The limited nutrition beliefs and faulty blood tests

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

What concerns me is the limited and old fashioned nutrition RDA's that many raw vegans seem to see as nutritional law. We go to doctors, get our blood tests, get our positive results and then conclude we are getting adequate nutrition. But are we really getting adequate nutrition? Are the blood tests accurate? ls it just about fatty acids, vitamins and minerals? In our constantly changing environment, are the RDA's still relevent?

l think the nutritional testing is out of date. And l know most testing isn't accurate because we aren't testing for absorption, and even Don Tolman reports blood tests can be as high as 96% inaccurate. And l know that it isn't just about vitamins, minerals and fatty acids..because more important nutrients have been discovered since then, ie, phyto-nutrients (the disease fighters...the most important nutrients for a modern world, but there are no tests for them), the importance of oxygen via plants (we don't breath deeply enough, but raw green plant juices solves this problem), and hormones from plants that the body can break down and convert into human hormones, but people don't get tested for hormone levels and become deficient. But doctors and nutritionists don't mention any of these things because their training is severely lacking and behind the times.

We still can't even test for most of the good things in plants, yet plants have the ability to stifle disease. So how can we think we know everything about nutrition and state that edequate amounts of vitamins, minerals and fatty acids is enough to keep away disease?

There is much more to the story than we have been told, and we shouldn't be holding blood tests as law. We come back with `so called' good blood results, but is this really enough to keep disease away?

l am of the strong belief that we need to supplement B12, drink lots of green sprout juices, take sea weeds, grasses, and algaes. l see this as the only way to truely have the best chance of getting the best levels of nutrients that we can because doctors and nutritionists are using old dated nutrition science and often use faulty blood testing procedures.

My message is: use the cronometer and blood tests as a basic guide. Don't use these things as nutritional law!

[MysticTree]

I don't think RDA was ever meant to be more than a guide. Since b12 is even less accururate to test for and no-one seems to know if the generally suggested view that most of us (vegan and otherwise) are deficient is accurate or indeed if the RDA is accurate and whether the apparent deficiency is poor diet, poor absorption or something else, it makes supplementing it rather like a blindfolded person playing darts after having been spun round a few times first. I take b12 sometimes but I have no idea if it helps or hinders. I do spend lots of time with my hands in the soil which I think is probably a better bet on the whole. There is an immense amount of room here for some proper study.

[Raw Angel Mom]

If you get tested for your B12 with the URINE method, it will be accurate as per the Japan study. I agree that by blood method, it could be a false positive due to B12 supplementation that wasn't absorbed by the body and is stock in the blood system

I used to supplement with B12, i don't anymore because i know my digestive system is ok now. I still get tested to monitor. Some people do need to supplement but i feel this is because something isn't right in their body and most likely linked to their GI track.

Anyway, our ancestor didn't need to supplement prior that they started to consume animal food. Gorilla in nature don't supplement or elephant etc.... Just my say that once we are in balance and eat live food that is right for us, we will be ok but it is our responsibility to get tested the right way.

All the best!

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

If you get tested for your B12 with the URINE method, it will be accurate as per the Japan study. I agree that by blood method, it could be a false positive due to B12 supplementation that wasn't absorbed by the body and is stock in the blood system
Yes, the urine test is supposed to be far more accurate for B12.


I used to supplement with B12, i don't anymore because i know my digestive system is ok now. I still get tested to monitor. Some people do need to supplement but i feel this is because something isn't right in their body and most likely linked to their GI track.
l know you have said that many times, and l find it interesting. The sproutarian Kulvinskas was never able to produce B12 himself, and despite eating foods rich in B12, he was always deficient. To fix the problem he cleaned out his intestines via enemas and followed up with green juice implants and fermented foods to cultivate bacteria in his intestines. After getting really clean intestines with loads of good bacteria he was able to produce B12 himself for the first time in his life.

Ole Kulvinskas may come across as eccentric, but boy oh boy does this man know his stuff. This is one of the best youtubes on raw ever posted on the internet, and he talks about sprouting being about thrift. He also talks about how he fixed his B12 problem here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS4WdX75s5c&feature=channel&list=UL

[MysticTree]

I have read the K was bulimic for many years. Bulimics are noted for having very poor b12 levels so this may have a bearing.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

I have read the K was bulimic for many years. Bulimics are noted for having very poor b12 levels so this may have a bearing.

Kulvinskas was a complete mess and his own worst enemy. Despite being very bright and having very prestigious science jobs and loads of education, he had serious mental problems and sabotaged his raw food lifestyle for half of his life. He had good periods where he achieved great health, but then he fell back into bad habits of severe over eating, chain smoking (100 cigarettes a day), heavy vegetarian junk food binges, coffee binges (20 cups a day) and severe bulemia which lasted over 20 years. He knew so much about the raw food lifestyle and still does (more than anyone else IMO) and helped so many people, but he had serious issues. He was a catatonic schizophrenic with a file in the clinic many inches thick. But he eventually came out of it and found peace and high consciousness. The man just oozes love.

l said that Brian Clement is the greatest speaker on raw living, but l am wrong. Kulvinskas is by far the most outstanding teacher and speaker the world has ever seen on the true raw food lifestyle. He is a true raw foodie through and through.

[Raw Angel Mom]

Yes, the urine test is supposed to be far more accurate for B12.


l know you have said that many times, and l find it interesting. The sproutarian Kulvinskas was never able to produce B12 himself, and despite eating foods rich in B12, he was always deficient. To fix the problem he cleaned out his intestines via enemas and followed up with green juice implants and fermented foods to cultivate bacteria in his intestines. After getting really clean intestines with loads of good bacteria he was able to produce B12 himself for the first time in his life.

Ole Kulvinskas may come across as eccentric, but boy oh boy does this man know his stuff. This is one of the best youtubes on raw ever posted on the internet, and he talks about sprouting being about thrift. He also talks about how he fixed his B12 problem here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS4WdX75s5c&feature=channel&list=UL

I will have a look, thank you!

[Living Food]

A scientific study (Hara et al., 2000; Condomina et al., 2002) apparently proved that the colon is able to absorb zinc; now, its thought that the colon isn't able to absorb any nutrients at all by mainstream scientists and doctors (not that most doctors know anything about health). If zinc, why not b12?

[MysticTree]

This is precisely the sort of thing I mean. When b12 is such a complex thing why do we trust anyone working from basic ideas gained in the 50s with having much of a grip on which is up with this vitamin.

[Ravenna]

Do you know any reasonably priced B12 urine testing kit? I found only one and it is $199. Or maybe you know other ways to check it?

[Charybdisjim]

Do you know any reasonably priced B12 urine testing kit? I found only one and it is $199. Or maybe you know other ways to check it?

Urgent care clinics and primary care offices can usually perform the tests in-house. If you want it done without going through a full physical, an urgent care clinic might be the easiest way. At these places it will usually run about 25 bucks.

http://www.bradentonurgentcare.com/selfpaycosts.shtml

I would find one near you and call ahead and ask. In some cases you may have to pay a 50-100 dollar office visit fee as well; you may not have to if you just schedule urinalysis but even if you do have to it will still be cheaper and quicker than the tests you've found advertised online.

[Ravenna]

Thank you for the reply!
So, if a test is called urinalysis it will have B12 result for sure?

[Charybdisjim]

Thank you for the reply!
So, if a test is called urinalysis it will have B12 result for sure?

When you call ahead to ask about prices/schedule a test ask to be sure it includes this. Testing for common deficiencies detectable in urinalysis is pretty standard, but you should ask just so you don't waste your money assuming.