celiac disease and raw

[T-Bird]

Hi all,

do any of you know anything about celiac and raw?

has anyone heard of someone with celiac who was able to eat sprouted wheat and rye without issues in a raw food diet?

thanks for any info or insight

[Raw Angel Mom]

I don't think you can do gluten at all. I heard that you can do wheat grass juice but you will need to research about this.

I have heard so much incredible story about reversing the impossible and it wouldn't surprise me that your body would heal from this condition if you help with your food choice and other factor such taking care of you emotionally.

P.S I am not a medical doctor.

[mpure]

most sprouts of grains that contain gluten are gluten free, you just have to be careful not to touch or eat the grain, and to rinse the sprouts very very well. i know this to be true for wheatgrass, and barley grass...you would also want to harvest them young. but going raw for celiac is an awesome idea, i wish i could talk some of my gf clients to do so! good luck!!

[PansyLo]

I don't think you can do gluten at all. I heard that you can do wheat grass juice but you will need to research about this.

I have heard so much incredible story about reversing the impossible and it wouldn't surprise me that your body would heal from this condition if you help with your food choice and other factor such taking care of you emotionally.

P.S I am not a medical doctor.

I don't think your body would heal from the condition, it's a reaction to something nobody should really eat anyway because gluten is bad for you. I'm gluten intolerant too.
I haven't sprouted any grains. There isn't much grain involved in raw.
I'd just avoid it unless you know for sure you can eat it.

I think wheat grass is gluten free, when you look it up though it's all mixed ideas on it. Not all of wheat contains gluten and most people say the grass doesn't. It's a little confusing to try and research though.

[streetsurfer]

The problem here is celiac disease and other variations of gluten intolerance very often cause a person to develop leaky gut along with the inflammation that arises from the gluten damage in the intestines. As a result of that you develop food sensitivities, where your body forms antibodies to food proteins that leak into the blood stream through the compromised intestinal barrier. Very easy then to become food sensitive to wheat. That is a seperate condition on top of the gluten intolerance of celiac disease. In a case where you have formed the antibody, eating wheat sprouts or juice, even though it may not trigger the celiac, will give your immune system a wild ride as it attacks your body wherever the the leaked incompletely digested proteins are in transit on their way to removal. Overburdened with detox, they will be deposited in tissue, organs, and joints and the immune system then attacks those to try and rid them of the invading proteins.
I feel anyone with celiac disease should be tested for leaky gut and if that is positive, then do ELISA food testing.

[Raw Angel Mom]

I don't think your body would heal from the condition, it's a reaction to something nobody should really eat anyway because gluten is bad for you. I'm gluten intolerant too.
I haven't sprouted any grains. There isn't much grain involved in raw.
I'd just avoid it unless you know for sure you can eat it.

I think wheat grass is gluten free, when you look it up though it's all mixed ideas on it. Not all of wheat contains gluten and most people say the grass doesn't. It's a little confusing to try and research though.


I certainly cannot argue with you in term of logic etc... because scientifically you cannot heal from many condition and neither less, they still have been miraculously reverse.

You never know, everything is possible and i certainly believe in miracles because i have witness a few.

Sometime our intention can interfere but if we know in our heart that things will be ok, then your intention add on to the healing process.

There was a person on this board that had a dead thyroid and her condition reversed. Some had bad reaction with food and they are ok now. On women couldn't walk due to MS and she does now. So again, you never know, but one thing for sure i know, if we don't upgrade our diet or eliminate what make us sick in the first place, we cannot progress that much.

All the best!

[PansyLo]

^ I wont rule it out as possible but I don't know if I'd be volunteering to test it out! It's not that I doubt the possibility, there are a lot of things we simply do not know. Food is powerful.

I think my main point of it not curing celiacs is that celiacs is mainly a SAD diet problem. There are so few raw foods containing gluten. To know if it had been healed by raw food you'd have to eat gluten which is predominantly not raw. There is the exception of sprouted grains but I'm really not that interested in them when there's an abundance of grasses, nuts, beans, seeds etc to sprout.

I am interested in wheat grass though... when I get to that stage with my raw journey I'll have to do some better research into it.

[Raw Angel Mom]

^ I wont rule it out as possible but I don't know if I'd be volunteering to test it out! It's not that I doubt the possibility, there are a lot of things we simply do not know. Food is powerful.

I think my main point of it not curing celiacs is that celiacs is mainly a SAD diet problem. There are so few raw foods containing gluten. To know if it had been healed by raw food you'd have to eat gluten which is predominantly not raw. There is the exception of sprouted grains but I'm really not that interested in them when there's an abundance of grasses, nuts, beans, seeds etc to sprout.

I am interested in wheat grass though... when I get to that stage with my raw journey I'll have to do some better research into it.


I wont rule it out as possible but I don't know if I'd be volunteering to test it out! It's not that I doubt the possibility

I am not saying by any mean to go ahead and test this out. I am only trying to give hope and not give up. If you read careful my first reply, i mentioned that he won't be able to make exception at all. I know that very little of gluten, will affect them negatively and they cannot make exception. If i mislead, then i am confirming not to test it out and to respect this condition. On the other hand, we never know what the body can do by providing what is best for the body always.

[Charybdisjim]

Sprouts of glutinous grains DO contain glutin. A sprouted glutinous grain will contain LESS glutin than the seed had before sprouting, but in this early stage there will still be glutin present. Although enzymatic breakdown of glutin during sprouting is significant, the process is not a complete one and it would be inadvisable for anyone with a glutin allergy or celiac to treat such sprouts as glutin free. Someone with a milder intolerance to glutin may find they can handle those sprouted grains, but this is a matter of degrees and not of the sprout being glutin free.

A young grass (wheatgrass for example) will be mature enough that the enzymatic breakdown of glutin will have pretty much removed it from the plant; as someone else has mentioned it is still crucial you harvest them well before they begin to seed because a plant that mature will have begun producing glutin as it ramps up for seed production.

http://glutendoctors.blogspot.com/2010/06/blog-post-is-gluten-in-sprouted-grains.html

Trying a raw vegan diet to manage your Celiacs is a good idea though. Just remember that wheatgrass is probably ok, but sprouts of glutin containing grain seeds is probably not. Also note that some commercial wheatgrass products contain wheatgrass of varying maturity and sometimes can be contaminated with overly mature seed-bearing wheat. I would advise growing your own if you experience a problem with any store-bought product.

[PansyLo]

^ Good to know!! Thank you. It's good to know for sure rather than going on assumptions.

I'm glad that wheat grass should be safe.

[Charybdisjim]

Yeah I wanted to double check on wheatgrass in case I was feeding you bad information -

This article suggests it is gluten free as long as its actually all young grass with no seeds or seed-bearing plants mixed in by accident or neglect
http://celiacdisease.about.com/od/everydaymedicalissues/f/Are-Wheat-Grass-And-Barley-Grass-Gluten-Free.htm

And this pretty skeptical somewhat anti-wheatgrass article also concludes that home-grown wheatgrass should be gluten free:
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/voracious/2011/04/wheatgrass_gluten-free_or_gluten-full.php

I included the second article because I figured that the tone and attitude of the author suggested that if there was a readily availible study suggesting it was not safe for celiacs they would have done their best to find it. I don't particularly agree with their attitude, though their notion that wheatgrass grown in soil would possibly be better for you than mat-grown wheat grass is at least something I would agree with. I don't agree with their sentiments regarding the nutritional value of it as a food though, particularly for a raw vegan. Although it is not normally something one would consider a dense source of vitamin b-12 compared to parts of a SAD diet, it can be a rather helpful one compared to other options open to a raw vegan and particularly one with celiacs.

I would however also point out that although wheat-grass can contain non-trivial ammounts of b12 (varying based on growing conditions) that studies strongly and nearly unanimously suggest the need for b12 supplementation in long term vegan diets in general. The owner of the site has been rather proactive about making that point and has created several stickied topics to elaborate on the need to be aware of this and detailing sources of vitamin b12 including fortified nutritional yeast.