Health food myths audio talk by Dr Clement

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Brian Clement presents the science behind the raw foods that are heavily promoted by raw food leaders but best avoided or at least eaten in moderation. He'll hit you hard between the eyes and smash old myths with this talk, so be prepared. Even if you don't want to do all these things, l think it's good to be aware of the stuff he says.

Some things he speaks about in this brilliant audio covers some of the following:
* avoid honey and eat the bee pollen instead because that’s where all the nutrients are.
* talks about the problems with honey, maple syrup, agave nectar and xylitol.
* why most people shouldn't be eating coconuts and their oils
* explains how sweet fruits are mainly unripe and how they feed cancer that can be traced via `pet scans'. (only eat from the tree and never store bought, and only eat fruits if you are healthy)
* talks about how sweet fruits (most of them) can feed tumours in unhealthy people (only healthy people should be eating tree picked fruit).
* Fruit, carrot and beet juice were taken out of the HHI program in the early 80’s because people were not healing 100% (the three of them are fructose rich). As soon as the sweet foods were taken away people started to heal properly. The sugars caused cancer, viral diseases, bacterial problems, low blood sugar (hypoglycemia) and high blood sugar (diabetes). Not only did people heal better, but they also healed much quicker.
* 9,000 women who had osteoporosis didn’t get over osteoporosis if they ate the sprout diet, but if they do weight exercise they all get well. Excerise is critical.

near the end Brian goes on about the corruption of our world leaders, Bill Gates' real mission, and Monsanto.


This is a great audio talk:
http://www.hippocratesinst.org/images/sound_files/livingFoodRawFoddExpo.mp3

Sometimes Brian does yell his head off, so beware. He even talks about the superiority of juicing over blending...the science came from Miami University.

[Charybdisjim]

About the HHI and Brian Clemens


Be aware that Brian Clemens is co-director of the for profit spa and clinic referred to as the Hippocrates Health Institute. He is selling the same thing he is claiming to be a scientific authority on. The self-interest bias involved is more direct even than the sort one might see from outside labs hired by pharmaceutical companies to run drug trials. When he says things like "I know this because I'm a scientist" this is insufficient on its own but when it is coupled with the self-interest motivation it is even worse. Were we to take his word at his expertise, this would still be akin to Thomas Edison saying that D/C power was superior to A/C power distribution, and oh by the way you should buy his D/C power systems and not Tesla's dangerous A/C. In this case and that we have a sales pitch disguised as scientific expertise; if as with Edison's pitch it may also be disingenuous and mostly wrong.

The HHI being referred to is the Hippocrates Health Instutute, a spa and treatment center in West Palm Beach FL. I would not fault their program as unhelpful but the basis for some of their broader claims are suspect at best. Their pure reliance on anectdotes to support their claims, lack of study data, and the profit-motivation bias regarding the information they do release has led them to be criticized by the CAM report (http://www.thecamreport.com/2007/07/anael-his-tumors-and-the-hippocrates-health-institute/), Quackwatch (http://www.quackwatch.com/04ConsumerEducation/nonrecorg.html), the National Council Against Health Fraud (http://www.ncahf.org/articles/s-z/wheatgrass.html) as well as a Katie Drummond (http://trueslant.com/katiedrummond/2009/11/19/hippocrates-health-institute-holistic-medicine/) (raw vegan health science columnist for Sphere and True/Slant). Other problems noted included the degrees used by the founder and co-directors, including degrees from now-defunct and non-acreddited schools such as Clayton College of Natural Health - now defunct and successfully sued by former students for taking tuition then closing all classes without refund.

With regard to sweet fruits

Mr. Clement either misrepresented or woefully misunderstood the article he referenced ( http://www.yalescientific.org/2011/04/research-links-sugar-consumption-fat-production-and-diabetes/) with regard to fructose and diabetes. The article stressed the role of excessive sugar consumption in the development of diabetes. It mentioned that excess levels of fructose may potentially be of even more concern than glucose alone but did not conclude in any way that fruit was not an important part of the diet. It was stressing that sugar consumption was more important in the development of type II diabetes than obesity alone. When considering what is considered to be excessive,
consider that the total carbohydrate intake of the average mail can be upwards of 330 grams (1320 calories.)

This information does suggest though that anyone consuming significant quantities of fruit while still maintaining appropriately modest sugar intake levels in total may want to consider the fructose/glucose ratios (http://foodintolerances.org/downloads/fructose-food-table.aspx) of the things they eat. When examining the provided table, it is clear that Mr. Clement is horribly misinformed about the fructose and total sugar content of carrots.

Particularly high levels of sugars in general have been linked to cancer as well though not so directly. While some of this effect is beleived to be related to greater availibility of carbohydrates for the development of cancer cells, the presence of elevated insulin levels is beleived to be more acutely and directly responsible. Elevated insulin levels have been shown to accelerate the growth and replication of cancer cells more-so than just increased blood syrum glucose levels.

There is no evidence that moderate intake of fruit sugars has an overall negative effect on health and plenty of evidence that many of these "sweet fruits" are quite beneficial parts of a healthy diet. At the same time the regular and moderate consumption of many fruits have been shown individually and in total to reduce general cancer rates. Some fruits have been demonstrated in repeated studies to more significantly reduce the incidence of specific cancares and, in some cases, improve recovery rates. An example of this would be the relationship between pomegranate and prostate cancer.

There are numerous (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/10/29/fighting-cancer-with-fruit.html)litterature (http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/5ADAY/Pages/Why5ADAY.aspx)reviews (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8841165)and studies demonstrating the positive effects of both fruit and vegetables with regard to cancer. There has also been a recent flurry of new studies re-examining and confirming the broad benefits of fruit and vegetables (https://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2010/04/07/fruit-vegetables-and-cancer-why-its-still-worth-getting-your-five-a-day/) in diet and the specific benefits of certain fruits (some of them quite sweet) in particular. And with regard to the concerns over sugar content in fruits and certain vegatbles, studies were performed which concluded no negative effects when consumed alongside fats and proteins and in modest servings.

This information together would suggest that rather than avoid fruits whether one was healthy or sick would be to be aware of the sugar content involved and to keep it in moderation. That is to say that one should not be consuming more calories than one would on any other diet and to avoid consuming too many calories in the form of fruit sugars at any one time. To avoid excessively elevated blood sugar while still obtaining sufficient variety and quantity of nutrition, dividing one's intake of sugar-containing fruits and vegetables across the day with meals and light snacks alongside sources of protein and fat (avocado and sprouts for example) is extremely helpful (https://www.caring4cancer.com/go/cancer/nutrition/questions/sugar-and-cancer-is-there-a-connection.htm). While Mr. Clement would suggest the solution is to buy his book and pay for his expensive clinic, the real advice to take away is free and probably already known to you - to seek variety and moderation in your diet.

Lower Sugar and Healing

Lower sugar levels in your diet while attempting to heal or recover is often advisable. For this one should lower their overall sugar intake in proportion to calories from protein and fats. Additionally, consuming small meals more frequently throughout the day is helpful because it reduces the resulting levels of insulin necessary at any particular time. This is however not the same thing as suggesting that all sugar sources such as fruit should be removed from the diet, particularly in the cases of long-term healing or chronic conditions.

The evidence does not support the idea that removing sugary fruits entirely from a diet when sick is helpful merely that reducing sugar consumption in proportion to fats and proteins may be helpful in some cases depending on what your normal consumption is. Variety and moderation when healthy or sick with differences of degrees depending on the situation is sound advice; scaring people about eating carrots and apples at all when sick is a disingenuous sales pitch for the speaker's product.

[MysticTree]

About the HHI and Brian Clemens


Be aware that Brian Clemens is co-director of the for profit spa and clinic referred to as the Hippocrates Health Institute. He is selling the same thing he is claiming to be a scientific authority on. The self-interest bias involved is more direct even than the sort one might see from outside labs hired by pharmaceutical companies to run drug trials. When he says things like "I know this because I'm a scientist" this is insufficient on its own but when it is coupled with the self-interest motivation it is even worse. Were we to take his word at his expertise, this would still be akin to Thomas Edison saying that D/C power was superior to A/C power distribution, and oh by the way you should buy his D/C power systems and not Tesla's dangerous A/C. In this case and that we have a sales pitch disguised as scientific expertise; if as with Edison's pitch it may also be disingenuous and mostly wrong.

The HHI being referred to is the Hippocrates Health Instutute, a spa and treatment center in West Palm Beach FL. I would not fault their program as unhelpful but the basis for some of their broader claims are suspect at best. Their pure reliance on anectdotes to support their claims, lack of study data, and the profit-motivation bias regarding the information they do release has led them to be criticized by the CAM report (http://www.thecamreport.com/2007/07/anael-his-tumors-and-the-hippocrates-health-institute/), Quackwatch (http://www.quackwatch.com/04ConsumerEducation/nonrecorg.html), the National Council Against Health Fraud (http://www.ncahf.org/articles/s-z/wheatgrass.html) as well as a Katie Drummond (http://trueslant.com/katiedrummond/2009/11/19/hippocrates-health-institute-holistic-medicine/) (raw vegan health science columnist for Sphere and True/Slant). Other problems noted included the degrees used by the founder and co-directors, including degrees from now-defunct and non-acreddited schools such as Clayton College of Natural Health - now defunct and successfully sued by former students for taking tuition then closing all classes without refund.

With regard to sweet fruits

Mr. Clement either misrepresented or woefully misunderstood the article he referenced with regard to fructose and diabetes. The article stressed the role of excessive sugar consumption in the development of diabetes. It mentioned that excess levels of fructose may potentially be of even more concern than glucose alone but did not conclude in any way that fruit was not an important part of the diet. It was stressing that sugar consumption was more important in the development of type II diabetes than obesity alone. When considering what is considered to be excessive, consider that the total carbohydrate intake of the average mail can be upwards of 330 grams (1320 calories.)

Particularly high levels of sugars in general have been linked to cancer as well though not so directly. While some of this effect is beleived to be related to greater availibility of carbohydrates for the development of cancer cells, the presence of elevated insulin levels is beleived to be more acutely and directly responsible. Elevated insulin levels have been shown to accelerate the growth and replication of cancer cells more-so than just increased blood syrum glucose levels.

There is no evidence that moderate intake of fruit sugars has an overall negative effect on health and plenty of evidence that many of these "sweet fruits" are quite beneficial parts of a healthy diet. At the same time the regular and moderate consumption of many fruits have been shown individually and in total to reduce general cancer rates. Some fruits have been demonstrated in repeated studies to more significantly reduce the incidence of specific cancares and, in some cases, improve recovery rates. An example of this would be the relationship between pomegranate and prostate cancer.

This information together would suggest that rather than avoid fruits whether one was healthy or sick would be to be aware of the sugar content involved and to keep it in moderation. That is to say that one should not be consuming more calories than one would on any other diet and to avoid consuming too many calories in the form of fruit sugars at any one time. To avoid excessively elevated blood sugar while still obtaining sufficient variety and quantity of nutrition, light snacking in between modestly sized meals would be preferable to consuming most of those calories in only two meals. Avoiding excessive total sugar consumption is also advisable. Someone receiving near or more than half their daily calories from fruit for example may wish to proportionally decrease their fruit intake while increasing the calories they get from greens and healthy fats like avocado. While Mr. Clement would suggest the solution is to buy his book and pay for his expensive clinic, the real advice to take away is free and probably already known to you - to seek variety and moderation in your diet.

Lower Sugar and Healing

Lower sugar levels in your diet while attempting to heal or recover is often advisable. For this one should lower their overall sugar intake in proportion to calories from protein and fats. Additionally, consuming small meals more frequently throughout the day is helpful because it reduces the resulting levels of insulin necessary at any particular time. This is however not the same thing as suggesting that all sugar sources such as fruit should be removed from the diet, particularly in the cases of long-term healing or chronic conditions.

The evidence does not support the idea that removing sugary fruits entirely from a diet when sick is helpful merely that reducing sugar consumption in proportion to fats and proteins may be helpful in some cases depending on what your normal consumption is. Variety and moderation when healthy or sick with differences of degrees depending on the situation is sound advice; scaring people about eating carrots and apples at all when sick is a disingenuous sales pitch for the speaker's product.

Thank goodness, at last a post addressing this from another angle. I have no scientific reasoning for not trusting him, I just don't. Every time I see him or hear him or read what he says the pictures I get in my mind are of vampires!

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

l am not convinced by Brian's sugar claims either, but l know he is onto something about the poor effect of high sugar fruits because they always run me into the ground and various people l know. But yes, he was once caught out on the sugar issue and his explanation was far from satisfactory according to the person who wrote the article. l have been investigating Brian behind the scenes by contacting and tracking down the various scientists he speaks about. l believe 70% of what he says, but some things don't seem right. l am also reading through 30 years of various medical journals to make sure he is telling the truth (will take years, but it will be good research for a future book).

One of the ex HHI workers said it is now money motivated also. Quite disappointing. l will speak to him more about this very soon.

Thanks for the links, l will read them throughly later tonight.

[Charybdisjim]

I have no scientific reasoning for not trusting him, I just don't.

Yeah you've got good instincts then. You probably have a good natural sense of when someone is either bs'ing you, browbeating you, or condescending to you and under the mistaken belief they're so clever they can get away with it.

What set off bells and red flags for me was when he started saying things like:

"I'm a scientist so I know *insert assertion here* to be true."

I found this personally offensive. I could elaborate but that might be a bit of a rant at this late hour. The short of it is that the one thing any scientist in any fields should know is that one's expertise is not supporting evidence of one's assertions. Rather the role of scientist means one should know that an assertion demands something else. In effect then this statement simultaneously offers their role as a reason to be considered credible while abdicating the most important responsibilities it entails. It's hypocrisy, it's condescending, and it's a logical fallacy.


but l know he is onto something about the poor effect of high sugar

Well that's the other thing that really frustrated me. He starts by taking things that might be or lead to good points - such as LESS sugar being good depending on what someone's diet looks like - and walks it to wholly unsupported lines which sound meant to scare you into his program.

[MysticTree]

^ ^
It's hypocrisy, it's condescending, and it's a logical fallacy.



Bang on! I don't think he'd know a scientific method if it sat up in his soup.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Yeah you've got good instincts then.
Yes. l would like to believe everything he says, but l know l must be very careful and check everything out before l start lecturing and writing books on sprouts and diet. l can't just go around saying something is true because Dr Brian says so, that is simply not good enough.


What set off bells and red flags for me was when he started saying things like:

"I'm a scientist so I know *insert assertion here* to be true."

I found this personally offensive.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, l take that with a grain of salt because l know scientists are often wrong. l don't get offended, l just smile. l just try to use my intuition and common sense, and it says Brian is largely on the right track, but things still need investigating.

What l am currently doing is organising sponsorship to get Dr Brian out to tour Australia, and l DO plan on putting him up for a couple of nights in my home [so he is trapped] so l can grill him on many questions. lf he can't provide names of these scientists [he quotes] and starts blabber, l will know straight away. l need to be 100% sure of what l am talking about. No lies or special interests from me, l want to go down the path of truth and have the research to back up what l say.

l am also going to track the professor down at the Uni of Miami and ask if the blending experiment is true. l suspect it is, but l need to be 100% sure. l will find out the truth eventually.

l do believe the Valerie Hunt research he quotes, but l am checking that out also. l haven't received a reply yet but l will keep on trying. l will continue to email, l will write letters, and l will phone up her office if need be. l need Dr Hunt to confirm what he says is correct.

He says blending makes healing slow and difficult, and that is my experience. He says that sweets fruits are no good for people not completely healthy, and that is my experience. He says that sprouts are the most nutritious foods of all, and l believe that 100%!!! He speaks highly of algae, and l believe that because l have researched it over many years also. But he does try to make out he knows more than he does and l usually know when he is not quite sure. Still...l think he is the best speaker on raw food today, he does know alot.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Bang on! I don't think he'd know a scientific method if it sat up in his soup.
Rough Georgina, very very rough. *smiles*

[Charybdisjim]

l don't get offended, l just smile.


Sorry, it offended me as a scientist. Hearing someone say "trust me, I'm a scientist" is almost painful. That's not how it works, any scientist worth their salt should know it's not how it works, and that kind of lazy condescension gives scientists a bad name.



He says blending makes healing slow and difficult, and that is my experience. He says that sweets fruits are no good for people not completely healthy, and that is my experience. He says that sprouts are the most nutritious foods of all, and l believe that 100%!!! He speaks highly of algae, and l believe that because l have researched it over many years also.

I'll give you that he did have kernels of good points in there but I think they get burried in a sensationalized sales pitch and his ultimate conclusions are too extreme and too generalized. Sweet fruits are sometimes a bad idea for people who aren't healthy, but that is dependent on the specific health problem. Sometimes its a just a matter of less sweet fruits being a good idea or focusing on fruits with a higher glucose-fructose ratio. Yes, in some cases cutting out high-sugar fruits entirely, at least temporarily and potentially for longer than that, is a good idea particularly in someone who is diabetic. In other situations specific sweet fruits might actually be helpful (pomegranate in the case of colon cancer for example.) It's more nuanced and dependent on things like the particular individual and specific health issue than he makes it sound. Nuance and uncertainty don't sell, the assurance of simple cures near universal results do.

It does sound like you're taking the right stuff out of what he said and relying on your own experiences and what works for you rather than rushing to buy what is being sold. Unfortunately I don't think that's the intent of rhetoric he uses and that the useful information is almost drowned in the sales pitch. Clearly its not entirely inaccessible, but if everyone was as able to cleave the good information from the rest as you are then they wouldn't be in business this long.


Still...l think he is the best speaker on raw food today, he does know alot.

I hope not. He's a skilled salesman and public speaker, but I think raw food needs and deserves someone speaking for it that knows just a little more and is selling a whole lot less.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

l'll sort out Dr Brian eventually. lf he is telling lies l will tell the world. lt will be a big mistake if he is. But maybe that is meant to happen...maybe Dr Brian has lessons to learn about not treating people as stupid.

Brian does say that most people have pancraetic disorders, that's why most people shouldn't be eating sweet fruit. That's my experience, but l am sure there is more to it.

l have always loved the HHI aproach to diet, it works! But if Dr Brian is lying, he'll cop it between the eyes.

[MysticTree]

But he does try to make out he knows more than he does and l usually know when he is not quite sure.

That is not good science. It's not good full-stop.
If he was a scientist and he carried out scientific studies then he would have published data instead of rhetoric.

He is a salesman first and foremost.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Brian still has done great things for the raw food world. He has gotten many people into sprouts, wheatgrass and sea vegetables, and he has gotten many off unripe fruit and store bought vegetables. l had some store bought oranges today and it sunk me...my feeling of well being went away and l felt acidic instead of alkaline inside. l slipped up and was weak (eating store bought fruit), and l paid the price.

[MysticTree]

l slipped up and was weak (eating store bought fruit), and l paid the price.

I notice how many people seem to be less and less tolerant of foods they deem to be inferior. I would like to see a study done to see how much of this is real and how much is suggestion.

[laughalways]

Thanks Charybdisjim. What you say does make sense and correlates what I have found true in my raw food diet. I have read just about every raw food book and diet type there is. Plus, I have found once my system was "clean", my body tells me what is not working. I appreciate your posts...thank you for sharing.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

I notice how many people seem to be less and less tolerant of foods they deem to be inferior. I would like to see a study done to see how much of this is real and how much is suggestion.

l didn't even think about the oranges as being inferior when l ate them. l just felt like some oranges and ate them and thought nothing else about it until l started feeling not so good. lt was then that l thought `aha', it's the unripe fruit.

[MysticTree]

How do you know they were unripe? They didn't apparently taste unripe or you would have noticed surely.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

How do you know they were unripe? They didn't apparently taste unripe or you would have noticed surely.
because the effect on my system was very different to my tree grown oranges. Also because it is not possible to pick ripe oranges and sell them at retail stores because by the time they are sold they will be spoiled. l've spoken to organic markets and farmers and l know this to be true. All fruit is picked unripe when sold in shops and farmers markets.

[MysticTree]

they do ripen off the tree though and I am sure they are better directly off the tree all ripe and perfect but I find it concerning that eating a raw diet makes someone so intolerant of other foods. You are stuffed come the revolution ... well we probably all are lol

[Living Food]

I find it concerning that eating a raw diet makes someone so intolerant of other foods.

It's really no surprise; a long-term drug user can use huge amounts of drugs without seeming adverse effects, whereas someone who has never used drugs in his/her life might have terrible reactions if they used that much at once. People in certain areas in some third-world countries can drink water that would make others unused to it sick like a dog and seemingly be no worse for the wear (although the low water quality still impacts their health, just as the drugs do to our hypothetical drug user). The same is true with food. Most people are so used to eating horrible crap that they call food on a daily basis, that they can eat it and seem to be fine - although we know that isn't true, as people are dropping from various chronic diseases left and right in industrialized countries like America. As you eat a cleaner and cleaner diet, you lose your tolerance to the non-foods that most people eat, until eating them might make you feel very unwell. If you eat just about the best diet possible (sproutarianism), you will probably eventually become so sensitive to inferior food that even something like unripe fruit will make you uncomfortable. I have heard that it is dangerous for breatharians to be in areas with lots of smog and air pollution, they are so purified. Although I don't know if that's true or not, I kind of doubt it but maybe Mr Raw knows since he knows many almost-breatharians.


You are stuffed come the revolution ... well we probably all are lol

Doubtful; a sproutarian is actually the best off, because he/she requires almost know food compared to just about everyone else. After being a sproutarian for a handful of years you cold survive solely on weed juice made in a manual juicer if necessary, and if you lost your juicer or it broke you could just chew the weeds thoroughly and spit out the pulp. Throw in lots of meditation (my weak poitn right now) and you could eventually require no solid food whatsoever, although for right now I'm quite fond of my weed and sprout juices and feel like I need them for healing my body.

[MysticTree]

I don't really buy that analogy but we'll agree to disagree I think ... too much effort involved otherwise.

[Raw Angel Mom]

I think this is important to take and leave in many raw foodist so called expert.

Dr. Ann Wigmore is one of the rare ones that was integrity. She originally founded the Hippocrate of Institute. She never supported supplementation and was against it. Check on her site (google Ann Wigmore Costa Rica), you won't find any supplement. She believes in energy soup, wheat grass, doing enema, going back to nature etc... She was an amazing women for what i heard.


Don't get me wrong, i am glad that many go to hyppocrate institute because it is a start and again, some of his clients didn't succeed to get rid of their cancer fully or health condition and became dr. Robert Morse client which he succeed to reverse their condition. Some people like me, need to dig deeper and doing sprout/greens isn't enough for us. It is is a start but not enough.

Anyway, people are where they need to be and if doing supplement is what they believe then so be it.

If you bless your food, you will eat a far more different level of that food with higher vibration. Research what dr. Emoto did with the water. If you can change the structure with water, with a simple "Thank you", imagine what it cans do to a high water content food.

Just my thought!

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Dr. Ann Wigmore is one of the rare ones that was integrity. She originally founded the Hippocrate of Institute. She never supported supplementation and was against it. Check on her site (google Ann Wigmore Costa Rica), you won't find any supplement. She believes in energy soup, wheat grass, doing enema, going back to nature etc... She was an amazing women for what i heard.
That's why Dr Ann was my favourite. She first got me into sprouting, and not soon after l discovered Kulvinskas who also talked about cheap and easy living.

Dr Brian is so full on with supplements and his site is full of them these days. He even sprays stuff up his nose every morning and takes 5 form of algaes, and takes 20 digestive enzymes each day. lt's too much!



Don't get me wrong, i am glad that many go to hyppocrate institute because it is a start and again, some of his clients didn't succeed to get rid of their cancer fully or health condition and became dr. Robert Morse client which he succeed to reverse their condition.
l wonder why they didn't succeed either. l would doubt the food failed them, l think it may have been their attitude toward the food. Maybe the thought of eating raw sprouts, grass, algae and sea weed for the rest of their lives scared these SAD people and made them miserable. Maybe Dr Brian blew them out with too much intensity and they felt overwhelmed and felt they couldn't do it. l think the thought of doing Dr Morses way seemed easier for them so they were more positive towards it. l would be highly doubtful it was the diet which failed them, it would be the attitude towards the diet me think.



Some people like me, need to dig deeper and doing sprout/greens isn't enough for us. It is is a start but not enough.
Does unripe fruit really dig deeper though? lt also has alot less nutrients. l'm just curious why you think this?




If you bless your food, you will eat a far more different level of that food with higher vibration. Research what dr. Emoto did with the water. If you can change the structure with water, with a simple "Thank you", imagine what it cans do to a high water content food.
yes.

[Raw Angel Mom]

The Sproutarian (Mr Raw);703890]That's why Dr Ann was my favourite. She first got me into sprouting, and not soon after l discovered Kulvinskas who also talked about cheap and easy living.

Dr Brian is so full on with supplements and his site is full of them these days. He even sprays stuff up his nose every morning and takes 5 form of algaes, and takes 20 digestive enzymes each day. lt's too much!



l wonder why they didn't succeed either. l would doubt the food failed them, l think it may have been their attitude toward the food. Maybe the thought of eating raw sprouts, grass, algae and sea weed for the rest of their lives scared these SAD people and made them miserable. Maybe Dr Brian blew them out with too much intensity and they felt overwhelmed and felt they couldn't do it. l think the thought of doing Dr Morses way seemed easier for them so they were more positive towards it. l would be highly doubtful it was the diet which failed them, it would be the attitude towards the diet me think.


I don't have the answer but for what i know, if your kidney aren't back in good health, or your gland aren't back to function normally, or poor dna, and you still have congestion with your lymphatic system or whatever reason, then you will need to dig deeper. For myself, i found going back with fruits recommended by dr. Morse, did more improvement but my water fast, truly made a huge difference. I was pack with parasites too, and they came out after 7 days water fast.




Does unripe fruit really dig deeper though? lt also has alot less nutrients. l'm just curious why you think this?

I don't support unripe fruit neither dr. Morse but sometime you need to do what you can with what you have. For instance, when i buy my oranges, i let them rest by the sun and when i start smelling sweet, then i have that. Sometime, you can be lucky and have good orange right of way. I believe in the power of intention, love and blessings. This is spiritual view but logically, a cell need energy, this energy isn't necessary obtain from food but from a life force. I won't go in detail and leave that but if you have a plant that isn't doing so well, try to place your hand on the pot and somehow, send appreciation or love to this plant? Something will happen. You can do the same with your sprout.

I won't eat an unripe fruit but if it has ripped on its own, i will. I am true believer to eat mostly the fruit of your area but, i don't mind a nice exotic fruit at time, lol.... i so love fruits


ps By the way, i deeply respect dr. Wigmore, too me, she was a blessing to all of us. But again, i take a leave. I might do her energy soup, but i don't like mixing too much stuff at once.

[Living Food]

By the way, i deeply respect dr. Wigmore, too me, she was a blessing to all of us. But again, i take a leave. I might do her energy soup, but i don't like mixing too much stuff at once.

Yeah, she was an amazing woman. I agree with you about mixing too many things at once though, and I think it's a shame that she advocated blending over juicing. I think that she would have gotten even better results juicing green sprouts instead of blending them, but I feel that she was just going with the science of the time and advocated blending because of the fiber. She also said she thought juicing was too cleansing, and it is far more cleansing then blending, but that's why you start out slowly and work your way up to lots of sprout juice every day. Overall though, she did us all a huge service by making this lifestyle popular and bringing it to mainstream attention. I too deeply respect her.

[MysticTree]

And just as when you bless the food it makes it better, when you curse it, so it is likely to make you feel ill.

[Raw Angel Mom]

And just as when you bless the food it makes it better, when you curse it, so it is likely to make you feel ill.

Yes


Research dr. Emoto. His experiment were mainly with water but it did one with rice.

Three bottle of cook rice

One left alone
The other were said you are a "Fool"
The other were said "Thank you" (not completely sure but it was something nice)

The rice that was said a nice thing didn't rot
The one with a "Fool" did

The one that was ignored was the worst

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Someone did a youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPdi-qF79I0


http://www.positive-thinking-principles.com/positive-thinking-power.html

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You can always try for yourself

[MysticTree]

I will try to look at those tomorrow. Mobile phone battery is to low this evening. If you take this way of thinking to its logical conclusion it would explain perhaps why some people get ill on a piece of shop bought fruit whilst others thrive. If a person repeatedly says a shop bought piece of fruit is one of the worst things you can eat then for that person it probably will be.

[Charybdisjim]

Oh yeah I remember hearing about Emoto before.

http://www.facebook.com/events/200349989986190/

Interesting fellow.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Yeah, she was an amazing woman. I agree with you about mixing too many things at once though, and I think it's a shame that she advocated blending over juicing. I think that she would have gotten even better results juicing green sprouts instead of blending them, but I feel that she was just going with the science of the time and advocated blending because of the fiber. She also said she thought juicing was too cleansing, and it is far more cleansing then blending, but that's why you start out slowly and work your way up to lots of sprout juice every day. Overall though, she did us all a huge service by making this lifestyle popular and bringing it to mainstream attention. I too deeply respect her.

l feel quite certain that Wigmore promoted blending because of her thrifty nature. She knew juicing was better, but she was going through far too many sprouts at the intitute and it was taking too much time growing and attending to them all (not much help in the early days at HHI), so she did blending instead to cut down on sprouts and time. But she did mainly juicing for herself up until to switched to blended energy soup in the late 1980's. Near the end of her life it was said that she lived on blended weeds for much of her food. She was able to run up stairs as an old lady with ease, but towards to final years she was slowing down alittle [according to reports of people who were close friends of hers]. She ate one meal a day [l believe], slept 2 - 3 hours most nights and used to do 30 inch long wheatgrass implants at least once a day without fail, maybe even twice a day if she had time. So yes, she still had her juices later in life, but from the other end.

When she was at the old Boston HHI she lived in this huge old mansion with her patients, and she worked day and night and never stopped. She used to drag massive 100 pound sacks of seeds up three flights of stairs and down the other end of the mansion and sometimes spend half a day doing it. When the phone would ring she would have to answer it, so she was running up and down the stairs all throughout day as well, and she also had to plant all the microgreens and do the sprouts....all this in her 50's and older. + after all that hard work she would right books until the middle of the night, much of her stuff wasn't published because the drug companies were always dragging her into court trying to shut her down, but she wrote loads and loads of stuff. She would also give the AIDS patients hardcore green smoothies with lots of weeds and microgreens, enemas and wheatgrass juice and they would get well. She was a strong lady with boundless energy. Her story is incredible.

She also wrote a story of her life called `Why Suffer', but that has been out of print for close to 20 years. l was lucky enough to get a copy through a fellow l helped with the sprouts in the 90's.

Here are some photos of Dr Ann sent to me recently that you won't find online (a big memorial and tribute is happening in her honour in a a few weeks time in Lithuania)
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b151/Marc_au/Ron1/Ron2/Ron%204/Ron%205/Ron%206/AnnWigmore6.jpg

Sproutman and Dr Ann: no sags on Wigmore's face, just solid muscle.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b151/Marc_au/Ron1/Ron2/Ron%204/Ron%205/Ron%206/AnnWigmore5.jpg

Dr Brian with Dr Ann. In her 70's there and had a face with great muscle tone.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b151/Marc_au/Ron1/Ron2/Ron%204/Ron%205/Ron%206/AnnWigmore2.jpg

We owe this lady so much for the knowledge she left everyone. Her grand mother taught her the power of grasses. Dr Ann was sick and had gangrene of the legs, they were actually rotting away and she couldn't walk. So her family left her out in the sun each day. She started eating the lawn grass (spitting out the pulp) because she couldn't move and that's all she had to eat and she noticed a fast improvement in her legs with a few weeks. Then she remembered grandmother's old teachings about the healing powers of grass and leaves, it was then that Ann wigmore the healer was born.

Her family were so creul to her, especially her uncle. She was treated worse than a slave. In America she was forced to work 20 hours a day in a dark factory and was never paid a cent. Her uncle said she should be satisfied that she has room and a bed. She was even humiliated by being forced to drag heavy carts through the town and walk miles with them. Her life was shocking.

Joyce Oliveto (was mentored by Dr Ann) talks about Ann's life in a four part link (great link):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wroj0kPw_TQ

All these folks were the real deal. These days the movement is watered down so it sells better and is littered with posers and the strong message of eating fresh has almost disappeared. Wigmore kept it real!

[Raw Angel Mom]

Yeah, she was an amazing woman. I agree with you about mixing too many things at once though, and I think it's a shame that she advocated blending over juicing. I think that she would have gotten even better results juicing green sprouts instead of blending them, but I feel that she was just going with the science of the time and advocated blending because of the fiber. She also said she thought juicing was too cleansing, and it is far more cleansing then blending, but that's why you start out slowly and work your way up to lots of sprout juice every day. Overall though, she did us all a huge service by making this lifestyle popular and bringing it to mainstream attention. I too deeply respect her.

One of her staff, had to go to the emergency to remove a stone from a bladder that got release. This was due to fast detoxification. She didn't promote juice only because she felt that you need to trust the process and take your time. She had a good point but at the end, we need to do what feels right to us, i now believe in juicing without necessary feeling that everyone is ready for that. Meaning, i would go with smoothie first before doing juicing. Nothing is good to over stress your body. Someone that start raw food as a child or teenager, has more advantage then someone that start past 30, 40, 50... I feel that dr. Wigmore approach is a very safe approach. Many people who go in raw food, have a long history with cook food. I haven't done juicing sprout yet, but i will. You have convinced me and mr. Raw.

All the best!

[Raw Angel Mom]

I will try to look at those tomorrow. Mobile phone battery is to low this evening. If you take this way of thinking to its logical conclusion it would explain perhaps why some people get ill on a piece of shop bought fruit whilst others thrive. If a person repeatedly says a shop bought piece of fruit is one of the worst things you can eat then for that person it probably will be.

I most the time enjoy preparing food for others and many time, i receive the complement that the food taste amazing (no matter what i did, cook or raw or vegan). I remembered one time, i came back from work, i was eating vegetarian then but cook style. I didn't feel like cooking and i was very drain out and not in a good space. I prepare a delicious meal but my friend thought it was horrible,... So i do feel that our emotion do get mix while food preparation. If we bless our food, it will cancel out. Dr. Emoto was able to do this with water. You will have horrible water but then it would form beautiful crystal with prayer or word of gratitude.

Anyway, it is interesting.

[Raw Angel Mom]

Mr Raw, dr. Wigmore didn't promote juice because of the dangerous side effect you could have with certain people. Many people cannot do juicing right of way. If you have been doing raw food a lot or are young or you haven't abuse your body too much, yes perhaps. Some people ended in surgery due to stone release and getting stock etc.... She believed by observing nature that nature is patience and we need also to be patient. She had a point. She did take wheat grass juice. She was quite wise and very gently soul. I wished, i would have meet her.

p.s Who got you into juicing sprout????

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Mr Raw, dr. Wigmore didn't promote juice because of the dangerous side effect you could have with certain people.
Excellent point. l think she promoted green smoothie for a variety of reasons.


p.s Who got you into juicing sprout????
l used to juice alot of micro greens years ago and wanted to do it again (now) because l wanted to take raw food to the highest level possible. But since l got the new juicer l am juicing a larger variety of sprouts and probably drinking more juice than l ever have done. l want to see where this journey takes me. lt's amazing what you forget when you stop doing something for a long time (the power of juicing), but Dr Clement reminded me that we need to be consuming large amounts of sprout juice each day if we really want to do raw at the highest levels.

+ l juice green sprouts because of all the mercury vapours releasing from my fillings and all the environmental pollution. Green juice does a great job of combating the negative effects, that's why my pineal gland has gotten much better. In sum; l do green juice for nourishment, detox, pineal gland enhancement and to combat nasty toxins. lt works! Can't speak highly enough about it.

Since juicing my third eye has really benefited. lt's amazing now.

When the warm weather comes along l will get into mung bean sprout juice for a few months.

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l try to do a minimum of 24oz of green sprout juice a day and 6 oz of grass juice. On bad days l sometimes get as low as 16 oz of green sprout juice anmd 3 oz of grass juice. But on my best days when l really thrive l do 32oz of green sprout juice and 6 oz of grass juice...this tells me that l am still healing and l need to be aiming for this amount each day, so 38oz of juice each day.

l was planning on living on green juice, but now l am not so sure. l live in the modern world and are busy doing lots of things, so l should stick with a more varied diet for a while yet. Living on green juices can be done, but it is so extreme, and if l did that l might not be able to go back to eating again. l don't know what the future holds and l think it would be sad if l restricted myself so much at this time because things like eating freshly picked blueberries and various fruits during summer may be impossible. But the real concern is...if l lived on green juice and my juicer broke down, l may not be able to eat anything until l bought a new one. l think l should keep my options open by eating some food, blending some food (short blending time) and juicing most of my food. l am going to back to blending bird seed sprouts (millet) for a while and eating sprouted sesame seed sprouts and doing lots of exercise along with loads of sprout juice, some sea vegies and algaes. The biggest problem l have at the moment is that l am not doing enough of certain resistance exercises, so some parts of me are quite thin and other areas are quite muscley, so l need to eat alittle more beefy foods (sprouted grains and sesame/nuts) for a while until l do the lifestyle properly. When l get the exercise routine really happening l will then try cutting out the grains/beans and just eat one meal a day (sprouted sesame/flax) and do juices the rest of the time. l have been comfortably eating one meal a day for a while, but it will be two meals a day until the exercise routine is solid and becomes habit.

l have got to say that grass juice is the cornerstone of the sprout based diet and everyone should be consuming it most days. Without grass juice the diet is lacking and not the same. lt is sooo important. The next most important thing is other micro green juices followed by green sprout juices.

[Living Food]

When the warm weather comes along l will get into mung bean sprout juice for a few months.

Juicing mung beans...do you mean grow them as a microgreen? Or just grow them longer so that they become a green sprout like alfalfa?

I have to say, even though I'm sorry that you have limited access to many sprouts, the innovations that is causing are quite interesting and useful.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Juicing mung beans...do you mean grow them as a microgreen? Or just grow them longer so that they become a green sprout like alfalfa?

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l will fully grow them to rabbit ear stage, and will slightly green them for half a day [in indirect light] because l will be juicing them. lf l was eatiung them they would never see sunlight, but it is different when you juice them. l will also do adzuki bean sprout juice. l'll probably do the juice about four times a week.

[Living Food]

So yes, she still had her juices later in life, but from the other end.

LOL.


She also wrote a story of her life called `Why Suffer', but that has been out of print for close to 20 years. l was lucky enough to get a copy through a fellow l helped with the sprouts in the 90's.

I've read it - a very good book. She really did live an amazing life. Anyone else who is interested, I found a free copy online here (http://www.whale.to/a/whysuffer.pdf), and it's not one of those illegal download things either (I never use those).


One of her staff, had to go to the emergency to remove a stone from a bladder that got release. This was due to fast detoxification. She didn't promote juice only because she felt that you need to trust the process and take your time.

Yes, I also think that you should never jump right into juicing, I don't promote juice fasting when someone first goes raw either. If you have years and years of toxins in your body, dumping them all into your bloodstream at once obviously isn't a good idea. Water fasting right after going raw is even worse.

BUT, both (sprout) juice and water fasting have amazing benefits if done right, so if you slowly start to incorporate some sprout juices in your diet you can eventually work your way up to the amounts Mr Raw and I are drinking every day with no problems. And after you have sufficiently detoxified from being on this diet for a long time you can even do water fasts with no problem. You just shouldn't start out living on juice or water, the body doesn't like extreme changes.


l will fully grow them to rabbit ear stage, and will slightly green them for half a day [in indirect light] because l will be juicing them. lf l was eatiung them they would never see sunlight, but it is different when you juice them. l will also do adzuki bean sprout juice. l'll probably do the juice about four times a week.

I might try that myself. I am hesitant to grow just any sprout as a green, but I know that you know what you're doing.

[Living Food]

p.s Who got you into juicing sprout????

Technically, Mr raw. But In my opinion, lots of blended sprouts can be great for health and detox, but lots of sprout juice is great for spirituality and the best thing there is for health + detox. It makes a huge difference the amount of nutrients you can absorb and utilize if you juice rather then blend, and when you blend your digestive system still has to work very hard to digest all of that food, whereas juicing allows you to conserve so much energy, rest your body, and not waste a large portion of the nutrients that you are getting in digestion. Again, though, you shouldn't start out juicing 32 oz of green sprouts a day, start slowly and work your way up to it. Blended food has nothing on sprout juices.

I wonder if blenders were made differently back in Dr. Wigmore's day? It is interesting how she had such great results form blended food, although it seems to me that she mostly juiced the weeds (from what I remember of her autobiography).

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

A blender is essential when first starting out raw.

l need to be careful when recommending juicing because l sometimes forget that some folks are more toxic. Blending on 100% raw for many months really cleans you out nicely and prepares you well for juicing. l never went back to the wheatgrass juice straight away either...it scared me because l knew how sick l would have got.

[Living Food]

A blender is essential when first starting out raw.

l need to be careful when recommending juicing because l sometimes forget that some folks are more toxic. Blending on 100% raw for many months really cleans you out nicely and prepares you well for juicing. l never went back to the wheatgrass juice straight away either...it scared me because l knew how sick l would have got.

I was eager and foolish and went from no sprout juice to lots of it in just a few weeks, and I did pay a slight price, but I had already been raw for over a year and done lots of cleanses so I didn't have many problems. I'm actually glad I did that, because otherwise I would have had to wait much much longer to feel as good as I do now. But nobody should do that if they're coming off of an SAD diet. This is a nice, easy, and safe way (http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?68827-Sprouting-for-Juicing&p=699452&highlight=#post699452) to start off and not be overwhelmed by having to tend to lots of sprouts at once. You can probably progress faster then that too if you've been raw for a while, and still not have any complications.

[Raw Angel Mom]

Thank you for your replies

Hey, mr Raw, you got your juicer finally, which one did you get?????

[Ravenna]

Yes, I also think that you should never jump right into juicing, I don't promote juice fasting when someone first goes raw either. If you have years and years of toxins in your body, dumping them all into your bloodstream at once obviously isn't a good idea. Water fasting right after going raw is even worse.

That's how I got in trouble. I was not even raw yet - it is so difficult for me to go raw... on and off, on and off for last year - and after watching "Fat, Sick and nearly Dead" I thought that maybe if I go on juice fast for few days it will be easier for me to go raw. I felt wonderful but on 5th or 6th day I've got bad acne breakout on my cheeks and neck. I thought it will go away if I continue to stay on juice fast but it was getting worse. I started eating on 12th day with a little bit of transition to normal foods. I understood that it was detox. Since then I'm trying to cure what I've done and cannot do it.

I did try lymphatic drainage massage, did not help a bit. Now I was told that my liver "blocked somehow"... I do not know what to do. Since fasting is no good (I understand after reading this thread) can anybody advice me on what I can do to clear up my skin. I'm a little bit afraid to continue incorporating raw foods but do it anyway. I drink green smoothies every day and eat sprouts sometimes (cannot quite get microgreens going but learning and trying).

Any input appreciated. Thanks for very informative thread!

[Living Food]

Your liver eliminates toxins from the body through the portal vein, which leads directly to the colon; if your liver is blocked, most likely what that means is that your colon is not eliminating toxins like it should, which is very common - people coming off of the SAD diet frequently have none of their organs working 100%. A colon cleanse should help a lot - I think Dr Richard Schulze's formulas are very effective, although there are undoubtedly many other good ones out there too. Enemas and colonics are also effective, although not as much so. Doing all three is best, but if colonics are too expensive skipping them won't hurt.

Second, our livers very frequently become overloaded in this toxic world. A liver cleanse would also help a lot, but always do the colon cleanse first - if the colon isn't cleansed, cleansing the liver will just cause all of the toxins to back up and recirculate into your bloodstream. That's undoubtedly what happened to you on your juice fast; the toxins were released form various places where they were trapped, such as fat cells, but your organs of elimination were impaired and you couldn't get the toxins out of your body through the normal channels. When that happens, acne is a frequent result because your body is trying to remove the toxins through the skin.

The main organs of elimination are the liver, kidneys, colon, and the lungs. The skin also plays a role. Exercise is very important for detoxifying because it moves the lymph (doubly important because the lymph system does not have a pump like our blood, you have to move to move it), causes you to breathe very hard (increased detox via the lungs) and causes you to sweat (detox through the skin). Rebounding is the most effective form of exercise for detox, and is the only known exercise to stimulate ever single cell in the human body.

2 ebooks that explain the role of the colon and liver n the body and how to detoxify + support them:

https://herbdocblog.com/book-view/8/

https://herbdocblog.com/book-view/7/

A fairly comprehensive ebook on detox and how to regain your health - just completely ignore the diet part of it, and the recommendation to immediately start fasting:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/naturalcures.pdf

^ The writing style is also pretty bad, in my opinion, but the information is good - and that's what counts.


I'm a little bit afraid to continue incorporating raw foods but do it anyway.

You should still go raw, that way you will be putting very few toxins in your body - putting more toxins in your body (through cooked + processed foods) will just make it take longer to get rid of your acne.

By the way, you can still juice - It'll actually help. But only juice a little at first and DON'T FAST on juice.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Thank you for your replies

Hey, mr Raw, you got your juicer finally, which one did you get?????
The Angel 7500. An excellent juicer and well worth it sinse l go to the trouble of growing so many sprouts.

[Living Food]

I drink green smoothies every day and eat sprouts sometimes (cannot quite get microgreens going but learning and trying).

Alfalfa, clover, fenugreek, broccoli...many green sprouts can be grown in jars rather then on soil. Eat as many as possible.

I'm thinking about getting a new juicer myself - I'd get the Green Star, but not sure if I like having magnets messing with my food...

[laughalways]

I most the time enjoy preparing food for others and many time, i receive the complement that the food taste amazing (no matter what i did, cook or raw or vegan). I remembered one time, i came back from work, i was eating vegetarian then but cook style. I didn't feel like cooking and i was very drain out and not in a good space. I prepare a delicious meal but my friend thought it was horrible,... So i do feel that our emotion do get mix while food preparation. If we bless our food, it will cancel out. Dr. Emoto was able to do this with water. You will have horrible water but then it would form beautiful crystal with prayer or word of gratitude.

Anyway, it is interesting.

How right you are. I think intention with everything as well as food is important. I know that has happened to me. Thanks for reminding us of this.

[delmar]

A blender is essential when first starting out raw.

l need to be careful when recommending juicing because l sometimes forget that some folks are more toxic. Blending on 100% raw for many months really cleans you out nicely and prepares you well for juicing. l never went back to the wheatgrass juice straight away either...it scared me because l knew how sick l would have got.I have never owned a good blender because I don't spend a lot of money on such things. So far I mostly eat sprouts, greens and fruit, and juice grass and weeds. I am not all raw but I am increasing my raw intake, little by little.

[Ravenna]

Thank you so much for the replies! I will read all you advised to read and do a detox(es) as soon as I can get the supplies. Thank you all for your information and your stories, it means so much when you know that you are not alone!

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

I have never owned a good blender because I don't spend a lot of money on such things. So far I mostly eat sprouts, greens and fruit, and juice grass and weeds. I am not all raw but I am increasing my raw intake, little by little.

Well, a blender isn't really essential, but it makes things alot easier if you want to consume alot of sprouts. Takes too long to eat large bowls of sprouts.

Keep on doing what you are doing Delmar; if you are eating some sprouts and juicing you are doing well.

[Non]

brian clement presents the science behind the raw foods that are heavily promoted by raw food leaders but best avoided or at least eaten in moderation. He'll hit you hard between the eyes and smash old myths with this talk, so be prepared. Even if you don't want to do all these things, l think it's good to be aware of the stuff he says.

Some things he speaks about in this brilliant audio covers some of the following:
* avoid honey and eat the bee pollen instead because that’s where all the nutrients are.
* talks about the problems with honey, maple syrup, agave nectar and xylitol.
* why most people shouldn't be eating coconuts and their oils
* explains how sweet fruits are mainly unripe and how they feed cancer that can be traced via `pet scans'. (only eat from the tree and never store bought, and only eat fruits if you are healthy)
* talks about how sweet fruits (most of them) can feed tumours in unhealthy people (only healthy people should be eating tree picked fruit).
* fruit, carrot and beet juice were taken out of the hhi program in the early 80’s because people were not healing 100% (the three of them are fructose rich). As soon as the sweet foods were taken away people started to heal properly. The sugars caused cancer, viral diseases, bacterial problems, low blood sugar (hypoglycemia) and high blood sugar (diabetes). Not only did people heal better, but they also healed much quicker.
* 9,000 women who had osteoporosis didn’t get over osteoporosis if they ate the sprout diet, but if they do weight exercise they all get well. Excerise is critical.

Near the end brian goes on about the corruption of our world leaders, bill gates' real mission, and monsanto.


This is a great audio talk:
http://www.hippocratesinst.org/images/sound_files/livingfoodrawfoddexpo.mp3

sometimes brian does yell his head off, so beware. He even talks about the superiority of juicing over blending...the science came from miami university.


lol. Yeaa!!!!

[Non]

I'm not too much in agreement with his talk. He says fats can be really bad. I am not in agreement, since I've experienced it myself. At first coming from a high carb diet, if you go to a lower carb higher fat diet at first you may feel sluggish but give it some time and your body starts to utilize it much more efficiently. That's what I've experienced and many other low carbers of carnivorous diets also feel, not to mention the protein that usually comes with that, but IMO it's about the healthy fats.

As for fruits, I think fruits in small amounts are ok and if not sometimes necessary for the liver , which stores fructose.

IMO I like Gabriel Cousens diet, his 3 phase plan.

[Non]

I get a weird vibe from Brian Clement. As much as I like the Hippocrates Institute (I'm in FL too) for it's emphasis on sprouts and wheatgrass, he seems like.. dogmatic or something.

Fruits aren't bad sure unless you pick them straight from a tree but to say all fruits because of their "sugar" is not right. Sure one has to limit it, especially when the body is not healthy but the body does need some amount of fructose. For the liver and even for sexual function fructose is required.

Gabriel Cousens has had much success in treating diabetics. In the first phase of his diet he allows a small amount of low glycemic fruit (berries except for blackberries and grapefruit) in salads or small amount of carrot/beets in large salads. This works. He probably starts you out with more of the sprouted legumes though (not chickpea). Then the rest I mention here is allowed.. I don't know exactly if there is a specific order of exposure, I haven't read about that. But he says sprouted legumes are good for diabetics. I don't know if the carrot/beets come next and then eventually moving on to the fruit or if the fruit comes first.

[bcrunner]

what you guys think about Brian's recommendation on food combining?

The one I'm confused about is not eating fruits with vegetables. i.e. the green smoothies (1-3 piece of fruit w/ leafy green) I eat daily he would recommend against due to the foods I combine in them.