Starving on fruit!!!

[DrPr]

I started with fruit for breakfast today: a banana, an apple and a small mango. Within two hours I was SO hungry I was getting one of those headaches I used to get on SAD! :eek:

Have any of you had this experience- that fruit doesn't sustain a feeling of satisfaction and/or that you feel exceptionally hungry not long after eating it? I'm surprised because I thought natural sugar would be different in my body than processed sugar.

[Rawkinlocs]

DrPr,

First, 2 hours is not bad considering you only ate 3 pieces of fruit. One thing about eating raw is that it's best to try and let go of the old "Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner" standards and eat 5-6 small meals throughout the day. I've even heard that this approach is especially good for those trying to lose weight.

The other thing is that, we have LOST our ability to know what true hunger is. The headaches are not hunger pangs...hunger is not going to be evident in our heads and like thirst, should not be painful, but more of a sensation. The headache is a detox/cleansing effect, believe it or not...not a true indicator of hunger.

So, if after a couple hours of having eaten a few pieces of fruit you want more food, eat more so long as it's raw. Your body will adjust and get used to it and the cleaner it gets, you will find that those same pieces of fruit WILL keep you sustained longer...but for now, eat more.

[karenisraw]

maybe something with fats in it in the morning like and avacodo or some coconut oil on a cracker.

[kmik]

When I first started raw, I had to make a morning smoothie that had fruit, coconut oil and hemp protein powder. That combination seemed to satisfy me for a long time, and as long as I ate regularly the rest of the day, I didn't get cravings for cooked foods.

But I do agree with Rawkinlocs... it's the start of detox, also, go ahead and eat more... it's ok, really! And with Karen, about the fat, as in the coconut oil in your smoothie. It's a good fat, and your body won't treat it the same way right now... maybe when you get a few pounds from your goal it might slow you down, but right now, you've got nothing to worry about eating raw fats and lots of anything raw!

Whatever you do, don't give up, cuz you're on the right path!

[SamuelWilson]

DrPr, the scenerio you have explained is normal. This is how I seem to deal with the hunger issue. I keep avocado chutney made and vacuum sealed in the fridge. I make it extremely hot (keeps other people from eating it, less they want to feel the fire). I basically eat that for a meal and then I eat some fruit (maybe not the best food combining, but hey, I have a strong healthy digestive system and I never had any problems).

You need something heavy tasting and spicy to sustain you. I promise you, after you eat some spicy avocado chutney, you will be satisfied. After a while, you will be able to go longer and longer on just fruits and whole foods until, you can easily sustain on fruit for 2 or 3 days without difficulty. I eat the avocado chutney because I like it, not because I need it as a crutch. I personally could eat one fruit for months on end (I actually used to do that, I eat papaya for 2 months straight one time with out any difficulty at all, I was a fruitarian at the time).

I have just shared with you my technique, each person has to choose their own path. Keep asking questions and just keep at it, each day will make you stronger. Remember, that on a raw food diet, you get younger, not older.

[English Tracy]

Samuel - can you post the recipe for your avocado chutney please?? I love avos but can never think of much to do with them apart from salads.

Also, I can't quite get to grips when I see avocados in recipes for raw cakes. Can someone explain how that works?

Thanks.

Tracy

[SamuelWilson]

English Tracy, the recipe is in Alissa's Living on Live Food book. I would really like to help you. Only Alissa or moderators can post recipes from her book.

I do have a recipe for "Avocado Tubbouleh" though that I can share with you.

Samuel Wilson's Avocado Tubbouleh

1 cup diced avocado
1/2 cup finely chopped mint
1 1/2 cup finely chopped parsley
1 cup chopped onions
3/4 cup chopped roma or plum tomatoes
3/4 cup olive oil
1 cup lemon juice
sea salt and pepper to taste

[Sheryl]

When you think about it the average meal contains ALOT more calories than a couple of peices of fruit. Maybe you need to eat more fruit at all fruit meals to stay satisfied longer!!! Or take the advise above and eat fruit more often... I think both would work well.

Cheers,
Sheryl

PS I've also heard blended fruit satisfies longer... more nutrients are available I think.

[LeanAndHungry]

We have built in blenders, our teeth! I'm semi-joking. It seems that would be the best way to get the nutrients, as saliva has an important part in digestion, and blended fruit would bipass that part of digestion. But, I can sympathise with the original poster. I too don't feel satisfied from fruit. Part of it is probably that I am used to lots of "tasty" fat, and I am used to absolutely gorging myself regularly with SAD food. I bet the longer I go without those things, the more satisfying fruit will be.

[Punky]

Also, I can't quite get to grips when I see avocados in recipes for raw cakes. Can someone explain how that works?

Thanks.

Tracy


Hi Tracy,
I know avocado's in sweet dessert recipes may sound odd at 1st but
in some cultures around the globe avocado's are eaten sweetened.

Specifically in the raw food recipes, they make recipes creamy without
adding any strong flavor to them. They seem to take on the flavor of
the dish you are making. They are great mixed with chocolatey cacao or carob
recipes and I've eaten raw key lime pie. They are sooo good.
I make "chocolate" raw pudding for my boys and they do not even realize
avocados are in it (my oldest son not a big fan of the avocado...so he thinks
anyways ;)
They really do work well in these types of recipes; try it out.

[Lauradee]

Hi drpr

i have fruit in the morning smoothie toadd density put flax oil or seed. you are maybe not geting enough fruit maybe add more to your smoothie like dates.

i add flx oil to add nutironal density and as filler to the smoothie you cantry adding greens toit liike spinach it works i do this it fills me up in no timeflat.

take care,
Laura

[English Tracy]

Samuel,

Thanks for pointing me to Alissa's book. I actually have it but haven't taken in all the recipes yet as there are so many to choose from. Thanks for the tabouleh recipe as well, I'll give it a go asap.


Tracy

[English Tracy]

Punky,

I suppose the only way I'll be convinced is to try a 'sweet' or cake recipe with avocado in it. I didn't want to make a load of stuff only to find it wasn't good. I'm the only one in my house eating raw but having said that I think my husband will try quite a lot of the food I'm preparing. He did like walnut balls in marinara sauce but 'only as a starter, not a main course'. I think this is because he is a typical SAD eater (although we are in England) - meat and cooked veg.

Thanks.

Tracy

[Sheryl]

I've read that when eating juice or smoothies it's still a good idea to 'chew' them a bit to mix with enzymes in your mouth. It's a way of making the process a little more natural! I often forget though!

Dr Doug Graham talked about the topic of the post that started us off on this topic at Rawstock this year. He basically said that most people that tend to focus on fruit just don't eat enough calories, and then end up feeling it's not sustainable. Using nuts and seeds and higher fat items it's easier to fill up on enough calories without the bulk. Just know that with fruit we need to eat more! You can check your calorie intake on something like Nutridiary to see where you are if you want.

Cheers,
Sheryl

[chilove]

Hi there,

The meal you described had very little calories. Of course you were hungry two hours later. You need to get used to eating a much larger amount of fruit in each meal, probably at least three times what you described Then you feel more satisfied and won't be craving.

Best of luck to you!

[exurb]

DrPR, again I think that's normal. I really like fruit as the first breakfast of the day, but I do not see it's purpose (other than the nutrition) as getting me through more than a couple of hours until the next meal. LOL I just thought of the hobbits' meal plan, with breakfast, then second breakfast, etc...

Samuel, have you ever tried a sprouted quinoa tabouleh?

[tglasco4]

You definitely did not eat enough. 3 pieces of fruit is more like a snack than a meal. For example, this morning I had 48oz of fruit smoothie that had 2 pears, 4 bananas, 7 dates and a handful of raw cashew pieces in it (with water) PLUS 3 dried figs and a banana eaten whole. That holds me until the afternoon when I have dinner. I have a good workout about an hour after breakfast.
On raw you have to make sure you eat enough or yes, you will starve!

Peace..

Todd

[SamuelWilson]

exurb, I decided to go with the Avocado Tubbouleh because I don't really crave sprouted quinoa. I just thought it would be a great opportunity to add an additional avocado recipe to my menu.

The sprouted quinoa would be more like bulgar wheat and you could probably get away with just calling it tubbouleh. Honestly, I just wanted all the tubbouleh flavor with out the bulgar wheat or cracked wheat.

[DrPr]

Well, I'm trying again with the fruit. I just had three mini bananas. In an hour or so I'll have more fruit.

Todd, I think that it's much easier to consume a lot of fruit at once when you have a smoothie. I don't have a blender right now so I'm just eating everything as is. Your smoothies sound delicious!!