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I've been reading the thread on "raw and does it cause an eating disorder". Great thread! I had a knee jerk reaction of "God, no!" and "Raw helps my eating disorder", but after a bit of thinking and reading other's replies I kind of opened up my own thinking. For me, I know I will always obsess over food. I will always obsess over the way I look. I've tried so many ways to get out of that thinking, therapy, medications, books, workbooks, everything I could find. Some things worked for a while, but I always ended up back where I started. It's funny how I can be so convinced that the "new plan" is the solution, follow it to a T and then, a few weeks/months later, fail so completely.

My latest attempt at getting over this was to realize that there are no "bad foods". I had tried this years ago without success but thought with some maturity under my belt, I would do better this time around. I went to the grocery store and bought all those forbidden foods and brought them home to begin the healing. I ate and ate and ate. I would start out with breads and move to cheeses then chips, cookies and finally as if I just needed an immediate high, I was eating frosting right out of the container. Container after container for days. I probably would have mainlined sugar if I could have figured out how. I did this for 2 weeks with no end in sight. I felt sick, I felt hideous. I tried so hard to be "mindful" and I tried to be patient and accepting, let it run it's course. I couldn't. There were no realizations, just an overwhelming sadness. I felt like a machine, just here to devour. I felt trapped yet totally out of control. I then began the purging.

With this experience I learned, once again, that there are indeed bad foods.... for me. I have ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT that these foods are not only bad, but will kill me. Not by clogging my arteries or causing some disease, but by triggering the behavioral responses of my eating disorder. I know for certain that foods on this bad list, call it an obsessive list, will initiate a chain reaction that will always end the same way. They are trigger foods without a doubt. When I am raw I do not binge. I may eat like I have for the past few days, desserts for breakfast, lunch and dinner, but I don't binge and I never purge.

I will always have an eating disorder and eating raw is a way to keep it from destroying my life. Just like an alcoholic... once an alcoholic always an alcoholic. You could never tell an alcoholic that there are no bad drinks and let them drink into oblivion, tell them to accept the emotions, hoping they find the cause of their addiction and ultimately expect them to heal. Sometimes there is no “cure”, just maintenance marked by vigilance.

I have no illusions that I will always have to watch myself. I may want to find answers and heal but I know this takes time. Meanwhile I have to find something that I can do that will allow me to get by and live my life. This for me has meant being compulsively raw. :) And honestly I would far rather obsess over what is/isn't raw, darn almonds...sheesh! or “Am I getting enough vitamin B12 and what are my best sources?” than to fall victim to my out of control behaviors that my ED brings. I would rather be compulsively in control than compulsively out of control.

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  1. simply_michelle's Avatar
    my only concern is this: as someone who suffered many years with bulimia and anorexia, you cannot have black and white thinking. it cannot be all or nothing which we ED's are famous for. you still must learn to only eat when hungry and not to stuff emotions. to learn not to obsess. i think eating as close to raw as you can is great,but not to deprive yourself either.
  2. simply_michelle's Avatar
    not to obsess over how many calories you should or should not be having, but to learn to listen to your body. journal what you eat and how you felt when you ate it. most have EDs because they want to stuff how they feel and not feel it. you can stuff how you feel with raw foods as well as SAD foods. we must learn that it is ok to feel and to move through those feelings.
  3. simply_michelle's Avatar
    it is about control. EDs are all about control. at one time we were not able to control what was going on around us but by God we could control our intake of food or lack thereof! recovery is about healthy control. it is about not conforming to society, but what is healthy for our body. It is a long process, recovery is, and a journey I have been on for many years. I definitely believe in a mostly raw diet hand in hand with learning healthy control, and getting in touch with your feelings.
  4. avolove's Avatar
    Michelle- I absolutely agree that we should learn not to obsess and not to stuff and snuff out our feelings with food. I should say I cognitively know this :). Until I know this and am able to actually live it, what do I do? Isn't it better to be raw, albeit compulsively raw, then be out of control and hurting yourself? I am more "stable" raw and I hope that this will allow me to develop that healthy control and honor those feelings that I attempt to stuff.
  5. simply_michelle's Avatar
    i think you are correct to be eating the right things. however, you are not working on the "disorder" part by still stuffing and not feeling. it is like you are just choosing a healthier drug to use. kwim? have you gotten any professional help for your ED? EDs are not a food problem. It is just how they are manifested. For whatever reason, and I am sure there are good ones, this was your addiction of choice. you need to address the underlying causes.
  6. simply_michelle's Avatar
    you cannot stop an ED simply by changing the foods you eat. you need to treat it mind/body/and spirit. i understand you're thinking, believe me. but it does take more than just a change in food choices to treat an ED. I went through years of therapy both in patient and out patient and have continually educated myself and worked on myself. I had to hit rock bottom.
  7. simply_michelle's Avatar
    yes, I am glad you are making healthier choices, but it will take more than that to get that ED under control. are you thinking it is "raw" or nothing? like, what would you do if you "slipped" and ate something SAD? would you immediately feel guilty and feel the need to purge? see, it can't be like that. you have to be able to be ok with choices and move on. and not "punish" yourself for what you may be feel to be an imperfect choice once in awhile.
  8. simply_michelle's Avatar
    if you would like to talk more privately about this, please feel free to email me.

    mhugginsboyea@yahoo.com

    i'll do whatever i can to help.


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