raw food marathoners

[Allison]

Has anyone personally run a marathon while being 100% raw? I'm training for a half-marathon next spring. I've been 85% raw for almost five years, but I notice my energy lags when 100%.

Allison

[tglasco4]

Your energy lags at 100%? Thats strange, I never heard it before. When you were 100%, how long did you stay 100%? Did you include foods like nuts and dates in your diet while you were 100%? I am curious because you are the first one to report a loss of energy at that level of raw.

Todd

[Allison]

The times I was 100% were never longer than a month at a time, so maybe the problem was that I didn't give it long enough. But when I say a lack of energy, maybe it would be more accurate to say a lack of stamina, I don't know. I do know, though, that when I eat cooked food, I always have more energy to run longer. I believe in the benefits of raw...obviously, since I've kept at it this long, but I do wonder about the energy thing.

Oh, and yes, I did include nuts, etc. in my diet.

Allison

[tglasco4]

Hiya Allison,

If you run regularly at good distances (and it sounds like you do), you may feel weaker (i.e. loss of stamina) while the detox process is happening. If you were raw for say, 3 months straight or even 6 months straight, I believe your stamina would probably go to another level. I know I felt weaker for a few weeks recently with a detox episode. It was less energy in general but nothing real specific. Then all the sudden, the energy came back. I am not a long distance runner by any stretch (I consider running a necessary evil...LOL) but just this week I decided to run the mountain upon which I live. Its at least 1000 feet high on an incline of about 45 degrees. I have lived here for 3 years and people get a workout just walking up it. The round trip is only about 1.5 miles to and from my home. But I did it! I have been raw now for 6 months and 100% for about 2 weeks. I wonder what would happen to someone like you who runs regularly after being raw for 6 months?

Todd

[carolg]

My friend, who I am promoting, has walked the Pacific Trail on raw, and now gearing up for a 5 month hike, raw only, for the Continental Trail probably in April or June. He is planning on a marathon a day walk! It will benefit Cherie Soria center and where Elaina Love, Victoria Bountenko, and many othrs have studied including Roxanne.

Alissa has talent in her own awesome category! We love you Alisssa!
carolg

[Allison]

Very cool! Extreme/adventure sports fascinate me. Will your friend be keeping an online journal or anything? If so, I'd love a link to it.

Allison

[carolg]

Yes, I understand there will be an online journal going, a link too, but right now we are still in the planning stages so things can change. Will let you know once I know, but it's looking like April or June for the start. As plans evolve I will post. I know he'll go through about 5 pairs of shoes during the "hike."
carolg

[Rawism]

I have ran a marathon but this wasn't while being raw. However, I did run a 1/2 marathon while being raw and the major difference for me was no cramps.

While running, I tend to get side cramps during my first mile or so. I have had this since high school. I always thought it was my breathing, but after running a 1/2 marathon while raw, I realized it was my food that my body was still trying to digest while I was running. Weird, eh?

I didn't notice any more fatigue than expected. And I felt great afterwards. I even lost 5-6 lbs that week of my 1/2 marathon.

Hmmm...I think I will train for another marathon. :)

[misslinda]

YEah a long distance runner!!!!!

Allison I'm a long distance runner too. In the past, I was all raw except egg whites from time to time. I am getting back into raw again.

Personally when I was 98% raw, I was running 6 days a week (junkie for runner's high) 9-15 miles a day. On lazy days (few) ran 5 miles. I contributed my stamnia to quality water intake (I'm a firm believer in PENTA water). Also, weight training was something I had implemented because most runner's are deficit in weight training to up keep the runner's muscles.

Do you mind me asking how old you are and how long you have been running? What's your typical day like in terms of food, water and run?

Glad you are here,
Lidna

[tglasco4]

MsLinda,

You mentioned the runners high. I have heard that term before. Can you describe what thats like? I have always thought of running as a necessary evil (LOL). But I am beginning to get back into it lightly now. I know its because of the raw diet. At what point during your 9-15 mile runs did you feel it? What did it feel like? Is it like a second (or third) wind?

Todd

[Allison]

Hi,

Sorry I didn't respond sooner...I just saw this. I am 39 and have only been running since the first of the year. I love it! It makes me feel great, and I know I am doing something good for my heart (heart disease runs in my family).

I was running six days a week, until last weekend, when I fell in Lowe's and tore a ligament. It's killing me not to run.

What is PENTA water?

Allison

[Allison]

Todd,

Runner's high usually means the endorphins have been released in your body. It gives you a feeling of well-being, optimism, and an "I can conquer the world and do anything" feeling.

Allison

[misslinda]

Hey Todd,

That is so true what Allison said about runner's high--you literally feel like "beyond human" as if you can and do anything. Myself, I would have this goofy look on my face while I ran. I typically would gain it @ about 1 /2 and I could run for miles without being tired or fatigued. It was not unusual for me to be even more energized after 13-15 miles. I'm looking back into training once I get better from my neck and back injuries.

Allison,

here is the site to penta water http://www.pentawater.com I'm sorry about your fall--that really sucks. I know how that goes, I fell down and hurt myself in September and have not ran since. It may be another 7 months before I can do any running. However, I'm a firm believer in quality healing so I tend to forsee myself getting back into the swing much sooner. That's awesome that you got into running--can I ask what your favorite shoes are?

[tglasco4]

That runners high thing sounds cool. Maybe now that I am raw I can get into running enough to experience it. It appears from what you all are saying, that its something that doesnt happen after only 1-3 miles, but after a greater distance. Well, I am feeling up for the challenge! Lets see if I can turn this "necessary evil" into a joy. Thanks my raw buddies ;)

Peace.

Todd

[Allison]

I just bought a pair of Saucony Grid Omni's...pricey, but worth it. Since the race is in March, I will probably buy another pair around the first of the year.

Which shoes do you prefer?

Allison

[misslinda]

Allison,

Because of my weight (preinjury status), shape of feet, mileage and style of running, I have alwasy done well with Nike airmax line. I can also cross over with selected Adidas styles too. I love the traction on Adidas.

I used to own NB but never did well in them. I believe they are more for narrow feet--I just never ran long in NB's. Asics and Saucony's don't allow me to run long. Some style are cushioned well but my mileage decreased.

It takes me at least a year to find a running shoe I really like--but then again I am guilty of keeping the same ones since I become attached to them.

I'm looking forward to getting back into training when my doctor approves. I get a little "blue" b/c my mile time before injury was 6 m/m. I was eager to do 5 m/m but that will have to wait (!!!!)

what are some of your favorite places to run and when do you usually run?

~Linda

[misslinda]

Hey Todd,

That is awesome.....I meet so many people who hate running and do not understand the "itch" runner's get to want to run. I bet once you feel it, you'll be hooked (!!!) It's such a great feeling--please let us know when you experience this during a run.

If I can offer any suggestions, I would suggest cross training with hills and flat surface. Weight training on opposite days and plenty of water. Posture is everything!!!!!!!!

Good luck.

~Linda

[tglasco4]

Thanks Linda,

I will probably be asking for your advice as I begin. I am hoping to get some good running in before the snow comes here heavily. I may have to stop during the winter because they are severe here. Its very hilly here so I am not sure how much of a choice I have as far as surfaces! Even though I don't like it, I know that running is a fantastic exercise which is why I push myself to do it. Did I read you correctly that you were doing 6 minute miles? Girlfriend, thats floatin'! Whoa. Remind me never to run with you :p . I may die in the process! I hope you continue in the raw and the juice fasting as that will speed up the healing of your injuries so that you can get back to the running you love.

Peace.

Todd

[misslinda]

I ditto that--I've been juicing and raw for almost a week now and seeing changes already. I am looking forward to running again when I've healed.

yes, I was @ 6 m/m but whenever I reach a goal, I want to do better (!!!!).

You live where I would love to be--hills, hills and more hills. BTW, where do you live Todd? I was also going to mention, I ran in the snow last year and they were the most amazing runs. I'd imagine since your snowy days are more severe, you'll stay indoors. Can you run in your house ;-) ???

~Linda

[tglasco4]

Hi Linda,

I live in New Hampshire. I assumed you lived in California (I don't know why). The problem with winter here is not so much the snow as it gets very icy. I live on a mountain top. Maybe if I walked down to the bottom I could run anyways. I will play it by ear I guess. I am going on a 4 mile run tomorrow with a friend (he is a runner). I am hoping him pushing me will help me finish. There are some very steep hills to run up on the route we are doing. We'll see ;) .

Todd

[misslinda]

Hey Todd,

Wow, in NH--I've never been there but have seen pictures and it's BEAUTIFUL! What made you decide to live in a mountain top?

I don't have any doubt that you would be successful at running--you strike me as the type of person that does things with a very goal oriented mind set. By any chance are you a Libra?

So what is your friend's m/m? Enjoy your run.

~Linda

[Allison]

I'm going to have to look into the shoe thing again. The reason I got the kind I did was because of the cushioning. My knees sometimes bother me, and I thought that would help.

We live out in the country, so I either run inside on my treadmill or out on the dirt roads around my house. It's beautiful, but there is one dog that I think wants to eat me alive.

Todd, I have a dread of the hills, too, but while I am running up them, I keep reminding myself that hills don't last forever and the other side is going down : ) That seems to help a little.

Allison

[tglasco4]

Misslinda,

Well, I didn't exactly decide to live on the mountaintop, I was led here. I have lived here for 3 yrs now. But I feel in my spirit we are going to move next year, I just don't know where. I go where my God leads me, when the cloudy pillar moves, so do I :) . I don't believe in the zodiac personally, but if you do more power to you!

Allison, I know what you mean about the dogs. I always have a nice rock handy for such occasions. I wish the owners would be more responsible with their hounds. Most people in my neighborhood are here in New Hampshire. I think its because people are so independent-minded here someone may shoot a dog in that situation. There are alot of hunters here :( . But this state does believe in its creed "Live free or die" thats for sure. Its one of the reasons I love it here.

Peace.

Todd

[misslinda]

Todd, Todd, Todd,

I hope I didn't spook you--I don't "believe in" zodiac but I recognize it as a fun creative art form in life. I was raised in a Christian home all my life so I understand where your coming from in terms of spiritual beliefs. That's cool that you can be open about it.

Allison, I don't know about you but I hate shopping for running shoes!! It takes me forever to find ones I fall in love with. I tend to want the right look as well as the right feel--that doesn't always come in one package. One former marathon runner suggested massaging behind the knees for circulation and support. he said that tends to be an area that causes many runners the knee pains. Personally, I have been fortunate--never had knee pains so I cannot offer my opinion. As far as a topical treatment, Emu oil has been clinically researched to absorb under the epidermal layers of the skin providing soft tissue with anti in flammatory result etc.



~Linda

[tglasco4]

Say Linda,

When you said posture is everything, what did you mean? Would you elaborate if you don't mind?


Todd

[misslinda]

Hey Todd,

I'll elaborate as much as I can--I'm not an expert by any means but I'll speak from experience. I'll be talking from a long distance point of view rather than speed.

I see running as a foward movement and quite often, I see other runners that literally run down to the ground before they carry themsleves forward. Here are some things I have been aware of when running....

1. Always good shoes and socks.
2. Consider the spine as the basis for running--should be long and not twisted when running (the most important).
3. A slight forward tilt is natural when picking up speed--shoulders relaxed but not dangling
4. Arms to the side--relaxed angle where elbows are aligned with the natural waist
4. don't forget to breathe
5. Considering that the sacrum is what bring the hip joints together, it's important to run head on without twisting your joints.

*upright spine while running is the most imperative of quality running--you'll run, breathe and recover better than most of us (!!!!)

I hope this helps but like I said I am not an expert.

~Linda

[tglasco4]

Hey Linda,

Thanks alot. Expert or no, that was great advice. Although I am not exactly sure what it means to run with the spine "long" as opposed to "twisted". I do understand trying to remain relaxed as possible and not tense as I am running. Btw, I did about 3.25 miles today over some very hilly terrain, I am psyched! Now I want to run at least 3 times per week and increase my mileage slowly. I know the raw diet will be of great benefit. Thanks again!

Todd

[misslinda]

That is awesome Todd (!!!!)

How did you feel (mentally, physically etc.)???

If I can clarify this way, there is a tendency to slouch when running or run with our arms/shoulders twisting side to side (hip joints doing the same)--I've seen other runners do this and considering that the spine flows up and down, any distraction or alteration of its natural form causes the body to give up energy to attempt to correct the "misalignment."

For example.....2 cars traveling at the same speed going forward. Car #1 drives straight towards the finish line. Car #2 drives forward but with a slight side to side motion instead of straight. Car#2 doesn t' get to the finish line the same time and wasted gas moving side to side.

I believe we can view the spine the same way......it may not seem structurally obvious when we run but running with out slouching, twisting (shoulders and hip joints), stomping etc. allows our spine to flow correctly so that it the energy is spent effectively.

So what was your m/m so far? I'm really excited for you---what kind of running shoes did you buy?

~Linda

[tglasco4]

Hi Linda,

I think from what you are telling me it seems to be a question of efficiency of motion and optimum use of energy. That makes sense. As far as the run. I felt pretty good for most of it. The first major hill I climbed was difficult, but I felt like a conquerer when I made it to the top and didn't stop. My friend is a runner, I don't think he times himself but he can go a long way. When we had run over 3 miles there was the very steep hill that leads to our homes, its about a mile up. I stopped there, because I felt like fainting. He, of course, ran up it. I am determined that I will also before long. I didn't time myself. At this point I just want to build up so that I feel energized by the run. I didn't buy running shoes yet, I ran in my basketball nikes (LOL). The interesting thing happened though, as I walked up the mountain and was getting my breath back I felt energized. When I got to my driveway, I did a set of 80 pushups! Then I changed from my wet clothes and for the next 2 hours or so I went out and split firewood. Great exercise in the open air. Then I came home and did another 160 pushups. I would have done more but my wife came in and wanted to spend some time so I stopped. I am really psyched about running now because its a challenge that will strengthen me when I conquer it. I would like to run 3 or 4 days this week (Sun/Tues/Thurs/Friday). We'll see. How are you doing? How is the juicing and raw going? When do you anticipate being able to start your running again?

Peace.

Todd

[Allison]

Todd,

Sounds like you've got the running bug in you now! I don't think I mentioned that I have a love/hate relationship with running. I hate getting started and the first couple of miles, but then I kind of get into my thing and enjoy it, and I especially love how it makes me feel about myself.

Oh, and I'm trying the 100% raw, too. It's been a little over a week now. I'm not running yet, because of my foot injury, but I'm interested to see how my energy level does while running and having been 100% for a while.

Congratulations on your run!

Allison

[tglasco4]

Hi Allison,

I know how you feel. I don't feel like I have caught the "bug", maybe I have :D . I know that now that I have started, I want to build on it. I have a route that is a little over 4 miles starting from and back to my driveway. It ends with a mile going straight up a hill. My goal is to master the route so that it becomes routine. If I do that I know I will have reached another level of health and fitness. But I totally get the "love/hate" thing. For me the worst is that portion just before I feel my second wind kick in. I feel like stopping then. The other bad part for me is at the end. I feel the second wind for about 2 miles at this point, the last mile is a struggle and a fight. But I know that part will get easier. When I did all fruit 3 years ago, I would be sprinting at the end and it felt great. I will get back to that as I develope. The good thing is, because I am 100% raw, I don't expect it to take as long for me to reach that point. My body is feeling really tight and fit now so I believe its just a matter of my lungs getting more power. The clean air up here in the New Hampshire hills will fix that!

Allison, I hope and pray your ankle fully heals in the near term.

Peace.

Todd

[lsmart]

Hi all -

Great thread! I'm one of those folks who likes to run -- but I'm very injury prone. Everytime I build my long runs up to 8-12 miles I end up hurt. The discussion on posture is interesting. Anybody hear of Chi Running? http://www.chirunning.com . I've ordered the DVD, but I'd love to get testimonials. I'm hoping this will break my "curse."

I just returned to running after a year off due to chronic tendonitis (hip and periformis). There's been lots of physical therapy in my life. I'm also hoping that eating more raw foods will help fend off those injuries.

As for runner's high -- I only experience it after I've been running about 30-45 minutes. Then it tends to cycle every half hour or so. I'm a slow runner -- only 9 minute miles when I'm in the best shape -- maybe that has something to do with it.

[tglasco4]

Welcome Ismart!

Hopefully the raw diet will help alleviate the injury issues. Sounds like you are a really seasoned runner! Good for you!

Todd

[lsmart]

Naw, I'm no seasoned runner. I'm on again/off again due to the injury thing. At least I keep returning to it. I guess that's why they call it, "practice."

I've only been back for a couple of weeks after almost a year off. I do the run/walk thing while I build up stamina. Right now that means 10 minute warm up, then 1 minute run/1 minute walk for about half an hour. Then walk to cool down and stretch, stretch, stretch.

I'm hoping to do a 5K in May. By then I should be up to 7/1 intervals. Once I hit 10/1 intervals I stick to it. If I don't take walk breaks, well, that old injury thing comes into play much quicker.

I'll let everybody know when I master the ChiRunning thing.

[misslinda]

Hey welcome lsmart(!!!)

Thanks for sharing the information on the chirunning...I was rather intrigued by it and did some reading. I'm even planning on using it as a tool in my daily life to keep my posture in proper forma nd alignment.

I know what you mean about getting back into running. I'm out on injury and it sucks! Nevertheless, I look forward to making a comeback and running better and faster.

BTW, do you have a first name that you wouldn't mind sharing.....unless you prefer "lsmart" as your name.

Thanks again.

~Linda

[lsmart]

Welcome Ismart!

Hopefully the raw diet will help alleviate the injury issues. Sounds like you are a really seasoned runner! Good for you!

Todd

Hi Todd -- BTW it's L smart not i smart. L for Laura :-)

[lsmart]

Hey welcome lsmart(!!!)

BTW, do you have a first name that you wouldn't mind sharing.....unless you prefer "lsmart" as your name.



Sure -- the l in lsmart is for Laura :-)

[tglasco4]

Ok......did the 4 mile trek today. I even sprinted uphill for about the last 100 yards. We are moving right along here. Now I just need to get the trek done faster. If the weather permits that should happen in the next couple of weeks. A buddy of mine who is also raw, wants to do a 7 miler around the mountain we live on. I couldn't say this before I went raw but I think I will be ready for it just after the new year. We'll see. I am still kickin' it in my basketball nike's for now. I hope to get some real running shoes in the next few weeks. I think Laura (Lsmart) is right, I may now officially have the "bug".

Todd

[Allison]

Wow, running uphill the last 100 yards, that's doing pretty well! My only comment would be to not increase distance and time too quickly, as you will be more likely to injure yourself that way.

Allison

[twinyoga]

Can I join in? I ran the Chicago Marathon two years ago. I had tendonitis in both shins but still ran it. I don't plan on another marathon anytime soon. But I am back to running (on a treadmill) 2x a week and practice my yoga daily (with a class once a week).

I'd like to have a goal of running a 10K in April. My goal is a 9 m/m but I gotta work up to it. I'm at about a 10 m/m right now. Not bad for giving birth to twins in March and having been on bed rest for most of the pregnancy. I honestly think I'm in better shape now than I was pre-babies. Maybe it's because I'm carrying two babies all day long! Actually, I know the yoga has built great stamina and flexibility which helps.

The runners high is great. I've had it many, many times. Usually the first mile is the worst for me, then I slowly get into the groove.

These days, I'm working on running inclines. Even if the pace is slower.

Gotta go drink some water. :)

Debbie

[tglasco4]

Allison, Thanks alot for that great advice. I do have a habit of pushing too hard too fast when I get into something new in the exercise realm. I have done it with weight training many, many times. I believe I have finally learned my lesson there, but since I have never been injured while running I may be naive to it. So I will definitely heed your advice. My goal is to stay at 4 miles for a couple of weeks and hopefully making the run easier and easier. Then I will increase it to maybe 5 or 6 miles before I go for the 7. Today I ran it again and it was 12 degrees out. But it felt wonderful! I sat down for about 5 minutes at the end then did 80 pushups. Working out in the outdoors is totally refreshing.

TwinYoga, Please do join us, the more the merrier!! (not sure I spelled that right, but you get the picture ;) )

Peace.

Todd

[misslinda]

Todd,

congrats on the official running BUG....however, I really would hate to see you create injuries-running with in proper shoes. You are loved to much on this site to such a thing (!!!!)

One of my mentors (a former marathon runner and trainer), gave me a little training tip to develop speed......this one is fun!

1.) Need one tennis ball
2.) As you run throw the ball in front of you
3.) You find yourself pulling yourself forward to catch it
4.) Next thing you know, you are goijng faster and faster

I always found this to be fun and it helped me run forward instead of down adn forward action.

Enjoy,
linda

[tglasco4]

Linda, you are too crazy.......LOL!! Ok. A tennis ball. I don't know sis, I would probably throw it in front of me, lose and and keep going :p . As my wind grows stronger, I go faster usually.


Peace.

Todd

[misslinda]

I guarantee you would love this exercise (!!!!!) If not, I will pay for you plane ticket when we have our 1 st convention <<<<WINK>>>>.

luv,
linda :p

[tglasco4]

I did the 4 mile trek today. Its not a breeze yet, but its definitely getting much easier. I have re-discovered a rule I used to run by but forgot about (since its been 3 years since I last ran). I have learned the run goes alot easier and I can be much more relaxed if I just focus no more than a few yards in front of me. In the beginning I would be looking ahead, seeing a big hill coming and dreading it. Then it would be a tremendous struggle to get up it. Now I just concentrate on a point on the ground a few yards ahead of me. Before I know it, I am covering alot of ground. Even the hills were easier to climb. I got into a really good rhythm and I was able to have a nice sprint the last 60 yards. I feel like in a couple of weeks I will be prepared for a longer run of maybe 7 miles. But, one day at a time :) .

Peace.

[misslinda]

In awe of you my good friend.

Here's another suggestion "how 'bout the good old green giant moster chasing you--run faster up the hill?" :D :eek: :p

Day 2 juice fast,
linda

[tglasco4]

In awe of you my good friend.

Here's another suggestion "how 'bout the good old green giant moster chasing you--run faster up the hill?" :D :eek: :p

Day 2 juice fast,
linda

Linda, you are too much missjuicer.

Before it was the tennis ball......now a green monster :p . Hey why don't I get a pit bull and he can chase me, maybe I will go faster then :D .....wait, I already have a chocolate lab that does that :rolleyes: . ok......need new motivation I guess....lol


Todd

[misslinda]

((((((effects of juice fasting)))))

okay, seriously.......here is osme helpful inforamtion for all of us :p

Hill Technique for Runners
By Daniel Zemper
(Dan Zemper is a runner who has substantial experience in running and knowledge of the techniques used both in the United States and Europe.)


Momentum should be maintained or created before the base of the hill is met. With this, the runner then drives into the hill, trying to maintain the pace from the level ground. During the uphill run, the runner should not lean forward too much. An upright posture is better, leaning into the hill only as much as necessary for balance. The stride length should be shortened and knee lift emphasized since bounding up a hill is very inefficient and tiring. Arms should be used in a sprinter's style relaxed and swinging in a forward motion. The steeper the hill, the higher the arms should swing, until, if necessary, they reach near the area of the ear,

When cresting the hill, the same effort should be maintained. Often, this is where many will slow down and breath a sigh of relief. This is where, with concentration, ground can be gained on other runners. Working over the lop should be emphasized whenever hills are run.

[tglasco4]

Ok...really good run yesterday. I am going to attempt to go 5 or 6 miles on Friday. Definitely have caught the "bug" I think. Hope I don't bonk since Friday will also be the first day of my 7 day water fast. The first day is usually when I am the most active. I just need to run before the afternoon. This is cool though!!

[twinyoga]

Miss Linda, thanks for the advice on running up hill. It's too cold for me to run outside but I've been doing some speed work and hill running on the treadmill. Yesterday I really worked on using my arms and I ran on the incline beautifully. I'm feeling it today! Sore muscles! It's great, though.

Thanks
Debbie

[tglasco4]

Had a terrific run of over 6 miles on Friday. Lots of hills. I believe I am starting to get the hill "technique". Each time I run it gets better. Can't wait until tomorrow to run again! I really need to be careful though as some (including my wife) have warned me. I will seek to stick to a 3-day per week run schedule, maybe 4 if the weather permits, so I don't hurt myself. But I am loving it now!! :D

[misslinda]

Way to go Todd (!!!!!!)

That is admirable....pick me up on the way--I'll be 3 miles behind you! Sounds like you really are enjoying this whole running thing--are you? So have you truly experienced this runner's high?

......running shoes for xmas? :p


rehabilitating to out run you,
linda

[tglasco4]

Thanks Linda!

Believe me, with the speeds you were doing before your injuries I am quite sure you can outrun me hopping on one leg. As for the high, I am not sure, I did feel this second wind kick in very strongly after 4 miles. Felt like I was just starting the run instead of three quarters thru it. Yes, I am enjoying this, more than anytime in my life for sure. Eating 100% raw has made all the difference! No runners shoes for xmas but I will probably have them in January ;) .

Peace

Todd


Way to go Todd (!!!!!!)

That is admirable....pick me up on the way--I'll be 3 miles behind you! Sounds like you really are enjoying this whole running thing--are you? So have you truly experienced this runner's high?

......running shoes for xmas? :p


rehabilitating to out run you,
linda

[misslinda]

.....COME TO THINK OF IT TODD, EVEN THOUGH I HAVE NEVER MET YOU IN PERSON, I'M BELIEVING THAT YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE PRETTY DARN HEALTHY-MIND BODY & SPIRIT. MAYBE THE RUNNER'S HIGH THAT ALLISON AND I WERE DESCRIBING IS SOMETHING YOU ALWAYS FEEL??? JUST BY YOUR PHOTO, YOU BREATHE HEALTH (!!!!)


CIAO,
LINDA :p

[tglasco4]

LOL, I don't think so sis......:)

[tglasco4]

Learned something on my run today. I just decided to shorten my strides alittle and pick up my pace. It worked very well. I didn't time myself but the 6.3 miles was definitely covered faster than usual. The hills became way easier to handle. I believe that before I was hesitant to do it because I was afraid I would use up my energy and bonk. The shorter strides actually helped me stay with a very good pace, especially when climbing the hills. Takes me awhile sometimes but I get it eventually:)

Peace.

[misslinda]

hey Todd,

do you run the same route everytime you run? you got your shoes???? better not say NO :eek:


luv,
linda

[tglasco4]

Hi Linda,

I am running the same route for now. Maybe for at least the next two weeks. No, unfortunately I did not get my running shoes yet. Hopefully I will get them in the coming weeks as the Lord blesses me. I am planning to extend the run to 8 miles in about 2 weeks, weather permitting. Right now I just want to improve my speed and running technique on this 6.3 mile trek. So far, so good. How are you coming along? Are you at the point of being able to run yet?

Todd

[misslinda]

OHHHHHlal Todd,

I am working with a great team of doctor's that are giving me the progress I need. I can feel myself heal internally and slowly making physical progress. I promise you, the day of our annual convention, we will run 10 miles!!!!!

I'm pryaing tonite for shoes by next week---poor toes!

roadrunner,
linda
:p

[Tim]

Hi Todd, Hi Linda,
I try to do a running or gym session every day and am getting fitter month by month. I was scared that a raw/vegan diet would affect muscle developement, but so far I've had no problems. Have either of you had any problems?

tim

[misslinda]

Hey Tim,

Welcome. I am in injury status right now but what little exercisese I am doing, my body has maintained better than I thought. On SAD, I would have ballooned up and been all jiggly!

and you Todd?

luv,
linda

[Rawmommie]

Hi Linda, Todd, Tim, & any other runners out there. :) I just started up running again. It's been a little over a year and almost 2 years since I was running consistently. I'm overweight, so my numbers are no where near impressive as yours. I started out doing the couch to 5K program, it's a 9 week program that slowly works you into running with intervals of running/walking. I have experienced the runners high Linda. :) Cried a few times from it, I was so overwhelmed. Anyway, I was running 5K pretty well and then the runners knee hit. I got a treadmill and that seemed to help, apparently my stride is too long on pavement, but the treadmill kept me taking short strides. But, I had to move and sold my treadmill, so that is when I stopped running. I'm working myself back up not to a 5K, but my muscles are screaming at me every step of the way! It feels good though. I want to take it slow because I want to build up those muscles in the thigh. I believe that these muscles being weak leads to the runners knee. So anyway, I'm running at our rec center b/c the kids want to run with me too and it's too cold outside to run. It's nice to be back!

Karen

[tglasco4]

Congrats Karen!

Glad you are back! It will be great seeing you progress. I know what you mean about the knee thing. I have very strong thighs, but everytime I extend my distance, my knees hurt for about 24 hrs. Went I went from 4 miles to 6.3 miles my knees hurt after each run for the first 4 times I ran it. Then my body got used to it and it stopped until I decided to consciously run faster on Friday, then they were a little sore for about 12 hours. But I am finding its a gradual process and its about the body getting accustomed to the workload. Glad you are joining our little runners "forum" :) .

Peace.

Todd

[misslinda]

Awesome Karen!

I'm so glad to see you 're getting back into running--it really is sport of its own. Is this a program you signed up for or out of a book? I know what you mean about "crying" after runner's high. It truy feels like you are happy, on top of the world etc." Such a wonderful feeling.

I noticed in the past that my runner's high had residual effect/affect and I would consistently be in a great mood do ten million thigns a once adn not be tired! I'm looking forward to getting there again.

KNEES: there is muscle back of knees that can be massaged to alleviate tightness and some pain. this was recommened by a former marathoner/professional athlete.

Abdominals: the stronger your abs the easier your runs!

Boy, i have alot of retraining to do.


luv,
linda

[tglasco4]

Hi Tim,

Sorry I didn't respond sooner. I am finding my body getting much more definition now that I am raw. I am getting more "cut" if you know what I mean. I just started adding some ab exercises to my routine which I had not done since I started raw 9 months ago. I am already noticing abdominal striations forming. But, I must admit, I know this is a work in progress, so we'll see how things are in another few months. I may lose more weight because I am not sure where my body will settle in at. When it does I will know how the raw has affected my muscularity overall. But so far, definitely so good. :)

Peace.

Todd


Hi Todd, Hi Linda,
I try to do a running or gym session every day and am getting fitter month by month. I was scared that a raw/vegan diet would affect muscle developement, but so far I've had no problems. Have either of you had any problems?

tim

[misslinda]

Wow Todd, will you post a picture at that time? You've been a real inspiration in my healing/rehabilitating process!


one your biggest fans,
linda :)

[tglasco4]

Dear sister linda,

You are so very nice. Yes, I will probably post a picture in March or April.

Todd

[Allison]

The same thing happens to my knees. They always hurt for a day and then are okay.

So, does anyone know anything about treadmills? Mine keeps konking out on me around 6.5 - 7 miles. It will just stop. I can wait about 30 seconds and then restart it, but I want to know what's wrong. My husband thought maybe it was overheating, but I have no idea. Any ideas?

Allison

[tglasco4]

I have no idea Allison. Never had a treadmill. Sorry...

Todd

[tglasco4]

ok.....went 7.5 miles today.......Yeah!!

[misslinda]

TODD,
HERE'S A CYBER HIGH FIVE--WHACK! :p "TOP OF THE WORLD.."


ALLISON,

WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU START THE TREADMILL ON THAT SPEED? IN THE PST, WHEN I RAN TH TREADMILL AT THE GYM, I'VE HAD THE SAME PROBLEM--I BEIEVE IT MAY BE A "COMPUTER" ISSUE WITH THE MACHINE........ ABOUT RUNNING TREADMILLS, THERE WAS A STUDY DONE AT LEAST SEVERAL YEARS BACK ON TREADMILL RUNNING-MUSCLES DEVELOP INCORRECTLY USING THE TREADMILL. PERSONALLY, I'VE NEVER LIKE THE WAY MY KNEES AND HIPS FELT RUNNING ON THE TREADMILL BUT THEN AGAIN, SOME PEOPLE DO......NOT TRYING TO DISCOURAGE YOU BUT SOME INFO I HEARD AWHILE BACK.

WRITING IN ALL CAPS LATELY,
LINDA :p

[Allison]

Todd,

Congratulations!

Linda,

Do you know why the muscles would develop incorrectly? I do notice a difference running on the treadmill than outside, but I thought that was just the fact that there was a little "give" on the treadmill. This will be a big bummer for me because I live on a dirt road, and with all the rain, what I really live on is a mud road. There is no way I could run on that right now.

Allison

[misslinda]

Hey Allison,

I should have been a little more clear...... damage can be done outside as well with improper shoes, wrong posture etc. but treadmill running is confined and "superficial" if you would call it--by all means not trying to offend anyone--it does have good sides to it.


excerpt:
The drawback of the treadmill is it forces you into a four-foot-wide running frame, which limits your body’s range of movement. When you run outside, your muscles and joints move around more due to uneven ground, corners, obstacles, wind resistance and your body’s natural efforts to balance itself – this all helps the body to burn more calories than it would on a treadmill. Moving within a treadmill’s restricted space can constrain your body – limiting the natural range in your running gait. This can cause your muscles to tighten up and cause back, hip and knee problems in the long term.


hope this helps,
linda

[tglasco4]

Allison in the situation you are in I would say the treadmill is better than nothing. I have never used one myself, but the only drawback I could conceive is that you're not outside. There is absolutely no substitute for exercise in open air. I don't believe its benefits can be overestimated. But as long as the roads are in as bad a shape as they are in, keep going on the treadmill! You are looking absolutely stunning, so keep running! :p (That rhymes).

Peace.

Todd

[Allison]

Don't worry, I'm not giving up. I'm going to keep going on the treadmill until the weather clears up.

I completely agree about being outside. It makes a world of difference in people's attitudes when they get outside for a while.

By the way, Todd, have you thought about running a half-marathon this spring? Only 13.1 miles.

Allison

[tglasco4]

Well, Allison, I really am trying to stay away from a competitive atmosphere. I feel like it hurts me spiritually. I would like to be running at least one run per week of 12 miles. At the rate I am going I expect to be there before April.

I am so glad to hear that you are going to continue your program until the weather breaks. Great move!

Peace.

Todd

[Allison]

I completely understand about the competitiveness. When I race, I race against myself and my own time only. I really enjoy being around a bunch of people enjoying exercise and trying to be healthy.

Allison

[tglasco4]

Yes, thats how I feel too. I just want to do better than I did before, to always be improving. The raw lifestyle is making that even more exciting!

Todd

[Allison]

Okay, I know you don't want to hear this, but I am losing energy again. Specifically, I was running tonight, and around the 5 mile mark, I thought I was about to die. I forced myself to 5 1/2, but I really thought I was going to faint. This shouldn't be happening. I am not restricting my food intake at all. If anything, I've been eating more. I don't think this is detox, either, because I have felt completely fine otherwise. I quit running about 1 1/2 hours ago, and I still feel tired. Normally, I can run further than that and still feel energetic afterwards. If anyone has any experience with this, I would love to hear about it.

Allison

[tglasco4]

Yes, that happens to me when I am detoxing Allison. I feel weaker. One day last week I ran only 5.5 miles when I usually do over 6. I knew it was detox. Then when it was done, I ran over 7 miles this past Tuesday. Weak and faint are part of the process when you go 100%. It will work itself out.......just trust the process.

Peace.

Todd

[Morenaza]

Hello. I'm new to the board. And, I enjoy reading your posts.

I'm contemplating going raw. In fact, I will attempt a raw diet for two weeks. I've been a runner for, let's see, going on 11 years now. I've ran 5ks, 10ks, a marathon, a half marathon and a 20k. I used to do lots of running until I got a stress fracture in my pelvis while training for my second marathon a little over three years ago. I've finally returned to running about 2-3 days a week. But, now, I keep the distances short 3-5 miles. I'm young, 28, so I'd like to think I can return my body to optimum running health again. I don't think I'll do another marathon. But, I'd like to do 5 and 10ks this year.

I'm worried about how going raw will affect my running. Any tips. I want to make sure I'm getting properly nourished. The thought on not carbo-loading is mind-boggling. :confused: ;)

[misslinda]

AWESOME another runner!!!! Welcome and my hats off to you for your accomplishemtns: 5k 10k half and full marathons! mind sharing your time for your best marathon? this is so exciting to have you.

i know what you mean about injury status--as i am recovering from a fall from work and havn't ran sice september and still cannot--now i am having ankle/foot issues since falling. :o

the whole raw transition is interesting--when your body is "cleansing" from receiving optimal nutrients, you'll be expereicning aot of changes. some have ben raw several months and still experience changes in their enrgy and body. Todd has been raw for quite sometime and runs 7-8 miles a day.....if i remember correctly. He has more energy and has reported the his muscle are more "cut." I don't wan to misquote him so if you have specific questions, feel frree to ask!

luv,
linda

[catherinethegreat]

This thread is inspiring me to go for it and start training for something!

I used to run in Highschool - both track and cross country.

then got into a big fat drug habit and that was my marathon! lol.

now - after 17 years sober - I keep wondering - if I've got it in me - to start exercising again.

there was a gal I read about in some magazine who had a husband diagnosed with a horrible disease and while he was going through this deterioration of his old self into someone who needed contant care - she learned to take care of herself by training for a triathlon. She wasn't in it to compete with anyone - just to complete it. It got me completely inspired to try it out. I seem to be an all or nothin type gal - so just starting with ONE type of exercies didn't seem as exciting as doing a triathlon.....and I can barely walk up a flight of stairs at this point.

I walked 5 miles the other day and pulled a groin muscle and was "out" for 2 days. Luckily that has past and I'm really thinking I have it in me to do SOMETHING....I'm very competitive. and would Love to have a goal in mind that will keep me on track.

Right now I have a bike - that I never use - and my feet - which I have to use more now that I don't have a car. I'm going to the YMCA on Tuesday to see if I can get financial assistance while my business is slow - so i can start working out with other people - sonce I spend most days alone. I think this would be a great habit for me to get into.

I know this isn't about marathon running - but who knows - maybe one day I'll post here that I actually am ready to train for some type of race!

Till then - thanks for all the posts - it inspires me to keep tryin.

xoxox
*catherine :)

[flutterfly]

I was 50 when I did my first marathon. Had never walked more than 5 miles at one time before I decided to do it about 3 weeks before the marathon. I completed the full 26.2 miles. Of course I felt like I was going to die when I crossed the finish line but that was only because of giving myself so little time to compete (silly me).
You can do it! :)

[catherinethegreat]

That is incredible!!!!!!

I have no excuses now!!!!

Thanks for the info on your experience....I'm going to go for a walk!

*catherine

[tglasco4]

Wow. Flutterfly, thats amazing. Have you run other marathons since then?

Todd

[flutterfly]

Todd, I don't run, I power walk. If I would run there would have to be a dog with rabies that was bigger than me chasing me lol.

[tglasco4]

Todd, I don't run, I power walk. If I would run there would have to be a dog with rabies that was bigger than me chasing me lol.


:D You are too funny Georgie. :p

Todd

[misslinda]

Georgie Georgie!

I cannot belive that you did not share this accomplishment along time ago with us :eek: wow--that is something to sure proud of as I am inspired and in admiration of you.....so that 's what that photo is---two thumbs up!!!!!

~L

[tglasco4]

I ran 5.5 miles today. I had not run (mostly due to weather) in 7 days. My last run was 7.5 miles and my left knee started to give out at the end. The same thing happened during this run only earlier in the run (like at about3.5-4 miles). I am thinking that I am adding miles faster than my bone structure can prepare to handle it. When I first started about 7 weeks ago, my primary concern was getting winded, but now I am not very winded but I am practically dragging my left leg at the end of the run. I went from zero to 7.5 miles too fast is my suspicion. So, in order to alleviate the leg issues and avoid injury, I am going cut the distance back to 4 miles for about the next 3 or 4 weeks to see if it improves the situation. Has anyone else experienced this?

Peace.

Todd

[SamL]

I like to run, for me it's a spiritual thing. I like to run alone, it's amazing how many thoughts I can process, problems I can solve, conversations I can have with God, by the end of my run I feel confident for the rest of the day.

If I don't start my day's running, there's something missing from them.

I started to track my distance, I bought a heart rate monitor, a good pair of running shoes (Asics are best for my foot, I have a high arch and they seem to fit better) All I kept from this list were my shoes.

It robbed me of my spiritual experience.

Now, I've timed it, my mornings start 40 minutes before the sun rises. I lace up my shoes and start to pound the pavement. I'm alone out there, it's quiet and I start a very slow jog to warm up & wake up, then I pick up a bit of speed, my mind runs with my body and I feel calm with every step/breath, even when my breathing is laboured. The streets aren't flat, I get to experience small victories when I reach the top of another steep hill (great for calves, quads, glutes) and start to run down the other side, building momentum.

I'm usually welcomed home by a chorus of birds excited to see the sun, I can't wait to freshen up under a cold shower, its a feeling of exilleration I can't explain. I use natural soap and hand wash my running clothes so they are soft for my next run. I'm looking at a good day!

I know this thread is about marathon runners, I just love to run! I don't have a real desire to be in a marathon, but I admire those who do. I think anyone can do it with a plan. a little more distance each week so your scheduled to meet your goal.

[Allison]

I love to run alone, too. That was the only thing I was worried about when I ran my first race...how am I going to run with all these people around me?

Todd, my karate instructor is having bad trouble with her knees. The doctor said it is from running. She said if she ever had it to do over again, she would have never run. I told her I was wanting to run a half-marathon, and she said that was fine, as long as I never had problems with my knees, but that if your knees ever start to hurt, don't ever run again. They recommend cycling instead. I'm going to keep at it, even though my knees do bother me sometimes. I'll just watch it. The only thing that concerned me was that she said she never had any trouble until one day her leg just gave out on her, all the way up to her hip. I've actually had that happen to me twice. I do think increasing speed and distance slowly is a big key to not having problems.

Allison

[tglasco4]

Thanks Allison,

I believe I will try to just reduce the mileage and increase the distance slowly.

The best time I ever had running prior to this was 2001. I only did 3 miles a day about 3 or 4 days per week and never had any knee problems. So I will see what happens at 4 miles.

Thanks again friend :) .

Todd

[misslinda]

Oh Saml.........that's one of my biggies--when i talk to God, my mouth literally starts moving and on anumber of occassion i see driver's turn their head---i'm know to have a goofy smile on my face while running!

Allison and Todd here's site i found that gives little tips to prevent injuries......TODD #1 was written personally for YOU :-) and of course anyone who needs helpful tips.

Todd, I have been pushing myself movement wise as per my doctors--I feel by summer i will be running-- and hey FORGET my 6 mm................I'M GOING FOR 5 mm!!!!!!!!! So when is this annual convention so I can do 15miles with you??? :D

http://blessingsforlife.com/fitness/injuries.htm


making the come back,
linda "Hermes" :p

[tglasco4]

Thanks for the site Linda.

It confirmed my suspicions about increasing my mileage to fast. I live in a very hilly area so I have to be extra careful as far as increasing my mileage. I am pretty sure that when I go back down to 4 miles, everything should be fine. Yes, I definitely need running shoes, but as I said before I can afford them right now so the nike basketball shoes will have to do for now. But I since I did some nice biz this week I should be able to buy them in about 3 weeks. I will probably run with the new shoes for a week and then increase my mileage back to 6.3 miles again in week four.

15 miles? whatever....You will probably be doing that without me :p .

Peace.

Todd

[misslinda]

Hey that's not a Toddster answer! :mad:

I did my first lite lite jog (.7 mile)!!!!!!

teasin' you,
linda

[lsmart]

Hi y'all --

I'm glad this thread is still running -- maybe we should change its name to raw runners instead of marathoners, eh?

Todd - injuries with fast increases are not uncommon. I always have gotten injured when my long runs get between 8-12 miles. That's why I've been learning chirunning , since I've been back on the road (after 2 year injury induced layoff). So far, it's working well. Check out www.chirunning.com, I can't recomend it highly enough.

My running has been sporadic after a great December. Blame travel and lots of cold rainy nights. I'm going to run tonight though, sweetie and dog in tow. Yay!

[misslinda]

that's a good point Laura--we dont' want to exclude people who might think they ahve to be a long distance runner to post.

~L

[catherinethegreat]

do any of you feel it's ok to just start jogging slowly to warm up - or do you have a series of warm up stretches you do before hand. I've heard conflicting things about stretching before.....

Thoughts?

*c

[misslinda]

I've heard varying theories too on this......personally it doesn't hurt to get blood flowing first adn then stretching.

Hey Catherine,
Personally, I rarely stretched--if I did stretch, always ran first for the first mile and stopped and stretch or whenever I felt the blood flow circulate.

Quite honestly, I never had knee problems or any of the injuires that are known to runners...........if anything I usually keep a few points in mind:

proper running shoes
well cushioned socks
hydrate
posture & breathing
light weight training
recovery time
and I like the Chi running that Laura mentioned--it truly makes sense


**it would be interesting to see how RAW runners relate to these "injuries" that SAD usually endure--when I heal, I would love to challenge the idea.

Catherine, what is your approach right now?

luv,
linda

[catherinethegreat]

my approach is to sleep in - roloe out of bed - head to the computer and sit here almost all day and read about other people who run....then plan to run the next day - and

repeat.

LOL!

I haven't done any running since High school.

I did Bikram yoga for about 6 weeks....6 times per day. Loved it - but ran out of money to fund that one - it's expensive for me.

Running is cheap after you get the right shoes.

I have asics but I'm not sure they are running shoes.....?

I have arches that were made for me from a foot doc, after being told I have neuroma in my toes and fallen arches and heel spirs.

I was told to NEVER be barefoot - and to always were the arches in all shoes and if it didn't work the next step was surgery on my feet!

Luckily it worked.

But every now and again I get the neuroma in the toes and boy is it painful....so I'm a little concerned about starting to run again - I would hate that to happen....

BUT - I could just jog very slowily. I remember during cross country meets - I would help anyone - on any team who was crying and walking - during a race - I would jog next to them and say - you can do it - you can run as slow as you walk - and I'd go along with them until they felt better. SO I know I can just jog VERy slowly and see how it goes.

I'm an all or nothin type gal so this will be interesting.

ok - you hear it from me here:

tomorrow morning - I'm waking up at 7:30am and I'm going to go out and jog for about 1/2 hour.

there it is

a commitment.

YIKES

*c

[misslinda]

I'm with you on that---yes for the sake of your feet, be careful! I even race walk too --that I enjoy and probably will perfect once I get into the post injury status.

I love cycling can't wait--I want to do that next!!!!!!

7:30 am aye???? alright, i'll be peeking out my window. :cool:

~L

[catherinethegreat]

it's 12:38am and did I say I would be getting up at 7:30am???

oy

can I change that????

lol

Yea - I actually get jealous when i see those guys and gals bicycling as a team on the weekends - you can tell they are a part of some team because they wear the REAL gear....and have the state of the art bicycles.

I'd love to do a spinning class at the Y or something like that.

Maybe I'll invest in the Y after my huge yard sale Sunday!

My neighborhood....isn't a nice one really. It's not one that I would ride a bike in as the traffic is hairy. and jogging is the only thing I can really see myself doing around here. But I could spin at the Y!!!

That sounds like fun fun fun!

ok - so tomorrow I will go jogging at an unspecified time....see how I change that!?!?

hahaha

[misslinda]

not 7:30........then WHEN???? :D

hey why not start off whith fast walking--let your feet get a change to feel the speed without pounding since you had previous concerns.

i know, one of my buddies is part f a local team and i get so jealous thinking, "why can't i do that!" so this year i'm going to get my first road bike and stuff! i wan't i wan't i wan't :(


~L

[lsmart]

I agree with misslinda -- it's good to have a plan B when you can't make your planned exercise time. Go out this afternoon/evening -- you can do it!

My "run" yesterday went well. After 10 minutes warming up by walking, I ran one minute on/one minute off for almost 3 miles. All in all it was about 40 minutes worth of exercise. Felt awesome (except for the dog pulling too hard on his harness...he loves to run faster than me).

[catherinethegreat]

ok - didn't run this morning - and what is so interesting is that I woke up after dreaming that I was jogging up my parents street where I grew up.

Hmmm- Now it's in my dreams that I'm running.

I think you are right that if I don't make it in the morning I can have a plan B and C and D!

Right now I'm going to run some errands since I have Jerry's car - and when I get home I"m going to plan my jog/walk! Maybe it's right in the neighborhood - and maybe - since I have the car - I can drive to the rose boawl and walk around that. It's 3 miles around it which would be a good way to see my distance.

*c

[misslinda]

I love your thinking Catherine----your so clear headed something I am working on these days!

That's interesting about your dream--sounds like an impression? BTW, where is the place you were dreaming of I mean like city ?

that's an awesome idea to walk around the rose bowl--makes it funner hat way and not as long!

I'll plan with you--tomorrow I will do a brisk walk since that is a challenge for me these day--rather than stay home.

running buddy,
linda :p

[catherinethegreat]

thanks for stopping by my journal today Linda! So nice of you!!!!

So I never did go anywhere to exercise - you know what I did instead?

i went to the YMCA and got myself a membership.

I can take the bus directly there every day and do some type of exercise - even if it's slow. They have spinning classes Monday - wed. and Friday - and after writing here that I really wanted to bike - I thought - why not give myself the opportunity to meet others - or be around others - and create a habit of going somewhere everyday to work the body??

So I did that. I've wanted to for YEARS!!!

so tomorrow when My boyfriend goes out in the morning for his activity - I can

A. go with him and walk over to the rose bowl

B. Go to the Y

c. Stay home and clean up the huge mess I made in the house

hmmm

lots of choices.

I'm ready to break through my habits of doing nothing.

xoxoxo

*c

[misslinda]

((((((raising hand))))) I choose A....that would be fun but then again, would safety be an issue there????

Gyms are nice b/c you have a vareity of stuff you can do if you like to have more than one type of activity.


drum roll,
linda :confused:

[catherinethegreat]

I choose - to clean up the house while he is out.

I am going to start my gym habit Monday!

Really!

[Allison]

Well, another one of those "I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it myself" moments. I was thinking that raw was decreasing my ability to run, as I haven't been able to do my long runs for a while. Todd was claiming it was detox, but I was skeptical. Finally, though, I was able to do 8.5 miles, and I felt great. I felt like I could have run longer, but my knee started bothering me, so I didn't want to make it worse. I'm relieved that my energy came back, because I was starting to get worried about being able to do that half-marathon. I don't care about how fast, just that I finish!

Allison

[tglasco4]

Allison....Alright now!...Congrats! Thats great. I know exactly where you are, dont do too much like I did. I haven't run in a week. Its zero degrees here today, but I am dressed and ready for 4 miles.......Hopefully by the time I finished working on our water heater it will have at least reached 10 degrees

[lsmart]

so tomorrow when My boyfriend goes out in the morning for his activity - I can

A. go with him and walk over to the rose bowl
*c

CatherinetheGreat, you can walk to the Rose Bowl? Awesome. I walk/run there all the time. I live fairly close myself, about 3 miles. Back in my pre-injury days I used to run from home to the bowl, do a 3 mile lap, then run back home. Let me tell you those hills in the Arroyo Seco kick my butt!

I've been bugging people to come out and run with me with little success. I'd love workout partners -- you're welcome to join me anytime. I've committed to a minimum of three runs a week. Tuesdays and Thursdays at 6:30ish and Saturday or Sunday afternoon. I'm still in the raw (heh, I said raw. hee hee) beginner stage alternating walking and running.

To everybody else -- keep it up! I went out again myself yesterday for about an hour and did a fartlek workout. Twas hot (pushing 80 degrees). Todd, I envy your sub-freezing weather. Honest! You can always add more layers but when it's hot and humid you have to suck it up.

[tglasco4]

LSmart, you are correct. I would rather run in colder weather than hot. Today I had a TERRIFIC 4 mile run. It was about 10 degrees but there was no wind and it was sunny. At about 2.5 miles I had to take off my gloves because my hands were hot. I am hoping that by running consistently, my body will adapt with the seasons and I will be able to run during the summer months with no problems.

Peace.

Todd

[lsmart]

Todd, you're right about adapting to the seasons. That 80 degree one was the first warmish day for awhile. We're technically in the rainy season here in Socal (or should I call it mudslide season?). Fortunately the weather is returning to it's normal range.

Now, when it gets up to the 100s, I still do my running. I find it takes about 3 days to adjust. The only big thing is making sure to wear a hat, to take in tons and tons (and tons!) of water, and to watch for the signs of heat stroke.

[tglasco4]

Lsmart, I tell the truth, I would not mind running on a beach in a warm sunny place (like puerto rico) right now!!

My mom lives in SoCal, she says its been a strange winter there so far.

[tglasco4]

Great run today! No knee pain at all! I did the right thing by cutting back on the miles. But to tell the truth, I can't wait to get back to 6 miles again, I loved that distance. Alas, it will have to wait for a few weeks.

[tglasco4]

:confused: Where are all my running buddies? Is it getting too cold?

[lsmart]

:confused: Where are all my running buddies? Is it getting too cold?

Nope. I'm just very busy right now and don't have much time for the forums. I last ran on 1/29. And I'm antsy to get right back to it. Unfortunately it has to wait until tomorrow due to my schedule. It's a pity we can't do everything, eh?

[tglasco4]

Glad to hear you are alive and running Lsmart! Cool, I ran on Sunday and Tuesday. Today is Thursday and I am planning on going out today. The weather has been better than one could reasonably expect for a New Hampshire February. I am itching to do more than 4 miles but am sticking to my plan.....for now....LOL.

Peace.

[Allison]

I'm here, too, but must have been going through another detox, as I have been very tired the past few days. I'm feeling better now, though, so hopefully I will run. I really need to get some long runs in again.

[tglasco4]

Ok, great Allison. Yes, detox comes with the territory for awhile. But you will have a great run very soon!

Peace.

Todd

[misslinda]

Todd and Allison,

I'm beginning to think you are the only two exercising here let alone running! Best wishees in your continued running during the winter months! :)

luv,
Linda

[tglasco4]

A while ago, Lsmart suggested that when the weather is bad to run the stairs. I thought that sounded like something to try. Well, today it was a blizzard out so I ran them for 25 minutes. The goal was either to do it for half and hour or 100 roundtrips whichever came first. Well, the 100 round trips came first, all I have to say is.....WHAT A WORKOUT!! I am just hoping I am not sore so that I can't run tomorrow. That was great! Thanks Lsmart!! I have a 2 story house so the roundtrips really worked my legs well. I of course I looked pretty funny to my kids, but hey what can I do :p . I would recommend it to people who live where bad weather would stop you from getting out.

Peace.

Todd

[rawfitness]

Just wanted to let you know that I found a website out there on raw food runners. It was put together by someone in the UK I think its rawrunner.co.uk
Anyway, its a great perspective for raw food runners.

I've been running a lot more lately even with the cold weather here in NYC but...its been good, I've found that I'm getting over my raw food coldness and the outside cold air has been quite refreshing...

[tglasco4]

Hiya Rawfitness and welcome! I will check into that site, it sounds interesting. I have also been running this winter (whenever the roads permit) and have found it very refreshing. The air is much cleaner this time of year. I especially enjoy it when the sun is shining, it seems to bring energy to me.

Peace.

Todd

[lsmart]

hi Todd - glad the stair suggestion worked out so well for you. i think i'll take my own advice and start doing some climbing at work during my lunch hours (i work on the 5th floor -- that ought to get my heart rate up!).

[tglasco4]

hi Todd - glad the stair suggestion worked out so well for you. i think i'll take my own advice and start doing some climbing at work during my lunch hours (i work on the 5th floor -- that ought to get my heart rate up!).

Yes, thanks for the suggestion lsmart. It was a really good workout. I want to use it when I cannot get outside for sure.

Whoa! The 5th floor? Do that up and down for 15 minutes and you will know you had a workout! Of course you will also need a shower. :D

Peace.

Todd

[tglasco4]

I am so glad I got the new running shoes. I tried them out for the first time today. It was great! I really felt the difference on my feet and knees today. Thanks MissLinda!!

[tglasco4]

Eureka! Finally shoes that don't kill my toes! I had a very nice 6 mile run yesterday. No real knee pain to report. It was about 15 degrees but the sun was out and although there was a headwind it was nice. The hills felt a little easier and more importantly, no pain coming down hill. New Balance cross training shoes are what I will stay with at least until the summer.

[Ariella]

hi I was just wondering for those of you that have had babies and then trained for a marathon how long did it take you? I was a runner for several years, but then had a problematic pregnancy last year which I stopped running during that and didn't start again afterwards as I wanted to give my body time to heal from teh miscarriage and then I got pregnant again. So I have been careful with this pregnancy although I generally workout a couple of hours a day with pilates, spinning classes, ellyptical trainer, weight training, dancing and walking. I want to start running again as soon as I can get a clear from the midwife after this baby is born. I am high raw now and my goal is to be all raw by the end of the year. oh prior to the miscarriage last year I was doing anywhere between 3 to 15 mile runs 6 days per week. It seems to come pretty naturally and I sure miss that runners high. That was my favorite part of running! Anyway, the baby is due in june and there is a marathon in october that I would like to do. Think it is possible?? After the baby is born I am going to work with a personal trainer at the ladies gym I go to about a intense work out program and more intense weight training.

Any thoughts?? reading all your guys entries on running is sure making me want to go out on a run!!! not to much longer though only a few months and I will be able to join you all too :)

Ariella

[tglasco4]

Hi Ariella and Welcome!!

You had been running 6 days per week? wow. I have been tentative about going more than 3x per week for fear of injury. Perhaps I will be able to increase after I have been running for 6 months to a year. As far as training for a marathon, I have never run one, so I couldn't give any sound advice. But since you are high raw and heading towards raw, plus you are working out consistently, you probably will bounce back fairly quickly from the pregnancy and child birth.

I am glad you have joined us.

Peace and Blessings to you and your family.

Todd

[cmtangela]

Hi Allison

I'm on day five of being raw and I'm also training for a marathon in the middle of June. Today I ran about eight miles, and was able to keep up with my group (they train for a 4:10 marathon). I'm 46 years old. I was able to keep up the first 5 miles, and then started dropping back. They may be just a bit too fast for me though.

I'd love to hear how you're managing.

Angel

[tglasco4]

Ok, now that its springtime, I am looking to step up my mileage alittle. I want my body to be conditioned to the hot weather to come. I have been running a consistent 6 miles 3x per week for about 3 weeks now. I figure one more week and hopefully starting next sunday I will go up to between 7-8 miles. I hope all of you are progressing also!

Peace.

Todd

[lsmart]

My foot is healed, so I'm starting up again this week.

[tglasco4]

My foot is healed, so I'm starting up again this week.


Hey thats great news lsmart!! So glad to hear you will be back on the road.

Watch out for those heavy objects ;)

Peace

Todd

[tglasco4]

Doing 8 miles now.......no problem at all.....I did it Friday and Sunday....today I did 6 miles just as a precaution and I plan on doing 8 again on this Friday. I'll stay at this distance for at least 3 weeks before stepping up to 10 miles. But this is really going great so far.

Peace.

Todd

[carolg]

My friend is hiking a marathon a day...www.rawhike.com
click enter site
click downloads
click wild oats

That's recent flyer for CO kickoff events next week.

The hike will be totally raw, vegan, plant based, 3,000 miles...anyone can volunteer to help....check the main site then....I personally know Doug Walsh, but still we are all working as a great team of volunteers. The hike begins Earth Day, 4/22.

Hope this helps.
carol...............

[tglasco4]

Hiking 3000 miles?!?!? From where to where? What cause is being supported? Sounds cool.

Peace.

[lsmart]

Thought I'd let all my fellow raw runners know that I'm sticking to my come-back. Last week I ran 3 times. I'm up to 3 minute stretches of running. I also joined a new running group that gathers every Saturday morning. I'm with the preconditioning sub-group. It's keeping me motivated. Now, I just need to work on the food thing <grin>

Laura

[misslinda]

Great to see you guys (gals) keeping up with the running! I have been progressing positively in my swimming pool therapy--I can tolerate tai chi in the water and 3x 5 min walks. I'm excited to get back into running and meet you all at the end!!! :p

Laura: Good to see you around--haven't heard from you on here lately

Todd: You really increased those miles--big time

[lsmart]

Hi Linda - Good to see you too. Tai-chi in the pool? Did you get injured? Sorry I haven't been keeping track.

I'm now running 3 miles of 4 min. runs/ 2 min. walks. I even convinced my partner and daughter to join me tonight. M_ and I will run and the little one will ride her bike.

Laura

[misslinda]

Laura!! Hey----eah, I've got injuries from neck down to my ankles. I've been doing swimming pool therapy and finally getting range of motion in my neck and back. The process is painful but I have to do it.

did you know The author of CHI RUNNING is writing a second book called CHI WALKING? I thought of you when I came across it----I've applied some of the basic prinicples in my pool walking. I'll be getting orthotics so I should feel less pain walking on land.

Groovy, getting the whole family running! I'm still persuading my sis into it. Boy, I can't wait to "hit the wall" again!" :cool:

I'm probably getting ahead of myself but I'm already shopping for new shoes and gear---anything new and exciting you come across for gear?

Greeting to you too Todd--when do you "hit the wall" now?

[tglasco4]

[COLOR=Blue]Greeting to you too Todd--when do you "hit the wall" now?

LOL.......Hi Linda,

I am not caught up on all the runners' "lingo". I am thinking "hit the wall" is a point where one feels a sense of fatigue before the second wind kicks in. But I am guessing there. That happens to me at between 3 and 4 miles now. After that I get this second wind and when I am running the last mile or so I feel like I am just getting started. Last Friday I was in Minny visiting my son and his family. He is 25 yrs old and wanted to jog with me. He lasted a little over a mile of our 8 mile course. Then he walked back. As I got to the last quarter mile of the run I was sprinting. He had got in his car to see where I was on the route and had just pulled onto the street and saw me. He said he couldn't believe I had done 8 miles and was running so fast at the end. Funny thing is at about 4 miles I felt like stopping, but that is normal for me. So I hope I answered the "hit the wall" question... :p

Peace.

Todd

[misslinda]

LOL backatcha Todd!

Perfectly.....that's is too funny---I can't believe he actually drove back to see where you were! :p Sounds like my sis but it would have been after 5 minutes of running,if that (literaly)!!!

Way to go Speedy! :p

[Rawism]

I am considering running the Marine Corps marathon in October. When the distance becomes greater (i.e. 10 miles) what do you suggest I carry for fuel/energy?

The training program provides pretzels, candies, and gatorade but I desire to do this marathon 100% raw. Any suggestions?

[tglasco4]

Having never run a marathon I am probably not a good candidate for advice. Is the run 10 miles or 26 miles? You probably don't need anything for a 10 miler, but 26 miles? I have heard another journaler say she uses a date juice. But like I said, I am not the best one for advice on this since I have not run over 8 miles yet.

Peace.

Todd

[Rawism]

A marathon is 26.2 miles.

I have run one before but this was pre-raw. I know I can do 10 miles without feeling like I am wiped out, but when the runs start getting longer, my energy sometimes gets low.

Besides date juice, does any one else have any suggestions as for energy food (while running)?

[misslinda]

Heather Babe!

Hey, good to see you here. Sorry it took me so long to responde to your post---I went back b/c I recalled another member posting a site: rawrunner.co.uk that is all about raw food diet and runners. I hope this is helpful. When I went raw I was in injury status so I cannot tell you what it is like running as a raw foodist.

How exciting, I want to hear all about it Heather! :)

[growinhealth]

does anyone know how to get started training for a marathon? I want to start so I can run one this year...it is a goal along with being raw. Anyway any websites or info would be great thanks!

[misslinda]

Welcome Growinhealth!

TO "RAWRUNNER"S LAND.' Are you already a long distance runner or simply a runner who is looking for tips and advice on preparing for a marathon OR new to running all together?

Some of the first and most importand tips that I'm sure we'll all agree on is:


Proper running shoes
socks
Proper posture and breathing


Can you give us an idea of how much you currently run (if so) and how far you are into raw. Todd has been raw for quite some time and runs approx 10 miles at a time. Allison has done a marathon and I believe she was high raw but I'll leave taht to them so I don't put out any misinformation. Lara??? I can't rememeber if she runs marathons.

Myself, I was high raw when I was running long distances 10-15 miles a day or 60 miles a week before I hurt my neck and back. Currently i'm in injury status so I don't have any current information.


Come to think of it, the post above has a webiste www.rawrunner.uk/ something to that effect......please check the post above or two. Talks about a raw marathon runner and the raw diet.

Glad you came by.......nothing like running!!!

"Your best friend is a pair of good shoes--that's all you need!"

:)

[growinhealth]

miss linda, thanks for replying to my post. I am really new to raw, I do it probably 50/50 right now but I am planning (tomorrow it's gotta be tomorrow) to start 100% it is hard right now because I am in school and all the food on campus is toxic...and i hate that I fall prey to it. Anyway so I am getting started on that, right now I run about 3 to 4 miles three or four days a week if I am lucky...this summer I want to build up my stamina and my runs. Got any advice on which type of shoe is good, mine are alright but my feet and ankles hurt real bad. Anyway thanks for the link I will check it out when I get a sec! have a great day!

[misslinda]

Hey collegiate gal (growinhealth)!!!


This is a suggestion but have you considered orthotics? The only reason I'm getting them is b/c of my back and neck hip injuries. I was distrught that i had to wear them :( but the practioner told me that alot of his runners wear them b/c the provide individualized support unlike shoes that are based on a standard foot or model.

Some footwear/orthotic stores will do custom fits w/o a doctor's referral. Consdiering you have current pain, it may be worth looking into to see if it helps rather than further your pain --and then not be able to run.

Personally my feet like Nike airmax or Addidas response. NB is a no no for me. Asics feel to soft for my foot but then again I'll have to retry the models after I get my orthotics. Although alot of runners like asics. Takes me at least a year to find a shoe I like........try them all on and don't be embarrassed about running in the store with them on :)

I also crosstrain in trail shoes b/c I used to run hills, different terrains. IMO, it's good to have 2 or 3 pairs you switch to give your feet/arch andpads the ability to replenish.

Reminder: cut toe nails and pumastone calices (sp)---my downfalls.

What do you currently wear?

talk to ya soon! :)

[misslinda]

Hey my fellow running buddies!

I checked out that site www.rawrunner.co.uk It's slowly growing but I went ahead and posted some specific questions related to raw and running in his forum. ;)

[misslinda]

RUNNERS!!!!!

WHERE ARE YOU? WHERE ARE YOU? where are you??? ((((((voice echos)))))

[tglasco4]

Ok...doing 8 miles regularly now..I thought I would be at 10 miles but I am going as my body dictates....I hope to be doing at least 10 miles by early June. Feel great btw....not thinking about getting into any races though. Running and raw seem like they go together nicely:)

[ANIMLOVER]

I run marathons
I ran Boston this year!!
Qualified on my first try!

2 marathons
2 halfs
a 30k
a few 10 and 5's
I have a 15k this weekend!

I also Love blading and biking!

Here's a great web site -

www.rawrunner.com

Not alot of activity, but with some interest it could be good...

[Curleedst]

That sounds wonderful. I plan on running or at least starting with a 5K and hopefully can get up to a 1/2 marathon. Hearing this makes it seem so doable. I am also flirting w/ the idea of going at least 50% raw.



I have ran a marathon but this wasn't while being raw. However, I did run a 1/2 marathon while being raw and the major difference for me was no cramps.

While running, I tend to get side cramps during my first mile or so. I have had this since high school. I always thought it was my breathing, but after running a 1/2 marathon while raw, I realized it was my food that my body was still trying to digest while I was running. Weird, eh?

I didn't notice any more fatigue than expected. And I felt great afterwards. I even lost 5-6 lbs that week of my 1/2 marathon.

Hmmm...I think I will train for another marathon. :)

[sailaway]

Allison
Did you do your marathon? How did it go? I used to do the LA marathon every year until my health started to go south. I have not done one since 1998. The month of Feb '98 I gained 30 pounds as my Thyroid stopped working, followed by Fibromyalgia and all the other things that our bodies do when we are TOXIC! As I continued to get worse and gain wt. I was unable to do even 5 miles. After going Raw I feel so much better I have my sights set on the LA marathon this March '06! Since starting raw in March I have lost 43 of the 81 pounds I packed on. But I am concerned about the long term stamina for a marathon. My first marathon (I did finish) but I crashed so hard after that I was in bed for days. It was very painful and I don't want to do that again. :o

[sailaway]

Animlover
What did you eat for strength and to get past the 18 mile "wall"? Did your body have a lot of pain the next day? My fisrt marathon the pain was so bad the following day a bed sheet touching me was horrible, every part of my body felt like I had not only hit the wall but had the wall fall on me. Thank goodness it only happened the first time. But I have not done a marathon since '98 and I feel so good Raw that I am planning to do LA in '06

[tglasco4]

10 Miles Today! Yippie!

[ANIMLOVER]

I was about 60% raw when I ran the marathon.
My first I crashed intot he wall at around 32k.
My running coach ran me in 0 he literally resurected me!
I died, my lega and feet were concrete - what a weird feeling!!
But I qualified for Boston!
I ran it this year in April - it was great - again, I was about 60-70% raw - It was a totally different experience! I didn't feel thw wall, Or I was better equipped to hop it. I tell ya, it's all a mind game. With on marathon under my belt, I knew what it took mentally - thank's to my coach!
My fuel during the race were these raw bars called Perfect 10. They are made in Canada and have 10 nuts/seeds/fruit/veggies in them.
But the morning of the day B4 the race I had a HUGE cooked meal of Home fries, eggs, french toast, coffee, THE WORKS! I had about 3 plates worth. HUGE plates too!
So I've never run a marathon high raw.
I plan on doing another in September. I plan on going high raw this month after I do the Master cleanse

I'll let you know, Or you can let me know!!

I'm sorry but the last time I checked I wasn't in church.

[valleyskye]

My husband is training for the Pikes Peak Ascent. We live in Colorado. It is a major altitude climb~ From 6,300 feet to 14,050 feet.It is 14.3 miles. He has incorporated quite a bit of RAW into his diet, but he doe snot believe you can run such long distances on RAW food alone and keep up your endurance. The protein thing is a huge factor for him becuse he used to be a bodybuilder. What is your experience with this? Has anyone had any problems or tried to transition while training? Or is it better to try this at another time? I am wondering if it wouldn't help his energy levels.

[CaptainSwab]

I have ran 4 marathons in the past few years.

My next one will be Las Vegas in December 2005.

I have been a L-O veggie for 7 years but the raw foods lifestyle is very interesting to me now and I am adding more and more raw food into my diet.

Has anybody here gone from eating cooked food to raw foods in between marathon training? How did this affect you? I keep reading post after post from people saying they have done fine but I still have worries.

What kinds of foods do you find work best after a long run, say 18-20 miles?

Thanks in advance. :) I'm glad they have this forum (this thread especially) to ask questions in.

[Buckley]

I have done a couple of marathons and triathlons (not raw), but now that I am raw -- I am having difficulties trying to find the right things to eat and drink along the way. I have taken along honey (instead of the regular GU packets I was consuming), but has anyone found a great replacement for Gatorade? I know that I end up losing a lot of salt, and other stuff, when I am biking and running, and just haven't found anything comparable.

Suggestions?

[tglasco4]

Having never run over 10 miles, I really cannot give a good suggestion to either CaptainSwab or Buckley. I am now planning to run a marathon myself so I will need to know the same information. With me, I know it will be trial and error. So if anyone has any raw suggestions for the questions posed, I also would be interested.

Peace.

Todd

[misslinda]

Toddster !!!! Wow you've come along way and like I have always said "You're an inspiration."

Well I have exciting news as well......I can walk 3x a day for 15-20 minutes. Far from the 10-15 minutes a day period.


To all you new rabies here in this thread "Hello and nice to meet you!"



:)

[ultra]

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Buckley, have you tried Ultima? It's a powder that is sweetened with Stevia. Here is the website: http://www.ultimareplenisher.com. It has all the electorlytes but none of the sugar that Gatorade has. Because it's a powder I'm sure it has been heated, but don't know the particulars. I do know that it has 100% of the RDA for B12, so that's an added bonus.

When I race I carry the packets and put them in my water bottle at the water stops. Works like a charm.

As for food on a long run, I carry figs and dates. And, I lucked out in finding a woman who sells raw honey sticks at a Farmer's Market here in the Chicago area, so I'm using those, too. I know a lot of rawies don't do honey, but if it fits into your eating plan, go for it. I also eat Larabars (http://www.larabar.com) in lieu of the Cliff Bars I used to eat. They are raw.

I've done 7 marathons and 1 ultra, but all as a cooked vegetarian. I'm 6 months 100 % raw and feeling strong, currently training for a fall marathon. To date the longest I've gone raw is 12.5 miles, so when I start getting up into the higher double digit mileage I'll be better able to tell how raw eating is going to affect my endurance. Bring on the 16 to 20 milers!

Good Luck. Run strong.

~ultra

[tglasco4]

Hi Ultra,

Thanks for that information. I figured I could use Dates and Figs. I am looking forward to hearing how your marathon does. I would like to run one in 2006 (it would be my first).


undefined

......I've done 7 marathons and 1 ultra, but all as a cooked vegetarian. I'm 6 months 100 % raw and feeling strong, currently training for a fall marathon. To date the longest I've gone raw is 12.5 miles, so when I start getting up into the higher double digit mileage I'll be better able to tell how raw eating is going to affect my endurance. Bring on the 16 to 20 milers!

Good Luck. Run strong.

~ultra

Thanks again :)

[Buckley]

Yes -- thanks so much for the reply! I certianly will try Ultima! I just finished the Lifetime Fitness Triathlon in 90 degree plus heat .... and I thought I was going to pass out! I took honey with my on the bike and run, but didn't have any salt tablets or anything like Ultima. They were handing out Poweraide at the water stops, but I didn't really want to ruin my raw state --- although, in retrospect, I probably should have given in and felt much better at the end of the race. I am doing another tri in August and will start training with the dates, figs and Ultima. Again -- I am not so worried about my calorie consumption -- it is the salt and other nutrients I lose from the races. I need to go to the hospital after finishing an ironman distance tri (not raw), but because I didn't have enough potassium (at least that is what they told me) in my system. No worries about that now --- but the sodium depletion is a worry for me.

I will let you know how the next race goes!!

Buckley

[doya]

hey all, I have stumbled here and have been enjoying reading your thoughts. I enjoy running myself and have been playing with a raw diet. Although I do not imagine I will ever go higher then about 80% raw just due to social situations but who knows. One of the things that troubles me is trying to carry all the raw food you would need for a really long run. So when I am going to be out all day I revert back to my old ways of chocolate, powerbars, donuts and lollies. It is funny I love dates normally but can not stomach them on a run. Actually if I did not have a carrying problem I would happily do my runs eating bananas, tomatoes and avocados.

I read above someone wanting to know the best food after a run I would definitely say bananas.

[doya]

I thought this quote from an interview with Scott Jurek was very relevant to this topic. Anyone unfamiliar with him he is vegan and has just won the Western States 100 Mile for the 7th time and beat the course record at Badwater 135 Mile I think 2 weeks after the Western States. Anyway on with the quote.

"I run an average of about 120 miles per week on trails with lots of elevation. When I’m getting ready for a race I do some weekend intensives like running up and down Mt. Si, three times as fast as possible. This gives me over 12,000 ft. of vertical gain in the course of 24 miles, it’s very convenient. Then I’ll run a 35 mile trail run with 10,000 ft. of elevation the next day. This helps to simulate the impact of a 100 mile race on my body. In terms of diet I just try to eat as much wholesome nutritious food as feels right. I love to prepare food and I love to eat. I don’t count my calories, but I have before, and I know I’m getting between 5000 and 8000 calories per day. My favorite foods are greens, especially dinosaur kale which I eat raw in my salads. Lately, I’ve been incorporating a lot more raw, unadulterated, fruits and vegetables into my diet which feels really great."

cheers


tim

[misslinda]

TODD, ALLISON LAURA !!!!!!!!!!!!!


i'm up to SLOW 3 miles a day now with stops in between but that's a long way from not being able to run at all......starting strengthening with my PT slowly but surely..............what's new in the RUNNER"S corner????


Any of you tried the new Adidas with the microchip?


;) :) :p :D :rolleyes:

[misslinda]

i'M SO PROUD OF MYSELF TODAY ! DID 4 MILES EARLY THIS THANKSGIVING MORNING..........ENOJYED WATCHING A BUNCH OF MEN PLAYING FLAG FOOTBALL............PLAYED FRISBEE FETCH WITH A KIND GENTLEMEN'S DOG AND SOAKED SOME SUNSHINE. :)

[kmik]

Go Miss Linda!!! Great job! I only did three miles, but it was in 15 degree weather, with 30 mph winds... so I think I should get credit for 10 ;)

And I didn't have any fun distractions... other than pulling my scarf up over my nose to warm it, then back down so I could breathe :(

[misslinda]

^5 KMIK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE DID IT :) :) 15 DEGREES---THAT'S COLD..............WHERE YA FROM?


YEAH, THAT FLAG FOOTBALL GAME WAS A DISTRACTION CUZ ONE OF THEM DROVE A BMW 745 LI---I COULDN'T FIGURE WHICH ONE DID.............THEY PLAYED TOO LONG. :p

HOW OFTEN DO YOU RUN? FAVORITE RUNNING SHOES?

[kmik]

Chicago... where it'll be 50 on Sunday! Go figure. We get all the seasons here... and often all in one week!

I only run twice a week. I don't want to over do it (???) cuz I used to have hip problems... but then again, Sunday's my long run day, and I did seven miles with 4 short walk breaks last Sunday. But I'm able to keep increasing because of all the other things I do during the week. I'm planning on a half marathon in March, and the Chicago marathon next October... so I've gotta keep upping that milage :)

Saucony is my favorite. I've got some Mizuno's that I like too. I can't wait till I get up to the kind of milage where I can justify a large collection of running shoes ;)

[tglasco4]

I am staying at 8 miles because I have started running with handweights. What a workout! I am now running with a pair of 2lb handweights. I plan on maxing out at 3lb hand weights. So I will stay the mileage for awhile.

LINDA! It is soooo good to hear that you are FINALLY able to start running again. Congratulations! You are doing great having to run 3 and 4 miles already. Maybe next summer we can do that 15 mile run together...:)

Peace.

Todd

[misslinda]

TODDSTER my good friend :) ..............missed ya !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yes! I have come along way and I keep pushing myself to get to the next level. :cool:

WOW............running with weights, that's interesting. What do you find beneficial of using weights while running? Eight miles with weights is pretty incredible. I'm so glad to hear ya running still----I promise a 15 mile run........................when are we going to have that national convention?????

Allison are you still out there? Haven't seen Lsmart (Larua) either.

Kmik, what happened to your hips? accident?

:p :D :) ;)

[tglasco4]

Linda,

Actually running with the weights is an experiment I am trying. So far I have found that my body gets an overall toning workout from it. My muscles are being sculpted nicely. My legs are really getting alot stronger from it also. Its great but I suspect the key is not to run with weights that are too heavy. I haven't done that yet but I am being careful. Once you are doing over 5 miles consistently, you may want to try a 3 miler with half pound or one pound hand weights and see for yourself.

About the convention. I don't know, all the peeps that were here last year seem to have disappeared and we have alot of new peeps. But both you and Rawkinlocs live in Washington state. Maybe we can have a mini-convention....lol

Todd

[Dot Brookes]

Hi Miss Linda & Todd

I'm a newbie to this site and likewise to the raw food concept.

I'm a vegetarian on her way to becoming vegan and I used to think that raw fooders were extremists taking it too far - however the more I read and research the more sense it all makes.

Well...I'm a long way from being close to where you guys are as per diet so I feel like a bit of a fake but I know if I want to get there the support, experience and information I can get from others is invaluable.

My goal is to be at least 50 - 60 % raw by this time next year a lowly goal but slow and steady does it is my motto.......

EXCEPT when I'm running LOL which is why I've been reading your progress with much fascination - Todd - from someone who saw running as a necessary evil and didn't "get" the runners high you sure are on a roll :)

Myself - well I've just got over a lil injury - my first in over 4 years of running. ALOT of running. I know why I got injured - too much too soon and I won't make that mistake again.

I'm looking forward to seeing how I fare with more raw food in my diet - so far the furthest I run is half marathons but I want to build up to a marathon in the next year. And, eventually for either my 35th or 40th birthday - the Comrades Marathon !

yes, yes, I am an addict :p I get my first buzz anything from 5 - 20 minutes into my run and depending on various factors - the course, the distance, the heat, my fitness levels - I pretty much stay on that high with one or two dips into reality - where I notice that I'm actually working at keeping my body moving forward.

Anyways - as you may have noticed I can "talk" a great deal sometimes. I am 33 years young and stay in Cape Town South Africa - one of the most beautiful cities in the world with lots of races and fellow runners (tho not enough organic and vegan stores for my liking)

and, Miss Linda I'm a Scorpio - yourself? Like Todd I don't believe a human can be summed up by the month in which he / she was born but, I do find that together with other factors such as where they come from, their upbringing, education and spiritual orientation it does give a general indication of certain tendencies or characterisitics. Not a 100% but enough to sometimes be a bit eerie. Not that weird I suppose if one realises that one is far more subject to influences from the planets than we might realise - look at the menses for instance and how it is affected by the moon, likewise the tides.

Oh well, before I bore you all to death and / or scare you with all my wacko mumbo jumbo let me sign off

Seeja

Dot

[tglasco4]

Hi Dot,

Welcome aboard! Its great to have someone who is raw-interested and into running also. Yes, I have come to really enjoy running now. I am careful not to overdo it for fear of injury. I had to learn that the hard way as I suspect you did also...lol 50-60% would be great. I offer one suggestion...try to make just one of your meals 100% raw each day. For example, if you eat 3 meals per day..make the first one all fruit and/or fruit smoothies. Then make the rest 50/50, eating the raw food first in the process. This will aid you in the digestive process as well as putting a nice amount of living food into your system. But its just a suggestion, in the end, you must do as you feel comfortable.

Peace and again, Welcome:)

Todd

[misslinda]

Seeja !X!X!X!


first of all, WELCOME and awesome to have you here. I must say for starters, I am totally crazy about your singer/songwriter Nianell in South Africa "We'll find a way". Can you belive it? I made my first purchase from South Africa and was entertained on having to convert USD to Rand :p the CD is only available thru south Africa. By any chance have you heard of this artist???


Oh my, you really took the time to read the thread......your words brought back memories about the whole "hitting the wall" thingy! I too am amazed by Todd's consistent progression in running b/c when we started this thread, Todd wasn't a fan of running...............but EEK! now he's running with handheld weights :)

Moi aussi...........I too am recovering from injuries Seeja so we can progress together! How did you hear about rawfood diet?

:)

[Dot Brookes]

Hi Guys

Todd - great advice - in fact i think I may have set my standards a bit low to be honest.

Are you married? with children ? have a partner? are they also raw fooders ? I just wondered, always interesting to see how people cope with adapting and compromising as my boyfriend and i do.

I think perhaps I should see if next year I cannot do 70 % 70 % of the time since in the past 2 days I've already managed 50% and 60% respectively. Going to take it slowly since I still have a lot to learn.

On the whole eating raw (or mostly raw) isn't too hard tho I expect to struggle a bit when we go up to Johannesburg to visit family over Xmas and New Year but...I'll do what i can - at the very least just eat loads of salad before every meal and make myself a fruit cocktail every morning. I still take Vitamin B daily at this stage and will do so till I'm more confident that I am combining enuff foods to cover my needs.

Of course life has a way of happening when one has other plans. meant to start this morning off all fruity - get to work and, not only does my keyboard and phone not work but the blinking blender wouldn't work for me either.

Well, so I ended up having muesli and fruit - Never mind, :) on the bright side, found out what the blenders problem was and I am having a luuuurvely smoothie for brunch / lunch (strawberries, banana, apple, paw paw - mmm yum yum)

Missy - you put me to shame, no I had never heard of her but i am going out this weekend to listen to her music. yes, we have some great artists locally and its fantastic to hear (literally LOL) how our music has improved since apartheid is no longer (thank god for that !!!) - however I think many of our bands have a unique sound.

Currently one of my favourites is a band called Freshly Ground - very ethnic, eclectic up beat music - check them out if you can and let me know what you think. My best albulm of theirs is called Nomvula I think - it's a name normally given to a girl born when its raining cause thats literally what it means (more or less).

How did I hear about raw food? well...its kinda been on the edges of all the things I am interested in - sort of floating at the edge of my periphery. I'm been vegetarian for years mostly on (as in more than off except for a year or so in between, even then I never liked meat at all) now i no longer eat fish I still eat eggs if someone puts them in a meal I am eating but i try and avoid that, no milk either tho sometimes I "cheat" with a bit of yoghurt, however the fact that it does nothing for my system - I get all bunged up and snotty - means that I am seldom tempted.

My biggest weakness is - cheese but even that is becoming easier to avoid simply because when I do eat it ....bunged up and snotty again.

So, I was checking out vegan sites and tryin to find vegan outlets to help me with that area and thus found the raw sites and links and.....it all made so much sense !!!

in fact I believe that to some extent people (depending on where they or rather their ancestors originally came from) do differ in dietary needs from time to time. I am even prepared to concede that there may be a few (very few) folk who need to eat meat. In my case I have always said I came from a tribe who lived on fruit, nuts and veg since these are the foods i most enjoy eating and which work best for my system - and Walla - Raw Food covers all that.

Now, if i recall Todd is from New Hampshire and yourself Missy, Aussie? Tho you speak of USD not AUD How did you injure yourself?

Thanks for the support guys - there seem to be loads of really cool people on this forum. You two kinda stood out cause in a way (vaguely) you remind me of myself and my boyfriend Pierre (NOT a veggie he's a meat eater but a moderate one and very supportive of my lifestyle) he is practical and quite logical and Todd kinda reminds me of him while Missy, well, I suspect you and i would get along like a house on fire, I'm a total nutcase for running and i'm convinced (even tho I know i am possibly wrong) that if I could just convert the world.....they would all see the "truth" LOL

Well, lunch break is over - best I get back to the grindstone - the end of year is soooo welcome, its been a long one and I'm looking forward to a break and an opportunity to spend some time trying out some raw food recipes.

Seeja

So,

[tglasco4]

Seeja,

Yes, I am married with 4 children and 1 grandson. My wife, oldest daughter (13) and myself are raw. My youngest son (14) and youngest daughter (10) are about 50% raw.

In our situation I was the first one raw with no support. I basically said nothing and just ate raw. My oldest daughter wanted to join me at the beginning but my wife thought the whole thing was crazy and wouldn't let her. In time however, with the changes in my body being evident, my family and friends started asking more questions and wanting to try it themselves. Example is the best way.

Peace.

Todd

[Dot Brookes]

hey there my rawsome friends

Sorry so quiet from my side - I've been fairly busy.

Todd I've been following your advice - when I eat a meal that is non-raw I try and make sure at least 50% of it is raw, a large salad with some cooked veggies on the side, or half a slice of rye piled high with sprouts, avo, lettuce and nuts. yum yum.

you're right of course - example is the best way. Even as a vegetarian I tried to be as non-critical as possible of others choices and quite often curiousity would encourage them to consider what my reasons were - far more seriously than if I had bludgeoned them with my beliefs.

I have a friend who is a ardent animal rights activist and vegan - however she is so quick to jump on people and to berate them that she tends to put their back up and make them anti all that she stands for. I feel that if she really wanted to change things she would be less confrontational but .... we all have different ways of approaching things.

Thats not my way - I tend to rather understate my reasons and feelings however I admit - sometimes someone might draw me into a debate and at that point i can get quite excitable.

Anyways - I'm finding that converting more of my meals to raw foods is not as hard as I first expected.

Well to be entirely honest...it is a bit trickier when eating out, and i've kind of had a bit of hit and miss with that - 3 functions this week past - one i failed dismally to eat any raw, the only live food was the very dead lettuce leaves between the various cheeses - cheese my big temptation. Well, I succumbed and had a lovely snotty nose for my pleasure the next day. My only consolation was that during the course of the day I had been nearly 100% raw. Darn cocktail evenings and there are soooo many of them this time of year.

The next i managed about a 30 / 70 unfortunately not in the favour of raw food but last night I had another function and I managed a far better average of 80 / 20 in favour of raw food !! YAY !

Fortunately my boyfriend is very supportive. Although he is hardly what one could call a health nut he has adapted to living with me and has picked up some of my habits. He now eats red meat, in fact most meat even more seldom than he did before and even runs and goes to gym on occasion.

On Sunday - after Saturdays not so succesful raw day - he made me a breakfast with lots of lovely fruit in and a drizzle of honey and then for lunch he made me a huge green salad specifically because i mentioned I wanted to incoporate more raw food and eliminate too much cooked food.

Knowing I've got support at home really helps.

Tell me, how did you get onto the raw diet way of life - what made you consider it ?

I have to say, if that is a recent photo of you then you certainly qualify as a rawfood poster boy, gosh, can't believe you have 4 children and one already 13 !!!

Well, in the years to come they'll thank you for influencing their eating habits I' sure.

I'm almost on leave but,...... not quite so best i get back to work for now

Till we chat again


D

p.s. Missy, I got a friend has that artist you like so much - want to try and make a plan to see her tonight and take a listen. : )

[Dot Brookes]

Sorry Todd

Just realised your eldest child is probably much older than 13 - it's your eldest daughter that is still at home that is 13 !

Wow. Looking good - how long have you been raw?

I believe that for the majority of raw fooders a percentage of btw 75 - 100 % seems to qualify. Now I was wondering - those percentages - do you measure them by the food on your plate (i.e. if i have a huge salad and 2 crackers would that be around 80% raw?) or do they count the total calories / Kilojoules to see what percentage is raw?

Just curious - at this time its more an overall improvement in my eating habits I'm trying to make so I'm not being too exact, just trying to constantly make better decisions as to what i put in my mouth.

Hows the running going?

Seeja later

[tglasco4]

Hi Seeja,

My oldest child is a son who will be 26 in February. He is the father of my grandson who is 16 months old now. I have been raw for about 20 months now. Prior to going raw, I was a vegan for 5 years but had a terrible sweet tooth.

As far as percentages, its pretty much guesswork. I eat all raw but there are some items (i.e. soaked bulgar wheat and dried banana chips) that I eat which are not raw. These do not make up a large portion of even one meal. I probably eat 3 times per day now. Typically for me it will go like this:

Breakfast:
5 or 6 pieces of fruit.

Lunch:
Large green salad with a pate topping and some bulgar wheat on top.

dinner:
32-48oz of fruit-date-nut smoothie.

I dont always eat these in this order (for example I may have the smoothie for breakfast, the fruit for lunch and the salad for dinner), I have had them in all types of combinations. I also have about 3 or 4 different toppings I use on my salads (keeps them interesting).

So as far as percentage, I know I am in the high 90s but its a guess for sure. But seeking to have one meal 100% raw for you and seeking to eat your raw foods first after that will help you tremendously.

The weather has infringed on my running schedule lately. We have had a couple of snow storms in the last week. Last week I was able to do an 8 miler and a 4 miler. This past Sunday I did 7.5 miles and I am hoping to do 6 miles today (its near zero degrees farenheit here right now). But this goes with the territory of living in New England.

You are doing very well so far....keep it up!!

Peace

[misslinda]

...............still running doing morning and night! ;)

[misslinda]

did an early morning 7 am run and enjoyed the view of the sun rising.

anyone shopped for new running shoes lately?

illuminite makes a great line of safety reflective running gear!

update any other runners??? :)

[tglasco4]

You go girl:)!!!!

[misslinda]

here is a link to a company that has wrightsocks on sale. Jaurequi share this brand with me and really has success with it's cushioning and moisture absorbability.

http://www.sockcompany.com/sockco/wrightsock.html

[tglasco4]

I am sort of jonesing for a run! I cannot run because the ice is so thick on our mountain I almost fell when I tried it today:( I think I have some sort of addiction now....lol . I haven't run since last Friday (7.5 miles) and I feel like its been forever. Overall, I guess thats a good thing. Now if I could just get mother nature to melt some of this ice I will be fine. My wife suggested I do tae-bo today, but that feels like such a let down. I decided if tomorrow is no better than today I may have to settle for the tae-bo, but I hope not!! ;)

Todd

[misslinda]

I am sort of jonesing for a run! I cannot run because the ice is so thick on our mountain I almost fell when I tried it today:( I think I have some sort of addiction now....lol . I haven't run since last Friday (7.5 miles) and I feel like its been forever. Overall, I guess thats a good thing. Now if I could just get mother nature to melt some of this ice I will be fine. My wife suggested I do tae-bo today, but that feels like such a let down. I decided if tomorrow is no better than today I may have to settle for the tae-bo, but I hope not!! ;)

Todd


LOL......I love it and in your own words :p How 'bout we trail in front of you Todd with an ice melter machine??? I can just imagine if you did go for a run.......falling and getting back up at leat a gazillion times !!!!!!!!!! boy, are we all sick or what---I LOVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[NFrawRUNNER]

:D I just joined this forum yesterday and am soooo excited to know I am not the only "RAW RUNNER!" ;) I too am an endurance runner! I must get my "runner's high fix" daily with a 10+ mile run!! I live in northern NY where it is as cold as NH (colder sometimes???) but thankfully have a treadmill and belong to the YMCA. I do love to run outside though and EARLY so I do that too. I just "bundle up" in a few wicking layers, my balaclava (aka hat & face mask), good gloves, and my safety vest! I look as foolish as it sounds. But it does the job!
I am running the Disney Marathon next Sunday in Orlando, FL. It will be my first marathon since being about 90% raw...(I have run 7 full marathons and 8 half marathons)....I am anxious to see how I do....a bit nervous, but I am experimenting with what to eat prior/during right now. I eat a lot of fruit....I cut back thinking it was too much and my performance hindered + my cravings for nuts/seeds went up. I have some (green) juice prior to a run + a piece or two of fruit...I also should mention that when I first get up I drink a quart of water and I am guilty of a morning cup of Yogi tea (Hey, it's decaf and I put ginger in it and a cinammon stick!...mmm)
I am most concerned about eating while I am there??? We are staying at one of the resorts. They have "cafeterias" but I am not sure what their "raw" selection" will be. Probably 2$ per apple right? I am going to try to "pack" as much fruit as I can to bring on the plane with me and eat salads from their venue? Any tips on make and take dressings/other "staples" would be appreciated. I am making my own "energy bars" in my dehydrator as we speak to take but am still worked up over what to eat while there! I have transitioned from a healthy SAD (oximoron?) to raw since August, 2005. I feel awesome but this is my first trip "in the real world" without the comforts of my juicer, blender, dehydrator, and food processor! Yikes!

Anyway, I am just so excited to "meet other runners" here! Have a great day! I'm on my way out the door for my morning high! :) (That doesn't even sound right!)

[NFrawRUNNER]

I love my Asics 2100. I buy 2 pair at a time and alternate them in with 2 "older" pair! I just mark on the back heals A1/A2/A3... and actually write it out on my calendar so my miles are all even + you can get more mileage out of them that way, saving $$$ in the long run. Now they have a 2110 model I may try next time I order. I always order from Road Runner Sports too. You can call them and they are very knowledgeable about running and will help you pick the right shoe, etc...I use "wright socks" too!....
Happy Trails! :D

[spockafina]

I started running this fall and LOVE it. I want to run in the Hartford half-marathon in October. I'm slowly beginning to increase my mileage so as to avoid any sort of injury.

Diantha - best of luck on the Disney marathon - I'd love to hear details about it - how it was since you're raw now and whatnot.

[NFrawRUNNER]

Hi guys! I just reread EVRY thread on this post...ok it only took me an HOUR but I am so excited that there are "others" out there like me!!! I had a great 12 1/2 mile run this morning....a bit icy and dark but I am intrigued by the spookiness of the predawn run! Hey, my husband got me pepper spray + I have him on speed dial on my cell phone!!! Disney is 10 days away and I am getting excited. I do notice that I could use a "pick me up" at about mile 10-12...any suggestions? Do any of you carry fruits? I'm thinking dates in a baggy may be good for a quick fix....I am also "concocting" my own energy bar. I soaked some dates and pumpkin seeds + processed them with bananas. Now I am dehydrating them to make "energy bars"? I'll let you know how they turn out they are taking awhile at 105 degrees! If they "work" I'll bring them on my trip. Cross your fingers....any more nutritional advice for my trip is welcome! Maybe I can recruit some of you to join my marathon team for a marathon someday! A New Year's Resolution for you??? Happy Trails! ;)
Diantha

[misslinda]

:D I just joined this forum yesterday and am soooo excited to know I am not the only "RAW RUNNER!" ;) I too am an endurance runner! I must get my "runner's high fix" daily with a 10+ mile run!! I live in northern NY where it is as cold as NH (colder sometimes???) but thankfully have a treadmill and belong to the YMCA. I do love to run outside though and EARLY so I do that too. I just "bundle up" in a few wicking layers, my balaclava (aka hat & face mask), good gloves, and my safety vest! I look as foolish as it sounds. But it does the job!
I am running the Disney Marathon next Sunday in Orlando, FL. It will be my first marathon since being about 90% raw...(I have run 7 full marathons and 8 half marathonsa cinammon stick!...mmm)


Anyway, I am just so excited to "meet other runners" here! Have a great day! I'm on my way out the door for my morning high! :) (That doesn't even sound right!)


((((((((((BOWS DOWON TO YOU)))))))))) you RAWK in the big time!!!!!!!!!!

RUNNERS RULZ :) Todd has been raw consistently for sometime and increased his running to 10 miles a day..I am in injury status so my experience won't be feasible but have vistied a raw runner website and raw runners dont' seem to have a problem.

so exicted to have you!!!!!

Spockafina !!!!!!!!!!!! congrats on getting back into running.....I love your ID name and avatar---always fascinated me!

One thing i did learn from a former Olympian runner..........massage thte back of the knee---there are muscles there that are often times neglected.

[tglasco4]

LOL ML.....its actually 8 miles 3x per week....

Hey there Diantha. Welcome aboard! I have never run a marathon. I am debating whether I should because I really am seeking to get away from a competition atmosphere. But I may just run 26 miles on my own. But you're definitely a veteran so I am glad to have you here! Love to read about your experiences. I am about to go on a 8 mile run now, but I have a guest with me (19 yrs old visiting from NYC). He hasn't run in awhile so I may have to cut my distance for him :rolleyes: . But hey, I was a rookie once :D .

Peace.

Todd

[NFrawRUNNER]

It was so cooooold this morning I actually was covered with frost when I got back home...but sickly I loved looking like the abominable snow mama! Besides...in a week I'll be in Disney running in SHORTS! YEEEHAAAA. Somehow I still enjoyed my favorite breakfast of rozen bananas (blended w/coconut and pineapple!!!yummy!).....any food suggestions I should take along for the trip? I'm a bit concerned about that!
Happy Trails!
Di

[misslinda]

It was so cooooold this morning I actually was covered with frost when I got back home...but sickly I loved looking like the abominable snow mama! Besides...in a week I'll be in Disney running in SHORTS! YEEEHAAAA. Somehow I still enjoyed my favorite breakfast of rozen bananas (blended w/coconut and pineapple!!!yummy!).....any food suggestions I should take along for the trip? I'm a bit concerned about that!
Happy Trails!
Di

I"ll be in the DONALD DUCK costume giving two thumbs up "GO DIANTHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

food? can you add a good green food supp to give you the balance of sustained energy? myself, i can run 10 miles on a apple alone..............does that mean i could run a marathon on 2 apples? :p :D ;)

seriously though, what are you taking so far?

[misslinda]

OUR VERY OWN DIANTHA IS RUNNING THE DISNEY 2006 MARATHON!!!

CHEER HER ON AND SEND HER BEST WISHES.


:) :) :)


IF ANYONE IS INTERSTED IN TEH DISNEY MARATHON SITE.....

http://disneyworldsports.disney.go.com/dwws/en_US/events/marathon/listing?name=Marathon2005EventListingPage&bhcp=1

[spockafina]

Hoo-ray!! Good luck in the marathon :)

[Rawmney]

Hi Everyone!

I've been lurking a bit for a couple of weeks and this board has helped me start moving seriously toward raw.

I'm wondering what to eat the night before the half marathon I'm doing later this month. Seems like the salad at the pasta party or a zucchini raw pasta isn't going to work. I see Bethany ate bananas and dates during her Chicago marathon... not sure about before.

Diantha, good luck with Disney! It's one I've wanted to do, but I hate cold-weather running here in Arlington, VA. By the time I hit my Marine Corp marathons the end of October these last two years, I'd definitely had enough. The half in Naples, FL this month (where my parents live) keeps me from hibernating.

Best,
Caryn

[luinla]

Hello everyone. Just wanted to join your chat about marathoning while raw. I'm new to raw and I'm running the LA marathon on March 19th.

I'm looking for any and all advice on distance training on raw and any recommendations to improve endurance and avoid injury. I'm definitely concerned about my stamina on a diet without the carbs I've been told I need my whole life as an athlete.

Looking forward to expanding my raw knowledge.

Thanks.

[tglasco4]

Welcome Luinla! Yes, there are several marathoners on here (I am not one of them) and distance runners (that'd be me). Bethany did say she ate bananas and dates during her marathon. I think thats the only thing that is stopping me, wondering where or how I will get the nutrients during the marathon. I don't want to drink gatorade or eat power bars. What do you usually consume during a race?

Todd

[jaurequi]

luinla, not sure what you mean by a no-carb diet? We cannot live without carbs. The best are fruit. You will need them if you are an endurance athlete.

Avoiding injury would be keeping loose and warm (your muscles, that is :)) through lots and lots of stretching.
Also do not overtrain at least the week before your race. It's sort of like cramming for an exam: if you're not ready by then, you won't be :). Relax and be *well* rested before your race. Get a good night sleep before. On your rest days or days off, be sure to still stretch!

Being well hydrated, of course, is required, but do not overdo the water before a race -- you will flood your system and possibly flush out the electrolytes you need. You may like to consume juicy fruits (think melons) to hydrate you in the days before your race.

I would suggest a homemade Gatorade -- I make my own ;)
Suggestions for endurance events would be, coconut water, first -- this is a fantastic drink, filled with all natural electrolytes, plus it tastes yummy and sweet and better than any cheap Gatorade-type drink. It is complete in itself. It contains natural sugars and sodium so it's the most complete natural sports drink. All Gatorade is, is sugar, salt, and artificial flavorings.

Second, I would use watermelon juice with water and a sodium source, such as juiced celery, bok choy stems (use the leaves for a smoothie) or even some seaweed (blend and strain with the water.) This is also delicious, but some people don't do well with watermelon and get stomach aches. I suggest trying one of these suggestions or make up your own (not too many ingredients and don't mix fruits, use one only) and try it and see how you feel. Last thing you want is to get cramps or stomach issues before or during your race. Try it before a run and try it after and see how you feel.

And if you don't do well on these then just water is fine, but be sure to have a sufficient recovery meal containing the elements you've lost during heavy exercise: Bananas, dates, watermelon, coconut water, celery, etc.
I like green smoothies as my regular recovery meal, it gives me all I need and then some for all I've expended.

I found a recipe that called for cocoa, dates and dulse (a mild seaweed). It didn't mention ratios, but called for blending. It didn't say, but, if I were to try this, I would definitely strain it.

Good day, and good luck ;)

[Dot Brookes]

Hi all my raw food friends

Todd, Missy, Alison ( I read a lot of your threads too and find them inspiring) - well I survived xmas and the festive season without too much strain. I didnt' manage to keep as raw as I would have liked but most days I did much better than I expected.

Some days were 30 or 40 % most were around 40 or 50% and I had some good days of 70% but I decided I must just do what I can, and, when eating cooked try and keep it as healthy as is possible (well, under the circumstances) because getting stressed and stressing out those around me is just contradicting the whole point of being raw for me.

Which is - to be a wholesome person on the whole, including having a good life with my friends and family (my boyfriend is really very supportive altho he is a meat eater but his family, with whom we were holidaying - well...they already find the fact that I'm a vegetarian unusual LOL)

The really fantastic thing was his niece and 2 nephews starting mimicing my eating without meaning too - I just had so much fruit around, and in the mornings we'd go for a walk round the lodge to check out the deer and see if we could see the fellows on the golf course. When we got back I'd fill a big pitcher with cold water, lemon / orange slices and sometimes for some festive fun I'd float a few berries in it. Well, of course they all wanted a glass of the fun water after a hot walk, and with the fruit bowl right there they'd follow it up with a banana or peach or some melon which I'd cut each morning.

So, all in all it was good tho not perfect !

Of course it didn't stop them grabbin chips and ice-creams or eating boerewors (sausage which we braai / barbecue) at night - but at least i could feel pleased they were starting the day with the right fuel :) and hopefully learning some good habits.

and since I've been back the past two weeks I've found it fairly easy to get back into being more raw than not :) I thought it would be harder but i must be honest I CRAVE fresh, raw, crunchy fruit and salads - particularly after eating more cooked than I was used to.

Of course the first week I 'lapsed' on one or two meals, this past week has been easier with fewer lapses (very few) and I expect this week to be brilliant - today has been 90% (well as I judge it - I'm still not sure if one is to work out the total amount eaten or the kilojoules consumed or what ?) tho I may have a little bit of mushroom soup tonight I'll be having a hugemungus salad with that!

AND some exciting news !!!

We (my boyfriend Pierre and I ) are planning an overseas trip in May (oh lord that will be a challenge to my rawfood diet not cause I don't want to but we'll have to see how I manage - its going to be a budget holiday so there won't be a lot to splash out on food - which, on the bright side means not too many unhealthy restaurant meals)

AND, he has found a half marathon ( I considered doing the full but we're only over for 2 or so weeks and I don't want to spend 6 hours of it running so I'll just do the half and he'll do the 10Km) in Masstricht Belgium - it sounds lovely - most of it is on pedestrian ways along the river ! Sounds divine !

So I've got lots to look forward to this year - I hope thats true for all the nice folk I've come into contact with on this forum.

I'm also trying to get my recruitment business off the ground so you may see I'm a bit sporadic with the staying in touch. However I will certainly be popping in - its about 2 or 3 months to winter and I need to start thinking how to help me keep raw in winter with all those tempting hot meals and soups.

I've heard / read about dehydrators ?? is that right? I'm going to look out for some here in SA and also try and get some recipes I can try - any other suggestions for winter type foods?

I know one doesn't HAVE to eat cooked / warm food in winter but I do think it will make it easier to stay a healthy raw fooder.

Any suggestions welcome.

Todd, for a fellow who didn't like running that much I see you're still going strong - are you still using those hand held dumbells ? that seems to work well tho I haven't tried it myself yet.

I've been running a bit but my training is starting in earnest this week and I'm back at gym tomorrow (got to get those legs strong) I'm doing the 2 Oceans Half marathon in a couple of months and I LOVE that race it has a lot of personal meaning for me.

Anyone here ever been to Cape Town for that race ? or coming to Cape Town ? Its a classic.

Well....back to work I go

Wishing you all a healthy, wealthy, peaceful and love filled 2006 !


Dot

[Dot Brookes]

p.s.

For anyone who is interested in finding out more bout the 2 Oceans Marathon (there's a half as well)

http://www.twooceansmarathon.org.za/portal/

[tglasco4]

"Todd, for a fellow who didn't like running that much I see you're still going strong - are you still using those hand held dumbells ? that seems to work well tho I haven't tried it myself yet. "

Hey Dot,

Long time no post. Nice to hear from you. Yes I am running with the handweights (although a snow storm has me grounded today). You should try it and tell me what you think! So you're doing a half marathon? Great! Let us know how you do and if possible post some pics.:)

Peace.

Todd

[luinla]

Yesterday I ran about 16 miles- or rather I ran a lot and walked some too. I found that I didn't have the energy in the middle of the run, about 10 miles in, but by the last two miles, I was fine.

Anyway, my questions to you much more experienced folk are these:

After the run I felt pretty good but did not have any sort of appetite at all. It took me 3 hours so one would think I'd be ravenous, but I had to force myself to eat a banana and then later some guacamole. Anyone experience a similar loss of appetite after distance?

And, any thoughts for sustaining energy after the 10 mile mark? I tried coconut milk but it just made me nauseous. I ate cashews along the way which seemed to help. I'd like to figure something out other than that GU and Power Bar Gel that I used to use. Someone suggested dates, but I find them too sweet. Honey sticks maybe?

Thanks,
Lu

[misslinda]

Luinla, Welcome and so great to have you !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm in injury mode :( but that happened to me esp after 10+ mile runs. I could go without eating until evening.

That's interesting cuz after 7 miles I'm high and by 10 miles I'm psyched. I might be a little strange but I was able to run on just one apple. Have you tried green smoothies with fruit in the morning? staying hydrated as well? :)

[luinla]

I want to attribute the following to the roller coaster of being newly raw, but it seems crazy:

On Sunday, I did the same 16 mile run I did the week before- though the opposite direction- and I did it in 42 minutes less time! Now granted the week before I felt tired and distracted and walked more than I have in the past- which I attributed to detoxing. But that much of a time difference seems absurd.

This week's run not only felt good, but I was barely sore afterward which is VERY bizarre for me. Is this the benefit of my newly raw body? If so, I'm in awe. Is this the kind of improvement you guys experienced?!

Thanks for all your support!

Lu

[misslinda]

Hey fellow runners.................


making great progress again with physical therapy and was able to do more lite joggng and walking. Doing ballet arm andleg exercises and some other indoor exercises as well.
:)

[Kris]

I saw that someone brought up the point about energy bars and gels, and I too have been curious about this. I have been able to find a raw energy bar (www.myvega.com), which although very expensive compared to something like Clif Bars, is a very convenient pre- or post-workout snack. I am thinking I can even make similar bars myself to bring the cost down.

But the gels...aaahhh, the gels...I can't seem to find a replacement for these. Someone on a triathlon message board suggested mixing molasses and honey, but molasses isn't raw as far as I know, plus I don't think I could handle the taste of it an hour into a workout.

Does anyone have any ideas on this? Would agave nectar make a good energy source? I don't know much about the types of sugar in it. I just keep thinking there has to be something better that we can come up with!

[luinla]

I've heard that honey sticks are great. Same theory as the GU, you just suck on it with water for instant energy. They sell raw ones at my local farmer's market.

I also tried raw cashews and Lara bars with alright results, though I'm not good at eating them on the go yet. My best training run so far though I didn't eat anything during for 2:40 though I drank water all along the way.

People also swear by Coconut Milk as Nature's gatorade. Full of electrolytes, but you may want to dilute it. It's pretty sweet.

Lu

[misslinda]

411 ALL RUNNERS.....

The suns out,blue skies and I went for a race walk today! Then went to phsycial therapy.......my PT finally was able to get movement in my sternum--I have had no movement for the past 1 1/2 years !!!!!!!!!!!! This is phenomenal and I am looking forward to running this summer.


MAKING PROGRESS !!!!!!!!! :p :) ;)

[karenisraw]

Todd,

I used to run and as well, did aerobics and the stairmaster. I used to get "runners" high although I got it also with aerobics and the stairmaster too. For me it felt like all of the sudden if you could get past a certain point where breathing was labored and muscles hurt all of the sudden it is like you just became airborne and breathing becomes easy and your muscle are relaxed and warm and don't hur anymore. You get a "I could go on like this forever feeling".

k
:D

[karenisraw]

Kris,

I take a tablespoon of coconut oil before working out. I have not had a lack of energy yet.

k
:p

[misslinda]

Gorgeous day for a runner--blue skies and sunshine........


Saw all the wannabe Lance Armstrong's out today---gotta HISS at the cyclists :rolleyes:

Went for a jog today (twice) I'm really building the strength,endurance and speed at an alarming rate. Included one hill and went very slowly so I don't irritate my exsisting injuries.

Diantha, I'm still thinking of you babe! :)

Jaurequi my runnning bud where are you :cool: no slacking...........no pain no gain.

[Dot Brookes]

Hi MissLinda, Todd and all my other raw friends

Good news !

Last year April when I first began to pick up an injury (overuse, overuse tsk tsk - won't make that mistake again)

Well i ran my first half marathon (21.1km or 13.1miles - think thats right ) this Sunday past and I coped brilliantly - did it in 1.52.4 - granted there was no wind and it was fairly flat but it was a nice start to my running season and the first run I've done on mostly raw food.

Have planned to run my first marathon in September this year - so, I'll let you know how the training, the raw food and the training and rawfood progress !

Dja know you'd think with no power (we've had a province wide power failure today right up till about now) that it would be easier to eat raw but, unfortunately with no ready food, and no access to money (can't draw cash or use a card without electricity) for the first time in a long time I had to resort to eating what I now consider junk food - a sarmie with lettuce, tomato, sprouts and cheese and muesli (no fruit boo hoo) Thought it very ironic tho that having no food would be the thing that affected my rawfood day LOL

Anyways the powers back on and I'm off to stock the fridge with some lovely fresh foods.


You guys keep me inspired - thanks so much

and MissLinda - love the new pic !

[SparklePlenty]

I am taking in what you guys are saying. I jsut started jogging about 5-6 weeks ago and am loving how my body adapts. I would like to train for a 1/2 marathon next Feb down here. And am getting all the infor I can. I am following Galloway's training regimen since I am dedicated to NO INJURIES! So far so good!

[NFrawRUNNER]

Greetings fellow raw food runners! I am 7 weeks post-op as of yesterday and proud to say I have been walking for a week and a half unassisted. ;) My post-op dr. appt was Monday during which the X-ray revealed that my bones have healed perfectly and to the naked eye one cannot see where the break ever was!!! The only GLARING evidence of me breaking the femoral neck (AKA hip region!) is the metal plate and screws and such!!! He gave me the green light to resume fitness as I feel comfortable....

Of course, you know I was walking on my TM a few weeks ago clutching the handrails! Now I am walking an hour a day on it unassisted! I still have a "limp" to my walk but NOT when I am walking on my TM...because I do a faster stride apparently....Now, my confession...Since Tuesday I have been throwing in a minute or two of VERY SLOW jogging and it feels good! (my husband doesn't know it yet!!! But wouldn't be surprised!) I know."Don't overdo it." Trust me, if it hurts I stop but I think I feel endorphins after 30 seconds just because I have healed so fast and want to run so badly! I KNOW IT IS DUE TO RAW FOODS + my "herbal concoction" of loose teas that I drink 2-3 times a day + visiting my chiropractor 2x week (He also specializes in deep tissue massage and is breaking up the yucky scar tissue in the lovely scar on my right thigh!!!) + I work out daily both at home and the local YMCA on the treadmill, elliptical trainer and nautilus equipment...+ I am a bit of a stubborn/determined old codger!!! Sorry I am rambling and bragging at the same time!!!

I guess my point for all of you to detail my progress is to inspire any of you just starting out that things can only get better when you first begin. And I am doing that ALL OVER AGAIN!!!! I used to run 10 miles a day remember? In 2005 I ran 2,926 miles (I checked my log for curiosity!) I broke my leg THE DAY WE WERE LEAVING TO RUN THE DISNEY MARATHON :mad: If you're just starting out you probably can't top that for bad luck!!! So be inspired! I would love to hear updates on everyone's running progress! I am going to just start slow and steady like I did in the past. I mean, my "mini-jogs" on my treadmill are currently about 4.5 mph!!!! But I'll get there....I prefer the turtle over the hare. How about you? :D Happy Trails to all!
Diantha

[luinla]

Congratulations, Diantha on your progress! Physical and Psychological. Truly impressive.

I'm wondering if any of you have any suggestions for a muscle injury I have. It feels like my achilles is trying to eat my calf muscle. I'm told it's just a muscle strain but it hurts tons and stopped me dead from running.

The LA marathon is only 3 weeks away and I want to be in prime fighting form by then.

So far, I'm icing, doing light massage, stretching tons, ultrasound and homeopathy. I think I can do yoga and maybe some cycling, but so far everyone (my athletic trainer husband, chiro, fellow marathoners) says I need to stop running for at least 5-6 days and indefinitely postpone my long run this weekend (22 mi.)

Can any of you suggest healing foods to help?! I've done way too much training to be stopped now!

Thanks,
Lu

[NFrawRUNNER]

Luinla-
OMG :eek: ...I literally feel your pain!!! For starters, taking a few days off from running at this point can only help you, believe me! Your body is already "prepared" for the marathon but if you don't rest your injured muscle now it will come back to haunt you either during training or about mile 21 of the race itself (which you definately don't want)! One thing I've learned during my "recovery" is that you have to listen to your body. Don't stress over it. I used to panic if I had to miss a day's run...ran through pain and injury before and then could not run for a few WEEKS...you don't want that at this point either!!! Also, I would be a little more vigorous with the massage. You need to get that muscle loosened up...Do lots of stretching in lieu of running and the cross training ideas are great too. Good luck!
Diantha

[misslinda]

Hey G-r-o-u-p-i-e !!!!!!!!!!!!


Dot!!!!!!!!!!!! I was wondering wher'd you been. Congrats congrats on that run. What shoes did you wear?

Karen, have you run some more lately?

Sparkleplenty, haven't seen you lately either? How are you? right on girly, in your training!


AH Luila, so sorry that sucks in the BIG Time :( ! have you tried arnica cream?

:)

[misslinda]

WELCOME BACK DIANTHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU ARE THE CHIEF.............. :)

[NFrawRUNNER]

MissLinda!-You R-O-C-K! You always make me smile and feel inspired! Thank you!

Todd-How's the weather? My cold weather running advice...Don't run in the rain when there's snow on the ground! There may be ICE underneath...but what do I know :D

Luilna...How is your injury?

Dot/Rawney (was it both of you or just one....can't keep everyone's names straight...)...How was your race?

Karenisraw...good idea on the coconut oil....maybe a concoction of honey and coconut oil would be a good gel...not too sweet and ? consistency....mashed bananas are a good ingredient too...who wants to be the guinea pig? I'm not quite up to long runs again (LOL)...what about orange wedges...oranges taste GREAT in the middle of a long run or marathon!!!

I personally can hardly wait to run pain free again....How is your running MissLinda??? I can't remember where you live....We're in the middle of a snowstorm today.(typical northern new york weather!!!)

Just wanted to check in with the "running groupies"! ;) Happy Trails to all!
Diantha

[tglasco4]

Diantha,

I am so glad to hear of your rapid recovery rate! Thats wonderful. You will be doing marathons again in no time (probably this year).

We have had a mild winter here by New Hampshire standards but it is snowing here today. I have been running 3 miles per run these days as I am focusing on bodybuilding. For you and ML, 3 miles would be a terrible tease :p .

Peace.

Todd

[misslinda]

Diantha,

I am so glad to hear of your rapid recovery rate! Thats wonderful. You will be doing marathons again in no time (probably this year).

For you and ML, 3 miles would be a terrible tease :p .

Peace.

Todd


:: cosigns with todd :: Diantha, you have been a RAWSPIRATION!

don't worry Todd, there will a day........remember the 15 miles!

:) :) :) <~~~ fast forward to national convention: Todd,Diantha and Linda running

[Dot Brookes]

Hey there

yes, life has been busy so trying to be more balanced (isn't that the eternal struggle LOL) and organised so have curtailed my visits to once or twice a week.

Also looking for new (and I'm sure better) job at the mo - co I am working for is struggling and have to let me go but as unsettling as it all is I am quite happy to trust this is for the good - lord knows its been time to move on for awhile now.

Luinla - I must agree with all the good advice here and just add that running thru what I thought was a niggle is what brought on my injury !!! so if in doubt rather rest (if you get too frustrated or find you have to rest for a week or so try swimming, yoga, cycling or upper body exercises etc as a way to keep your fitness levels ...and maybe even improve them)

Arnica is fantastic and, Diantha may be right bout the vigorous massage, I was so nervous of making it worse by massaging too hard - then I went to a physio and he made no qualms about being firm (white knuckle firm from my side)

MISS LINDA

yes, nice to 'see' you again too LOL - To answer your question I wear Asics - just find them great for me - tried New Balance but had to keep replacing them.

Hows it going with you and your running? :)

DIANTHA

yes ran a race - a half marathon Sunday before last - was great for my first one back since my injury - most of it is along the coast with the mountain (I'm from Cape Town South Africa so its Table Mt I'm referring to) on the other side - very inspiring and with enough beauty to take ones mind off the sections where you feel the slog.

mmm - going to be doing my first full marathon end of this year - September ! so I'll keep that tip you got from Karenisraw - maybe I'll be the guinea pig. Oranges sound great too but how do you carry them ?

TODD

You're always so encouraging !

I have to humbly admit tho that the marathon in September will be my first, very first full marathon - it was going to be last year and is partly how I stumbled across this site (I was looking for marathon advice and how as a cheese addict to go vegan )

I am extremely exicted about it all - (and its still 6 months away so heaven only knows what I'm going to be like a month before)

I do think cross training is very useful and a lot of runners neglect working out other areas of their bodies such as flexibility and strength so I think Todd that working on strength will only improve your running. I definitely notice the difference on hills if I slack off on leg training.

In any case I'm just enjoying being back on the road again :D

Well all my rawsome running junkies

[misslinda]

Ey DOt!!!!!!!!!!


you're so right about the crosso training.........some of my best running day sint eh past were when I corssed trained. Thank you for the reminder ;)


Asics--why don't these shoes like me??? maybe it's me.

Swwweeeeeeeet your first marathon in Spet!!!!!!! Keep us posted on your training of what worked for ya and didn't. If you are 100% raw can you give us a run down of what foods you found the most helpful in you LONG runs for this preparation?


:)

[luinla]

The arnica gel is a great idea. And I've definitely gone deeper with the massage. It's feeling a lot better, but you never know. So far I've taken off 4 days completely from running, though I did some bikram yoga and played hockey which didn't hurt at all. And I slept a ton. 12 hours straight one night which I haven't done in years. I actually think it was aggravated by wearing high heels, so I've shelved them for now.

I'm going to try to run a couple of miles tonight super easy and then if all is well, I may try a long run tomorrow. But worst case, I'm just going to keep resting and not worry too much. I've already run 20 miles which most people say is enough to be ready to finish the race. I have less than three weeks. Yikes!

Thanks for the encouragement. I really appreciate it.

Lu

[TP]

Hello all! I am newb to the board and have been encouraged by some of the posts in this thread and now I am going to jump into the conversation with my running testimony.. (sorry it's long)

Background:
I finished my first marathon in 2003 at age 32 due to being challenged by a friend. I had always enjoyed running but hadn't ran long distance at all.. From 1995, when I weighed about 180lbs, I steadily gained weight over the years after marriage and sad eating and entered the race at 210lbs. The marathon was on Catalina Island (California) and is considered one of the tougher (very hilly) marathons in the world. My category for the race was "Buffalo" named after the wild buffalo that roam the island. I had trained faithfully but didn't train on enough incline to actually run the entire thing. I struggled best I could and finished in a dissappointing 6:25. (I had also committed to staying with my friend who ended slowing me down considerably and that was frustrating too)..

I was determined to run the whole thing and so tried it again in 2004, still entering as a Buffalo at 210ish lbs. Despite not training as well, I did better, but still finished in 5:30, and was nowhere near running the whole thing. I overran the first half and had to run and walk the rest of the course dealing with hamstring cramps..

After that run, primarily due to the pounding on my 5'10" frame running at that weight, I was injured with some lingering numbness and pain inthe toes and labeled myself burned out and gave up on long distance.

Over those two years of regular running and training, I had tried different diets and such to lose weight, but nothing worked for me. I knew I should go back to eating fruits and veggies because back in the early 90's I had been into Natural Hygiene and knew what it could do for me, but I had a block due to a bad association with the lifestyle. (I had grown tired of the social dynamics that eating that way had caused back then and gave up healthy eating after being a vegetarian and then pretty much raw vegan for about 3 or 4 years)..

The Last 6 weeks on a 99% Raw Diet:
So time pushed on from the marathon in March 2004 and I did run here and there, but less and less to the point that when I restarted my raw food journey the end of this January, I hadn't exercised at all, aside from an occasional walk, in about 5 months. I did go on a 3 week raw food diet flirtation last August with a raw foods and juicing "fast", but went on a 2 week family vacation at the end of it and lost my footing and after losing 20lbs during that 3 weeks to get down from 210 to 190lbs, I had gained back over half of it on sad eating and was at 201lbs.

I started on Jan31st with attempting 100% raw foods and also a parasite cleanse. After a couple weeks, I couldnt help it because of the energy I was discovering, and the weight I was losing, and I started walking more, and trying some run/walking here and there. After a month passed (two weeks ago) I started running and was already down from 201lbs to 185lbs. It has only been two weeks of exercising again and now and I have been running 4 miles every other day and in the gym on the off days doing light weight workouts and the Elliptical machine. I also played Ultimate Frisbee (for a couple hours) on saturday! In the past, had I played Ultimate Frisbee after being pretty much sedentary for 6 months, it would have taken me a full week to recover. But this time I hit the trail again on Monday morning! I've been running a hilly (Laguna Canyon) trail by my house with the dog and I am totally amazed at how quickly I am recovering from runs and exercise. If I weren't wanting to also do some weight training at the gym, I know I could easily be out running every day.

I know the fact that I have dropped a bunch of weight and am down to 180lbs now is a big factor for my physical performance improvements (I am a leaf on the wind, see how i fly! lol )... I also attribute much of this to the green smoothies. The last time I ate similar to this in the early 90's, I never had this kind of energy, but I was also a "mostly fruit" eater. I don't recall ever eating the dark greens aside from romaine lettuce in my salads, and the occasional wheatgrass juice. Now I am pumping myself full of assimilable greens every morning in these smoothies and it's amazing to me what's happening. I am also excited about the timing of it all, because spring is about here and that means weekly Ultimate Frisbee too! :D

At this stage I don't think I am going to get back into long distance running. I don't have or want to make the time to put into it. Instead I am going to push my cardio and train for shorter races. I've never ran a 5 or 10K and think it could be fun, especially if I have a chance at being competitive! This way I can also keep my runs in general to an hour limit and it won't cut too much into other activities; wife and 3 kids, etc.. I can't rule long distance out though. If/when I get to my goal weight of 170lbs, and detox some more, etc, I won't be surpised if I catch the long distance bug again..

I hope someone can find encouragement from this story, someone who runs or likes to run but has struggled to lose weight and has been limited by fat and bad fuel, etc..

TP/todd#2/newb

[NFrawRUNNER]

Thanks for sharing your story! I too ate a SAD diet for many many many years intermixed with ridiculous dieting. At the start of my "running career" I weighed 50 pounds more than I do now so I know how that goes too. But then I thought running was a free meal ticket and started gaining again!!! Then a radical (too) diet led to some health issues which led me HERE! Now, 100% (ok less if you count my a.m. herbal organic teas!!!)...raw I am comfortable between 135 and 140 pounds (I am 5'8") ....even after recovering from my January accident (bad broken leg!...femur neck) so hail to the green smoothies or green juices for that matter! Nothing gives me more zing before a work out (and yes Todd and Miss Linda...If you're reading I AM running again! slowly but surely...can I change my name to turtle???) You sharing your story is inspiring for all of us! :p Too bad we can't convince the rest of the world! You should see the turned up noses at work when I'm drinking (my JAR) :rolleyes: of green lemonade sometimes! They don't even want to know what it is....their loss right!!!! "It aint easy being green" :D should be our motto!!! Keep up the great work! And when I get my website up and running again I plan on recruiting ALL of you to train to run my 10K race in August right here in beautiful northern NY!!!!

[rawfigure]

Thanks for sharing your story! I too ate a SAD diet for many many many years intermixed with ridiculous dieting. At the start of my "running career" I weighed 50 pounds more than I do now so I know how that goes too. But then I thought running was a free meal ticket and started gaining again!!! Then a radical (too) diet led to some health issues which led me HERE! Now, 100% (ok less if you count my a.m. herbal organic teas!!!)...raw I am comfortable between 135 and 140 pounds (I am 5'8") ....even after recovering from my January accident (bad broken leg!...femur neck) so hail to the green smoothies or green juices for that matter! Nothing gives me more zing before a work out (and yes Todd and Miss Linda...If you're reading I AM running again! slowly but surely...can I change my name to turtle???) You sharing your story is inspiring for all of us! :p Too bad we can't convince the rest of the world! You should see the turned up noses at work when I'm drinking (my JAR) :rolleyes: of green lemonade sometimes! They don't even want to know what it is....their loss right!!!! "It aint easy being green" :D should be our motto!!! Keep up the great work! And when I get my website up and running again I plan on recruiting ALL of you to train to run my 10K race in August right here in beautiful northern NY!!!!


Diantha ! Wow you are running again already GREAT ! You healed fast !

I started running again, motivated by those here who run. I am doing a 5 K easily now, hope to get to 10K with out to much pain... ;) soon.

Where are you in Upstate, like way up state. I am south of Syracuse about hour or so.

[NFrawRUNNER]

RawFigure-
I live an hour north of Syracuse about 30 minutes from Canada (by Watertown)....so we'll have to find a race in Syracuse to meet halfway !!!! :p Although I am treadmill bound for my comeback at this point! I tried running outside one day and was in agony the next day (too much too soon?) so I am sticking to the comfort of my treadmill...I am walking with intermixed running right now.....slow and steady wins the race!!! just call me "turtle" :D Happy Trails!
Di

[rawfigure]

Di..next year I want to do the run up the Mountain (name escapes me now, Ski resort there) in Lake Placid. I need a year 9 Or TWO0 to train for that one. We should do it one year !

[luinla]

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to say hi and tell you all that I ran the LA marathon yesterday and it was great. Tough, grueling, hot, exhausting and overwhelming. But great.

There were 25000 people so it took probably until mile 10 for me to break away from a pack, but I just kept loping along and doing my little 1 min walk breaks. It was hotter than I expected so I stopped at every single water station. There were some oranges at mile 15 that saved my life. At mile 16 I saw my first (of 5) runner get loaded into an ambulence. Miles 18-21 all the locals passed out fruits and water and juice in front of their houses. It was like a giant buffet. Miles 22 til the end felt like about 15 miles. And at mile 24, my knee decided to become excruciatingly painful everytime I pushed off and bent my leg, but I wasn't going to stop. The last mile there were supposedly 80,000 spectators and the roar bounced off the buildings in downtown and pushed me along. Very cool.

I finished in just under 4:37 which put me in 5278th out of 25200 which makes me laugh. The woman who won, literally finished in half the time it took me. Pretty crazy. Even hours later when I was home on my couch people were still going!

I'm wearing my medal at work today. Just so you know. So, there. It can be done. I did it. I feel alright today and am looking forward to spending some stretching time in the sauna tonight. And I've been saving a giant papaya for an occasion such as this.

Go forth and conquer, all you crazy runners.

Lu

[stRAWberry fields forever]

Congratulations Lu!

So I am curious about what you ate throughout the race besides the oranges? What did you eat prior to the race and afterwards? Please post!

Thanks

[NFrawRUNNER]

WAY TO GO LUINLA! I can't wait to be back in marathon shape again! What did you eat prior/during? I always have "green lemonade" prior long runs (and every run for that matter) ....great natural electrolytes!!! also grapes/other fruits of craving during.....that should be plenty for most for the event....refueling AFTERWARD is the most important.......it's usually lots of bananas and then awhile later a gigunda green salad with avacado dressing and if I'm still hungry something sweet like dried fruit/nuts...what did you nosh on Luinla??? Don't be intimidated by lack of food choices during or before such an event if your body is fueled properly 24/7 you are ready to go on very little. Being "raw" makes your body cleaner than most so it won't be slowed or hampered digesting the denatured foods others eat!!! :D My most energetic runs are fueled by little! Good luck runners and congrats again Luinla!
Di

[TP]

that's awesome! congrats!

[luinla]

I'd love to say that I was 100% raw in the weeks leading up to and during the marathon, but I wasn't.

During the week before, I upped my green lemonade and green smoothie intake considerably. And I added lemons to my water and drank a ton. These were the good choices.

As for the bad, I think I copped out a bit on my raw regime in the couple of weeks before the race because I was so nervous that I fell into old eating habits. I was constantly craving this spicy eggplant dish and pineapple rice from my favorite thai place. Not the worst thing I could eat, but not raw. I also was always cold and gave into several veggie soups.

Before the race, I had two bananas and a peanut butter Z bar by Cliff bar (organic but not raw).

As for during, I never found anything that worked like those GU packets as far as instant energy without digestive problems. I used three during the race as well as a oranges along the way. My stomach can't tolerate gatorade or similar electrolyte drinks, so I stuck with just plain water.

After, I had oranges and bananas and another organic bar and a beer. Then when I got home, I ate a bowl of papaya, some salty potato chips with some guacamole- hey, I had just run for four and a half hours, so I wasn't going to feel guilty- and some veggies and hummus.

Here are some things I tried during workouts leading up to the race that didn't really work for me, but might work for others- Coconut milk diluted as a natural gatorade, lara bars, almonds or cashews, and honey sticks. I tried green smoothies and juices before and after but couldn't stomach them before.

I'm new to raw and new to marathoning, so I can't really tell how one influenced the other or vice versa. I'd like to kick off my raw-ness now that the race is over with a fast and then start running again and see if I can improve my performance. We'll see.

Thanks for the support. I really appreciate it.

Lu

[Conscious Midwife]

Ooooooooooh I wanna run a Marathon before I'm 40...3.5 year from now.

Hubby has run a couple and contended pretty well considering he is a Championship hurdler.