Misslinda ER hospital

[misslinda]

Good mornig/afternoon or evening everyone,

I guess depending where your'e living......anyway, today is marked the "day 4 juice fast" but about 5:30 in the morning, my heart was pounding and breathing was a little hard. I was seen for these symptoms 3 years ago that involved overdose on diet pills (w epehdra), coffee and over the counter medications. I have not used thes items since 2001. So I have a specific question--Has anyone here suffered similar symptoms and did a juice fast but expereinced the sypmtoms and had to stop juice fasting??? The only thing odd in my blood work was glucose being 127H the topping range to be within their guidlines is 99. But then prior to paramedics, i had sips of blueberry juice.

I find this frustrating b/c I was very diligent and focused yet now this doesn't even seem good for me.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.


Feeling a little of everything right now,
Linda :o

[tglasco4]

Hi Linda,

You seem to be the type of person that is detail oriented. Which means you are precise type of individual. When I did my juice fast I felt all kinds of things. Depressed feelings, elevated feelings, melancholy feelings (did I spell that right?)...blah blah blah. But I really have a deep distrust of doctors. Almost to a fault I would say, in that I don't listen to most of what they have to say about anything. So if I died during my juice fast, I would have just died then :p . I guess I am saying that I have come to the conclusion that you would really benefit from advice of someone just like yourself. Someone like Jay maybe? Just a thought.

Peace.

Todd

[misslinda]

I suppose I should be talking to my naturopath but considering today is Sunday, I 'm a little anxious to pin point the cause. I'm comfortable with the emotional changes with the fast but being completely sleep and woken up with the inability to talk when these palps are oging on, are pretty scary and imobilizing.

I don't want to give up on rawness but Juicing may even be to intense of a transition right now--at this point I don't know and I cringe at that thought.


~linda

[Rawkinlocs]

I often hear/read that when one fasts that a lot of old stuff comes to the surface. For example, when my husband did a fast of sorts, old symptoms of his former Hyperthyroidism came to surface. One of things that occured during his illness back in '99 was a loss of body hair. The hair on his arms, legs, chest, etc. started falling out and he was practically hairless.

During his cleansing, he began losing body hair again and feeling a few symptoms of what he felt before. But about several days later, the symptoms he felt had diminished and about a week later, we both noticed the hair had come back in FULL force and he hasn't seen the problem again since.

So, I'm saying all that to say this...during our times of putting all trust in doctors and traditional medicine, etc., we tend to do a lot of surpressing of symptoms and thus, never really getting rid of the thing that plagued us. Doctors and ourselves tend to feel it's best to take a pill or take some kind of medicine to treat/mask the symptoms, but never really get rid of the problem. I don't know what the doctors did or gave you when you had the diet pill overdose, but although it was 2001 that you had the diet pills, it's not unheard of that you would still have residuals of it in your body, hidden and stored in fat and tissue. Now that you're doing a slightly deeper form of cleansing via fasting, that stuff is now being released from those hidden storage areas and you're experiencing the effects of it as it's trying to leave your body. The BEST thing you can probably do is to make sure you're eliminating well and frequently to get that stuff out. Enemas or (so I've heard) drinking hot/warm water with lemon juice in it will help flush that stuff out as well as drinking plenty of (room temp.) water to dilute and help flush out the toxins.

And REST as much as possible. That's one thing many fail to do when fasting...we feel great so we tend to keep doing and doing, but I keep reading that the body needs to rest because it's when our bodies rest/sleep that it heals.

[misslinda]

I'm all for juice fasting but I believe there is a fine line for me to address and that is probably what potential heart damage (((if any have I done))). What is serving ths cause and again I know that is something I will either have to search to findout or never know. One concern I have is if I am not "strong" enough to do a fast--then I potentially could be doing more harm then good. I've tried to talk myself into believeing that this episode is a result of "detox" but this is not the first time my blood sugar has raised a red flag.


What's interesting as I've been thinking, in the past during my unhealthy habits, I could go days without food and still maintain my sugar levels (energy). Now, if I go more than several hours without the next juicing or food, I get disoriented and the "panic" like symptoms on a smaller scale start. breathing becomes heavy too. So far, I see a pattern of sugar level problems. I'm juicing all certified organic fruits and veggies and doing 70% veggies and rest fruit that are considred average ont he Glycemic scale.

I appreicate everyone's input.


day 4 half juice half raw food,
linda :confused:

[misslinda]

Rawkinlocs,

What do you suggest for elimination since I have extreme adverse reaction to senna and the salt water flush as my naturoth indicated, may not be the best use. He is going to let me know monday but if you have any, please let me know. What do you use for enemas? I know for sure that coffee is out of the question as an enema.

This whole situation scare me like crazy.

:o linda

[Jay]

Hi Linda,

I'm sorry you had such a bad experience, I wish I could help you, but I've never really experienced those kind of things...
I hope you'll be on your feet in no time, and if you are really concerned, I'd say call your naturopath for some insight, I know it's sunday, but let's just hope he won't mind, besides it's your health so it's important, right?!

My thoughts go out to you :)

Joke

[misslinda]

Hey jay,

yeah I feel strange this afternoon. Thank you--unfortuantely, my naturopath does no give out an emergency number so monday will soo n have to come. sucks, it's almost christmas and this is the last thing I thought I would experience.

You know what really sucks? They gave me 2 IV's and can you believe that I gained 2 lbs from that crappy stuff--the time I was thinking about my juicer. So know I feel even worse. I'm gonna be strong and take it easy. I think if things go okay, I will juice 2 days at a time.

moving slower,
linda :o

[Jay]

Linda,

just know that it's okay to break your juicefast if you are starting to feel uncomfortable with it, just eat whole fruits again if you really want to, it's okay! I know you want to make it to ten days (or longer?) but if you think that it's too difficult to keep juicing right now because of what's happening, than by all means, break the fast! I just don't want you to get even more uncomfortable by keeping this juicefast if you think you might feel better eating whole fruits again... the decision is up to you, remember, we don't judge here, we only support!

Luv,
Joke

[misslinda]

Jay you know I take your words to heart these days-right? odes 2 slices of cheescake fall under taht category.

Literally, when this post came thru my mum had stopped by with a brand new box 16" of gourmet cheesecake and a bag full of non organic fruit. The funny thing is--I threw the fruit away b/c of it's chemicals but not the cheesecake.

I wish I could go back in time and come home and just had the cabbage juice like I did.

sighing,
linda

[LiveOne]

Dear Linda,

I'm new to this forum and I have to comment on this post - this happened to me as well except even worse. It is a body detox. For me it happened during a 3 day juice fast and suddenly my heart started pounding and I thought I was dying. My heart was pounding, I was shaking, hyperventalating and felt that my whole body was "tightening up". I didn't want to drink any more juice and was really freaking out. It just felt like a heart attack but I thought, it couldn't be that, I have never had heart problems.

I found out later that this is what's called a gallbladder attack. When your gallbladder/liver detoxes, as during a juice fast, you may have a gallstone that actually moves and blocks the opening, and may cause nausea or some kind of an "attack" like I had. I continued on the detox program and a few days later did a liver/gallbladder bomb and passed many, many gallstones. It was hell for a few days but I lost a ton of weight and ended up feeling great at the end. If you have a toxic liver/gallbladder you can also experience a lot of bad emotions - depression, anxiety, worriedness, sadness, etc. These, amazingly, went away to a great degree after I cleaned out my liver and gallbladder!

I almost went to the ER when I had this "attack" but luckily I had people around who helped me through it. I didn't want to go to a hospital where they would give me drugs and do bad things to me. So first thing I did was take some hawthorn berry extract which helped a little, and also lobelia is very helpful in this type of thing. But the most helpful thing was a combination of calcium and magnesium, made into a drink with a little apple cider vinegar. It has to be the right amounts exactly because if not it won't work. Email me and I'll give you the recipe. As soon as i drank this I went and threw up for a while and then felt 99% better - then went right to sleep.

So there is help for this - I've been through it! Please email me if you need any more help... goldenpoems@ameritech.net.

Love,

Lane

[misslinda]

OMG Lane I just left you a resonse in you post to get more info about your situation--I intuitively felt we may have some similarities. I'll email you to ge tmore info.

crossing my fingers,
linda

[Helen Of Tennessee]

Hi Linda,

Here is a neat post, explaining retracing. When someone cleans up their food intake and detox, the clean up in reverse. I know it might sound a little strange, but this post explains it a whole lot better. Scroll down to Zsuzsa's post:

http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?f=1&i=24832&t=24747

I've read stories where people could taste things they hadn't had since they were a child. One lady said she could taste crayons; when she was a child she did eat some. I know when I was first high raw I could taste a dish I use to eat when I was very young. I had forgotten about it. It was bread ripped up, with milk and white sugar on it. I use to eat that a lot as a child. I quit drinking milk when I was in 2nd grade and haven't tasted since. Then all of a sudden I could taste it. STRANGE!!!!! Anyway, it's just not taste but other diseases and feelings may come about too.

<>< Helen of Tennessee

[Sharon in Colorado]

Juice is a concentrated sugar and when I drink too much carrot juice, I feel like I've had several cups of strong coffee. I don't feel this way when I have orange juice or carrot juice mixed in with green juice. So, I'm thinking it may be the concetrated sugars and lack of fiber that is going through your body, and maybe causing your heart to palpitate.

[misslinda]

Hey Sharon,

Because I have a history of sugar level issues, I dont' juice entire fruits. I always mix greens with it. I only have one small carrot in a green mixture. The fruits I stick with if at all, is apple, melon, kiwi, tangerines, lemon and grapefruit. So the interesting thing is, I dont' think my juicing is causing the sugar elvels to act out (if that is the case) but rather my body's mechanical (physiological) workings are the problem--I juiced this morning and ahve yet to see my naturopath.


Waitin in the wings,
linda

[misslinda]

I want to believe that there are others that may have some concern when doing a juice fast as I do.....please do not let my situation scare you.

Today I saw my naturopath and I was not impressed by his approach. He does not think that I have liver/gallbladder or kidney issues even after explaining my previous medical history. he would rather have me use metimucill to push all the toxins instead of enema or salt flush. Metemucil has chemicals!!!!! Then he said colonics would be better--well he employs when in his clinic and that is way to harsh for me.

I will be seeeing a cardiologist to wear a holtor monitor for a few days to see if my heart rhythm is okay. meanwhile, a verg good friend of mine is a chiropractor and his close friend is a retired naturopath living in Idaho so he has contacted him so I can get intouch with him to "consult" about my health remedies.

I've been mostly juicing and nibbling here and there. I had a great BM to day and feel that more is to come. I want to do a liver/gallbladder flush but I'm concerned about toxemia so I will do some more research. Anyone have expereince with Dr Hulda's flush?

Hoping for the Best,
linda

[Sharon in Colorado]

Here's great news for you, Metamucil is psyllium seed. So all you have to do it stir some psyllium or ground flax in your juice and drink it down. You don't need to buy the processed stuff, just the whole seed at your hfs. Read the label on a Metamucil bottle next time you are in the grocery store. The additives are just flavoring which is what your juice will act as when you mix the natural stuff in there.

[misslinda]

So far fennel jice has been great an giving me a natural BM. I'll probably stick with this for awhile until my stomach (intestines) get stronger.

thanks for the info.

better days ahead,
Linda

[misslinda]

JEllybean!!!

Alot can surfce it's different for everyone---I have read to wait until your body is strong health wise and then do a cleanse which is the theory I'm going with however, alot fo people here have done juice fast right away.

Fennel taste like licorice.....I usually juice it with celery if I am juicing. Right now no juice for me just raw food. funny, I'm eating fennel seeds right now!

Jellybean <~~~~that's not raw !!!! :mad: <<<teasin>



~L

[misslinda]

For Those Of You Reading This Thread, I Just Wanted Let You Know, This Is From Late December So Pelase Don't Think I Was In The Er Recently...........thanks! :)

[catherinethegreat]

It took me a long time to figure out that htis was an old post. I'm glad it isn't happening right now

I was in shock.

Phew phew.

*c

[FEELIN'GOOD]

Miss Linda- I don't know where I was when this occured.... I am so sorry! I was searching for the cheesecake recipe and \POP/ here you are in the ER and it's DEC!!! Yikes... I am so sorry that I didn't send you my wishes... I'm glad that you are seeing progress now (FEB 2005) :D

I am reading 12 Steps to Raw, and the author was saying that during a 14 day water fast, she had a dream about when she was a small child, she put her hands in some sort of fertilizer and then in her mouth... when she woke she remembered the dream and she had that taste of the poison in her mouth!!! From what everyone is saying, it is like your body literally goes into reverse and cleans itself along the way- just amazing!

Take care- keep smilin' :D
Melissa

[misslinda]

Ahhhhh hahaha.....this scared me too when I saw it pop up again!!!! :p

I have to mention one funny thing about that god awful night...........as I was giving 911 my address, my cell phone DIED! :eek:

then I sat there---"God, please take me."


Gracias Chicks for your blessed words-- here's a secret!!!!!! I sing to my symptoms, sicknesses and imbedded toxins......

"Nana~ na~ na HEY-- HEY --HEY-- Good bye........."


"Talk to the Hand" cause I'm all solid RAW(K)......well slipped this past week but that's okay.



Mucho Luv,
Linda :p

[Rawmney]

Hello MissLinda,

I'm just reading your thread and wondering how it all turned out when you went to the cardiologist? Was it just a temporary thing or was there something more serious. I respect the opinions of those wary of doctors (me too) but do feel torn when you have symptoms that suggest you may not last long enough to let the raw diet do its magic.

RawTruth had some helpful comments for me on another thread re: this topic, but I was interested to learn how it went for you, it that's not prying to much. I've had some oddball chest discomfort since late November (pre-raw) and am seeing a cardiologist Tuesday to see if there might just be some tests worth doing. Of course your experience reinforces that even the tests may not be conclusive.

Most important is that everyting turned out well for you. Best wishes for good health!

Rawmney

[misslinda]

Hello MissLinda,

I'm just reading your thread and wondering how it all turned out when you went to the cardiologist? Was it just a temporary thing or was there something more serious. I respect the opinions of those wary of doctors (me too) but do feel torn when you have symptoms that suggest you may not last long enough to let the raw diet do its magic.


Rawmney


Hi! Wow, I 'm suprised this thread came up :eek: .....brings back memories of how far I have come. :)

Rawmeny, as of to date, I am doing AWESOME and thank you for asking.

At that time, I was seeing a naturopath who was against the cardiologist b/c everytime I have been into the ER (at least 12 times) the EKG always came back negative. When I was hooked up to the HR monitor, it was always fine but I had this unsettling feeling like I was having heart issues. All my tests I have ever taken conclude I am a healthy person.

I have a history of meds: anxiety,sleeping pills,anti depressants. I'm the only one in my family that has had numerous mri's xrays and cat scans (exposure to radiation), history of body abuse with ED's and large consumptions of diet products,diet pills and aritficial chemicals to avoid calories. Oh and once a coffee abuser--8 cups a day!

So you see, my underyling weaknesses were too much for me to handle during a juice fast. Even juice fasting was too intense for me at that time. Cleansing and detoxing is very powerful and I had never experienced it b/c that was the first itme in my entire life that I was "caring" for my body and all the enemies were being freed. The fear already existed if something emulated heart like issues so I couldn't handle the fast. my naturopath is the one who discourage me from doing it as I was not "strong" enough.

Gosh, it's weird to look back but I am not so much more stronger and healing at an intense rate. By you bringing this thread back, makes me realize how far I have come.......... :)

Yes, the hard part was realizing that these detox symptoms will remind me of my "heart" but I had alot of underlying anxeity and fear trapped in me about that--an event in my past that I associated it with. I even stopped running at one point in fear of the chest feeling.

I could have still seen a cardiologist to "find" something wrong but even if there was, did I want to rely on drugs and more exposure to radiation? I guess I was looking for answers cuz it would have been a relief to say "so that's the reason I am having these heart like problems and I wouldn;t feel crazy in the head" I thought about this 24/7 and thinkning about thinking. Fear built on fear.

I was still new at RAW ansd learning (loving my body and caring for it). If you're wondering if raw will help you, it WILL. It does have its valleys and peaks..........then there is that level area where you can see the reflection of yourself for the first time. :)

I have to wonder what you are going thru and what kind of symptoms you have been experiecing? Do you mind sharing what you've through? Have you developed a second fear? what i mean is not only is the chest feeling incomfortable and scary but scared about having it?


Thinking good thoughts for you ;)

[rawfigure]

misslinda...I thought I would chime in. I have delt with blood sugar issues for 11 years. When I first went raw and began to detox I had a few very odd symtoms. BUT since I was familar with the crashes, sweats , heart palpitations I did not seek medical help.

It lasted about two weeks and no matter how I ate I was crashing 3 ish times a day. I felt like I had labored breathing several times a day. I had to think about my breath ! One morning in the shower I had a weird panic type attack and thought I would pass out, then it passed. I did ephedra when competing and a very limited amount of drugs ( in college 25 yrs ago !) but have alwasy been a big coffee fan and as I mentioned reactive hypoglycemic
since 1994.

Well 5 months Raw...my blood sugar issues are 100% gone and i am feeling fine !

Best to you....Leslie

[misslinda]

OMG, rawfigure I'm so glad you shared :) ...I was a big ephedra freak myself and working out 3 hours a day!!!!!!!!! on top of it doing starbucks..........i really belive this was the last straw for me. I was never the same after that.

Now, I am becoming even stronger thanks to raw.

[Rawmney]

Thanks MissLinda! I am so glad to hear that you are doing so well. I hadn't thought about going back to my naturopath, because I thought of that as more of a one time thing than ongoing, but may be a good idea. She believed in eating for your blood type, so maybe she will tell me I have just been eating too many tomatoes. ;-)

I've had random chest discomfort since end of November, before going raw. Nothing more than 1 or2 on a 10 point scale (and I'm a pain wimp, so probably even less). Moves around - sometimes left, less often center and occasionally right. Not so much pain or pressure as feeling of fullness or maybe very weak pain. Not consistent day to day. Rarely bothers me when I'm distracted, which makes me think maybe I'm just over-obsessing (yes definitely developing that second fear you mention!). Did think about going to the ER on Saturday when it felt like light pressure in the middle and I felt a little light headed as well. Have been working out with no problem until last couple of weeks - mostly recovering from a half marathon on 1/22 and not wanting to do any weight-lifting that might cause confusing chest pain.

Will go to the cardiologist appointment Tuesday, at a minimum to get the arrythmia checked out (picked up twice in a week at blood drives in Nov., but hopefully just normal excercise related stuff). Definitely going to proceed cautiously on any drugs, invasive, etc. If I didn't have really bad history on my dad's side with heart disease, I bet I wouldn't be giving this a second thought.

In the meantime, I'm working toward 100% raw with not too much going sideways. As I said in one post (can't remember if it was my last here or on the other thread), I'm excited about its potential, but want to make sure I don't keel over in the meantime.

Thanks for your good thoughts. If you have other comments, they are most welcome.

[misslinda]

I noticed in your profile you are a runner! Moi aussi :)

Do you tend to push yourself in most of areas of your life?


What was your eating and lifestyle like in November or prior to the onset of these symptoms? Any particular life change with someone or something? What really happened?

That chest thing I know can be scary, there are so many things that can cause that.......ribs (t3-t6), gas uprising from stomach into the head (dizziness and discomfort in chest),poor liver/kidney function,clogged arteries etc.

Better yet, how long have you been a distance runner? Are you big on sy protein?

[Rawmney]

Do you tend to push yourself in most of areas of your life? [/QUOTE]
Oooh, you got that one right! The typical type A!

In November I was my usual vegan with a tendency to binge on junk (already I am into raw cheesecake and raw potato chips - highly consistent), not always vegan. Can't remember anything special about the month - recovering from marathon at end of November (my 2nd, I've been doing distance for 2 years), busy with work. Used soy protein, but not what I would consider a lot - didn't use after workouts, for example. Had similar chest discomfort 2 years ago, but it went away faster.

I agree with you that there are many possible explanations. The clogged artery one has me most worried, because my Dad's had that (angina at 44 - ok, was diabetic, wasn't a runner, wasn't vegan, former smoker, etc.). Your comment on liver / kidney function was interesting. I believe I saw another thread on that and depending how things go on Tuesday, I will double-check that.

Thanks for following up. I'll let you know how it goes.

[misslinda]

Please do follow up with us.


If you ever get that pain under the ribs on left side, that is a spleen issue---just throwing that out there.


type A :) ::chuckling:: thought so buddy! one thing I have used for my "discomfot" before I knew raw that helped was Dr. Giliham's powder form of magnesium.....research shows that it is one fo the first nutrients to become depleted from the body. Vital to heart and muscles etc.

wont' get word here. :)