anyone know what is best for liver cleaning

[Rainbow]

Hi all,
I wonder if someone here knows what is good for liver cleaning except apple, carrot, and beet.

I start to drink black radish juice.. (very bitter,,spicy )
I really wish to speed up liver detox. Liver is my main problem...

Thanks in advance,
blessing

[misslinda]

Rainbow,

How are your bowels?

Dandelion root is very poweful cleanser and detoxifier. I would suggest only 1 oz a day.

Greens are liver friendly.

Concentrated forms of cleansing aside from eating, can be drying to the organs so use conseratively.

Herb: Red clover

Excess mucous in intesinte and organs for removal is helpful. The raw eating not only hs the bulk and fiber to rid carry out the toxins and such but it also aids in creatinga healthy terrain for the stoamch bacteria/health bowels.

[lavendarJ]

you could also try a day or two of eating lemons, grapefruits, and oranges if you can handle all the citrus.....it is a good way to cleanse and still enjoy yummy fruit

[Rainbow]

Thank you for your information!
I only have one BM now..
I am going to break fast tomorrow... I want to eat raw food...

You start to eat solid food now?

I am happy to have this juice fasting exprience....

happy to know you here,
with blessing

[misslinda]

Ah, yes Rainbow that is right you are still fasting. When you come off the fast, toxins etc are still floating so how you eat will help move them down via colon. How are you feeling better?

Elizabeth finished her 10 day water fast!

I am slowly transitioning into foods.......did a smoothie a few days ago and added juices. I will have solid starting tomorrow.

Keep me posted!! :)

[Rainbow]

Hi Linda,

I did mistake for ending my fast :o . I did 51-day of juice fasting (first 20-day, I did not stain my juice due to the ignorance). So I won't count 51 days.

I took a salad and a two times of chinese herb (I got it before from my CHinese doctor for my liver and kidney). IT WAS a mistake, I am feeling pain day long like metal inside. I began to have several diarrhea now and feel weak. I stop chinese herbs. and will be back to juice from this evening.
After I feel stable, I will introduce my food by green smoothies, such as use one smoothie to replace one juice meal...then two smoothies... after I accept smoothies, start salad..

My two mistakes put me in such suffering.....

Breaking fast is so important..

Wish all the other fasters are fine with their ending the fast..

Lina, I have question for you:

According to TCM, we should not eat too much raw and cold food, becuase it is very bad to spleen. then will inflence to kidney, then liver.
All the food have nutritions as well as characteristics of climats (cold, warm, hot..). Food changes its characteristics after cooking. I feel very struggling with this conflicts.
Could we combile TCM philosophy with Raw food?

I would like to find a way for this...Do yo have something to share with me?

Many thanks for your support,
with blessing

[Rainbow]

you could also try a day or two of eating lemons, grapefruits, and oranges if you can handle all the citrus.....it is a good way to cleanse and still enjoy yummy fruit


Hi LavendarJ,

Thanks for the suggestion....I start eating orange and lemons and some sprout.. I feel fine now.
I will go to 100% raw to do body build up. I am only 45 kilos (165cm high).
I may set up second term of fasting when I am ready. My tast is changed now,, I like raw taste so much after juice fasting..

I lOVE this board.... there are so many supportive people..

With blessing

[misslinda]

rainbow (!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Chinese herbs while fasting????????? Oh god, i wish i had known to stop you----did he know you were fasting and what did he give you?

what symptoms do you suffer from???

yes, that philosophy about spleen,liver/kidneys is what i have been working on--i ignore the cooking part of chinese philosophy. Spleen takes the purified water and evaporate into lungs and the energy from foods to disperse. so when liver is sluggish, spleen is sluggish too.

when you look in mirror, you left side of tongue, any dark spots or a little while coating on sides?

so if yam is good for spleen than I make it into a soup with a little coconut milk and warm water add CHI spice like cardamom. that way the spices gives life force to yam. life force meaning to flow in the body. not meaning alive (as in enzymes)

this is what ifind to be helpful........

i always keep hands,feet and neck warm.

i only consume warm water

added "spices" ginger,cayenne,cardamom

i avoid melons,excess citrus until i am strenghtened

LIVER has to be detoxed and strengthend to have healthy spleen.

Accupressure on spleen pts

i keep fruits and veggies at room temp. excess juices create dampness. bitter veggies divert the dampness.

excess sugars are dampening too. i will warm my spinach not cook but warm it and add a little cayenne.

too many salads make me damp too.

i always eat in a warm environment



I created this for my health issues so it may not be good for you depending on diagnosis.

:)

[piedpipermodel01]

I'm on my 4th day of juice fasting. I've been Raw for 5 months now 6 in March, but I decided to do a 2 week juice fasting. I'm currently drinking E3 Live, (Kale, Spinach, Parsley Beet, Lemon, Ginger Juice), Coconut Juice, Carrot Juice, and (Apple, Lemon, Ginger, Cayenne Juice)....and of course water. Feeling good, I haven't had any bad crisis or anything yet.

[Rainbow]

Dear Linda,

Thank you for your reply!!! I am very happy to know some Asain raw food people.
If you can be raw, I can also. (some Chinese doctor said to me that Westerns eat a lot of meat from generation to generation and they have too much yang inside, so raw can balance. We chinese eat a lot vegetables and do not have so much yang as they have. So they are against raw. I do not agree but I would like to experience).

Me too, I start to warm my raw food. If the juice is too cold, I retain in my mouth for a while.

My medince was prescribed one year ago. I do not know what it was inside.
It was a big mistake to take that one. I felt weak afterwards, in fact, I felt very strong physically during fast.

I am thinking of doing some body building up and then back to fasting again.
My detoxification was not finished when I broke my fast..

You know so many things.. I copy your message so I can practice later..

Thanks a lot! and with light and blessing







rainbow (!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Chinese herbs while fasting????????? Oh god, i wish i had known to stop you----did he know you were fasting and what did he give you?

what symptoms do you suffer from???

yes, that philosophy about spleen,liver/kidneys is what i have been working on--i ignore the cooking part of chinese philosophy. Spleen takes the purified water and evaporate into lungs and the energy from foods to disperse. so when liver is sluggish, spleen is sluggish too.

when you look in mirror, you left side of tongue, any dark spots or a little while coating on sides?

so if yam is good for spleen than I make it into a soup with a little coconut milk and warm water add CHI spice like cardamom. that way the spices gives life force to yam. life force meaning to flow in the body. not meaning alive (as in enzymes)

this is what ifind to be helpful........

i always keep hands,feet and neck warm.

i only consume warm water

added "spices" ginger,cayenne,cardamom

i avoid melons,excess citrus until i am strenghtened

LIVER has to be detoxed and strengthend to have healthy spleen.

Accupressure on spleen pts

i keep fruits and veggies at room temp. excess juices create dampness. bitter veggies divert the dampness.

excess sugars are dampening too. i will warm my spinach not cook but warm it and add a little cayenne.

too many salads make me damp too.

i always eat in a warm environment



I created this for my health issues so it may not be good for you depending on diagnosis.

:)

[Arky]

You can learn a lot from examining the ingredients of commercial cleansing formulas. Burdock is one ingredient which frequently appears in liver-cleansing formulas, for example. That and dandelion, which is highly diuretic and mineral-rich.

http://www.blessedherbs.com/index.cgi?id=84588215718&sp=3673&c=Internal_Cleansing&sc=Formulas&tc=

http://www.energiseforlife.com/item--Alkalive-d-tox-Detoxification-Complex--30.html


J.

[Rainbow]

Hi piedpipermodel01,

Thanks for sharing your fasting recipe. I will modify mine according to yours.
I will add ginger for sure..
Wish you happy fasting,

with blessing

[Rainbow]

Hi Arky,

Thanks for your information, i will take close study on it. And experience afterwards.

It is wonderful broad...




You can learn a lot from examining the ingredients of commercial cleansing formulas. Burdock is one ingredient which frequently appears in liver-cleansing formulas, for example. That and dandelion, which is highly diuretic and mineral-rich.

http://www.blessedherbs.com/index.cgi?id=84588215718&sp=3673&c=Internal_Cleansing&sc=Formulas&tc=

http://www.energiseforlife.com/item--Alkalive-d-tox-Detoxification-Complex--30.html


J.

[misslinda]

Rainbow....Nee-how-ma!!!?!!?!!!

Try not to do too many different things to liver--body really sensitive. You can over dry organs with over cleansing...

I don't know if you're chinese doctor told you but herbs after 3 months become not good for body ,kind of like toxic (this is the best way I can describe for now)so that's why the herbs are stopped after a certain point.

need to have CHI like ginger or ginseng to move the herb in the body. Make sense?

Why do you take medecine? what for?

Don't worry about stopping your fast. Even though you are eating, the body still had toxins floating and the food will carry it out.

I am doing really really good and healing IT'S INCREDIBLE!


Arky, thank you for the tip! :)

Piedepiper, Welcome adn congrats on your fast! It shows? :)

[Arky]

Don't forget wheatgrass juice, too. Wigmore followers swear by it's detoxing abilities, taken both orally and rectally (i.e. enemas).


J.

[Advid]

For liver and bladder cleaning, you can try a detox method including drinking apple juice, then warming liver and drinking extra virgin olive oil and lemon juice. This results in releasing soft stones from your bladder. Those "stones" will leave your body the next day. Before this procedure is recommended light food (but if you are a raw fooder, then it is not neccessary). I'll try to find exact method and post it.

I tried it personally and id worked. Even after one 21 day water fast there were some stones the next day. BTW I'm 26.

I have found this: http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver

[karenisraw]

I guess milk thistle is supposed to be a wonder drug for your liver. A guy at the NHF store said hospital emergency rooms keep it there in case someone comes in with mushroom poisoning. It is supposed to help support the liver and even regenerate the building of the liver. I took it to help with cleaning out the liver and to try to rebuild it since I have slight liver damage from a gall bladder attack a couple of years ago.

k
:)

[Rainbow]

Dear Linda,
You can even speak Chinese?, amazing to me!

I am so happy for your doing so good!! Are you still on juice diet?
or smoothies or back to solid food?

I learn a lot from you. It might God arrangement that you help me.

Yes, the herbs were toxin to my body, I took two times and stop.

The reason was that I wished to speed up my liver cleaning and thought that herbs could do me good. It was on the oposite.

I am back to solid raw food now: green smoothies (with a bit ginger), salad, and juice. Feel very delicious with raw food and do not crave for cooked food.

Today, I had dinner with colleagues in a Chinese restraurant. They had everything but no salad. I ended up with drinking a flower tea for the whole evening and felt no hungry...

Linda, I need to be patient and give my body time to heal itself. i strongly believe it can heal all.....

You gave me hope, thanks..

much love and blessing





Rainbow....Nee-how-ma!!!?!!?!!!

Try not to do too many different things to liver--body really sensitive. You can over dry organs with over cleansing...

I don't know if you're chinese doctor told you but herbs after 3 months become not good for body ,kind of like toxic (this is the best way I can describe for now)so that's why the herbs are stopped after a certain point.

need to have CHI like ginger or ginseng to move the herb in the body. Make sense?

Why do you take medecine? what for?

Don't worry about stopping your fast. Even though you are eating, the body still had toxins floating and the food will carry it out.

I am doing really really good and healing IT'S INCREDIBLE!


Arky, thank you for the tip! :)

Piedepiper, Welcome adn congrats on your fast! It shows? :)

[Rainbow]

Hi Advid,

Are you saying that you have passed stone during and after 21-day of fasting?

Does this mean: fasting can clean the liver stone? If it is so, we do not need liver flush. Fasting is more nature than flush, don't you think so?

If we can never clean our liver by fasting, then liver flush is a must.
Through your experience, could you judge which statement is right?

Thanks for your reply in advance,
love, peace and blessing




For liver and bladder cleaning, you can try a detox method including drinking apple juice, then warming liver and drinking extra virgin olive oil and lemon juice. This results in releasing soft stones from your bladder. Those "stones" will leave your body the next day. Before this procedure is recommended light food (but if you are a raw fooder, then it is not neccessary). I'll try to find exact method and post it.

I tried it personally and id worked. Even after one 21 day water fast there were some stones the next day. BTW I'm 26.

I have found this: http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver

[Rainbow]

Thanks for reminding....Wheatgrass is ready to use now..



Don't forget wheatgrass juice, too. Wigmore followers swear by it's detoxing abilities, taken both orally and rectally (i.e. enemas).


J.

[Rainbow]

Dear Karen,
Thank you for your information and experience on thistle. I will try to get more knowledge about this.
love, peace, light, blessing!


I guess milk thistle is supposed to be a wonder drug for your liver. A guy at the NHF store said hospital emergency rooms keep it there in case someone comes in with mushroom poisoning. It is supposed to help support the liver and even regenerate the building of the liver. I took it to help with cleaning out the liver and to try to rebuild it since I have slight liver damage from a gall bladder attack a couple of years ago.

k
:)

[Arky]

On the subject of liver support, Anhydrous Betaine is known to support liver function. Patrick Holford is the man to read on this - his book 'The H Factor' will explain, sorry I'm waay too tired to tackle this right now, I need sleep!


J.

[Advid]

Rainbow:

This my sentence:
Even after one 21 day water fast there were some stones the next day.

means: I fasted 21 days in November and 14 days ago I did liver clensing. So it means that the fast hasn't cleaned the whole body.

You have written:
If we can never clean our liver by fasting, then liver flush is a must.

I agree.

[Rainbow]

Hi Advid,

Thanks for the clarification.
I think 21-day of water fast is enough. More than 21-day of water fast is too tough to get through. I remembered someone said that a guy was put on water fast by his nature doctor, after 26 days, he started passing liver stone. If we do juice fasting long enough, we should be able to pass stones.
If we assume the juice fasting speed is only half of water, we should start to pass stone after 52-day. I stop my fast earlier that 52, I missed the important part. I will have another try..then.

love ,peace, and blessing


Rainbow:

This my sentence:
Even after one 21 day water fast there were some stones the next day.

means: I fasted 21 days in November and 14 days ago I did liver clensing. So it means that the fast hasn't cleaned the whole body.

You have written:
If we can never clean our liver by fasting, then liver flush is a must.

I agree.

[Rainbow]

Arky,

Have a good sleep! Sleeping is very important. We renew our cells during the sleep. Also we would better sleep early, then the liver can renew and work on.
Otherwise,we will form more stones in liver..

much light and blessing


On the subject of liver support, Anhydrous Betaine is known to support liver function. Patrick Holford is the man to read on this - his book 'The H Factor' will explain, sorry I'm waay too tired to tackle this right now, I need sleep!


J.

[misslinda]

Rainbow, what diagnosis did TC doctor give you?

are you spleen deficient?

damp/cold or damp/hot?

too much juice is dampening. if you do juice,best a little ginger.

sometimes liver is weak b/c of spleen deficient so taking stuff for spleen helps to "fire" liver. liver on chinese clock 1-3 am.

do you have phlegm problem ? cold hands?


good to hear you are eating solid foods.

ml :)

[Arky]

Ok, having had some(!) sleep, I'll just add to my previous post that the anhydrous betaine (trimethylglyceine -' TMG') aids the liver by providing methyl donors to the body, which make the job of disarming toxic elements within the body considerably easier. TMG also reduces the drain on certain B vitamins, thus assisting in the lowering of homocysteine levels in the blood.


J.

[Rainbow]

Hi Linda,

Thank you for your conerning about me. You support me a lot!!I am very grateful.

A year ago, when I was back to China I visited a good Chinese doctor. He said that my liver, kidney and lung were not in good condition. I only had BM every week or two week. I thought I was very sick. After the taking the medition, I started to have BM everyday,and I felt so good.. Later, I stop the medition and decided to go for raw. Last year, I tried raw food but fell back to cooked food again. But I did see the great hope from raw food. First time, in my life, I did not feel sick and vormit on car or bus. I feel no more short of breath. Suddenly I received a lot of oxygen. That is why I started my fasting to get back to raw food this year.

I discover that Psoriasis spread over my legs (I have this since I was very little) and my My body just rejected the solid food, so today I swift back to juice again. I feel much much better. I am thinking that I stop the fast when my detox is just half-way.

As you suggested, I start to put ginger on every juice and feel so good after drinking.

I felt cold all the time before and now I am getting better. In fact, I put my arms outside during sleeping. It means I have fire inside but coldness outside.

You know when live works? that is amazing! All our organs work in different hours.
Your personal experience on raw food is very helpful to me.

Are you going well with your post-fasting? I will be careful to come off the fast.

Much love and blessing






Rainbow, what diagnosis did TC doctor give you?

are you spleen deficient?

damp/cold or damp/hot?

too much juice is dampening. if you do juice,best a little ginger.

sometimes liver is weak b/c of spleen deficient so taking stuff for spleen helps to "fire" liver. liver on chinese clock 1-3 am.

do you have phlegm problem ? cold hands?


good to hear you are eating solid foods.

ml :)

[Rainbow]

Thanks Arky for your information. I am searching the meaning of TMG and will need to study a bit on this to know what it is.
blessing!


Ok, having had some(!) sleep, I'll just add to my previous post that the anhydrous betaine (trimethylglyceine -' TMG') aids the liver by providing methyl donors to the body, which make the job of disarming toxic elements within the body considerably easier. TMG also reduces the drain on certain B vitamins, thus assisting in the lowering of homocysteine levels in the blood.


J.

[misslinda]

OMG, Rinbow me too !!!!!!!!! I have psoriasis...........i wasn't having bm's either maybe once a week if lucky

stomach lining issue!!!!!!!!!

I have something for it......... :)

[Rainbow]

Dearest Linda,

We must understand each other very well, as we have same problem. How is your psoriasis? Is it getting better through this fast? We can together get rid of it.

According to TCM, psoriasis is a toxin running out to the surface. The toxin is in blood and liver. People who has psoriasis will not get cancer for the toxin can always run to the surface. But it is suffering.

I took a lot of medicine, still no use. One of my fasting goal is to get rid of it completely. Juice fast should do good on it, as it cleans our blood, and liver.

I will pray for you...it will be cleared up..

Much love and blessing

[Rainbow]

Linda, I forgot to tell you. you can put some wheatgrass juice on your place of psoriasis. It helps. But totally getting rid of it need to cure the source: blood and liver..
i wish you all well!!!

[misslinda]

Oh Rainbow,

Your too sweet thanks for thie prayers I love that! :) I will send you love and prayers in Belgium..........


OMG, I am 90% healed. Fasting helped some but I did these things.......


Repair intestinal lining (most important) with slippery elm water

after I did that I had more better results

The did yellow dock for lymphatic still doing elm water

Then rejuvenate liver/kidney and spleen

Eating raw is very much healing..........

I use to have red bumps the size of a quarter and very scary looking. Now, my sis you can't even see it.


the tricky thing about psoriasis and other autoimmune, the organs are already over worked and underworked so you have to work on both ends...........detox,cleansing,rebuilding and rejuvenating is working all at the same time so it feel frustraing the first month but I can't be a happier!!!!!

:)

[Rainbow]

Dearest Linda,
I am so happy for your healing 90% of skin problem!! You bring me a hope:-)
Do you drink elm water? Where did you get it?..

I came across your photos by random image show. It is really you! I read through your messages, really encouraging and inspiring. You are gorgous and very loving girl!!!
God will always bless you!

[misslinda]

Rainbow, how have you been since endng your fast?

IF you ever get a chance, yellow dock root is great bitter for lymphatic cleansing and would assist liver off the work load.

Are you taking probiotic for flora?

:)

[Rainbow]

Hi Linda, how are you? I am on juice day-7 now. I am entering detox again.
I have mild pain on liver and coated tough, headache, etc. I plan to extend the fast one or two more weeks and see how it goes. I am not taking any herbs for the moment.
Thank you for your thinking of me. I found what yellow dock root mean in Chinese. I can ask my relative in china to buy for me. I believe it must be very good for liver and lymphatic.

It is very beautiful today, we have so clear blue sky with white cloud drifting around. Sunshine rays are pouring inside the room I feel very peaceful.

Today, I discover that I can sit with legs cross (half lutos) without feeling pain anymore. Before, I could only sit like this for 20 minutes. I belive my detox will improve my meditation quality.

I have a long way to go but I am happy on the path.

Thanks a lot, Linda, for your supporting and love during my difficult period.
Much blessings and love to you,



Rainbow, how have you been since endng your fast?

IF you ever get a chance, yellow dock root is great bitter for lymphatic cleansing and would assist liver off the work load.

Are you taking probiotic for flora?

:)

[Guydiane]

http://www.kidneycleanse.com/#liver

Has several cleanses

[misslinda]

Hi Linda, how are you? I am on juice day-7 now. I am entering detox again.
I have mild pain on liver and coated tough, headache, etc. I plan to extend the fast one or two more weeks and see how it goes. I am not taking any herbs for the moment.
Thank you for your thinking of me. I found what yellow dock root mean in Chinese. I can ask my relative in china to buy for me. I believe it must be very good for liver and lymphatic.

It is very beautiful today, we have so clear blue sky with white cloud drifting around. Sunshine rays are pouring inside the room I feel very peaceful.

Today, I discover that I can sit with legs cross (half lutos) without feeling pain anymore. Before, I could only sit like this for 20 minutes. I belive my detox will improve my meditation quality.

I have a long way to go but I am happy on the path.

Thanks a lot, Linda, for your supporting and love during my difficult period.
Much blessings and love to you,


HOw come you couldn't sit with legs crossed before???? I ask becuz I wasn't able to sit that way very long either----wow, we have so much in common! :eek:

I am happy for you that you feel peace inside with beautiful sunshine rays.

Yellow dock is mellow (soft to body) not like some herbs that are too strong and effects quickly.

Keep us posted! I wish you liver all the love and cleansing.... ;)


Thank you Guydiane for that link!!!! :)



:)

[Rainbow]

Dear Linda,

Today, I am feeling so thirty. I have beening drinking all the time at office.
And I have BM in the morning. A lot of healing is on-going in my liver and kidney. I am feeling more confident for the second round.
We will reach the freedom and peace land..
Much love and blessing,

[Arky]

A nice overview of liver and blood cleansing is provided in this free eBook:

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11592


All the best!

J.

[Rainbow]

Hi Arky, thanks for the information. I downloaded that book will read it.
blessings

[aromaticwings]

MissLinda and Rainbow,
following you two here has been very informative for me. i want to embark on a fast soon and would love to learn more..

I recently got a book by Ron Teeguarden discussing the Chinese Tonic herbs and thought it was so interesting. His website is http://www.dragonherbs.com/

David Wolfe highly recomends the quality of these tonics.. Anyway listening to you two talk I want to learn more. Wishing I had someone close that could guide me in the problems of my body and what route to chose first.. Is there a site that explains what to look for when looking at your face and nails and such? I know there is a way to tell just by looking at someone... but can not for the life of me remember what it is called.

Right now I do not have any major health problems.. getting up there in age..(50) had a touch of arthritis in my knees and due to lack of exercising previous have had a hard time breathing after exertion of more then a few minutes.. I am very overweight.. I have had a couple seizures in the past due to unknown reasons. Doctor said it was probably due to the trauma of my late fiance dieing and me not taking care of myself while taking care of him.. got my body off kilter somehow..I was to take medication for it for life but took myself off after a year.. I am not disciplined enough for meds.. did fine for a few years then wasn't eating right or getting rest and had another.. again was supposed to take meds but haven't because my doctor told me liver enzymes were very elevated and I knew the seizure med was the reason.it has been 6 years since last seizure so I know diet is a big thing.... he also told me I was pre-diabetic and needed to lose weight and change diet or I would be diabetic. But never told me much as to how. Since have lost insurance so no more doctors for me... Just need to eat raw and go the way God wanted me to eat to begin with.

Started my raw food quest ..seriously only recently.. after many starts and stops... eating raw has helped my arthritis and breathing tremendously. Now that I am in between jobs I would like to try a fast..want to get my liver cleaned out and kidneys and gall bladder.. the stay on raw food for good 100%. Over all I feel pretty healthy but who knows what is going on inside.. I want to get this nipped in the bud before something surprises me.. ;)

Ok I am a rambeler.. sorry...

[misslinda]

Started my raw food quest ..seriously only recently.. after many starts and stops... eating raw has helped my arthritis and breathing tremendously. Now that I am in between jobs I would like to try a fast..want to get my liver cleaned out and kidneys and gall bladder.. the stay on raw food for good 100%. .


Hi AW,

I think that would be my concern to you..........why haven't you been able to stay raw eating? where as fasting, you are not eating.

:)

[aromaticwings]

Don't really know..addictions to foods, negativity in my life, always stress..seems more times then not. All of the above..

I have been writing a journal for the past year off and on and it seems the pattern is.. several of the above.. maybe just out right laziness.

when the going gets tough with stresses and negativities.. I collaps in my resolve to keep going.. financial was alot of it too with hubby being VERY S.A.D.

I can honestly say I have felt the benefits of raw.. Love them.. want to keep them.. and this is why I keep coming back. Each time it is for longer periods also..

I get so frustrated with myself for backing down.. then hate my other half for making me feel like a hypocrite... ok so I know in reality he doesn't MAKE me feel this way.. it is a feeling I CHOSE to feel .. but none the less it is there.. so I wallow in self pity for a bit then get back on the horse that just threw me. I am a survivor of many types of fights.. Why can I not win this one?

JUST DO IT!! I keep telling myself.. it isn't hard..you love the way you feel. You love how it makes you look.. AND if you continued you would love your body too because it would finally get rid of the fat and you would feel better about yourself.. I can not believe that the fat is something I hide behind.. Just isn't me.. I am not a hider...

Just trying to get through some mental stuff again I guess.. not knowing what to deal with to help..I keep coming back to negativity.. I feel negativity in my adult life has been a big portion of why I am fat. Comfort foods and such.. and going through some hard financial times althrough then and right now with a man that has no drive is not helping..plus not supporting me when I need the support the most...sooooo .. get rid of him? yes. something I would have done and have to several others years ago.. But the thought of living alone again at 50 is not something I want right now might be easier and better for me... but don't really want that.. outside of the lack of support and no drive.. he is a good man.. fun to be with.. he is just having some problems of his own and I know that if he did raw more then not he would feel better himself... about himself.. I know it sure lifted alot of the big black cloud that used to hang over me.

Ever feel like that cloud is there and nothing you do got rid of it.. well raw has helped alot.. and again I am not one for drugs or staying down long.. but it seems to be keeping me down enough to where I feel I am going forward two steps and back ten..

So here is where I am .. starting or trying to keep on the raw path as much as posible.. trying not to fall again... with all the crap around me.. I AM GOING TO GET THIS MOVING FORWARD ...but like an old car tring to get running I spit and sputter and cough my way through.. eventually I will run if I have someone behind me pushing for support.. Like the little train.. I THINK I CAN, I THINK I CAN... I KNOW I WIL I KNOW I WILL.....very heavy sigh.

Added note: I do not kick myself and dwell on messing up... but have been trying to figure out WHY I have been messing up... There has to be a reason .. This comes so easy to some and for some reason I can go easily for awhile then WHAM! BASH! SPLAT! right into a wall... down for the count... I have not found anything consistant with the WHYs that make me hit those walls.. other then negativity.. but geesh this will be anywhere and all the time in this world.. got to find a way to block the negativity from getting through the armour... and allow the path to be continued. Question is HOW?

[Rainbow]

Dear Aromaticwings,

Sorry to reply you late. I was just passing my kidney pain on the verge of crying for quite few days. Now It is finished only a mild pain. I feel much better. I am still eliminating old stuff everyday. I add more green it works. My liver is improving, for my face is becoming smoother and hair start shining.

The real TCM can see all your problem by looking at your and listen to your voice.
fOR example:
Skin and eyes are reflecting our liver condition.
Hair and bone and teeth are reflecting our kidney.
Swollen eyes means retaining water,, it is a problem of kidney.
From vioce, we can see condition of lung...

Dear Aroma, what we experience in our life are lessons we should learn in this earth. Everyone has its own role to play. Have you ever read a book called "embrace the light" (I forgot exact name and author)? It is wonderful book to read. It reveals life in the eyes of God.

The world will change when we change ourselves. We are all connected.
I am happy you are trying something for good. Then try your best, if fail, forgive yourself and stand up again.God sees your heart and will bless you and will not blame you.

I see so many beautiful souls on this forum.....
we all support you and pray you to have happiness, joy and love in your life..
much love and blessing


MissLinda and Rainbow,
following you two here has been very informative for me. i want to embark on a fast soon and would love to learn more..

I recently got a book by Ron Teeguarden discussing the Chinese Tonic herbs and thought it was so interesting. His website is http://www.dragonherbs.com/

David Wolfe highly recomends the quality of these tonics.. Anyway listening to you two talk I want to learn more. Wishing I had someone close that could guide me in the problems of my body and what route to chose first.. Is there a site that explains what to look for when looking at your face and nails and such? I know there is a way to tell just by looking at someone... but can not for the life of me remember what it is called.

Right now I do not have any major health problems.. getting up there in age..(50) had a touch of arthritis in my knees and due to lack of exercising previous have had a hard time breathing after exertion of more then a few minutes.. I am very overweight.. I have had a couple seizures in the past due to unknown reasons. Doctor said it was probably due to the trauma of my late fiance dieing and me not taking care of myself while taking care of him.. got my body off kilter somehow..I was to take medication for it for life but took myself off after a year.. I am not disciplined enough for meds.. did fine for a few years then wasn't eating right or getting rest and had another.. again was supposed to take meds but haven't because my doctor told me liver enzymes were very elevated and I knew the seizure med was the reason.it has been 6 years since last seizure so I know diet is a big thing.... he also told me I was pre-diabetic and needed to lose weight and change diet or I would be diabetic. But never told me much as to how. Since have lost insurance so no more doctors for me... Just need to eat raw and go the way God wanted me to eat to begin with.

Started my raw food quest ..seriously only recently.. after many starts and stops... eating raw has helped my arthritis and breathing tremendously. Now that I am in between jobs I would like to try a fast..want to get my liver cleaned out and kidneys and gall bladder.. the stay on raw food for good 100%. Over all I feel pretty healthy but who knows what is going on inside.. I want to get this nipped in the bud before something surprises me.. ;)

Ok I am a rambeler.. sorry...

[misslinda]

So here is where I am .. starting or trying to keep on the raw path as much as posible.. trying not to fall again... with all the crap around me.. I AM GOING TO GET THIS MOVING FORWARD ...but like an old car tring to get running I spit and sputter and cough my way through.. eventually I will run if I have someone behind me pushing for support.. Like the little train.. I THINK I CAN, I THINK I CAN... I KNOW I WIL I KNOW I WILL.....very heavy sigh.

Added note: I do not kick myself and dwell on messing up... but have been trying to figure out WHY I have been messing up... There has to be a reason .. This comes so easy to some and for some reason I can go easily for awhile then WHAM! BASH! SPLAT! right into a wall... down for the count... I have not found anything consistant with the WHYs that make me hit those walls.. other then negativity.. but geesh this will be anywhere and all the time in this world.. got to find a way to block the negativity from getting through the armour... and allow the path to be continued. Question is HOW?



Aromatic, sorry to get back to you later than I thought, I have been thinking and thinking about what you posted. boy you sure have been and are going thru some deep emotional changes........fee like at the end of your rope?

how is your eating now? raw? sad? both?

do you think not being at the weight you want, keeps you from being raw for long periods? seems like weight is slow or the last to go? kind a frustrating.......?

what does fasting mean to you and what do you hope to accomplish?

how is raw eating harder than completely not eating (fasting)???? :confused:

[aromaticwings]

Aromatic, sorry to get back to you later than I thought, I have been thinking and thinking about what you posted. boy you sure have been and are going thru some deep emotional changes........fee like at the end of your rope?:

Yep, sometimes I sure do feel at the end of my rope!


how is your eating now? raw? sad? both?:

I figure I eat about 85% raw now. My heart wants me to be 100% but I know sometimes it can be hard. but then I wonder if it would hurt to be 85-15. Maybe some choices in lightly steamed or some warm soups would help keep the cooked meanies away.. I think about the extra acid ashes that are left by eating cooked and I am trying to rid myself of this extra crap out of my system.. this is why I want 100%.


do you think not being at the weight you want, keeps you from being raw for long periods? seems like weight is slow or the last to go? kind a frustrating.......?

No I do not feel the weight thing is part of the issue of not staying raw.. It is one of the many reasons I want to be raw but not something that keeps me from staying raw. other then the old bad SAD habits that throw me off sometimes..


what does fasting mean to you and what do you hope to accomplish?

As for fasting.. if my understanding of what it is for is correct.. I believe it is for cleaning the blood system and furter cellular systems out of toxic crap.. I am sure I have alot of "slidge" in my blood along with the fat on my body and the doctor told me I did have a "fatty liver" soooooo.. wanting to clean liver and kidneys out to help with the rest of the cleaning out of my body.. Have to start there right? I had a bad kidney infection when I was 3 that my mom blames my weight gain from coming from... I am unsure..really.. always been heavy after about age 15.. and I am 50 now.. alot of it is probably lack of movement on my part... I have lost some weight but not enough.. have a gut to get rid of.. :rolleyes:

how is raw eating harder than completely not eating (fasting)???? :confused:[/QUOTE]

I do not think raw is harder then fasting but they are about the same...but I am not totally sure why I hanve these continouse hurdles... over and over again...

[misslinda]

Yep, sometimes I sure do feel at the end of my rope!



I figure I eat about 85% raw now. My heart wants me to be 100% but I know sometimes it can be hard. but then I wonder if it would hurt to be 85-15. Maybe some choices in lightly steamed or some warm soups would help keep the cooked meanies away.. I think about the extra acid ashes that are left by eating cooked and I am trying to rid myself of this extra crap out of my system.. this is why I want 100%.



No I do not feel the weight thing is part of the issue of not staying raw.. It is one of the many reasons I want to be raw but not something that keeps me from staying raw. other then the old bad SAD habits that throw me off sometimes..



As for fasting.. if my understanding of what it is for is correct.. I believe it is for cleaning the blood system and furter cellular systems out of toxic crap.. I am sure I have alot of "slidge" in my blood along with the fat on my body and the doctor told me I did have a "fatty liver" soooooo.. wanting to clean liver and kidneys out to help with the rest of the cleaning out of my body.. Have to start there right? I had a bad kidney infection when I was 3 that my mom blames my weight gain from coming from... I am unsure..really.. always been heavy after about age 15.. and I am 50 now.. alot of it is probably lack of movement on my part... I have lost some weight but not enough.. have a gut to get rid of.. :rolleyes:

how is raw eating harder than completely not eating (fasting)???? :confused:

I do not think raw is harder then fasting but they are about the same...but I am not totally sure why I hanve these continouse hurdles... over and over again...[/QUOTE]

WOW, do you feel like you never lived your life b/c you have been fighting this for so so long?

I am not trying to steer you away from fasting but I hear you saying something interesting.........you said that you are not able to stay raw and you have hurdles but can't indentify them.............yet if you fast, are you concenred about being able to be raw???


Fasting has nothing to do with losing weight in my opnion. it just happens to happenddue to abstaining from food. Fasting as you may have come across on other sites, is a time to get away from the world,people,places and things and center ourselves within. it's a very intimate experience that involves physical,mental,emotional and spiritual detox symptoms. A return to your most inner being to replensich the peace that has been burdened.

I really encourage people to be successful at raw b/c there are soooooooooo many benefits to eating foods by the whole!!!!!!!!! Fiber is crucial for the good bacteria in our stomach,prevent fast absorption of sigar,asists colon,sloughs off toxins to the intestinal walls--the list goes on.

However, if you so wish to do a fast, take it day by day. there are so many fasting theads being started infact, someone started an Equinox fsat that begine march 20th. :)