An important reason why we need to sprout wild seeds - the future of raw is doomed

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

You may think that is an extreme title, but nothing could be further from the truth, and i've been meaning to post this for 12 months. This thread is so important that l got out of bed to make this. In 2009 there was a bill put to U.S parliament called the Farm Bill S510 Food Safety Modernization Act. This act would effectively give the U.S government the power to outlaw all small farms and growing fruit and vegetable gardens in all backyards without a special licence. The real purpose of the bill was give complete power to Monsanto by only allowing large farms to be the only farms allowed to exist. The reason for this is so the large farms are forced to buy GM seeds from [mainly] Monsanto and about four or five other major GM seed businesses. Well, the bill failed this time, but rest assured, IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN SOON!!! Monsanto will bribe some of the heads of the U.S government to introduce the bill and have it passed by giving Congress only half a day to vote on a 1,000+ page bill, but naturally the senators won't have the time to read it so the top politicians will lie to them about what's in the bill and say it's for the good of mankind, so they will vote it in. But next time when they introduce the bill they will be smarter about it...they will introduce it at Christmas time when most people are on holidays (parliament always does that when they want a bill against the publics interest introduced) and they will pass it without no public knowledge.

If you don't believe me, listen to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gx5CjUD3-E

And if you don't believe that, here is the 1,000+ page bill. Pay close attention to section 3 which is the definitions portion of the bill. Also read section 103, 206 and 207s completely.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h875/text

Here is a short blog which explains the bill:
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=12671

That's why l have now started looking to nature for my food, because the time is soon coming where all our fruit, vegies and sprouts will be GM, and that is when planes fly over and scan the farms and backyards for any gardens so the authorities can destroy them. The algaes will also be a thing of the past if Codex is implemented globally.



And when it happens in the U.S, it will happen all over the world because Monsanto wants to sell GM seed to all the world.

Just an quick note on organic foods i've been meaning to post for ages:
“"Organic" food is no longer safe. The FDA and USDA have colluded in approving the neurotoxin 'Neotame' which may be even more toxic than aspartame. No labeling will be required, nor will it be listed in the ingredients. It will be used in USDA certified "organic" processed food and cattle feed. [The only hope of escape is to raise our own food or buy from local growers who do not use such chemicals – which is why Congress recently passed legislation that eventually will put small-scale organic growers out of business.] FarmWars 2010 Dec 31”
http://www.realityzone.com/saveandprint.html

This is only the start of watering down of organic, so now the time has come to start sprouting wild weed seeds...that's the only way we will be able to consume healthy food in the future.

[MysticTree]

I think the sooner mankind is wiped out the better. Maybe we should embracing the bad food to speed that future along. Mankind is the least positive thing to walk the earth. God speed the rook.

[Living Food]

I think the sooner mankind is wiped out the better. Maybe we should embracing the bad food to speed that future along. Mankind is the least positive thing to walk the earth.

That's a very negative view. Yes, as a race we have done terrible things, and continue to do so, but all we have to do is all focus on self-improvement and eventually every human will be an amazing being.

If we all eat bad food we will just become worse and worse, if everyone ate sprouts and juiced lots of sprouts we wouldn't have this problem, but everyone has to learn on their own.

It's because of things like bad food and many dozens of other negative influences which I won't list right now that the majority of mankind is in such a low state spiritually that we do these horrible things.

[MysticTree]

It's not negative to want positive things for the earth. You don't say that the original post is a negative outlook.

[laughalways]

Mankind is evolving and will be a better race in the future. There is a changing consciousness...that is really what the whole 2012 issue is about anyway. We can be the change now...its all about each individual and what they put forth.

[Living Food]

Mankind is evolving and will be a better race in the future. There is a changing consciousness...that is really what the whole 2012 issue is about anyway. We can be the change now...its all about each individual and what they put forth.

Exactly.


It's not negative to want positive things for the earth.

Us dying off really wouldn't be positive for the Earth, but I can only explain that by talking about lots of spiritual stuff that you wouldn't believe anyway, so I'll pass.


You don't say that the original post is a negative outlook.

Information is information, not inherently negative or positive (although it may have positive or negative implications). What Mr Raw is saying about certain people wanting to make all food GM and prevent people from growing food is true. I don't believe that they will suceed, so maybe you could say it's a negative outlook to think that they will. But the information itself is true.

You saying that you essentially want mankind to be wiped out IS negative, and maybe a little disturbing... (just joking with you about the disturbing part).

[Living Food]

And when it happens in the U.S, it will happen all over the world because Monsanto wants to sell GM seed to all the world.

That's what the "Green Revolution" was all about. Most of the "charity" being given to third world countries in the form of crops is really just forcing them to eat GM food, and eliminating their traditional foods, and small farmers all of the agriculture in those countries becomes centralized and industrialized, just like what is being forced upon the rest of the world.

That's the goal, at any rate, but people are starting to wake up and buy local + organic (so now they're co-opting organic, like Mr Raw said, but they'll never suceed in co-opting local, organic food) and there have been multiple efforts to label GM foods recently, all of which have failed due to bribes or threats from biotech companies, but even if such a law won't be passed by our politicians (it almost certainly won't), a grass-roots movement has already been born and individual people are starting to resist this agenda. The "masses" still have a lot of waking up to do, but eventually we will prevail.

The real problem is centralization, because that has put all of the power in people who don't care about much of anything but money and power, but the evil few will always be outweighed by the good majority - hence all of the distractions, toxic foods, propaganda + brainwashing, etc that are serving to keep the average person completely clueless as to what's happening, and completely powerless to stop it. It's an awesome arrangement - feed us toxic food that makes us sick, then when we get sick all of our money is bled dry by the absurdly expensive and mostly useless healthcare industry (and they give us drugs that make us sicker), and tax us to take away what little money we might have left, etc etc. There's so much more to it, but I'll stop there - I'm sure you get the point. The whole system is intended to keep us powerless, but all we have to do is go back to a local and decentralized system. A barter economy, for example, in addition to growing all of the food you need and making everyhitng you need locally - really not that hard, it was the norm a couple centuries ago - would make a community completely self-sufficient and if the whole world became like that we'd be out of this mess.

[MysticTree]

The future of raw food is doomed is not a positive statement. It is not information. It is opinion. Meantime my view is negative and the OP's isn't. The earth will manage much better without mankind who show no signs of evolving to be much better as far as I can see. A few want to live more responsibly but when push comes to shove those will be the ones who are crushed by the powerful who won't realise that by crushing those who can take us forward responsibly they are sealing their own fate. We are entering a global food shortage at the moment according to the press over here. Allotment requests are soaring and people are being encouraged to grown their own food and suggest sites that can be used for allotments. If as OP suggests we will be slung in jail for growing our own food then how will sprouting weed seeds help? It's still growing your own food.

[Living Food]

As I said in one of my above posts, maybe that is a negative view. I personally don't think that the few will suceed in their plans, Mr Raw does. I still respect his opinions, and yours.


It is not information. It is opinion.

Most of what he said is information, some is opinion.


We are entering a global food shortage at the moment according to the press over here.

Fear fear and more fear - best thing you can do is stop listening to the media + stop reading the newspapers, but most of all...STOP WATCHING TELEVISION!


The earth will manage much better without mankind who show no signs of evolving to be much better as far as I can see.

That's because you listen to the media, in reality we are making lots of progress but the mainstream media is controlled by "the few" and they wouldn't tell us positive information to save their lives, except for a couple of "heart-warming" stories in between hundreds of garbage and fear-based stories to make us think that they're not baised.


A few want to live more responsibly but when push comes to shove those will be the ones who are crushed by the powerful

It's happening everyday, but we're still making progress on every front. Yes sometimes it might seem like I (and Mr Raw) talk "doom and gloom", but actually that's the tool of those in power, we just realize that in order for people to properly be awakened they need to hear the negative aspect of what's going on as well as the positive, in reality everything that is happening is going exactly as it should be. BUT, you shouldn't go through life thinking everything is all rosy and not knowng anything that's going on, first you need to realize all of the evil that's happening, and the plan to keep us all essentially enslaved, then you can realize that despite that it is all as it should be and we are making progress and "winning".

As for being thrown in jail for growing your own food, there are actually some stories I've seen of absurd cases just like that:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.treehugger.com%2Fgreen-food%2Fmichigan-woman-faces-93-days-in-jail-for-planting-a-vegetable-garden.html&ei=p-g7UKOTJOmD7AHe_4DwAg&usg=AFQjCNEEeImUxQVh_RFk_YY5CBu2JTdnEA, for example. There are many others, but I'm not gong to go searching for them right now.

We'll talk more later.

[laughalways]

The future of raw food is doomed is not a positive statement. It is not information. It is opinion. Meantime my view is negative and the OP's isn't. The earth will manage much better without mankind who show no signs of evolving to be much better as far as I can see. A few want to live more responsibly but when push comes to shove those will be the ones who are crushed by the powerful who won't realise that by crushing those who can take us forward responsibly they are sealing their own fate. We are entering a global food shortage at the moment according to the press over here. Allotment requests are soaring and people are being encouraged to grown their own food and suggest sites that can be used for allotments. If as OP suggests we will be slung in jail for growing our own food then how will sprouting weed seeds help? It's still growing your own food.

This means we should try all the more to facilitate change. The news media is controlled by a few and they are spreading a message that makes us think as you do. I follow what is going on by subscribing to alternative sources of news and the change is happening...the regular media just does not want people to think so.

[MysticTree]

I see wars over oil. War over money. Alternative news sources don't change this greed among the rich and powerful. We can only do the right thing because it is the right thing not because it will change the way greedy people behave.

[delmar]

I think the sooner mankind is wiped out the better. Maybe we should embracing the bad food to speed that future along. Mankind is the least positive thing to walk the earth. God speed the rook.I love people! Some of my best friends are human!

[MysticTree]

Living food, I don't watch television. I don't have electricity. I sometimes think people just don't get either of those concepts. The price of food is set to rise. The price of simple things like straw bedding for my hens is going to rise. I don't need media to tell me these things. I just see crops rotting in the fields or only half harvested. Straw lying wet in the fields because we had the wettest summer.

[MysticTree]

I love people! Some of my best friends are human! all of my best friends are animals

[delmar]

Come now. You know you think I'm pretty cool

[MysticTree]

Lol. You're ok. Not a best friend but an alright human nonetheless ;). Trouble is with the not alright humans who run the world.

[delmar]

You may think that is an extreme title, but nothing could be further from the truth, and i've been meaning to post this for 12 months. This thread is so important that l got out of bed to make this. In 2009 there was a bill put to U.S parliament


There is no U.S parliament.
called the Farm Bill S510 Food Safety Modernization Act. This act would effectively give the U.S government the power to outlaw all small farms and growing fruit and vegetable gardens in all backyards without a special licence. The real purpose of the bill was give complete power to Monsanto by only allowing large farms to be the only farms allowed to exist. The reason for this is so the large farms are forced to buy GM seeds from [mainly] Monsanto and about four or five other major GM seed businesses. Well, the bill failed this time, but rest assured, IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN SOON!!! Monsanto will bribe some of the heads of the U.S government to introduce the bill and have it passed by giving Congress only half a day to vote on a 1,000+ page bill, but naturally the senators won't have the time to read it so the top politicians will lie to them about what's in the bill and say it's for the good of mankind, so they will vote it in. But next time when they introduce the bill they will be smarter about it...they will introduce it at Christmas time when most people are on holidays (parliament always does that when they want a bill against the publics interest introduced) and they will pass it without no public knowledge.

If you don't believe me, listen to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gx5CjUD3-E

And if you don't believe that, here is the 1,000+ page bill. Pay close attention to section 3 which is the definitions portion of the bill. Also read section 103, 206 and 207s completely.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h875/text

Here is a short blog which explains the bill:
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=12671

That's why l have now started looking to nature for my food, because the time is soon coming where all our fruit, vegies and sprouts will be GM, and that is when planes fly over and scan the farms and backyards for any gardens so the authorities can destroy them. The algaes will also be a thing of the past if Codex is implemented globally.



And when it happens in the U.S, it will happen all over the world because Monsanto wants to sell GM seed to all the world.

Just an quick note on organic foods i've been meaning to post for ages:
“"Organic" food is no longer safe. The FDA and USDA have colluded in approving the neurotoxin 'Neotame' which may be even more toxic than aspartame. No labeling will be required, nor will it be listed in the ingredients. It will be used in USDA certified "organic" processed food and cattle feed. [The only hope of escape is to raise our own food or buy from local growers who do not use such chemicals – which is why Congress recently passed legislation that eventually will put small-scale organic growers out of business.] FarmWars 2010 Dec 31”
http://www.realityzone.com/saveandprint.html

This is only the start of watering down of organic, so now the time has come to start sprouting wild weed seeds...that's the only way we will be able to consume healthy food in the future.I think I am a little less conspiracy minded than you are, though I have been advocating seed saving for a while now.

[MysticTree]

There is no U.S parliament.I think I am a little less conspiracy minded than you are, though I have been advocating seed saving for a while now. seed saving is very sensible. It's how our parents, grandparents etc gardened.

[Living Food]

Living food, I don't watch television.

That comment wasn't directed at you but at everyone reading this thread in general. I know it can be confusing since I quoted you, but generally I speak to everyone in general unless I talk to someone by name, or quote something and then ask a question about it.


Some of my best friends are human!

Come now. You know you think I'm pretty cool

Lol, you made me laugh there.


There is no U.S parliament.

I'm sure he meant Congress.


seed saving is very sensible

Even if I knew there would always be abundant food I would still collect adn sprout wildseeds, they're generally much more nutritious then conventional crops anyway.


I see wars over oil. War over money. Alternative news sources don't change this greed among the rich and powerful. We can only do the right thing because it is the right thing not because it will change the way greedy people behave.

But if everyone who wasn't one of those greedy few did the right thing, there wouldn't be a greedy few. "United we stand, divided we fall".

Again, everything that is happening is happening for a reason, even if we don't like it. If there wasn't adversity in the world it would be hard to improve ourselves, nor would we have anything to strive for or motivate us; if there wasn't suffering we wouldn't feel compassion, or be motivated to help others, etc etc. It can be hard to understand why suffering is necessary if you think that all we get is one short life on Earth, when in reality Earthly suffering is just a tiny nanosecond in the span of our true lives. But just ignore that I said that, Mystic, and focus on the other stuff I said in this paragraph.

As for not being able to change the way greedy people behave - "Never doubt that a small group of dedicated people cannot change the world - in fact, it's the only thing that ever has".


The price of food is set to rise. The price of simple things like straw bedding for my hens is going to rise. I don't need media to tell me these things. I just see crops rotting in the fields or only half harvested. Straw lying wet in the fields because we had the wettest summer.

Read above.

Even though you probably don't agree, the Earth is like a school, and we're the pupils. Yes, sometimes the students do naughty things or maybe vandalize some school property, but if they didn't exist then there would be no reason to have a school. And we come out more knowledgable and better people* for having experienced adversity and suffering, greed and violence, etc. We can each overcome ANY obstacle put in our path, if you put your mind to it there is LITERALLY nothing oyu can do - all of these things we have to overcome are just there to teach us this fact. You'd never no what you can do unless you were forced to do it. You can't see the power of a river if it's allowed to flow unblocked, but put an obstacle in the way (a dam) and you will see the massive power that the river has.

* the point where the school analogy breaks down, the public school system these days mostly teaches falsehoods and lies (not that the teachers know that, as always only a few are responsible and all of the rest are unwitting dupes), orients your brain to be more dependent on others and makes you more obedient, and emphasizes the left-brain almost exclusively over the right brain, and there are many more flaws too. But don't focus on that, focus on what I said above.

Raw Angel Mom: I agree completely.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Mankind is evolving and will be a better race in the future. There is a changing consciousness...that is really what the whole 2012 issue is about anyway. We can be the change now...its all about each individual and what they put forth.

l tend to see things this way too, but then again, we are now supposed to be living in the 6th or 7th age, which means, mankind has been wiped out before many times and restarted by alien civilisations. We are all alien by nature. Mankind is really supposed to have been on Earth for 1 million years, and previous evidence of a long lost age was the Pyramids which had air planes and helicopters etched into the them over 40,000 years ago [as discovered by real scientists]. The Egyptians never built the pyramids, they found the pyramids. The fact that there were air planes etc etched into the pyramids shows strong argument that we were once a very advanced civilisation, but we got wiped out. History is not telling us everything, and if you think carefully you will smell a rat. ln all the billions of years the Earth has been around, we are told that modern man is only a very recent thing to develop, really? The Earth is a thriving place, and l think it highly unlikely that alien races would have ignored the Earth for so long. Of course advanced life has been here for a much longer time, but the plutocrats don't want us to know our true history, because if we do know our true history all the major organisations of the world that control us will break down and the people gain power.

Our consciousness will rise and all this will stop one day, but is now the time, or will we be wiped out again and again before we eventually stop the killing and raise our consciousness. The higher powers haven't stopped us from being wiped out before, and maybe they won't again. Most of the world eats flesh foods and has negative emmotions towards other people, and with that everyone on the Earth takes of the dark karma and lower vibrations of the environment in which we all live, so l think food supply issue is just another karma issue until we all wake up.

The biggest issue is not dying, the biggest issue is lowering our consciousness so we can't evolve and pass over to very high realms when we die. l think that is the ultimate plan by the plutocrats. The plutocrats and 13 families know they are going to lower level existances when they die because they have been corrupted by power and money, so they will also try and keep us from reaching higher realms also, that's why they put flouride in the water (effects the pineal gland) and put other toxins in the food supply and introduce GM foods among many other reasons = to keep us spiritually bankrupt and unable to work out what's is really going on. lf the plutocrats can't reach higher level worlds after physical death then why should us slaves be allowed to do so, that's the way they think about it. Those people are in touch with the dark higher powers, so they are aware of how the afterlife works, and they were selected by God to be this way because we have karma to learn from. The dark powers also come from the heavenly realms. These plutocrats aren't really bad people, they were selected by the good higher powers to play a role to teach us, that's why they won't stop this bad stuff from happening or wake up and stop the corruption, IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. And if you think the dark powers don't exist, l can tell you with 100% certainty that they do.

[michigan roman]

washed up low life ruling class trying to scare people , but theyre soon OUTTA HERE

along with their punk new world order hordes


like vegetarian mma fighter george st peirre says : winners see what they want , losers see what they dont want . dont let the game eat you , you eat the game !

[walnutty]

all of my best friends are animals


Mine too!

[MysticTree]

Mine too!

:heart
You know where you are with an animal ...

[MysticTree]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/2012/aug/26/food-shortages-world-vegetarianism

T (http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/2012/aug/26/food-shortages-world-vegetarianism)his is an interesting article in one of our left-wing newspapers.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Just an quick note on organic foods i've been meaning to post for ages:
“"Organic" food is no longer safe. The FDA and USDA have colluded in approving the neurotoxin 'Neotame' which may be even more toxic than aspartame. No labeling will be required, nor will it be listed in the ingredients. It will be used in USDA certified "organic" processed food and cattle feed. [The only hope of escape is to raise our own food or buy from local growers who do not use such chemicals – which is why Congress recently passed legislation that eventually will put small-scale organic growers out of business.] FarmWars 2010 Dec 31”
http://www.realityzone.com/saveandprint.html

This is only the start of watering down of organic, so now the time has come to start sprouting wild weed seeds...that's the only way we will be able to consume healthy food in the future.

And according to the brilliant well researched book `Supplements exposed' by Dr Brian Clement, 70% of packaged organic foods now use GM ingredients.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/2012/aug/26/food-shortages-world-vegetarianism

T (http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/2012/aug/26/food-shortages-world-vegetarianism)his is an interesting article in one of our left-wing newspapers.
The only way to solve the food problem is to start eating plant foods. lt's common sense, but here is a link which should make people think:
http://suprememastertv.com/animal-production/

[SunshineMN]

Didn't I hear that Obama appointed a Monsanto lobbyist to the head of the FDA recently? I really don't trust any government.

[delmar]

Didn't I hear that Obama appointed a Monsanto lobbyist to the head of the FDA recently? I really don't trust any government.I can't argue with that. Sometimes I feel like there is no candidate that I am willing to vote for, that could ever be elected.

[MysticTree]

I can't argue with that. Sometimes I feel like there is no candidate that I am willing to vote for, that could ever be elected.

I always feel that way even with having the Green Party as an option. I don't feel they are strong politically but they are my best option other than tactical and really they are all the same sort of wolves wearing different party allegiances.

[Living Food]

Didn't I hear that Obama appointed a Monsanto lobbyist to the head of the FDA recently? I really don't trust any government.

And our secretary of Agriculture is a huge proponent of GM foods...hmmm...maybe it has to do with all of the money he gets from the biotech companies...*scratches head*


Sometimes I feel like there is no candidate that I am willing to vote for, that could ever be elected.

Sadly most any candidate that reaches a high level of power is completely corrupt, that's the way the game works. And elections are rigged anyway.

The difference between the mainstream parties is really all semantics to keep people blind as to what's really going on. When is the last time a politician actually did what they said they would be if they got elected? These peple will lie through their teeth to tell you whatever they think will get them elected, but naturally they have no intention of actually doing those things. They're all a bunch of crooks, and they get paid off very well by other crooks to screw us over - we'll never win by working within the system, it's set up that way, we need to leave it.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

l will never be voting for any politician ever again, they are a disgrace. There is no such thing as a democracy because big business are the people running the countries. The politicians only call it a democracy so gullible people think they have a say in how things are run...it's easier to keep the peace that way. What we really have is fascist dictatorships because the plutocrats run the show. Politics is only a front these days..leaders must do what they are told, that's why they always break promises.


And our secretary of Agriculture is a huge proponent of GM foods...hmmm...maybe it has to do with all of the money he gets from the biotech companies...*scratches head*

We aren't supposed to know those things Living Food. We are supposed to be full of GM foods, chemicals and believe what the news tells us because we are supposed to be dumber than blind old rabbits.

Whoever controls the food and water supplies control the world!

[MysticTree]

l will never be voting for any politician ever again, they are a disgrace. There is no such thing as a democracy because big business are the people running the countries. The politicians only call it a democracy so gullible people think they have a say in how things are run...it's easier to keep the peace that way. What we really have is fascist dictatorships because the plutocrats run the show. Politics is only a front these days..leaders must do what they are told, that's why they always break promises.


We aren't supposed to know those things Living Food. We are supposed to be full of GM foods, chemicals and believe what the news tells us because we are supposed to be dumber than blind old rabbits.

Whoever controls the food and water supplies control the world!

I don't vote Mr Raw, there is no-one I feel represents my views or opinions and they are all untrustworthy at best and criminal at worst :(

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

I don't vote Mr Raw, there is no-one I feel represents my views or opinions and they are all untrustworthy at best and criminal at worst :(

None represent my opinions either. All l want is to keep the food supply (plant foods) in local hands and to stop the supermarkets from getting too big. No imported fruits and vegies.

We even had the Greens party leader (control our Prime Minister) talk about a One World Government recently. lf you don't know about the OWG or NWO, look it up. lt's basically a world dictatorship.

lt's good people are waking up to the nonsense. Our consciousness is definitely getting higher and `they' are losing the game [slowly] despite all the chemicals they dish up to us.

[laughalways]

The selection of politicians in the USA is sad. I just signed a petition directed to President Obama to honor his promise to label GMO foods. I sign all the petitions as it relates to this. I also sent e-mails directly to companies I discovered were owned by the companies who are contributing to the campaign against labeling GMOs in California. I told them I was boycotting their products. I laughed at their defensive response.

Mr. Raw...you should check out NaturalNews.com.

[Charybdisjim]

Us dying off really wouldn't be positive for the Earth, but I can only explain that by talking about lots of spiritual stuff

Then perhaps I can help. Humanity represents the only current possible means by which any life on Earth may persist beyond otherwise inevitable extinction and the likelihood of another such means coming along should we self-destruct seems to be less than certain at best. That is to say that as yet we are the only form of life that has evolved which may, should we live up to our potential, act as seeds to carry (or send) at least some of the life that has evolved on Earth to other planets and stars. Unless that happens then all or nearly all life on Earth that ever was or will be is doomed to eventually and inevitably die as the Sun will eventually cease to be a benign life-giving source of light and heat as it becomes something far more hostile and far less giving.

So in that sense humanity does have the potential to be of great and crucial benefit to earthly life in general. That is of course presuming we do not squander our potential and ruin things instead. Humanity going extinct before we can live up to this potential though is merely one more way in which it might be squandered.

[bcrunner]

l tend to see things this way too, but then again, we are now supposed to be living in the 6th or 7th age, which means, mankind has been wiped out before many times and restarted by alien civilisations. We are all alien by nature. Mankind is really supposed to have been on Earth for 1 million years, and previous evidence of a long lost age was the Pyramids which had air planes and helicopters etched into the them over 40,000 years ago [as discovered by real scientists]. The Egyptians never built the pyramids, they found the pyramids. The fact that there were air planes etc etched into the pyramids shows strong argument that we were once a very advanced civilisation, but we got wiped out. History is not telling us everything, and if you think carefully you will smell a rat. ln all the billions of years the Earth has been around, we are told that modern man is only a very recent thing to develop, really?




Your posts are awesome. Where do you get we are in the 6th or 7th age from? (not disputing just curious)

The bolded really frustrates me. It is common sense and people argue against it :(.

I have a question for you about books, but since i can't PM i have posted it on your visitors message.

[Non]

I think the sooner mankind is wiped out the better. Maybe we should embracing the bad food to speed that future along. Mankind is the least positive thing to walk the earth. God speed the rook.

LOL. Actually.. we might get wiped out if the whole 2012 talk is true. Sometimes I look at the world and I don't see any hope.

[Non]

and of course it's really just the elites that do all this. I'm sure none of the common people want this.

[MysticTree]

LOL. Actually.. we might get wiped out if the whole 2012 talk is true. Sometimes I look at the world and I don't see any hope. I read somewhere that the 2012 thing is a mis interpretation. It's not that the world will end, more that this be be the start of a new phase. You are right about the elite being the problem but when they have all the power it doesn't matter that there are less if them than good, right-minded people.

[drraw]

should we live up to our potential, act as seeds to carry (or send) at least some of the life that has evolved on Earth to other planets and stars.


Or perhaps, we will develop ourselves to spread unforeseen death and destruction to areas of the universe that presently do not understand the sadistic behavior we are capable of.

--drraw

[MysticTree]

Or perhaps, we will develop ourselves to spread unforeseen death and destruction to areas of the universe that presently do not understand the sadistic behavior we are capable of.

--drrawThat sounds entirely probable.

[laughalways]

I believe we should seek the good in people and expect the best. I'm not saying that we should ignore the worst people are capable of but acts of kindness and individual acts of heroism happen everyday but that doesn't always make the news. I've read that that the energy we send out is what we get back. We all have an individual and cumulative effect on the world.

[delmar]

Then perhaps I can help. Humanity represents the only current possible means by which any life on Earth may persist beyond otherwise inevitable extinctionThank you

[MysticTree]

Then perhaps I can help. Humanity represents the only current possible means by which any life on Earth may persist beyond otherwise inevitable extinction

Why should we try to change that inevitable extinction?

[MysticTree]

I believe we should seek the good in people and expect the best. I'm not saying that we should ignore the worst people are capable of but acts of kindness and individual acts of heroism happen everyday but that doesn't always make the news. I've read that that the energy we send out is what we get back. We all have an individual and cumulative effect on the world.

I totally agree that there are nice people offering kindness all over the place and whether it makes the news is pretty irrelevant because it still happens. I offer kindness all over the place even if some people on here find me abrasive. I guess I speak as I find generally but a lot of this thread has sprung from the selective allocation of some posts as negative whilst ignoring the negativity of other posts.

[Charybdisjim]

Why should we try to change that inevitable extinction?

For the same reason all living things reproduce and for one more reason - because just maybe we can. If there is a lifeless place on Earth where life may take hold it it does; as spores, and seeds, and whatever else finds its way there they bring life and new generations with them wherever possible. Wherever nearly possible then then replication with variation and attrition will almost surely make it so eventually.

If we can find lifeless places beyond our Earth and Sun on which life may thrive but where now there is none, would it not be a good thing to help life find its way there? Maybe a barren world with conditions to support life but lacking the conditions to form on its own, would it not be good to help life to find its way there? Sending life from Earth there is far beyond us now, but not unimaginable. As hard as it would be it would be easier than sending humans though and for each world we hoped to one-day have humans on we might more easily seed primitive life on many times as many.

In that way we could act as seeds for Earth and life which grew here where nothing else can. While we might not be able to make the journey ourselves in any direct way, we could at least provide some possibility that the biodiversity that has developed here does not end here and thus serve it in some way more than anything else living now can. Otherwise we end without doing this and serve nothing beyond ourselves and even then serve ourselves poorly.

I'm not saying we're doing a very good job of living up to that potential mind you. Its something we can offer that nothing else living on Earth as yet can; it would be at once our redemption and Earth's salvation if we were to realize it. Were we as a species to end without living up to it we would be dead without redemption and could not be quite certain such a potential would arise again nor if it were whether it would likewise be squandered. Our failure in this would stand as the most lasting fact of our history. While we can still do something more - something worthwhile in a really big way - I don't think it would be right not to try.

[laughalways]

My comments aren't directed against you. I believe we should all speak our truth. We all have times where we feel negative and I do to. I just try to change my thoughts and words because I feel worse when I persist with negative thoughts and words. I wish you many blessings and goodness as it seems you have been going through a hard time lately based upon your posts. I hope circumstances get better for you.

[Living Food]

I'm thinking we could use this thread as a place to post results and thoughts about sprouting wild seeds; I will soon be sprouting wild plantain seed and eventually oxalis seed (if the darn seedpods ever mature), and will post my results here once I find out what works. I might find a way to post pictures, but probably not since I don't have a camera or the technical know-how to upload them. I already sprout wild dandelion and clover seeds, clover is a common sprout and there is a thread on sprouting dandelion seeds if anyone wants to know how.

Any other good wild seed ideas would be appreciated.

[MysticTree]

Wild onion and garlic would be nice. Also black mustard.

[Living Food]

Wild onion and garlic would be nice. Also black mustard.

Thank you, I will keep an eye out for them. Wild onion and garlic would be great because of how expensive the seeds are to buy.

I have yet to find any of the above in my area, but then I really need to learn how to recognize a wider variety of wild plants; that is one of my big goals for this year.

[MysticTree]

they are spring plants. Here we have been getting the wild garlic up earlier and earlier you can't miss it. The whole area smells of garlic. There is also three cornered leek which is nice too. These plants grow happily on cool slopes often with water running close by. We have something called the Bristol onion which is protected so I leave it be. All these plants seed profusely. Wild garlic grows on our river bank in small clumps. I only crop the leaves as the bulb is for next years leaves but cropping seeds would be good for sprouters. Wild garlic and three cornered leek flowers taste very nice too and there are always enough flowers for eating and seeding in a good sized area. We have wild garlic by the acre locally.

[Living Food]

Lucky! Garlic sprouts are one of the most powerful antifungal, antibacterial and antiviral foods there are.

Why don't you collect + sprout seeds from them? Even if you didn't want to eat them, at the very least they would fetch a nice price, garlic and leek seeds go up to $40/pound!

If I were you I'd be juicing loads of wild garlic leaves and wild garlic sprouts.

[MysticTree]

I don't collect the seeds because I don't really want to. The young leaves and flowers are nice and the seed pods before the seed coat forms also.

[MysticTree]

Wild garlic isn't the same as garlic as people see it from shops/markets. Google ramsons for a picture ... unless you know this already, so many think there are cloves like the garlic they are used to.

[Living Food]

I do already know that. I find it funny how many people seem to be so divorced from actual food (because it comes wrapped up all neatly at the supermarket), I read a true story in a book a long time ago where a person pulled a carrot out of the ground, prompting a nearby kid to say "eeewww, that touched dirt!". The gardener explained that carrots are root vegetables, then asked the kid "Can you think of any other root vegetables?". After thinking for a while, he replied with "Spaghetti?" LOL.

[MysticTree]

I do already know that. I find it funny how many people seem to be so divorced from actual food (because it comes wrapped up all neatly at the supermarket), I read a true story in a book a long time ago where a person pulled a carrot out of the ground, prompting a nearby kid to say "eeewww, that touched dirt!". The gardener explained that carrots are root vegetables, then asked the kid "Can you think of any other root vegetables?". After thinking for a while, he replied with "Spaghetti?" LOL. lol. I can believe it. I have worked with people who won't accept any produce from the garden because it's not clean. I do try to explain that shop bought veg doesn't grow fully formed in the packing plant but they just don't get it. They also think that meat from shops isn't killed. Farm fresh meat is but not shop meat. You can't argue with that knowledge base. I think (even coming from a semi farming background) that if the vegan/vegetarian lobby wanted to stop people drinking milk they don't need to show calves being taken from their mothers and being raised for beef. Just take children to a dairy farm to observe milking. All animal welfare aside, the majority of children would never drink milk again!

[delmar]

Why should we try to change that inevitable extinction? guess your answer to that question depends on whether you have hope for the future or not. I choose hope.

[MysticTree]

I don't see why life = hope. It just is. Just as death just is.

[delmar]

I'm thinking we could use this thread as a place to post results and thoughts about sprouting wild seeds; I will soon be sprouting wild plantain seed and eventually oxalis seed (if the darn seedpods ever mature), and will post my results here once I find out what works. I might find a way to post pictures, but probably not since I don't have a camera or the technical know-how to upload them. I already sprout wild dandelion and clover seeds, clover is a common sprout and there is a thread on sprouting dandelion seeds if anyone wants to know how.

Any other good wild seed ideas would be appreciated.I missed the opportunity to save a great deal of plantain seeds this summer during the drought, but it look like I will have another chance before the summer is over, because after the rains came and things greened up again the plantain come on with a vengeance! The thing I am watching more closely right now is lambsquarter. The really big plants are going to seed right now and i think my only limitation to how much seed I can save is how long it stays on the plant, once it is ready, before it falls off!

[delmar]

I don't see why life = hope. It just is. Just as death just is.Opinions vary

[MysticTree]

Opinions vary yup indeed :)

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Your posts are awesome. Where do you get we are in the 6th or 7th age from? (not disputing just curious)
l'm not really sure how many ages exactly, but l deeply feel we have been destroyed more than once because of many things:
* the 40,000 year old pyramids found
* pyramids with air craft etched into them
* a deep knowing from mediation (very important)
* reading lots about this and reading people's encounters with E.T life where they have revealed our history
* the old Atlantis story

Most people say it's nonsense, but my mediation makes me know there is something in this. l know people have been here before.


The bolded really frustrates me. It is common sense and people argue against it :(.
Doesn't bother me because l know human nature and how backward we really are as a race. When you meditate well you put everything into perspective and worry about nothing because you realise things need to happen this way. And when you meditate ypou start getting insite into things, so you don't need anyone living on the Earth to tell you. Meditation allows you to strongly feel your instincts, so when you feel something strongly you know there is something to it.


I have a question for you about books, but since i can't PM i have posted it on your visitors message.
Doing it now.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

I don't see why life = hope. It just is. Just as death just is.

Yeah, l don't care if the world ended tomorrow. Our spirit never dies, just our body. lf the world ends, l just put on a new suit for my next physical life. No big deal.

[MysticTree]

Yeah, l don't care if the world ended tomorrow. Our spirit never dies, just our body. lf the world ends, l just put on a new suit for my next physical life. No big deal.

You know I think we find another thing which agree on in theory - though your detail and my detail probably varies hugely!

[Non]

Yeah, l don't care if the world ended tomorrow. Our spirit never dies, just our body. lf the world ends, l just put on a new suit for my next physical life. No big deal.

I know this is off topic but... what if we didn't reincarnate as human species, or not even on this Earth? I had a conversation with someone who believes we actually do not reincarnate ever again in the same world after one lifetime. That doesn't mean personalities or souls cannot be reincarnated or recycled on the earth but "spirit" might be another thing than the "soul".

[Aleesha Sattva]

Sorry... but this forum isn't the place to discuss this.

in light,
Aleesha
Admin

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

You know I think we find another thing which agree on in theory - though your detail and my detail probably varies hugely!

lt probably does.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Sorry... but this forum isn't the place to discuss this.

in light,
Aleesha
Admin

the spiritual stuff and meditation, or the potential end of the world?

Pity, l was about to rev up my engine. *wink*

[MysticTree]

the spiritual stuff and meditation, or the potential end of the world?

Pity, l was about to rev up my engine. *wink*

I think - check it out with Aleesha - that you could post on your blog about it. That would then take it off the forum but still keep it open to the same membership who are here and people could comment as they chose etc. As I said, you'd need to check with Aleesha but I think that would count as ok.

[Living Food]

I think - check it out with Aleesha - that you could post on your blog about it. That would then take it off the forum but still keep it open to the same membership who are here and people could comment as they chose etc. As I said, you'd need to check with Aleesha but I think that would count as ok.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

[Non]

Sometimes I feel like we just need better crops available to us. I feel like the raw food diet is the highest diet. When we start getting into sprouting though you soon start to realize just how mediocre even regular raw food crops are. The mature greens with all their oxalates and goitrogens and maybe even the imbalance of minerals.
The starchy veggies and a lot of them are not even palatable. Low in vitamins and minerals. No wonder there are many omnivorous people that think let alone a vegan diet is self sustainable.

Well I say it's just a matter of perspective. If the society gave more credit to veggies then more variety would be available, better variety. Not just wheat corn and soy. And potatoes. Lol.


But yea.. and I find that even as a sprouter because of prices one is limited to the humble seeds we can afford like sesame, sunflower, peas, even alfalfa is pretty damn expensive. Then you have the lentils and the mung beans which.. are ok just not really concentrated in nutrients. Oh yea and fenugreek.

But what then, after that, all the other green sprouts are pretty darn expensive. And this is supposed to be the cheapest natural diet one can afford. And the government just wants to make it harder and harder for us to grow our own food. Look at that, if you don't have a house you can't grow, not even if you do on your own front lawn.

Most people had their own gardens or lived amongst farmers. Everything is designed so we can't grow our own foods and live self sustainably.

[Non]

I go to to the store and I look at the leafy greens section and I always just leave with dandelions. Out of all the different kinds of greens this store only sells dandelions, kale, collard and chard. Oh yea and super expensive lettuce.

[Living Food]

Well I say it's just a matter of perspective. If the society gave more credit to veggies then more variety would be available, better variety. Not just wheat corn and soy. And potatoes. Lol.

We need to go back to the old system of small family farms growing a multitude of different crops, rather then a single farmer growing thousands of acres of 2 or 3 different crops. Unfortunately those crops are subsidized by the government. Think about the fact that just about all GM crops are heavily subsidized and virtually no non-GM foods are. And naturally the "Farm Bill" has been changed to support massive industrialized farms rather then the small farms it was designed to protect. The whole system is rigged.


But yea.. and I find that even as a sprouter because of prices one is limited to the humble seeds we can afford like sesame, sunflower, peas, even alfalfa is pretty damn expensive. Then you have the lentils and the mung beans which.. are ok just not really concentrated in nutrients. Oh yea and fenugreek.

Azure Standard has great prices, alfalfa being one exception.

Sunflowers and peas are dirt cheap and produce some of the most nutritious microgreens there are. Even just having a tray of those two, plus wheatgrass or a different cereal grass 5 times a week costs very little. The price is amazing when you consider the nutrition they have, and how expensive it would be to instead eat that much store-bought produce which is sorely lacking in vital nutrients.

Lentils and mung beans don't need to be too concentrated in nutrients, the green sprouts above will give you plenty. The important thing is that lentil and mung bean sprouts have vital life energy (or chi, electromagnetic vibration, whatever you want to call it) and mung bean sprouts, at least, have amazingly potent hormones called "auxinons" which have very powerful anti-aging effects. There are thousands of nutrients not identified by science, don't be fooled by only looking at the vitamins or minerals. Unique phytonutrients, oxygen, hormones, electromagnetic vibration, the list goes on and on.


Everything is designed so we can't grow our own foods and live self sustainably.

Yes.



Also, smaller seeds like alfalfa and fenugreek produce much more foo when sprouted then do larger seeds like peas and sunflowers, so the higher cost is artificial. If you go through and actually determine the yield you can get from each seeds, you will find that higher prices do not always mean lower value. Chia, for example, is far more expensive then wheat. However, due to the tiny size of the seeds, a pound of chia will give you many times the amount of juice that a pound of wheat will. You can get a 8 oz of juice from just 2 tablespoons of chia seed, whereas 8 oz of wheatgrass juice requires roughly 1.5 CUPS of wheat berries. Do the math.

Don't forget weeds. They're completely free and loaded with nutrients, and if you're vigilant you can also collect their seeds and get free sprouts as well.

[delmar]

I have to much green stuff in my yard to buy it in the store.

[Living Food]

I have to much green stuff in my yard to buy it in the store.

YES! I'm in complete agreement. Why settle for inferior store-bought produce anyway when you can pick the finest greens right from the ground and eat them within minutes? The best things in life really are free :)

And when things like pea sprouts, sunflower greens and wheatgrass (way way above store-bought veggies, it would be insulting them to even be put in the same class of food) cost just pennies on the dollar, why in the world would you buy some half-dead wilted greens grown in mineral-deficient soil and picked so long ago that half of the few nutrients they started with have been lost, as well as the very important vibration? People will do crazy things to waste their money on inferior food.

[Non]

We need to go back to the old system of small family farms growing a multitude of different crops, rather then a single farmer growing thousands of acres of 2 or 3 different crops. Unfortunately those crops are subsidized by the government. Think about the fact that just about all GM crops are heavily subsidized and virtually no non-GM foods are. And naturally the "Farm Bill" has been changed to support massive industrialized farms rather then the small farms it was designed to protect. The whole system is rigged.



Azure Standard has great prices, alfalfa being one exception.

Sunflowers and peas are dirt cheap and produce some of the most nutritious microgreens there are. Even just having a tray of those two, plus wheatgrass or a different cereal grass 5 times a week costs very little. The price is amazing when you consider the nutrition they have, and how expensive it would be to instead eat that much store-bought produce which is sorely lacking in vital nutrients.

Lentils and mung beans don't need to be too concentrated in nutrients, the green sprouts above will give you plenty. The important thing is that lentil and mung bean sprouts have vital life energy (or chi, electromagnetic vibration, whatever you want to call it) and mung bean sprouts, at least, have amazingly potent hormones called "auxinons" which have very powerful anti-aging effects. There are thousands of nutrients not identified by science, don't be fooled by only looking at the vitamins or minerals. Unique phytonutrients, oxygen, hormones, electromagnetic vibration, the list goes on and on.



Yes.



Also, smaller seeds like alfalfa and fenugreek produce much more foo when sprouted then do larger seeds like peas and sunflowers, so the higher cost is artificial. If you go through and actually determine the yield you can get from each seeds, you will find that higher prices do not always mean lower value. Chia, for example, is far more expensive then wheat. However, due to the tiny size of the seeds, a pound of chia will give you many times the amount of juice that a pound of wheat will. You can get a 8 oz of juice from just 2 tablespoons of chia seed, whereas 8 oz of wheatgrass juice requires roughly 1.5 CUPS of wheat berries. Do the math.

Don't forget weeds. They're completely free and loaded with nutrients, and if you're vigilant you can also collect their seeds and get free sprouts as well.

I was excited about learning about weeds but then I realized I live in the middle of the city and there are no quality weeds anywhere. Besides I would look weird walking around trying to find the weeds growing in the cracks of cement. I live in an apartment. Every piece of land is owned.
Also don't the weeds absorb much more toxins?

[Non]

YES! I'm in complete agreement. Why settle for inferior store-bought produce anyway when you can pick the finest greens right from the ground and eat them within minutes? The best things in life really are free :)

And when things like pea sprouts, sunflower greens and wheatgrass (way way above store-bought veggies, it would be insulting them to even be put in the same class of food) cost just pennies on the dollar, why in the world would you buy some half-dead wilted greens grown in mineral-deficient soil and picked so long ago that half of the few nutrients they started with have been lost, as well as the very important vibration? People will do crazy things to waste their money on inferior food.

Simply because they don't know any better.

[Living Food]

Also don't the weeds absorb much more toxins?

Yes. You have to be careful of that if you are living in a very populated area.



Life is too good when you eat the sprouts, algaes, grasses and weeds to even consider eating second or third-rate foods like store-bought fruit and veggies. Even veggies grown in your own garden and eaten within minutes of being picked can't compare.

I am so glad I fond this lifestyle, life was so dull and boring before - and I didn't even realize it until I learned just how amazing it could be.

[delmar]

I was excited about learning about weeds but then I realized I live in the middle of the city and there are no quality weeds anywhere. Besides I would look weird walking around trying to find the weeds growing in the cracks of cement. I live in an apartment. Every piece of land is owned.
Also don't the weeds absorb much more toxins?We talk about a lot of options here to help people figure out how to do the best they can where they are! Also you don't need to stay in an apartment or in the middle of the city forever if you don't want to. Most people have some options.

[Non]

We talk about a lot of options here to help people figure out how to do the best they can where they are! Also you don't need to stay in an apartment or in the middle of the city forever if you don't want to. Most people have some options.

Uhm.. with as little money as I can make I don't think it's possible.

[MysticTree]

You may have to think a lot more laterally to find a solution. The less you earn/more debt you have the harder it will be.

[Living Food]

Chestnut trees all over Europe are all being killed by a specific species of moth and a specific type of bacteria, both of which suddenly became rampant at the same time "without any clear reason." And they work synergestically - many trees would survive one or the other, but both combined are lethal to them. What a coincidence...who in the world could be behind this?

It's not just our ability to grow food that's being targeted, any source of food outside of big industrialized GM farms is fair game.

http://www.mail.com/scitech/news/1540314-great-chestnut-trees-europe-dying.html#.7518-stage-subhero1-4

The recent blights of various plants are no more natural then the "superbugs" that have been suddenly appearing all over the world.

[MysticTree]

Horse chestnut not sweet chestnut.

[delmar]

Uhm.. with as little money as I can make I don't think it's possible.I'm thinking we should talk about which goals exactly you consider not to be possible on your income level.

Sprouting wild seeds in an apartment setting?

Not living in an apartment?

Not living in the city?

I am wondering if it would not be more correct to say that some of these things are not possible without making trade offs that you are not comfortable with. If I understand correctly, we have one active member who does not live in a house (near as I can tell lives in a van) and does not have electricity so that she is able to afford a plot of ground outside of the city. This is not something everybody would do, but it is something most could do.

[MysticTree]

I love how badly the word caravan translates from English/English to American/English. We are getting a larger caravan soon. It might equate to the American word trailer. We will still have no electricity but I have big plans for solar. There will be a woodburner to get us through the winter with our extremities in tact! It is secondhand so it's carbon footprint will be made to stretch further so we won't be causing a new one to be built. I planted up a small fig tree and 4 tiny honeyberry plants today and set out a herb bed. We have an urban site about 300 feet long by 25 feet wide. He width varies coz one edge is a river bank. It's been a wonderful time since the start of April discovering how much pleasure there is to be had from such a simple lifestyle. We aren't so far from the real world either. About 2 miles from the town centre and a farmers' market ever week about 1 mile away. The main downside is the noise and pollution from the road that runs along the long edge. The cat and dogs have never been happier and hens have a nice lot of space too. Next year we hope to get some bees and a polytunnel.

[Living Food]

Horse chestnut not sweet chestnut.

Good point. But horse chestnut extract has medicinal properties...

[MysticTree]

A lot of people are reacting simply by felling these trees when the trees are just "unsightly". They could be left and might even recover.

[delmar]

So I misunderstood. In the US, this is a Dodge Caravan

http://trialx.com/curetalk/wp-content/blogs.dir/7/files/2011/06/cars/1994_Dodge_Caravan_Passenger-2-small.jpg

Google tells me that, what we can a recreational vehicle, is a caravan in the UK

http://caravans.ub-c.co.uk/ccdata/images/smallMain_3_342.jpg

My point stands. Not everybody is willing to live in an RV but most people could afford to purchase a modest one, instead of renting an apartment.

[MysticTree]

So I misunderstood. In the US, this is a Dodge Caravanhttp://trialx.com/curetalk/wp-content/blogs.dir/7/files/2011/06/cars/1994_Dodge_Caravan_Passenger-2-small.jpgGoogle tells me that, what we can a recreational vehicle, is a caravan in the UKhttp://caravans.ub-c.co.uk/ccdata/images/smallMain_3_342.jpgMy point stands. Not everybody is willing to live in an RV but most people could afford to purchase a modest one, instead of renting an apartment. hehehe. The one we have at the moment is nothing like that. About half the size and very tatty. Cost us £100.00 (used) so that might give you an idea just how tatty it is. She has kept us dry though.

[MysticTree]

9209

This is more like it and about the right age so you can imagine how it might look now some 20 odd years after it was made!

[MysticTree]

I bought some lavender seeds the other day - special offer and only enough to make plants from not for eating the sprouts. The packet says 1-5 months germination time! At least they are reasonably hardy once established!

I also have some thyme seeds and it occurs to be that huge swathes of flowering thymes and lavenders will a)smell nice, b)taste nice and c) be buzzing with lovely bees!

I will try to get a lot more herbs growing - things likeTansy and feverfew and some A. Mollis and all those cottage garden herbs that we grew in the garden when I was a child and which the cottagers grew because they were both useful and pretty.

I also got some Hollyhock seeds cos I love Hollyhocks and they remind me of my father :)

[delmar]

9209

This is more like it and about the right age so you can imagine how it might look now some 20 odd years after it was made!Dry and off the ground is good. We went camping no my buddy's little farm last weekend, by the way. I got a chance to show him that he had a nice variety of wild edibles, which is good cause he has 6 kids to feed. We slept on the ground, on air mattresses. I would rather be in a "caravan".

[MysticTree]

When we get the bigger one - still about the same age though - I plan to remodel the one pictured and have it as a cute, retro spare room :)

Good news about your friend's farm. Wild edibles are so plentiful if only people knew about them.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Organic is now further watered down because the nasty company Monsanto has now convinced the government to water down the organic standards and use their deadly weed killer `Round-up' to use on organic crops. lf you don't know how dangerous Monsanto's weed killer is, look it up and research it. That is a HUGE blow to organic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clbHoP2D8QE&feature=plcp

The only way to get around this is to know what farm your organic food comes from so you can ask them. l'm sure some of the farms still will put quality before profit.

[Living Food]

Organic is now further watered down because the nasty company Monsanto has now convinced the government to water down the organic standards and use their deadly weed killer `Round-up' to use on organic crops

What?! I'm searching that now but I haven't found anything that says that. Where did you hear it?


I'm sure some of the farms still will put quality before profit.

People are so short-sighted. Even if using round-up will increase your profits at first, very soon it destroys the soil (the basis of organic farming) and will actually result in the farmers losing loads of money.

[PunkRotten]

I just can't imagine planes scanning people's backyards for gardens and then a team coming in and destroying your garden. They just don't have the money or manpower for it. Not to mention you think some people would allow them to trespass onto their property? So many legal suits and violence would ensue. I think as far as this would go would be the phasing out of organic seeds and being replaced with GMO. That is why it is important to save your own seeds and also boycott Monsanto and all their partners. Pepsi and nestle are in favor of GMO so make sure to tell all your friends to boycott them.

[Living Food]

Pepsi and nestle are in favor of GMO so make sure to tell all your friends to boycott them.

Over 70% of all processed foods (Probably very close to 100% if you don't count organic) have GM ingredients. Boycott ALL processed foods and the companies that make them.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

What?! I'm searching that now but I haven't found anything that says that. Where did you hear it?
Dr Brian mentioned it in the above link. He speaks is a jumbled manner so it is hard to pick up, but he does say it.




People are so short-sighted. Even if using round-up will increase your profits at first, very soon it destroys the soil (the basis of organic farming) and will actually result in the farmers losing loads of money.

When the round-up destroys the soil, all the government needs to do is water the organic standards down further so everyone can buy chemicals from Monsanto so they can save the day with chemical fertilisers. *wink* lt is said that organic is doomed, so nothing would surprise me.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

I just can't imagine planes scanning people's backyards for gardens and then a team coming in and destroying your garden. They just don't have the money or manpower for it.

l fully believe it is a NWO thing, so of course they have the money to do it...not the governments, but the people who have been robbing the governments blind for the last 100 years..the Rothchilds and the other plutocratic players. The trillionaire plutocrats own half the world's wealth because they are automatically owed 40% of any government money due to the gold standard being dropped, that's why governments and economies are going broke. They have so much money that they can never spend it. Why they want this money is to bankrupt governments so then they are totally dependant on plutocrats for money. This is pure power!!! When you have complete power you can do whatever you want against mankind. The thing is, these plutocrats want most of us dead because we have populated too much.

Anyway, HAARP technology will take care of all the backyard gardens. Whenever l speak out about this stuff l usually have most of my sprouts die the next day. At one time when l spoke out for weeks l had many trees suddenly die. Was it HAARP? They can apparently zap anything within a meter accuracy. Sounds crazy maybe, but apparently our technology is far more advanced than we are made to believe.


Not to mention you think some people would allow them to trespass onto their property? So many legal suits and violence would ensue.
They will probably introduce `Martial Law' so it is perfectly legal. But even better, they will convince the public it is in their best interests to give up home farming and they will get their neighbours to dob in any people who don't comply. Make people dependant on large GM farms and fill their bodies with chemicals so they can't think and mind control them, and very soon people will comply...it's working as we speak.

But...this is way down the track before they can pull this off. What they are going for is a cashless society, and with a cashless society comes our dependance on technology. So if people protest, all the authorities have to do is switch off your electronic money so you can't buy anything, and they will keep it switched off until you comply and don't protest. Notice how mobile phones are being used as banking and tracking systems now?...this is no accident, this is the very start of a cashless society where people are tracked. They say it's convenience, but that is how they con people into using the technology. Very soon i-technology prices will drop to almost nothing, and that's when everyone will use the technology, and that's when we stop being free. lt is sooo easy to control people and most people are not even 1% aware of the problem.

The biggest problem they have is the public being armed, but they will soon make it illegal to own guns without a special licence and conditions so you can't fight back. There are so many things that can be done and are being thought about, if l told you some thing you would think i'm crazy.



I think as far as this would go would be the phasing out of organic seeds and being replaced with GMO. That is why it is important to save your own seeds and also boycott Monsanto and all their partners. Pepsi and nestle are in favor of GMO so make sure to tell all your friends to boycott them.
Lots more thsan that is supposed to be happening behind the scenes.

l believe most of civilisation will be killed off by these people (many ways to do it) UNLESS we have a rising in consciousness [which is actually happening]. The best way to raise world consciousness is to stop eating meat and killing each other, and with a shortage of food will come the sharp decline in livestock raising, so l do see great hope in the future.

[Living Food]

fully believe it is a NWO thing, so of course they have the money to do it...not the governments, but the people who have been robbing the governments blind for the last 100 years..the Rothchilds and the other plutocratic players. The trillionaire plutocrats own half the world's wealth because they are automatically owed 40% of any government money due to the gold standard being dropped, that's why governments and economies are going broke. They have so much money that they can never spend it. Why they want this money is to bankrupt governments so then they are totally dependant on plutocrats for money. This is pure power!!! When you have complete power you can do whatever you want against mankind. The thing is, these plutocrats want most of us dead because we have populated too much.

Anyway, HAARP technology will take care of all the backyard gardens. Whenever l speak out about this stuff l usually have most of my sprouts die the next day. At one time when l spoke out for weeks l had many trees suddenly die. Was it HAARP? They can apparently zap anything within a meter accuracy. Sounds crazy maybe, but apparently our technology is far more advanced than we are made to believe.

As crazy as it sounds, it is all 100% true.


They will probably introduce `Martial Law' so it is perfectly legal. But even better, they will convince the public it is in their best interests to give up home farming and they will get their neighbours to dob in any people who don't comply. Make people dependant on large GM farms and fill their bodies with chemicals so they can't think and mind control them, and very soon people will comply...it's working as we speak.

But...this is way down the track before they can pull this off. What they are going for is a cashless society, and with a cashless society comes our dependance on technology. So if people protest, all the authorities have to do is switch off your electronic money so you can't buy anything, and they will keep it switched off until you comply and don't protest. Notice how mobile phones are being used as banking and tracking systems now?...this is no accident, this is the very start of a cashless society where people are tracked. They say it's convenience, but that is how they con people into using the technology. Very soon i-technology prices will drop to almost nothing, and that's when everyone will use the technology, and that's when we stop being free. lt is sooo easy to control people and most people are not even 1% aware of the problem.

The biggest problem they have is the public being armed, but they will soon make it illegal to own guns without a special licence and conditions so you can't fight back. There are so many things that can be done and are being thought about, if l told you some thing you would think i'm crazy.

Also very true, like Mr Raw says it is happening even right now. Don't think people can be fooled like that? Think of all of the freedoms that they have all ready given up. Think of what we've already allowed. Fluoridated and chlorinated tap water. Toxic mostly useless vaccines. The mainstream medical establishment that keeps you sick. Mercury fillings. The list goes on and on. Oh, but fluoridation will save your teeth. And vaccines will save your children's lives. And pharmaceuticals are the best thing to happen to mankind. *rolls eyes* All they have to do is say something and 95% of the people will automatically agree, or else come to agree in time. Never mind the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, and the fact that their "evidence" comes form lies and faked studies. They don't even have to tell you not to look into this stuff. Most people are so dumbed down from all of the toxic chemicals in their bodies that they don't see anything wrong with a "healthcare" industry that just makes you sicker. And the people themselves will keep each other in line. Even if you just start talking to someone about how horrible vaccines are they will probably see you as crazy.

I would love to talk about this in loads of detail, but I have to respect the decisions of the moderators.

BUT...maybe in the next few days I will post a little "timeline" of certain government activities that may open people's minds. And it won't even include the more fantastic stuff that people wouldn't believe anyway.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

As crazy as it sounds, it is all 100% true.



Also very true, like Mr Raw says it is happening even right now. Don't think people can be fooled like that? Think of all of the freedoms that they have all ready given up. Think of what we've already allowed. Fluoridated and chlorinated tap water. Toxic mostly useless vaccines. The mainstream medical establishment that keeps you sick. Mercury fillings. The list goes on and on. Oh, but fluoridation will save your teeth. And vaccines will save your children's lives. And pharmaceuticals are the best thing to happen to mankind. *rolls eyes* All they have to do is say something and 95% of the people will automatically agree, or else come to agree in time. Never mind the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, and the fact that their "evidence" comes form lies and faked studies. They don't even have to tell you not to look into this stuff. Most people are so dumbed down from all of the toxic chemicals in their bodies that they don't see anything wrong with a "healthcare" industry that just makes you sicker. And the people themselves will keep each other in line. Even if you just start talking to someone about how horrible vaccines are they will probably see you as crazy.

When you drink the green juices and give up the chemicals, it is amazing how well the brain can function again. lt is true...people are so dumbed down that it is incredible. But to really dumb people down we side track them (slaves) with sport and hypnotise them with t.v and music while the plutocrats are busy planning our demise. lf you ever watch a news program, never look the news reader in the eye; looking them in the eye has a hypnotic effect so you don't question what they say. Always look to the side of the news reader and ALWAYS be aware of symbolism used in the background and on t.v. Even the unique type of music they always use in the news is programming...they always use a certain type of grand fanfare type of music that immediately changes the brain into acceptance mode...l am well aware of the effects because l meditate and have a great inner awareness, and even l must be conscious to fight it's strong effect on my mind. Even the electronic cell phone towers and phone are supposed to be programed to a certain frequency that programs mind control.

p.s: l don't watch the news or read the papers very much, but l do sometimes for a giggle and to test myself out so l am aware of the mind games they play. We are supposed to be swamped with violence everywhere now and young folks are bashing everyone senseless [according to the news], but all that is, is a trick to get the public into accepting cameras on every street corner thinking they are for our saftey. Even the wars are created by the media, and people believe there is an enemy and go to war. The inside job of 9/11 was incredible.


I would love to talk about this in loads of detail, but I have to respect the decisions of the moderators.
l think it is more the spiritual stuff that the mods object too because it could oppose some people's strong religious beliefs. l think talking about mind control and NWO plans might be o.k, if not, the mods will tell us.


BUT...maybe in the next few days I will post a little "timeline" of certain government activities that may open people's minds. And it won't even include the more fantastic stuff that people wouldn't believe anyway.
l would like to read it for sure.

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My favourite 60 second link from neurosurgeon Dr Russell Blaylock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8kgJfw699E

and another lecture of his l am about to listen to on the effects of chemicals on the mind. Listen to how the media avoided telling his story, and anyone who dared report it was removed from the job and all the corrupt people he faced by telling the truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEh3_JBDErw

Russ always does good talks. He comes across as a very smart man and has read much of the scientific literiture to support what he says.

[MysticTree]

Of course you question the news if you look the reader in the eye. Get a grip!

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

???

Oh, never mind. *rolls eyes*

[MysticTree]

You say I'm negative when I say the earth would be better off without mankind and yet so many of your posts are such paranoid doom and gloom. Sheesh!

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

It's time people woke up Mystic Tree. l haven't even warmed up yet. *wink* l only tell the mild stuff.

You should see the stuff l have on the legal system and the bankers. WOW.

[Living Food]

You say I'm negative when I say the earth would be better off without mankind and yet so many of your posts are such paranoid doom and gloom. Sheesh!

I believe that I explained this all in one of my earlier posts on this forum. It's not doom and gloom unless people give up and become hopeless. In order to become empowered and resist all of this you need to know what is going on.

[Living Food]

l would like to read it for sure.

I have all the information now, I just need to put it all in order and that's going to be a major pain.

[Living Food]

l would like to read it for sure.


Much of it will be based on the medical system, but there will also be some good stuff too. I've noticed on this form that some people still believe that vaccines are good things and other silly beliefs inspired by propaganda, so I'll give a lot of information on how vaccinations lead to disease, for example.

[lafsalot]

Living Food - the first place to gather your information about vaccines is right here on this forum. If you use the search engine, you'll see numerous reports about the adverse effects and helpful links, including one to sites that help people opt out of mandatory inoculations.

Admire everyone's passions here, but remember, other people have free will and often think and act in ways that are often unlike our own. Truth is (and you can choose to see this as a bitter pill or an enlightening revelation), there is no universally accepted concept of fairness or justice. One can protest that this is not the case, and insist that their own personal belief/moral system is universal, but it just ain't so!

Peace

Here's a helpful link:http://www.nvic.org/

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Much of it will be based on the medical system, but there will also be some good stuff too. I've noticed on this form that some people still believe that vaccines are good things and other silly beliefs inspired by propaganda, so I'll give a lot of information on how vaccinations lead to disease, for example.

My sproutarian friend always sends me amazing links on the dangers of Vaccines. Dr Blaylock also talks about it and mentions studies.

One of the world's most prestigious and respected `peer reviewed' medical journals (JAMA) also had a medical doctor prove that going to medical professionals was the third leading cause of death in the USA [behind cancer and cariovascular diseases].

Then there are links where top executives (retired) for massive drug companies have admitted that their drugs are largely useless and dangerous and that there research is faulsified and inadequate; the reps also admit bribing governments and saying that medical doctors know hardly anything exept for what they are told by the drug companies. The medical schools are largely funded by drug companies also, that's why they know nothing about health, but lots about giving people toxic drugs. lf the MD's really were good doctors, they would read the medical journals and would know that aspirin is dangerous, but hardly any of them read the journals so they know no better...they just rely on readers digest lol and the lies told to them by drug reps. The medical system is totally INSANE!!!

[Living Food]

Living Food - the first place to gather your information about vaccines is right here on this forum. If you use the search engine, you'll see numerous reports about the adverse effects and helpful links, including one to sites that help people opt out of mandatory inoculations.

Thanks, but I've accumulated plenty over the months. There's no way that I can do a comprehensive timeline anyway (far far too much to put on there), so I'll just stick with what I've laready got. I've also decided to omit links and let people just search for the info on their own if they want to know more. It takes too much time to always be showing people where you got your info and the like. Frankly it's been so long that I don't even have the sources for some of this info anymore, but it's all out there if anyone wants to search.

If other people want to also post evidence of that sort on this thread then that would be good. No matter how long
I end up staying on this board and posting about this sort of stuff I'll never be able to talk about everything I know because there's just too much information out there. I'm only going to post a tiny fraction of it.


Admire everyone's passions here, but remember, other people have free will and often think and act in ways that are often unlike our own. Truth is (and you can choose to see this as a bitter pill or an enlightening revelation), there is no universally accepted concept of fairness or justice. One can protest that this is not the case, and insist that their own personal belief/moral system is universal, but it just ain't so!

Peace

I agree. I just present the information so that those who are willing to look into it with an open mind can.


Then there are links where top executives (retired) for massive drug companies have admitted that their drugs are largely useless and dangerous and that there research is faulsified and inadequate; the reps also admit bribing governments and saying that medical doctors know hardly anything exept for what they are told by the drug companies. The medical schools are largely funded by drug companies also, that's why they know nothing about health, but lots about giving people toxic drugs. lf the MD's really were good doctors, they would read the medical journals and would know that aspirin is dangerous, but hardly any of them read the journals so they know no better...they just rely on readers digest lol and the lies told to them by drug reps. The medical system is totally INSANE!!!

Yes. The healthcare industry is really just a huge monopoly for pharmaceutical companies. Did you know that the AMA was formed because conventional medical doctors (there were far fewer back then) were losing loads of money to chiropractors and other alternative healthcare practitioners, so a group of them formed the AMA and immediately started a smear campaign to put the real doctors out of business? It's amazing what can be forgotten given a few decades.

[MysticTree]

I believe that I explained this all in one of my earlier posts on this forum. It's not doom and gloom unless people give up and become hopeless. In order to become empowered and resist all of this you need to know what is going on. Not really. Ignorance is bliss and all that. I have side-stepped a lot of conventional living. Not because I feel it will necessarily change anything but because I feel it is right for me and the environment; there is still room for improvement. Just live in the present wherever possible.

[lafsalot]

Not really. Ignorance is bliss and all that. I have side-stepped a lot of conventional living. Not because I feel it will necessarily change anything but because I feel it is right for me and the environment; there is still room for improvement. Just live in the present wherever possible.

Sometimes the only way to prepare for the worst is to create the best in the moment - works for me!

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

The certified organic situation gets even worse than the worst nightmare...much MUCH worse! Here is the nightmare:

Certified organic packaged food has been proven to kill you in countless ways
You will find that many certified organic packaged foods are doing massive harm because many of them like soy milk, almond milk or chips contain MSG. Now...it may say `MSG free' on the package, but don't be fooled because that is only a loophole...much of the packaged food still contains MSG! The way the companies get around it is by disguising the MSG name by calling it something else like:
• Hydrolyzed vegetable protein,
• Vegetable protein,
• Textured protein
• Protein extract
• Whey protein extract
• Enzymes
• Yeast extract
• Spices
• Natural flavouring
• Broth
• Stock
• Carrageenan

other MSG names in this link:
http://rense.com/general92/hidename.html

The only time the companies must report MSG in their food is if it contains 99%+ MSG. So if food only contains 98% MSG they can call it a different name by law. Hmmm, l wonder who makes these laws? Could the chemical companies be paying governments to make these laws?

Now for the real scary stuff about MSG with significant science to prove it:
* it damages the immune system for the lifetime of a person (nothing can repair the damage done to the parts effected), so it makes them more prone to cancer and other immune diseases.
* MSG is a powerful free radical generator.
* MSG also impairs glucose entry into the brain (the brain is almost entirely dependent on glucose), so the brain can’t run properly because it doesn’t get the feul. When the brain is starved of the fuel it needs it becomes 100 times more prone to the effects of MSG. WOW!!!
* MSG will permanently damage the brain connections.
* MSG also causes massive hormone problems, so infertility is highly possible. Even if a baby's mother ate MSG , their child can have trouble having babies when they grow up.
* MSG can also bring on puberty early. (And according to the China study, early puberty is a big factor in developing breast cancer)
* MSG can also cause lack of growth hormone, so people can be short.
* Unborn babies are four times more sensitive to MSG
* MSG can also cause diabetes and cardiovascular damage
* MSG's effects aren't often noticed straight away, it is the effects 40 years later that really do the damage, like heart attacks at 40 or severe mental problems
* MSG can make people have severe learning problems so they find it hard to learn things
*


MSG effects on animals
* If you give MSG to animals it will suppress the immune system for life.
• Very very Small organ weights
• Obesity and difficult to control…even exercise won’t help lose the weight in most cases because it alters part of the brain which helps stop obesity.
• Abnormal reproductive ability (small litters and infertility)
• Unprovoked rage and aggression and anti social behavior.
• Impaired cardivascular responsiveness (eg, when you run your heart speeds up too much)
• High cholesterol, VLDL, and tryglycarides…so increased chance of heart attack or stroke
* MSG will supress an animals immune system for the rest of their life

All these effects are reproduce-able in all animal species ever tested. You will find that these problems are quite likely to occur in humans also.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

So what is the motivation for adding MSG? And why have fertility rates dramatically decreased? And why are they still adding MSG to food and trying to silence people who speak out? Maybe they want a population decrease, and maybe they want the rest of us so stupid that we follow orders better.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Yes. The healthcare industry is really just a huge monopoly for pharmaceutical companies. Did you know that the AMA was formed because conventional medical doctors (there were far fewer back then) were losing loads of money to chiropractors and other alternative healthcare practitioners, so a group of them formed the AMA and immediately started a smear campaign to put the real doctors out of business? It's amazing what can be forgotten given a few decades.

+ BIG pharma makes most nutritional supplements (92% l think). All synthetic of course, with about 62% containing either petro chemicals, coal tar or terpentine. But if they contain 1% carbon they can be called organic. Crazy.

Even two highly prestigious double blind studies with well over 100,000 people have shown that big pharma nutritional supplements cause more disease in around 67% of studied subjects than groups who received placebo supplements (no nutrition supplement). + Drug company vitamin A caused lung cancer patients to develop more cancer than patients that never took their vitamin A. l could go on and on and on about this stuff, it's crazy!

[Living Food]

Not really. Ignorance is bliss and all that.

No, being a sproutarian is bliss. SAD eaters are ignorant, and they end up destroying their bodies so much that they get old and weak decades before they should, the majority suffer from one of more chronic diseases, a good deal of which are debilitating, they get sick (sproutarians never do), the list goes on and on. Very blissful, right? With that sort of bliss ot look forward to, maybe I'll go back to eating cooked and processed foods and drinking fluoridated water (I'll actually go out of my way to find fluoridated water to drink, no clean water for me, oh no, I want the highest level of bliss possible) so I can be nice and ignorant and happy. *wink*

Would you rather be ignorant of how bad SAD food is and still be eating it, Mystic? Would you be feeling the bliss a few years down the road when all sorts of chronic diseases started rearing their ugly heads?


Hmmm, l wonder who makes these laws? Could the chemical companies be paying governments to make these laws?

Nah, you're just a crazy conspiracy theorist. Go see a psychiatrist so he can dope you up on drugs and make everything all better.



The list of damage caused by GM foods and aspartame is as nasty as that of MSG.


+ BIG pharma makes most nutritional supplements (92% l think). All synthetic of course, with about 62% containing either petro chemicals, coal tar or terpentine. But if they contain 1% carbon they can be called organic. Crazy.

Even two highly prestigious double blind studies with well over 100,000 people have shown that big pharma nutritional supplements cause more disease in around 67% of studied subjects than groups who received placebo supplements (no nutrition supplement). + Drug company vitamin A caused lung cancer patients to develop more cancer than patients that never took their vitamin A. l could go on and on and on about this stuff, it's crazy!

Of course. It's a brilliant plan - some people start to wake up and realize a tiny bit of what's going on, maybe that processed foods aren't all that great for you and they're not getting enough nutrients, and they started looking for options. A few enterprising companies produce good-quality supplements extracted from actual foods (which are still far inferior to sprouts), but Big Pharma caught on, bought most of them out, and produces crappy supplements that actually make your health worse. Another new front opened up to separate us consumers and our money. And by producing health-damaging supplements they also set us up to get disease later on and they get even more money that way. The price of certain drugs is absurd, the whole scheme is to get people to pay thousands of dollars on drugs that won't even keep them alive, but that end up milking the person and usually their whole family for all the money they have. As long as we're poor we're easy to control, as long as we're sick we're easy to control, and as long as our mental faculties aren't working very well we're easy to control. Three strikes...we're out.

I wonder if Big Pharma doesn't leak some information about supplements being good for your health so that we end up buying them and thinking that we're making a good choice? It wouldn't surprise me.

[Living Food]

Sometimes the only way to prepare for the worst is to create the best in the moment - works for me!

Ah, but after you know what's going on, then you can create the best in the moment. Are you happy, positive and smiling 24/7? I am. I've got this huge grin on my face as I type about all of this "doom and gloom" as Mystic put it.

Why? Do I like what's going on? No, but because I know of all the ways that my health could get undermined, I can avoid them. If your health is good enough, you'll never get unhappy or down no matter what happens. If it hadn't been for all of the information I learned about health, the "health care" (better called "sick care") industry, etc then I never would have become a sproutarian. And I would have missed out on soooo much more then you can probably imagine.

As an SAD eater I was down and unhappy much of the time, and I didn't know why. Eventually I learned more about health and went raw. I felt better. Then I went sproutarian, and everything about my life improved dramatically, and now I'm always feeling great, in a great mood, and my energy and vibration is so much higher that I can "create the best" so easily. Had I just been focused on "creating the best" on SAD (and I did try that, but it was so hard because my health was very bad and I would end up with periods of depression and super low energy no matter what) then I would be much much less effective at it then I am now.

Very Very interesting "coincidences" happen when you're a sproutarian, things that have one chance in a million of happening to the average person are almost a daily occurrence.

[Living Food]

We are supposed to be swamped with violence everywhere now and young folks are bashing everyone senseless [according to the news],

lol. So true (that the media portrays things as they aren't and is used to promote fear).


but all that is, is a trick to get the public into accepting cameras on every street corner thinking they are for our saftey.

They're already here in most places in the US. I smile and wave :)

[MysticTree]

You seem to have swapped one lot of fear for another. I don't see how that is good. Fear is destructive.

[MysticTree]

you make it sound like you are the only one who knows stuff about the legal system and the bankers. Do something about it and you will have achieved something. Sitting there typing that you "have stuff" is just empty talk.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

No, being a sproutarian is bliss. SAD eaters are ignorant, and they end up destroying their bodies so much that they get old and weak decades before they should, the majority suffer from one of more chronic diseases, a good deal of which are debilitating, they get sick (sproutarians never do), the list goes on and on. Very blissful, right? With that sort of bliss ot look forward to, maybe I'll go back to eating cooked and processed foods and drinking fluoridated water (I'll actually go out of my way to find fluoridated water to drink, no clean water for me, oh no, I want the highest level of bliss possible) so I can be nice and ignorant and happy. *wink*
As my sproutarian friend always says.."people like to be all warm and fuzzy". Give them a t.v, SAD, plenty of chemicals and a beer and it's bliss.






Nah, you're just a crazy conspiracy theorist. Go see a psychiatrist so he can dope you up on drugs and make everything all better.
Yeah mate...now you're talking. *wink*




The list of damage caused by GM foods and aspartame is as nasty as that of MSG.
Even crazier is that there is a new fertilizer that is supposed to be allowed into the soils of certified organic that is even worse than aspartame. l never took note of it at the time l came across the information, but l will hopefully come across it another time. Given that `round-up' is now allowed to be used, l am sure the above sentense in no exaggeration.

If you want to know about GM food and the corruption behind the chemical companies, listen to the talk by Jeffery Smith:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94d-KVorSHM&playnext=1&list=PLB97FA36D17428A0F&feature=results_main
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPvkZv5MfRw&feature=related





Of course. It's a brilliant plan - some people start to wake up and realize a tiny bit of what's going on, maybe that processed foods aren't all that great for you and they're not getting enough nutrients, and they started looking for options. A few enterprising companies produce good-quality supplements extracted from actual foods (which are still far inferior to sprouts), but Big Pharma caught on, bought most of them out, and produces crappy supplements that actually make your health worse. Another new front opened up to separate us consumers and our money. And by producing health-damaging supplements they also set us up to get disease later on and they get even more money that way. The price of certain drugs is absurd, the whole scheme is to get people to pay thousands of dollars on drugs that won't even keep them alive, but that end up milking the person and usually their whole family for all the money they have. As long as we're poor we're easy to control, as long as we're sick we're easy to control, and as long as our mental faculties aren't working very well we're easy to control. Three strikes...we're out.

I wonder if Big Pharma doesn't leak some information about supplements being good for your health so that we end up buying them and thinking that we're making a good choice? It wouldn't surprise me.
One of the reasons why the RDA's were set so high many decades ago was to make people think they weren't getting enough nutrition. That's why Big pharma introduced dangerous high dosage supplements into the market..to capitalise on the false rda's. The irony is that many of the rda's are probably not enough for this day and age.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

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[MysticTree]

So stop doing any of that and change the system. We, for the most part, have opted into the system we live in and whether what you say it is TRUE or not makes very little difference how you are treated if you drive without a licence or fail to pay a fine. Being right (assuming for a moment that you are) is of little help.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

So stop doing any of that and change the system. We, for the most part, have opted into the system we live in and whether what you say it is TRUE or not makes very little difference how you are treated if you drive without a licence or fail to pay a fine. Being right (assuming for a moment that you are) is of little help.

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[lafsalot]

This thread has gotten so convoluted, I'm having difficulty following it. Btw, bliss is a state of mind. Anyone can attain it simply by going beyond their egos Creating the very best in every moment is a matter of being mindful.

What is with all these :winks:??

[MysticTree]

you posted that here before Mr Raw.

[MysticTree]

This thread has gotten so convoluted, I'm having difficulty following it. Btw, bliss is a state of mind. Anyone can attain it simply by going beyond their egos Creating the very best in every moment is a matter of being mindful.
I do agree. I guess some people feel they can only attain it with sprouts!

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

This thread has gotten so convoluted, I'm having difficulty following it.

lt's all tied up with NWO stuff.

Sproutarianism and weed eating is tied up with the NWO. Clement talks about it, l talk about it, Living Food talks about it, and various other sproutarians talk about it. lt's a lifestyle...but most important of all is what you say, knowing you inner self. Meditation is always the key.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Another big problem in the U.S is the fact that officials visit the non GM farms and quite often find cross contamination of GM crops growing in their (non GM) fields because winds and birds spread GM seeds. What happens then is that Monsanto (biggest supplier of the world's GM seeds) threatens either to sue these non GM farms or insist they burn the entire crop growing that year...in effect they are setting out to destroy all the non GM farms. So either the non GM farms get sued and go broke, or the non GM farms have all there non GM (regrowable) seeds eventually destroyed and are forced to buy GM (non regrowable) seeds. This strategy ensures that nearly all farms will eventually have to buy GM seeds each year. The problem is that these Monsanto officals and government food and saftey experts are all tied up togeather. Even Obama's food and saftey standard expert is an ex Monsanto man, and the President Bush senior was on the Monsanto board along with ex Regan government man Donald Rumsfeld. Many of the most powerful lobbyist for GM and food saftey experts and GM scientists are all linked to Monsanto and favour GM. When independant scientists speak out against GM, they are all threatened with lawsuits from Monsanto and are threatened to have their research funding cut off. Jeffery Smith has done much research into all of this and into the corruption and heavily floored studies showing that GM foods are the miracle food.

lt is said that 70% of supermarket foods have GM ingrediants.

[lafsalot]

AND let's not forget the man who personally helped Monsanto shed its chemical-related scandals and reinvent itself to dominate American agriculture.....none other than "Mr. Multiple Choice", Mitt Romney.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

and people are still going to vote for these people. When the heck are the American public going to wake up that the two main candidates men are usually ALWAYS controlled by big business, so in other words it is a fascist dictatorship (unelected power run by big business), not a democracy. The media are not on your side, they are on THERE side.

[MysticTree]

And for the second time in less than two months, something else on which we are in complete agreement. Shock horror lol ;) but politics is a taboo topic!

[delmar]

When the heck are the American public going to wake up Don't hold your breath

[Living Food]

You should look at some of the Executive Orders that have been passed in the last few decades:

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

* EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate:

o the National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities;

- the 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy;

- the Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency; and

- the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.

- the National Defense Resources Preparedness Executive Order, which essentially divies up control of everything in the US among the various cabinet members.

The government didn't pass these just for their own entertainment, you know; they'll use them if they can. All "national emergencies", acts of terrorism, etc are staged to make the people afraid and con them into giving up their rights.

Whether they'll have the opportunity or not...we'll just have to wait and see.

[Living Food]

and people are still going to vote for these people. When the heck are the American public going to wake up that the two main candidates men are usually ALWAYS controlled by big business, so in other words it is a fascist dictatorship (unelected power run by big business), not a democracy. The media are not on your side, they are on THERE side.

And who we vote for doesn't matter - the elections are rigged.

If you won't believe that, then look at it this way - campaigns today are all about how much money the candidates have; the one with more money pretty much always wins because he can buy more ads to influence the voters. Campaign contributions come form big business; whoever the corporations wants to win will get more money, and that's our new president.

Politicians DO NOT have our best interests at heart, they couldn't care less about us as long as they get elected/re-elected. But thankfully everyone seems to know THAT, at least. Although that raises the question, why does no-one do anything about it?

It's because everyone is so dumbed down with toxins in their food, water, air, drugs, watching television, brainwashing, etc etc.

[lafsalot]

I remain hopeful. Think we are finally starting to see "a critical mass that is reaching a critical mass" (IE Arab Sring, the Spanish Indignados movement, OWS, the Maple Spring in Quebec, the public workers in Wisconsin, etc)

Remember, oligarchs didn't just recently spring up here, they've been around since the Declaration of Independence, so it only stands to reason that is may take time for change.

AND since "politics" is a no-no here, I'll sum up my final two cents with two words: Third Party

[MysticTree]

Third Party

It isn't as simple as that. Just look at the state of the UK government.

[lafsalot]

It isn't as simple as that. Just look at the state of the UK government.

Of course it isn't as simple as that. It's just that Americans are finally coming to the realization that the choice between Dems and Republicans is the political equivalent to the choice between Goldman Sachs and Citibank, or in other words, none at all, and more and more will be (are) demanding a real alternative - one with a genuine set of people-first politics that attracts votes.

[MysticTree]

We've had the Lib-Dems since the 80s. We are now in a coalition government with the Tories and the Lib-dems. It's taken that long for the third party to get anywhere near being in power and it's taken a coalition to achieve it. At the next election they will probably lose a lot of support and we'll be back where we started. We need honest politicians!!! Real people who want the best for the country/world not what will put the biggest wad of cash in their pockets.

[lafsalot]

Although that raises the question, why does no-one do anything about it?

Apathy/inertia, plain and simple. A lot of people are of the mindset that anything you do is pointless because it is a no win situation, so why try?!! Unfortunately, that is exactly where "they" want us.




[/B]watching television, brainwashing, etc etc.

Thankfully, people no longer need mainstream media anymore to send and receive information. I don't think it's a coincidence that the uprisings we've seen in Iran, Tunisia, Egypt, and elsewhere have come at the same time as the advent of mass communication through social networking technology.

[lafsalot]

My bad - I posted twice again.

[lafsalot]

We need honest politicians!!! Real people who want the best for the country/world not what will put the biggest wad of cash in their pockets.

True that!!

[Non]

Although that raises the question, why does no-one do anything about it?

Apathy/inertia, plain and simple. A lot of people are of the mindset that anything you do is pointless because it is a no win situation, so why try?!! Unfortunately, that is exactly where "they" want us.




[/B]watching television, brainwashing, etc etc.

Thankfully, people no longer need mainstream media anymore to send and receive information. I don't think it's a coincidence that the uprisings we've seen in Iran, Tunisia, Egypt, and elsewhere have come at the same time as the advent of mass communication through social networking technology.

well, and also people need to study law at a prestigious university but not even that's guaranteed.

of course, people don't know how to use the judicial system.

of course people are apathetic, all they now is how to revolt violently. against martial law? of course.

also Fluoride, poisoning. And our current education system does suck anyways. the list seems inexhaustible actually.

People are not able to really unite. their power has been stripped apart from them. But we must have compassion instead of hating the general public. We are part of the public as well.

[MysticTree]

But we must have compassion instead of hating the general public. We are part of the public as well.

Yes. I don't hate them. I do feel sorrow for the situation though.

[lafsalot]

Yes. I don't hate them. I do feel sorrow for the situation though.

I don't hate them either.

[Living Food]

I don't hate them either.

Me neither. I feel compassion for them.

I also know they'll wake up...sometime.

[Living Food]

http://toronto.mediacoop.ca/newsrelease/13169
http://www.organicfoodbest.com/organic-farms-and-gardens-destroyed-by-hr-875-the-food-safety-modernization-act-glenn-beck
http://www.naturalnews.com/030799_food_freedom_Wickard_vs_Filburn.html

[Living Food]

GOOD news for once:

Growing GMOs banned in San Juan Washington (http://www.naturalnews.com/037943_GMO_Washington_banned.html)

Very nice to hear, especially after the Proposition 37 debacle.