Fury!!!

[walnutty]

FURIOUS!!!


Why? Because my mother, who I have provided tons of research to and even purchased a DVD about nutrition for, told me that her MEDICAL DOCTOR told her not to eat raw fruit because it would give her diabetes!!! What the...??? This is a woman who practically lives on Coke, Lay's Potato chips and candy bars...BUT NO...she shouldn't eat RAW FRUIT because IT will give her diabetes??? OH MY GOSH!!!


PLEASE people DO NOT believe YOUR MD's when it comes to nutrition. They do not get nutritional training in MEDICAL school. They are MEDICAL doctors. They learn to treat , NOT CURE, medical diseases with prescription medication...THAT IS ALL!!!

[MysticTree]

It is just possible that her doctor has not exactly said it quite the way she says he has said it. Chin up. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
Hugs

[walnutty]

It is just possible that her doctor has not exactly said it quite the way she says he has said it. Chin up. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
Hugs

Her MD said this because my mom had started replacing 2 meals a day with green smoothies! When my mom told her MD this great news and how it was affecting her mood positively, her MD told her she better cut out the fruit in the smoothies because fruit would give her diabetes!

I totally believe my mom, because I have had the same experience with several MD's!

[MysticTree]

I think we have better doctors over here. They are still not trained enough nutritionally but they are very keen on getting everyone to eat their 5 a day and good albeit largely cooked nutrition is being tackled in some very strange places such as football clubs - it was on the radio yesterday about football clubs removing chips (fries) and burgers from the concessions at the football grounds. One football ground only serves vegetarian foods and salads are starting to gain ground too.

Did your mum's MD really say to stop the fruit but to carry on with the coke, candy bars and crisps (chips)? That's the bit I find hard to fathom.

ps any idea why what we call chips you call fries and what you call chips we call crisps? It's tedious when trying to have a transatlantic conversation.

[walnutty]

No, I don't think her MD knows about the coke, chips and candy bars! But I do! My mom has always eat tons of junk food!


Seeing me change inspired her to start with the green smoothies. I wish she hadn't told her MD about the green smoothies!


My mom grew up in an era, I guess, where you feel inclined to tell your authority figures everything. So, when the Nutribullet blender pamphlet said to tell your doctor before starting with the smoothies, she did! Her doctor told her to go ahead and drink as many green vegetables in her smoothies, but to cut out all fruit!

[walnutty]

One other thing, my mom is not diabetic, but I am. I told my mom that as a diabetic, I can drink a 1/2 gallon of fresh juiced orange juice and be fine so her adding a 1/2 cup of organic blueberries to her smoothie was not going to cause her any problems. She didn't care what I had to say, but then I am not an authority figure! :bolt

[streetsurfer]

I can certainly empathise. I am so sorry you are going through this too.

I think we might at least have a chance at helping the younger generations in our families though. It may help with having to let go of trying to help our parents see the truth if we focus on the kids or younger adults, or those who show the least bit of interest in food cures.

[Arky]

No, I don't think her MD knows about the coke, chips and candy bars! But I do! My mom has always eat tons of junk food!



LOL!

If your mum isn't straight with your doctor about her junkfood habit, do you really think she's being completely straight with you about what her doctor may have supposedly said about fruit/green smoothies?

Which do you think she enjoys more? Green smoothies or junk food? (of course you and I know which is better for her, but if she likes the taste of junkfood, and she's built up a habit, over many years, then she's very probably going to prefer the junkfood!)

I suspect there's more to this than you are currently recognising. Again, no disrespect to you whatsoever; I share your enthusiasm for raw foods and disdain for junk food and ignorance surrounding diet in many areas and professions of society.

...but if your mum loves her junkfood then what is the easiest way for her to slip comfortably back into eating it without offending you..?

[namllets]

Isn't it interesting as a culture why we glorify anybody with a white coat on. I don't get it. Put people in an official outfit and we'll believe anything they tell us!

[Aleesha Sattva]

It amazes me that ANY doctor would say that fruit causes diabetes. *rolls eyes* Why would you even go to a doctor who was spewing that kind of stupidity? How can you trust them on ANY diagnosis???


The cause of type 2 diabetes is largely unknown, but genetics and lifestyle clearly play roles. Type 2 diabetes has been linked to obesity, genetic risk factors, and inactivity.

[MysticTree]

I'm not entirely convinced that any doctor would say that.

[streetsurfer]

They would and do. I heard the same sort of garbage as I sat in on my mothers doctor visits with her.

[Revvell]

I'm not entirely convinced that any doctor would say that.

Oh yeah, they do and they also mis-diagnose about 50% of the time. That's why I don't go to them unless I break a large bone .... or something I can't fix.

[MysticTree]

Docs over here are always promoting fruit and veg.

[Aleesha Sattva]

mine is as well (I'm in Canada)

[k8sl8]

MD's have to actively search out adequate nutrition classes! It is NOT something that is given a great deal of notice in the 'book phase' of medical school. (My youngest DD is a med student doing her rotations and is VERY health conscious and very into eating well and preventative medicine.) She is frustrated as well and wants to overhaul several things on a national level...

Things won't change until the general population demands preventative med. instead of treating (throwing drugs at) symptoms (you'll notice I didn't say curing diseases).

Of course there are some great ones in the states as well, but they are probably outnumbered by the ones still treating symptoms.

My son is a chiropractor and they get more nutrition than most MD's. In addition they are VERY against throwing drugs at symptoms and especially newer grads (in my opinion) treat the whole patient rather than a symptom.

To take this a step further - and off the subject - my husband is a veterinarian and got TONS of nutrition classes on multiple species... go figure.

[MysticTree]

Doctors here in the UK throw drugs at symptoms too but they also promote fruit and veg. There is no need to assume it's an either/or stance. They are pretty loathe to prescribe anti-biotics most of the time unlike in some other countries. There is much room for improvement of course but our doctors sound much better on the whole than the average doctor in the US. Leaving aside the horrors such as Harold Shipman of course.

[walnutty]

Two months into my current (and hopefully last) raw journey (as I will do anything to stay raw) I had a diabetic check up with my MD. This was in August 2012. I told her that I hoped to be off of all diabetic meds by the 1st of the year (2013). She actually burst into laughter and told me I would never be off my diabetic meds...."You will be on them the rest of your life", she stated. 2 months later (Oct 2012) I am off of my diabetic meds! Lucky for her, when I made my next appt. for a diabetic check up I found out she was on a 6 month maternity leave...ha ha ha...can't wait to get a hold of her next summer...bwah ha ha!!!

[walnutty]

I can certainly empathise. I am so sorry you are going through this too.

I think we might at least have a chance at helping the younger generations in our families though. It may help with having to let go of trying to help our parents see the truth if we focus on the kids or younger adults, or those who show the least bit of interest in food cures.


Actually, my mom is convinced that green smoothies work as her energy levels are through the roof! My baby sis noticed the change in my mom and is begging me to come stay with her for a few days to teach her and her teenage daughter about green smoothies!

[MysticTree]

Two months into my current (and hopefully last) raw journey (as I will do anything to stay raw) I had a diabetic check up with my MD. This was in August 2012. I told her that I hoped to be off of all diabetic meds by the 1st of the year (2013). She actually burst into laughter and told me I would never be off my diabetic meds...."You will be on them the rest of your life", she stated. 2 months later (Oct 2012) I am off of my diabetic meds! Lucky for her, when I made my next appt. for a diabetic check up I found out she was on a 6 month maternity leave...ha ha ha...can't wait to get a hold of her next summer...bwah ha ha!!!

They are taught that so they think that and they repeat that. It's not really their fault . It will be nice to know what she says when she gets back off maternity leave.

[walnutty]

LOL!

If your mum isn't straight with your doctor about her junkfood habit, do you really think she's being completely straight with you about what her doctor may have supposedly said about fruit/green smoothies?

Which do you think she enjoys more? Green smoothies or junk food? (of course you and I know which is better for her, but if she likes the taste of junkfood, and she's built up a habit, over many years, then she's very probably going to prefer the junkfood!)

I suspect there's more to this than you are currently recognising. Again, no disrespect to you whatsoever; I share your enthusiasm for raw foods and disdain for junk food and ignorance surrounding diet in many areas and professions of society.

...but if your mum loves her junkfood then what is the easiest way for her to slip comfortably back into eating it without offending you..?


My post wasn't really about my mom as my mom has made a huge change in her diet by replacing two meals a day with green smoothies. She doesn't care about offending me. We aren't close at all. She just saw how all my fibro, lupus and arthritis pain had gone away because of how I am eating. I juice a lot, which has the greatest affect on my pain level, I believe. She isn't in a living situation where she can juice, but she could to smoothies...so she is!

[walnutty]

Oh yeah, they do and they also mis-diagnose about 50% of the time. That's why I don't go to them unless I break a large bone .... or something I can't fix.


Amen! I am now down to just 3 prescriptions (from 12) and except for that I would not see an MD at all.

[walnutty]

Docs over here are always promoting fruit and veg.


I have had DO's that promote fruits and veggies, but there aren't any on my insurance and in my area right now.

[walnutty]

MD's have to actively search out adequate nutrition classes! It is NOT something that is given a great deal of notice in the 'book phase' of medical school. (My youngest DD is a med student doing her rotations and is VERY health conscious and very into eating well and preventative medicine.) She is frustrated as well and wants to overhaul several things on a national level...

Things won't change until the general population demands preventative med. instead of treating (throwing drugs at) symptoms (you'll notice I didn't say curing diseases).

Of course there are some great ones in the states as well, but they are probably outnumbered by the ones still treating symptoms.

My son is a chiropractor and they get more nutrition than most MD's. In addition they are VERY against throwing drugs at symptoms and especially newer grads (in my opinion) treat the whole patient rather than a symptom.

To take this a step further - and off the subject - my husband is a veterinarian and got TONS of nutrition classes on multiple species... go figure.


Things ARE changing! Just look at us! :throwhearts:

[pinenut]

Trust me here in America (and for some reason especially where I live in Florida) the doctors here disdain eating fruit like it's something evil. They told both my boyfriend and his mother (who lives in North Carolina) the exact same thing!! Avoid eating fresh fruit, it's too high in sugar you will get diabetes. My boyfriend is an television production engineer and is wired to believe any so called doctor/scientist rather than research it hearty skepticism, like I do. It irritates me to no end that he would rather take statin medcation that basically destroys the liver to "control" his cholestoral then eat clean healthy fats and garlic known and proven to lower bad cholestoral and raise good cholesteral. He honestly thinks Fat Free Pringles are healier than eating a salad with olive oil just because the olive oil has fat in it @.@ !!!!!

It drives me bats, but at least he knows me well enough by know to know never to tell me how or what I should eat. I don't tell him what to eat, he doesn't tell me what to eat. That's one of many reasons I love him.... (I just wish he would listen to me LOL)

[MysticTree]

Doctors here in the UK are not as bad as that though I expect there are a few that would let me down over my assertion! The bottom line is that science doesn't seem to absolutely know what causes diabetes so giving fruit a kicking for it seems so unfair.