Soy

[GoingRAW]

I know that tofu and tempeh aren't raw, but I am wondering if I can get some input on the pros/cons of soy products?
I am still not convinced that I can get the protein that I need for weight training from powders, seeds, nuts, etc....
Thanks for your help!

[Helen Of Tennessee]

Because I have thyroid disease and I know soy is not good for those that have thyroid disease, the articles below are going to be anti-soy. Maybe someone else will post some pro-soy articles. You'll just have to read them and then decide what is best for you:

The Magic Bean? Soy-tainly Not!
http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/articles/magic_bean.html

Soy: Is it Healthy or is it Harmful
Dr. Joseph Mercola
http://mercola.com/2004/jan/21/soy.htm

Thyroid Disease: The Dangerous Downside of Soy Products
http://thyroid.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.thyroid%2Dinfo.com/articles/soydangers.htm

Coconut-Info.com – Soy Alerts – scroll down to bottom of page:
http://www.coconut-info.com/links.htm

The Dark Side of America’s Favorite “Health” Food
http://thyroid.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.westonaprice.org %2Fsoy%2Fdarkside.html

New Findings on the Soy/Thyroid Connection
Soy Expert Daniel Doerge Revisits the Issue
http://thyroid.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.thyroid%2Dinfo.com/articles/sherrillsellman.htm

The Shadow of Soy by Sean Carson
Requiem for a Thyroid - Drs. Larrian Gillespie, Richard Shames
http://www.coconut-info.com/shadow_of_soy.htm

Phytoestrogens Anti-thyroid agents
http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/thyroid.htm

Soy-Based Foods No Good As A Hormone Replacement
http://www.mercola.com/2004/sep/18/hormones_soy.htm

Soy On Line Service
http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

Weston A. Price
http://www.westonaprice.org/cgi-script/csSearchPro/csSearchPro.cgi?command=query&terms=soy&mbool=AND&mcase=Insensitive

<>< Helen of Tennessee

[Sharon in Colorado]

I think if you are interested in getting quality protein, you might want to consider getting it first-hand from greens & nuts, and not from a denatured source via cooking and processing.

This made me think of something I had posted this earlier this week, but it made its way down the list. I thought it was kinda funny but thought-provoking:

From: Frodo Baggins (66.180.141.217)
Subject: Man, fruigivore or tofugivore?
Date: November 29, 2004 at 10:01 pm PST

What was more appealing to primitive man, bitter small wild fruits or the succulent blocks of ripe tofu hanging from the branches of the wild tofu tree, dripping with the fresh morning dew? What was more invigorating, the boring endless search for small red berries, or the exilerating chase of the wild tofutti beast?

Sure they had cranberries at the first Thanksgiving, but what would that first Thanksgiving have been without tofurky? What could be more natural than soya beans, contaminated with transgenetic DNA, soaked, mashed, boiled, coagulated with calcium sulfate and pressed into blocks? Well I suppose lotsa things would be more natural than that, but nature is overrated anyway.

Happy Thanksgiving all you rawgetarians!

From: http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/10650.html

[Joopie]

Alissa started something on the "Other" board about soy.. the thread is about soy baby formula, but the article I posted pertains to soy in general. It's an interesting read. Here is the link to the thread.

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=900
There are more soy links at the bottom of the article I referred to.

Helen posted this website too- it is packed with information on the negative effects of soy. You could spend hours on here. :(

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz

Hope this helps!

Julie

[GoingRAW]

Thanks so much Helen and Joopie! I knew that there was info out there. I will have to start reading to get through it all :D

[loveraw]

I have read somewhere that soy is not so good because it messes with your hormones, too much estrogen. So it is like taking birthcontrol pills. Also most of the soy these days is geneticaly modified. Any heated protein is only half as effective and also hydrolized protein has gotten bad rap because it produses excitotoxins. Raw hemp protein seams to be the best if you are interested in loading up on more protein,
L