Breast Milk Replacement

[veggie]

Does anyone have a recipe for a breast milk replacement for babies? Do you just give the baby carrot and greens juice?

[vegggeeemom]

I am going to PM you.

How old is the baby?

[veggie]

She's a newborn

[vegggeeemom]

Ok, I'll pm you. I went to email you and it bounced.

I am no expert, but do have some books that are raw focused that will help.

[veggie]

I would greatly appreciate your advice!

[vegggeeemom]

Oh, you're welcome. Just sent the PM

[Sharon in Colorado]

Please don't give a newborn carrot or wheat grass juice. A newborn baby needs the properties in milk. If you can't give your own milk, or someone else's, then goat or cow's milk formulaes are your second best bet. There are nutients and proteins that are essential to a human baby's growth and development.

[eachpeachpearplum]

For my daughter I supplimented my breast milk with goats milk as at the time I was not producing enough and it worked out VERY well. I personally would never dream of giving an infant formula or cows milk. If you have any queries feel free to PM me.

The Goats milk I used was called Nanny, made in New Zealand which was from organic and free range goats. Just make sure to check your source. You may be able to find a farm locally who can sell it to you - just freeze it. I also did this.

Also the hospital had a breast milk bank where mothers could donate thier extra milk if they were high producers, you may consider getting milk that way also.

Keep in mind this was in the UK so it may not be done here.


Cheers,

EPPP

[MoniDew]

Yes, I agree with the rest of the crowd. From the naturopathic and natural hygiene textbooks, mix 1/2 carrot juice and 1/2 goat's milk (raw) for an older infant or 1/3 carrot juice, 1/3 goat's milk, and 1/3 water for a younger infant. I would do this under the supervision of a naturopath or natural hygiene practitioner.

[Sharon in Colorado]

I weaned my first on raw goats milk. I supplemented my second and third with cow's milk formulas out of necessity. It's not the end of the world, sometimes it is a necessity if breast milk isn't availble. Not everyone can afford a wet nurse or buying from a milk bank unfortunately.

I would personally use that over wheat grass or carrot juice for a newborn. I'm sure an older baby might use diluted wheat grass or carrot juice supplementally, but not for the sole nutrition.

That is my educated opinion. I encourage anyone to search out information on the alternatives, and to make educated decisions about the nutritional needs of their growing infants.

[dhammala]

Oh no! Please don't ever give a baby cow's milk! I believe cow's milk formula was responsible for my years of digestive distress! I was one of those kids you would never want to be around.. always screaming in pain! If they had just switched to rice milk formula.. hehe

[vegggeeemom]

I agree, raw goats milk is optimal if mom can't breast feed.

Also agree about no to cow's milk formula. There are far too many options now besides just cow's formula.

I am sure she is researching all this out and will make the best decision for her baby!

I think it's great that she's here asking for advise!

[Sharon in Colorado]

There are specific nutrients only available in mother's and mammal's milk which a baby under 2 requires and can get. After 2 it loses the ability to use this milk, and shouldn't drink anything other than its momma's milk, or a vegetarian alternative. Whether it be a goat, cow, water buffalo or sheep it might be an alternative if the mother cannot produce for baby.

I don't know if these nutrients can be acquired through vegetation for a baby. Because the baby really requires its mother's or human milk, so that is why a mammal is going to be the next best thing. If there is an allergy present, than obviously you have to use alternate routes.

This is a very difficult decision and I hope the mother looks into all avenues based on some thorough nutritional research.

This is not against raw food in general - because I firmly believe we as humans after 2 shouldn't be using animal milk - but supportive of a baby's nutritional needs.

[Helen Of Tennessee]

Yes, RAW goats milk. Check here to see if there are some places near you:

http://www.realmilk.com/where1.html

<>< Helen of Tennessee

[blessed]

Hi Helen,
Yes, I agree raw goat's milk is best. I was raised on it and when they switched me over to cows milk I became filled with muscus, Oh yes I remember that.
Also when we had foster children we gave one of the babies goat's milk when he was underweight and could not keep down the canned soymilk they wanted us to give him. He kept the goat's milk down and did well on it.
But get all the information you can because with us we were singled out by our State Officials for giving our children Organic food and goat's milk.
Sounds stupid but anything out of the norm draws the attention of Child Protective Services so I would get all my ducks in order and protect yourself.
Being right in the middle of the meat and dairy industry it's seen as odd not to eat meat and not to drink cow's milk or that nasty soy formula laced with chemicals and sugar that they want you to push down babies throats.
Take care Helen.

Ann

[Helen Of Tennessee]

Hi Ann,

I was lucky and was able to nurse my children, son for 14 months, daughter for 2 years. And my daughter just weaned her son after nursing for over 2 years. But had anything happened to my daughter, I did have access to raw goats milk. The family that sells it says by law he can sell it but he must tell us it's not for human consumption. But then when we get home, who knows what we'll do with it :p

I probably should had added the info you shared in my post for Veggie. Thanks so much for mentioning this part of it. It is a shame that we have to be so careful when giving our children what they really need and not what the government says we have to give them.

<>< Helen of Tennessee

[sareli]

i am a strong advocate of raw foods, but your baby needs to have breastmilk or a formula replacement...even the most holistic and natural of healthcare professionals would never suggest giving your newborn any kind of juice--especially especially as a soul source of nutrients and goats milk--made for baby goats, not for your baby.

i can probably find it for you, but are you aware of the well-meaning strict raw-foodist family in florida who's 6 month old baby died recently because they weaned her from breastmilk and gave her a variety of juices and "other" milks. the baby was, i believe 6 months old and weighed about 7 pounds.

there are other similar stories to this.

raw food is wonderful for children and adults, we were BORN to breastfeed.
be very careful,
peace to you and your family,
sarah

[dhammala]

Hi Sarah,

The story you are referring to, The Andressohn's, is a very interesting one. No one knows what really happened. Please understand that there is a different perspective than the one the traditional media pushes and from what you spoke of before. I think it is important that we are all aware of both view points and that we can make our own minds up.


A 6-month-old baby fed only a raw food diet died of natural causes brought on by a compromised immune system that was not the result of malnutrition, a medical expert testified Thursday in the manslaughter trial of the infant's parents.

"What we have is a natural disease that killed someone," said Dr. John Marraccini...

...

Marraccini said his review of Woyah's autopsy, medical and police records indicated that she suffered from acid reflux disease, which commonly causes heartburn in adults but can cause greater complications in infants. The baby also had pneumonia and a fungus infection in her esophagus that indicated an immune deficiency.

That deficiency, Marraccini concluded, could have been caused by DiGeorge syndrome, a rare chromosomal disorder in which a person is missing the thymus gland that produces T-cells needed for a healthy immune system. Woyah had some T-cells, but Marraccini said they may not have functioned properly because of the disorder.

"Something's up with this child, and it's not just malnutrition," Marraccini said.

Miami-Dade County's medical examiner concluded that Woyah's thymus gland might have withered away because of inadequate diet and made no mention of DiGeorge syndrome.

Also:


Earlier Thursday, nutritionist Meryl Brandwein testified for the defense that it is possible to make adequate baby formula out of raw foods.

From http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/local/13074683.htm

[vegggeeemom]

i can probably find it for you, but are you aware of the well-meaning strict raw-foodist family in florida who's 6 month old baby died recently because they weaned her from breastmilk and gave her a variety of juices and "other" milks. the baby was, i believe 6 months old and weighed about 7 pounds.



raw food is wonderful for children and adults, we were BORN to breastfeed.


I have not followed this story AT ALL. But, I have found it hard to always believe what is in the media. That's why I rarely watch the news and find out the big issues/stories through friends/family and forums like here.

Now the comment about that we were BORN to breastfeed. Though I may agree with you 100% and am a breast feeding advocate, there are times a mother cannot bf or wishes not to.

This is HER decision and it appears to me that she is going to make the wisest decision for her baby.

And yes, goats milk is the closest thing to mothers milk out there. Way better than cows milk.

I have known several children to be succesufully raised on Goat's milk because they had allergies to cows milk and they turned out to be strong, fine adults.

Anyway, to the original poster. I do hope that you have found what works for you and your baby. :)

Pam

[Sheryl]

Gabriel Cousins at Tree of Life is a non practicing medical doctor who actively studies the science of raw (they even offer Master's Degrees (official ones) in raw food there). From what I have heard raw baby alternatives to breastmilk is something he has been actively studying the last few years.. you might want to check that out for ideas.

Cheers,
Sheryl