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01-15-2006, 05:37 PM
OK... I have been trying to do this so well and every time I turn around it is like another kick in the gut!! I read Carol Alt's book and she said that she only uses Genesis or Ezekiel breads. Well bc she has been raw for years I tend to think she knows what she is talking about...so I buy the bread. Guess what? Bread is cooked at 250 degrees and the site itself says that the bread is not considered raw!! I am trying so hard for real but come on!! If you guys have any suggestions as to where I can get some for real stuff plz let me know. I do not have the fully equipt "raw" kitchen yet so I cant dehydrate anything yet. :mad:
01-15-2006, 05:46 PM
First of all Carol Alt is approximatley 75% raw by her own admission so she does eat cooked and she does eat animal products.
As far as "the real stuff" I'm assuming you mean bread? Personally, I've stopped eating bread many years ago so can't help you there. My suggestion ~ forget the bread. There are many threads here about people with "bread addictions" and suggestions as to what to do about them and I'm sure you'll receive other suggestions as well. Thing is, on this food program, once you begin eating better and receiving more nutrients, the bread (and other) cravings will diminish. I understand when one is in transition, one wants something more "traditional" or at least, filling.
Being that I have all the stuffs, when I'm in the mood for a sandwich I make some of Alissa's burger rolls, some burgers, and enjoy! :D
01-15-2006, 05:55 PM
Carol Alt is not 100% raw, so that is why she eats sprouted wheat breads instead of dehydrated. It depends where you live whether you can buy pre-packaged raw foods locally - I only ever see raw flax crackers, and that is all I had until I bought a dehydrator and began dehydrating my own breads. (But I still eat mostly flax crackers anyway!! :D You can look into ordering raw breads online, but I wouldn't know a good source for that - hopefully someone else will. I generally prepare everything I eat myself - most stuff out there is not raw ESPECIALLY if it is pre-packaged. You can always contact the manufacturer if you are uncertain. Hang in there! It gets MUCH easier!
I've never found a packaged dehydrated bread that worked for me... BUT... I know you don't have a dehydrator yet, but perhaps this is reason enough to get one... Alissa's Pizza Bread is amazing! It's kind of a pumpernickel type texture which is about as close to fluffy bread as your going to get and be truely raw. I love her bread though, it is SO good! My kids like it too, and it makes great sandwiches. My favorite thing I do with it is make cucumber sandwiches by putting her dill cream cheese on it and a slice of cucumber.
01-15-2006, 08:36 PM
Ditto on the wonderful pizza bread by Alissa! :D :D :D :D Why eat bread when you got this stuff? YUMMY!!!!!
The other thing I love is corn tortillas.....mmmm-mmmmmm! :p
01-15-2006, 09:12 PM
i like the pizza bread statifies the bread craving
that would be good make into bread stickds also
Carol Alt eats cooked food and chees.
i ish i could make a raw exekiel bread. I know what you mean.
i have made raw oatmenal cookies and those sort tasste like the cinnamon bread i just addd m ore dates to it. and make it into loaves instead of ookie shapes.
I would say don't scold yourself for eating bread you thought was raw. You did your best- and eating that bread WILL NOT kill you. I am new to eating raw foods and I expect to make mistakes along the way. The Raw Police are not coming to issue you or me a citation. I know that if it turns out the bread I've been eating isn't raw, I'm still benefitting from the fact that 1) I've enjoyed it 2) it isn't the processed flour bread that I binged on in the past 3) it did not produce any cravings and therefore has helped me to get through my transition.
We can only live and learn. As Maya Angelou says, when we know better, we do better! So enjoy your journey to raw (even the little mistakes- some of them taste good!). :p
01-15-2006, 10:08 PM
Here is a few ideas:
They are not bread like in a loaf of bread, but they might be something you can substitute till you get that dehydrator.
There might be some other websites that sell stuff. This is what I could come up with in the time I had.
01-16-2006, 09:11 AM
Yeah, I went upstairs last night after I posted that and reread some portions of her book and found out that it is not raw bread but it is baked at low temps. I know she is not 100% raw I dont know why I put that... I knew she was still eating dairy. I am just so frustrated w/all the time and energy needed to put into this lifestyle. I was just looking for an easy way to make something and you know I just think I am going to have to try harder to adapt to a raw lifestyle and stop thinking about how easy the fast food life was. RIGHT!! :o
01-16-2006, 10:51 AM
wikdkittie, bread is a toughie...It's those processed carbs that get ya.
Eating optimally is actually quite easy; it only seems time consuming because it's new -- most new things are :).
I personally don't believe in "cravings"; I believe our bodies have needs/requirements: it's not the body's fault we misinterpret and distort what it needs. "Cravings" are based on emotions, habit, and cultural/social conditioning based on tradition or environment. We've taught our minds to dictate what we feed our bodies. When our bodies are not being truly nourished, it aches -- signals us -- and we, in turn, interpret that as "craving" or "need." Then turn around and say, "Ahh, I feel better now!" It's only temporary -- a false positive.
Sorry to go on so, :p but, perhaps thinking of "craving" in this way will give you enough pause to let it pass when you feel it coming on. I used to do this in the past when I was limiting myself with cooked carbs; I had to change my mindset. When you "crave" breads it really means your body needs fruit; it's the texture of bread that your mind/emotions crave.
Hope my rambling made sense :)
01-16-2006, 11:01 AM
I saw an interview with Carol Alt by Pat OBrian the other day (found through a random raw web site) she was expounding on the virtues of raw and how it helped her with her fight against cancer. I thought great here the message about raw is getting out to the main stream again. But then she started talking about eatting raw dairy products and things like steak tar-tar (bleeech!) I just wish they had focused on the vegan side a bit more and the yummy things we all eat. Can't help but feel that it got the wrong message out.
I had a bread craving and made some Essene bread, using a recipe I found on the internet. Essentially it involved soaking wheat grains overnight, then sprouting them until they had tiny roots -- about 3 days - then breaking them down into a coarse-grained dough in a food processor with a dash of Celtic salt and, optional, some honey or soaked raisins. (I used honey.) You then spread it on a dehydrator tray about half to one inch thick and dehydrate for about 24 hours, turning it over so it gets crisp on both sides. (Ooops, sorry, I've just realised, maybe I should be putting this in the recipes section?)
Anyway, it was totally yummy -- BUT I couldn't stop eating it, just like I was with ordinary bread, before I sent raw, AND I wanted butter on it -- something about the wheat, I suppose. So I decided I wouldn't be making that again. It was delicious, though and the nearest thing to real bread i've come across since I've been raw. If you are OK with wheat, then this might be worth a try.
01-16-2006, 03:42 PM
I put a recipe I found in Juliano's book in the recipe section of this forum. It is for raw vegan butter. Hope it helps w/ your raw bread and cooked butter craving.
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