhere are doing things that are scientifically proven
to destroy one's health, i.e. smoking cigerettes for example.

It's proven that certain foods are bad for the body and promote type 2 diabetes,
yet it is on the rise! in children even.
You get the picture...