Anyone NOT eat fruit?

[JumpinJax]

If you don't eat any fruit, what do you eat? Greens are starting to get very boring for me! At this point, I'm only 90% raw. I'm trying to go fruit-free for six weeks to get rid of a yeast infection. It hasn't been one week and I'm already going crazy. :eek:

[Angelina]

ME ME ME!! Ahhhh..yes I am basically fruit free and yes its killing me too!! Got Candida!! Awful isn't it. I have been taking E3live (which is supposed to be good for candida) and the only way I can take it is in grapefruit juice (which I make my throwing the whole peeled grapefruit in the blender). I've heard some conflicting things with grapefruit and candida (some say yes you can have that along with sour apples, which I can't do!). I've been living on salads, as I'm also cutting back on fats, such as nuts and avocados. I do include a few tbs. of coconut oil/day (again good for candida) and put some olive oil on my salad. Right now the supplement I'm taking is Fungal defense by Garden of life; just started it. I have a bit of bloating today so I started adding one capsule of Super 8 High Potency Probiotic (Udo's choice). The good thing is that the E3live balances out blood sugar levels, so I don't get ravenous and can easily get by on salads and veggies. Its torture I know, but it will be worth it in a few weeks. Let me know how you do, I'm going to be soo worried about adding too much fruit too quickly.

[Rawkinlocs]

I guess everyone is different and we all know there are two "raw gurus" with opposing views on dealing with yeast/candida in the body...but I suffered with candida (mainly in the form of oral thrush amongst other things) and I never gave up fruit. But it's gone! I mainly cut back on my fat intake (or should I say, nut-fruit combo intake) whenever I had a bout with it and that always seemed to do the trick. Oh and my "bouts" with it only came when I ate "no-no" foods! :o

But there are so many who have healed from candida and yeast infections without eliminating all fruit from their diet. Just another view...do what you feel you have to do, though!

[julesmoz]

Fasting might speed up the process as well

[JumpinJax]

Hey Angelina,
I see that you're in Jersey. I'm in NYC and this weather makes me want to eat anything but cold salad! I'll keep you posted on how I'm doing. Please let me know how you're doing! I'll appreciate knowing I'm not alone!
Jaclyn

[Angelina]

Jaclyn...WE'RE NEIGHBORS!! LOL..yeah, I hear ya on the salad thing! But I keep telling myself its only temporary. The good thing is that I have no desire to eat anything complicated lately. Keep me posted on any new tips or suggestions, I'm sure we can both use lots of support over the next few weeks. I'm thinking of purchasing The Ultimate Meal, you can find it at www.ultimatelife.com. I'm thinking I could whip it up with some water, coconut oil and some flavoring and at least be able to have a meal thats not a salad. I never thought I'd miss a green smoothie!!

angelina

[Revvell]

I agree w/ Rawkinlocs on the fruit/fat/candida issue. Fruit is a mainstay in my food program.

I read where Jinjee was having yeast problems and she found (if I'm correct in my memory) that when she ate cooked, she continued having problems w/ fruit/yeast yet, when raw, no problems. My experience is the same.

Revvell

[Stargazer2]

I'm one of the 'eat fruit, low-fat,' folks as well. I had tried the other route, but it did not seem to work for me, and it was pretty bland, as well. Like Rawkinlocs, it only flares up when I eat the foods that trigger it. Fruit never has.

Peace, Valerie

[tglasco4]

I am wondering if its the combo of fruit and nuts? I wonder if someone would either ditch the nuts or use them in combo with veggies. Hmmmmm. Has anyone ever had a green juice or smoothie with nuts in it and no fruit?

Just wondering.

[lane]

Yes, it sounds like the combination of fruit and nuts, or rather fat in general causes problems with candida. If one "school of thought" is that fat inhibits sugar from being properly digested- calling on yeast to do it's job-- then it just makes sense that whichever you choose to cut out- the fat or the sugar- would lead to a decrease in yeast. Or, if one didn't want to eliminate either from their diet- they could eat fruit in the morning alone, and save their fats for later.

[girl007]

Okay, there are lots of people here with candida.

How do you know if you have it? Would I know?

[Angelina]

Hey Girl007, I would definitely think a person would know if they have it. Although the symptoms are numerous (tons). My first symptoms (that I didn't recognize) were gaining weight and sensitivity to sugar, I would get sick..and I mean nauseaus/lightheaded icky feeling after having fruit (especially my green smoothies made with banana and mango). I do agree with the above posts regarding fruit/fat combo, because although I was having a lot of fruit, I was also making such combos as carob pie (the crust was a date/nut/coconut base, with avo's, carob, more coconut as the filling), I did have a good amount of fat in the diet, in the form of nuts, avo's, oils..I think it was the combination of fruit and fat that did it to me, because even when I would have a smoothie of greens with fruit (no fat) or just some fruit I would get soo icky feeling. Then I had realized that my eczema had come back with a vengeance (even though the main culprit wheat had been eliminated); then my hypothyroid started acting up (another sign of candida) and then something started to happen ~ my tongue would get tingly after eating! That was weird and I had tried to find a common food that I was eating that would cause it, but there was nothing in common..well lo and behold I found out that was a candida symptom!! So my symptoms was gaining weight, constipation, eczema, tingling tongue, no tolerance for sugar, bloatedness. Now there are also too many causes to list, the most common one is repeated and long time use of anti biotics ~ thats what did it for me. And as you can see there are a few different ways to treat it, every body is different. I know this is soo long, but as a newbie, its better to be over informed than un informed.

[CAdreamer]

I eat 2-4 servings of fruit a day, but not with anything else, so that it
digests quickly.

[NFrawRUNNER]

I too am intrigued...Could candida be the end of a detox? I have been high raw since */05 and was skipping along fine (after the typical initial "bumps") Now, all of a sudden, my belly is bloating, I feel "stopped up" and very tired....The only recent changes I have made are adding an estrogen replacement (which I don't WANT to do but levels are so low they are causing other problems) + I have been eating more fruit since I am an athlete....But I have wondered about candida for some time...??? My "parathyroid" is off too according to my nutritionist, but I am on a supplement protocol for that....Any interesting advice/links??? Send my way...Thanks

[gatorgrrl]

Apples apples apples, they are ok when you are doing a candida cleanse

[NFrawRUNNER]

good, love apples....maybe that's why I crave them? My body knows!!!

[Lunar*Fey]

I just wanted to say that I noticed whenever I eat fruit and fats together I usually feel sick and bloated after. For example I made a carob pudding with avocado, banana, agave, carob, and I think that's it. And I also had sweet hemp seed milk (hemp seed and dates blended) I usually eat really simple because I don't know I just do for some reason but I really wanted to try this carob pudding...it was really yummy but I felt really sick and bloated afterward. Ok I have babbled on and on in quite a confusing way, when it could have been said much simpler...so I'm stopping now lol

[Brianna]

I did all raw with no fruit for 3 months. It was difficult, but I was determined and it really helped me to get rid of parasites. I ate avocados, nuts, sprouted grains, all kinds of sprouts, and veggies. I also ate seaweed. My special treats when I wanted something sweet were lemon water sweetened with stevia ( which has no sugar) and a nut butter treat I made by mixing up chopped nuts and seeds and coconut with raw almond butter, vanilla, and stevia. Sometimes I'd put them in the freezer for a frozen treat. I did find that I ate a lot more nuts during this no fruit time and that was sort of hard on my digestion, which I feeli is already a bit sluggish, so beware of that. Also, toward the end, I started to crave cooked starches because my body wanted sugars. So make sure when the real need for sugars comes that you satisfy it with the right thing.

[juliebove]

I eat very little fruit. I do eat grapefruit on occasion and lately strawberries because they're in season and in my garden. If my apples and pear trees produce, then I may eat those if there are tons of them. And occasionally some dried fruit. But most days I eat no fruit at all unless you count tomatoes. I do eat those. And I sometimes have lemon or lime juice in water.

My breakfast is usually pumpkin seeds. I have diabetes so my breakfast usually has to be low carb. If my blood sugar is low enough when I wake up, I might eat a little fruit then, usually grapefruit. So far this month, I've had grapefruit once. I did have a few strawberries this morning. Sometimes I have a bit of a flax cracker.

I don't eat much for lunch. Perhaps a handful of sprouted lentils, garbanzo beans or peas with some additional vegetables like radish sprouts. Radishes are also in abundance in my garden so I'm eating a lot of those. Yesterday I had a small plate of pico de gallo made with tomatoes, onions, cilantro, jalapenos, an Anaheim chile, lime juice and a bit of salt.

Dinner is often a big green salad topped with other vegetables like peppers, tomatoes, onions, peas, or whatever else I have around. I often put some walnuts or pecans on my salad.

If I am hungry between meals I'll have a handful of nuts. I always have a snack before bed. Lately I've been eating a lot of celery then along with some nuts. I might also have a bit of flax cracker.

[dreamrawalwz]

Maybe this is just me being a perfectionist (sorry), but when people say they don't do fruit, but the write that they eat peppers, tomatoes, cucumber, avocado, zucchini, ect. they're eating fruit...not vegetables. I assume you all are talking about sweet fruits in general, not ALL fruits right?

[NFrawRUNNER]

That's what I was thinking too....I personally MEANT "sweet fruit"...sorry for any confusion....Is that the "general consensus?" See how brainwashed we've been by the USDA food pyramid?? :eek:

[Mildred_Sugar]

I am also abstaining from sweet fruits due to a very serious candida infection. Girl 007 asked how you know if you have candida, I've been tested by my doctor and had seriously high levels of candida in my system. I'm also very allergic to yeast so its a bad combo.

It's been a little over two weeks w/out sweet fruit and I'm feeling so much better that honestly I have no desire for sweet fruit, repeated testing by my doctor is showing already a decrease in my candida growth. There are different beliefs on how its best to treat candida I advise people to read as many sources as possible and find a physician who is sympathetic to candida as a real illness.

As far as what I'm consuming, a lot of green juices, salads, superfood smoothies w/hemp seeds & coconut butter.

[Sunshine9]

Lately I have been naturally drawn towards a low fruit approach. It has nothing to do with candida, though I might have imbalances there, rather I just kept feeling like fruit was too sweet. Also in my opinion it is not in any way an ideal food, because fruit is high in sugar and low in minerals. Buuut i'm sometimes wondering what to eat too.

I enjoy grapefruit blended with Vitamineral green for breakfast, (similar to Angelina) seems to be a popular combo ;) Then later i'll make a big superfood smoothie with lots of yummy things... carob, cinnamon, cacao, vanilla, maco, tocos, spirulina, coconut butter, etc..I do use some agave nectar in that. Usually not all at once though.That will keep me going for hours, and i was previously someone who was continually hungry. I eat berries too if they are organic and less expensive.

I eat a lot of blended green soups and green juices. My favorite is kale, avocado, parsley, garlic, lemon, lettuce, sea salt- everything! It is so so satisfying and delicious.

My focus right now is to listen to my body, handle some bloating, and to mineralize!!! So I try to make my choices high mineral. I think that transitioning into this type of choice is important, because otherwise die off and cravings will be pretty intense. NCD has also really kicked all my sugar cravings naturally, I think that was the missing link for me.

[Arky]

An interesting article related to this discussion may be found on Roger Haeske's site:

http://www.thinkandgoraw.com/atkins_type_raw_diet.htm


J.

[Vandy]

Thanks for the article Arky.. I have been doing 8/1/1 hard core for a few months and I feel AMAZING... I agree with soo much with many statements of that article.

[Sunshine9]

Thanks for posting that article Arky. I think it's great there are opposing views on this subject, though I must say (this has nothing to do with you) that I thought the article was one of the most poorly written and researched pieces of nutritional information I have ever read, and I was quite turned off by the negative vibes, and what I would consider condescending overly rationalized deductions.

I have been re-reading the article to comment on some of the statements that I disagree with, and I don’t know that that would be a good use of time. If others find value in the information in that article, I’m glad it’s there. I would encourage any raw food enthusiast though to CONSIDER THE SOURCE of the information.

At one point Haeske says, “Remember Low GI Diet is a code word for a High Fat Diet . No one wants to admit they eat a high fat diet, but they do. They don't want to tell you it is high fat, but that's what it really is.” This statement is a huge overgeneralization and a misinterpretation of what all of the proponents of a low glycemic diet actually advocate, which is in general a diet high focused on minerals. Also I think categorizing all fruit and sugars together isn’t realistic, because every fruit is different and some are certainly more mineralized and less hybridized than others. Someone could absolutely follow a low to moderate glycemic diet and obtain a sufficient amount of calories if that is the right diet for them.

I think diet is far more complex than making choices based on FAT or SUGAR. I think you need to look much deeper at the minerals in your food choices, and when you do you will see why most of the experienced raw fooders advocate low sugar. Graham is pretty much the only exception. He does seem to be thriving, so I’m glad it’s working for him and the people that he supports. Yet I think David Wolfe, Gabriel Cousens, Victoras Kulvinskas, Brian Clement, Paul Nison, and Dr. David Jubb would advise all of their clients to take a more moderate approach to sweet fruit…

But everyone needs to figure out what works for their body. It’ll work or it won’t-- trial and success! See what works for you.

Love and light,
Sunshine :)

[vivctfem27]

Hello All;
Been reading all the posts about candida and fruits. I always noticed the large amounts of sweet fruits, dried sweet fruits and sweeteners in the some of the dishes. There was a great iriologist Dr Bernard Jensen, who taught that in order for the ph balance; the diet should consist of 2 fruits, 6 veggies, 1 source of protein and 1 carb source a day and lots of water. The more green the better too.

[NFrawRUNNER]

:eek: :eek: :eek: AAAGGGHHH....I agree with everyone in that has posted because.....The bottom line is to listen to your body....Some days it may want fruit, some days fat, some days NOTHING!!! The bottom line I guess is to be in tune with your body.....Now my SAD friends will say "My body says I need chocolate and pizza!" That's not what I mean. I truly agree with all of you. Sometimes you may want to avoid certain foods based on how they make you feel that day. But the next day or meal even may be different!.. Variety of nutrition is more important than a rigid approach I think. Trying to stick to a specific "ratio" is enough to drive the most analytical wacky. I think the "gurus" have found what works for them, which is fabulous. But, depending on your lifestyle it may not work for you! Good luck everyone and don't sweat the small stuff ;)
Di

[rawpriestess]

And of course, having a Virgo rising, I must add that all nuts and seeds are fruits also, in addition to the aformentioned tomaotes, cucumbers, squash etc.