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The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)
07-19-2012, 09:57 AM
l met a friend tonight to give him a taste of my diet. He eats the typical SAD diet and drinks 6 - 10 cans of beer each weekday and has far more on weekends, yet he can pass for 18 - 20 despite being around 40. He has great genes and works 12 hours a day as a labourer and is strong and almost one foot taller than me, and much bigger overall. And here is me....bad genes with a nightmare family history on health, everything bad you can image is in my families health history, and everyone gets arthritis and many become cripples. l have never had much muscle, was usually quite weak, had bad bones, always got stressed, and always got tired and felt toxic very easily..especially in the mornings and usually felt groggy and tired until it got to about 4pm each day.

He tells me that l am too thin and that l will start getting weak from eating the sprouts. l say that l am strong and got good muscle on this diet and he says that he could easily beat me in an arm wrestle. He does heavy work 12 hours a day, yet l have been too busy to even do any exercise in the last 9 months (l hate not doing any, but l am flat out doing so many things). We do the arm wrestle, and he gets the shock of his life. Naturally the odds are stacked way against me because of the circumstances l wrote about above, but he comments on how incredibly strong and collected l am when doing the wrestle. He was trying as hard as he could, yet l was carm and not bothered in the least. After a couple of minutes of intense pressure l eventually told him i'll let him have it...but l could have went on for much longer and managed to match him in strength all the way. His arm was aching, yet mine felt no pain and fatique at all. He admitted he was wrong and said that these sprouts must be pretty good stuff. l'm going to challenge him again, but this time l am going to make some time for weight resistance exercises. l have got thinner than l have been because l haven't done the resistance exercises needed to keep a good weight with really good muscle. You can eat way under 1,000 calories a day, yet you can still maintain a good weight and muscle if you do the weight resistance exercises, otherwise you start getting thin. lt's a good wake up call, l need to start doing the exercise and getting my weight up again.

The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)
07-19-2012, 10:12 AM
l forgot to add...since raw l no longer get sick, never feel much stress [despite being a former weavyweight stress head], usually feel on cloud nine 95% of the time, sometimes even cloud ten, have bones that feel like iron (used to feel like l was going to break my legs), don't feel any fatique, a strong mind, a high spirituality, very strong, high energy, very positive and loving with much empathy, much enhanced creativity, incredible visuals of my environment...the sky and the clouds look absolutely mind blowingly AMAZING every single day...lots of tracking of the natural solar system at night as l do my sprouts...l become one with the universe and have deep thoughts. Many other great things on the sprout diet also. l am a completely different man of the raw sproutarian diet, l am almost like a machine and driven by a spirit. Nothing seems like an effort anymore...life is a pure joy and l sing me heart out every day through pure joy. There doesn't appear to be any boundaries anymore, l feel l can do anything.

The greatest impact of the raw food diet is on the mind.

l no longer feel the cold. l used to always get cold very easily and it was a nightmare for me each winter, and l used to get very depressed in winter. But now l no longer feel the cold and l feel like l am living in paradise everyday during the dark cold winter. l don't care at all if the skies are gray for the next 5 months, l feel great. The chia greens are responsible for that. The omega 3's are a miricle and do help with depression and seem to insulate me from the cold.

Raw Angel Mom
07-19-2012, 10:50 AM
Very impressive Mrs. Raw. I hope for him to ditch this beer some day and go with the very minimum plant food. I glad that he seeds that plant food are something to consider.

Anyway, i cannot say, that i don't get sick, i work full time and provide for my family so the stress adds up. But i am not 100% pure raw food either. Your story is helping me to achieve my goal with live food. I hoping for more skill.... so so clumpy with the gardening and sprouting. I have no problem with legume but the microgreen is a different story.

I would so love for you to have your own site some day or sell a dvd to show some tips, anyway, i will keep trying.

All the best and thank you for sharing!

p.s Are you going to stay religious about the sprout. Meaning, do you feel that you pass the point of craving for more comfort food. When you do crave, what do you do?

Living Food
07-19-2012, 12:24 PM
Much the same story here (as Mr Raw). I was quite weak and sick during my younger SAD years, but I wouldn't have had it any other way - that's what motivated me to start learning about health and eventually lead me to where I am now. Now I never get sick, don't get cold or tired, pretty much immune to stress, etc.

I'm also far stronger then I ever was despite not doing much weight training (I love doing it but don't have the equipment). It's not that I don't have time, just that I don't have the money. I improvise; in the woods I've gathered rocks ranging from 30 to around 100 pounds and use those as weights. Doing pull-ups at a tree branch with a 30 pound rock clasped between your feet is actually a lot trickier then just using a weight belt because you need to push inward with your feet in order to keep the rock in the air, working lots more muscles.

Where there's a will there's a way.

Mr Raw - I wouldn't have let that friend win, not because of ego or some other silly reason but because you are representing this diet and lifestyle; the more you impress your friend the more the diet + lifestyle will impress him, and the more likely it is that he will consider doing it.

Raw Angel Mom - I don't get any cravings anymore, I have no desire for anything other then sprouts and fresh fruit when it's in season.

delmar
07-19-2012, 03:18 PM
...And here is me....bad genes with a nightmare family history on health, everything bad you can image is in my families health history, and everyone gets arthritis and many become cripples...

Are you talking about RA or just wear and tear on the joints? My wife has been diagnosed with RA and I have been wondering about specific sprouts that will get the immune system firing on all cylinders.

Living Food
07-19-2012, 03:33 PM
Delmar, look up "immunomodulators". Also try to treat her health holistically instead of just attempting to treat one condition. Cleanses can do miracles, especially in conjunction with juice fasts. Is your wife raw?

Specific sprouts? I don't know; maybe allium sprouts? Again, thinking holistically you realize that any green sprout will be very beneficial because it removes the underlying causes. Ann Wigmore tells a story in her autobiography of how wheatgrass juice alone (and a "fresh vegetable meal") helped an elderly man with arthritis.

"And just a few blocks away in a dismal room, the wheatgrass juice drink was being taken regularlyby an arthritis sufferer, a middle-aged man with badly swollen ankles, knees, and elbows. He was unable to leave his quarters. Without friends, undernourished, his body afflicted with almost unendurable spasms of pain, the only relief seemed the inescapable doom ahead. Yet the regular drinks of wheatgrass juice, coupled with a fresh vegetable meal each evening, brought startling results in a few weeks. The man hobbled from his room, began to bask in the sunshine, and greeted his astonished acquaintances."

You can read the whole book for free online here (http://www.whale.to/a/whysuffer.pdf).

I would definitely add wheatgrass juice to her diet at the very least, and lots of other green sprouts and microgreens.

delmar
07-19-2012, 03:57 PM
My wife is SAD so far and has, up until recently been the primary barrier to my going fully raw. Last week however she did express interest in trying a juice fast, so it looks like I have an opening.

SunshineMN
07-19-2012, 04:56 PM
Oh delmar, that's wonderful news!

I haven't been diagnosed with arthritis yet but my mom suffered from it starting at 40. Her mom was also very arthritic at one time when I was young. Wish I knew what she did to get better, but she did. I also believe both of her sisters also had it. I have had a lot of problems with my one hip and knee, and the other hip had started hurting too. I've never been 100% raw, but after we started maybe 80% raw vegan, I don't have near the pain I used to. I'm adding wheatgrass within the next month hopefully. I'll also be growing an assortment of microgreens to eat and juice occasionally. I'm hoping to get rid of the pain completely this way and also be able to completely kick the SAD food cravings.

Living Food
07-19-2012, 06:16 PM
I haven't been diagnosed with arthritis yet

Yet??? Don't say "yet", that's defeatist. Disease is just that...a state of "dis-ease". It isn't natural and you cannot get it if you take the proper steps to be healthy. No one should suffer from any disease, it's all avoidable and all curable (tricky tricky tricky to cure genetic diseases, though, so those don't really count). You don't have to get arthritis just because it runs in your family.

Rant over :)


I'm adding wheatgrass within the next month hopefully. I'll also be growing an assortment of microgreens to eat and juice occasionally. I'm hoping to get rid of the pain completely this way and also be able to completely kick the SAD food cravings.

Awesome! You go all the way and really up the sprout intake and arthritis doesn't stand a chance!

SunshineMN
07-19-2012, 07:33 PM
LOL What I meant Living Food is I probably could be diagnosed with it but I avoid doctors like the plague until I'm almost dead. I don't trust doctors in the slightest and I haven't for a very long time. I'm doing what I think is the right thing based on 2 years of research on the internet and lots of information learned here. I also think one big part is I believe it will work and I know it will work.

By the way, the last round of antibiotics I had a couple months ago made the joint pain much much worse and it started getting better within a couple days of ending the pills. I won't be doing that again.

Raw Angel Mom
07-20-2012, 07:30 AM
Raw Angel Mom - I don't get any cravings anymore, I have no desire for anything other then sprouts and fresh fruit when it's in season.

Wow, this is good to now Living Food. ..... How long have you been doing this sprouts and fruits only. Do you do gourmet or only strictly live food??? When did you start????

Living Food
07-20-2012, 01:13 PM
I started seriously learning about health 2 years ago, which quickly led me to raw food. So for about 18 months I've been on a raw food diet, but only in the last few did I switch to sproutarianism and have my life really kick into high gear. Interesting story, I read somewhere about sprouts being very good for you and while searching the internet found the Sprouting! (http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?64973-Sprouting!&highlight=sprouting%21) thread here 5 months ago, which really resonated with me. Now I wonder how I could have possibly existed on a diet of days/weeks/months old store-bought produce from depleted, devitalized soils and thought it was the best thing for my health *shudder* Anyway, that's the reason that I'm on this forum today (never went on forums before).

Pretty soon after reading that thread I ordered pounds of alfafa, chia, flax, lentils, mung + adzuki beans, peas, millet, sunflower seeds, and wheat (for wheatgrass) for sprouting (and some sprouting jars and trays) and immediately got going right after they arrived. There was a learning curve, but now I'm doing it like an old pro :) Since then I've greatly expanded my sprouting repertoire and now have more variety in my diet; even though I only eat a few different foods every day I switch it up every day as well (keeping the most potent greens most days though).

So, "standard" raw food = about 13 months, sproutarianism = about 5 months. Even when I was doing just "standard" raw food I didn't do much gourmet, I always knew that simpler food with minimal processing is better. Now I do absolutely no gourmet, there's no need - sprouts + weeds taste good to me now :eek: And of course I know that gourmet/standard raw is so far below sprouts that I would never eat it now.

I started on my sprout journey just eating + blending them (to avoid heavy detox), but quickly transitioned into juicing and that's when everything really started to happen. Juicing green sprouts + microgreens + grasses (and weeds) is unparalleled. Nothing even comes close. My whole life it's like I was staggering around in a daze, now life exceeds my highest expectations and it's just getting better every day, + I even feel like I was blind before compared to colors now, everything looks so vibrant and vivid and alive. I was feeling much better on just the raw food diet (with lifestyle changes and after doing heavy cleansing) then I did on SAD, but that's nothing compared to how I feel now, I don't even feel human, but like something much greater. I'll confess something - at first, when reading Mr Raw's description of how he felt on a sprout diet, I thought he had to have been exaggerating - not anymore! And to think he's been doing this for over a year and I'm only on 5 months + feeling these changes, I can't wait to see what the futures going to bring. Life. Is. GREAT! All of my days now are pure bliss, I can't even describe it because no one will be able to understand unless they've experienced it.

Well, I think that's enough for now...I don't usually like talking like that because most people probably won't be able to understand it and might think I'm just making it up, but if people know just how amazing this way of living is then maybe more will try it. I don;'t understand why more people don't, it doesn't take long at all for your tastebuds to adjust, it's cheap, and the effects are like nothing you'll ever believe. Give up the weak store-bought fruits + veggies and start living on real food and you'll soon understand the real meaning of life and just how awesome it can be.

Raw Angel Mom
07-20-2012, 01:53 PM
Thank you so much to take the time to respond to my question.

Now i will ask you a very strange question. What blood type are you????

I am not a follower to the blood type etc... but i don't completely discriminate it entirely because according to this book, i should avoid nuts and guess what, i don't do well at all with nuts, lol.... I should avoid avocado but now i do great with avocado after water fasting, before, i couldn't digest them well. One highlight from this book, is that his food recommendation is clearly from the food guide (sponsor by the dairy farm association), so if we have to take and leave from this book we can come to conclusion that type O, for instance do well on a high protein plant food such sprout, leafy greens, chlorella, spirulina. They do well also with nut/seed, fruit vegetable. They should avoid wheat. Wheat grass doesn't have gluten, so in my opinion, it would be a go for it.

I am just curious about you and mr. Raw which blood type are you?

I feel more then your success is base on the magnetic energy from the food you eat. Meaning, sprout are clearly still full force alive and have great energy and nutrient. This aspect is needed by our cells.

Anyway, thank you for sharing, i love reading your posts.

Living Food
07-20-2012, 03:36 PM
Oddly enough, I am type O. Coincidence? ...Who knows?


type O, for instance do well on a high protein plant food such sprout, leafy greens, chlorella, spirulina. They do well also with nut/seed, fruit vegetable. They should avoid wheat. Wheat grass doesn't have gluten, so in my opinion, it would be a go for it.

There might be some (emphasis on some) truth in the blood type diet way of thinking, but we both know that it would be a small difference; the belief that certain types of people need meat to be healthy is absurd, for instance. But you said that type O does well on nuts/seeds, fruits, and vegetables as well, and this is a major indicator to me that blood type isn't that important. I did much better on that type of raw food then on SAD (no surprise there), but it was absolutely nothing compared to the sprout diet. If I tried to go back to living on such devitalized foods I would start feeling horrible in comparison to how amazing I feel now.

Well, I just looked up "Type O diet" to see if this might have to do with blood type; disappointing. Apparently I do well on animal protein and should avoid legumes, grains and many nuts like the plague, lol. Let's see, now...I was consuming lots more animal protein and less beans + nuts on SAD, felt far far far worse. I was consuming far less legumes + grains on "standard" raw, felt better then on SAD but still much worse then i do now. I'm consuming far more legumes + grains (and a fair amount of nuts) now and feel absolutely amazing! Strike 1. Apparently my muscle tissue should be "slightly on the acid side". Hmmm...I was far far more acidic on SAD and felt horrible, I was more acidic then I am now on standard raw and felt worse then I do now, and now I'm the most alkaline I've ever been (lots of fresh green juices) and feel the best! Strike 2.

And I found on one website that type Os should avoid sprouts! Strike 3.

Maybe some part of blood typing is accurate, but it doesn't seem to be the case for me.


I feel more then your success is base on the magnetic energy from the food you eat. Meaning, sprout are clearly still full force alive and have great energy and nutrient. This aspect is needed by our cells.

Absolutely. I bet that if you took a sizable group (statistically significant) of every different blood type and put them all on a sproutarian diet (and they actually adhered to it), they'd all do amazing and feel the (unbelievable) changes Mr. Raw and I have. The only situation I can think of when that wouldn't be the case would be for people who have problems eating foods such as legumes and nuts (and most simple allergies can be cured), but even then there's a solution - the real trick to the sproutarian diet is the green sprouts + microgreens. I don't care what diet you eat, everyone should include fresh green sprout juices in their daily routine. If you want the absolute highest levels of health and vitality then full-blown sproutarianism is the way to go, but even if you lack the discipline then you can still get amazing benefits from adding at least 32 oz of fresh green sprout juices to your daily routine, even better if you add weed juices as well. You can even eat mostly store-bought fruit if that's your cup of tea (not ideal), but if you add the green juices then you're still getting absolutely mind-blowing, amazing nutrition.

And Raw Angel Mom - I think that you can probably do just fine on a diet of store-bought fruit because you seem to be very spiritual and detoxified. I still maintain that the average person can't do very well on it, but I make an exception for you *smile*

The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)
07-24-2012, 10:35 AM
Your story is helping me to achieve my goal with live food. I hoping for more skill.... so so clumpy with the gardening and sprouting. I have no problem with legume but the microgreen is a different story.
Pity. When you consume good quantities of microgreen juice everyday, raw becomes much much easier.


I would so love for you to have your own site some day or sell a dvd to show some tips, anyway, i will keep trying.
l now have my own site and l will post it in time when more work has been done. l am also doing some youtube videos on sprouting and the sproutarian lifestyle...you are one of my motivations for doing the videos....got lots of things l want to talk about...sprouts are such a misunderstood food + the sproutarian lifestyle needs to be understood much better and the principles behind the lifestyle.



p.s Are you going to stay religious about the sprout. Meaning, do you feel that you pass the point of craving for more comfort food. When you do crave, what do you do?
l'll always stick with the sprout because l know it is such a complete and perfect food, by far the best food of them all.

When you drink lots of fresh green sprout juice everyday you'll find that you won't get hungry or crave any foods. ln actual fact, now l am spending most days just on juices until night time and l need to remind myself to eat because l don't get hungry when l consume lots of juices. l've been experimenting and have noticed that when l do eat solid food that it is old mental habits, it is not actual pysical hunger. l now know that it is time to try living on green juices completely to see how l go. lf l could pull this off l know that it will be a big piece of freedom....freedom from having to eat and grow so many foods....freedom to grow just 10 green sprouts and drink my meals and get them over with within 5 minutes....and freedom to know that if the power goes off for years and everyone starts raiding food and garden supplies, l can simply live off grass and weeds and be free from any worry. lf l can get properly motivated l know l can do this and pull it off.

Have 750 - 1,000 ml of sprout juice (mainly microgreen juices) with 100 - 200 ml of grass juice, + sea weed juice and algae juices and l feel completely satisfied....no hunger, no cravings, no feeling full or empty....just right and not feeling a slave to anything. That's what the sproutarian lifestyle is really about...eating the highest foods so you can eventually free yourself from the prison that food creates...creating your highest self...souring spirituality, energy...realising your true perfect self.

The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)
07-24-2012, 10:46 AM
I feel more then your success is base on the magnetic energy from the food you eat. Meaning, sprout are clearly still full force alive and have great energy and nutrient. This aspect is needed by our cells.
lt is, it is! That is the purest source of energy, and sprouts have that energy more than any other land food. Electrical frequency is the most important thing in food.


Anyway, thank you for sharing, i love reading your posts.
That makes me happy to read that. Definitely makes me want to get the word about sproutarianism out there as much as possible.

The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)
07-24-2012, 10:56 AM
Raw Angel Mum: l'm not sure what blood type l am.


Oddly enough, I am type O. Coincidence? ...Who knows?



There might be some (emphasis on some) truth in the blood type diet way of thinking, but we both know that it would be a small difference; the belief that certain types of people need meat to be healthy is absurd, for instance. But you said that type O does well on nuts/seeds, fruits, and vegetables as well, and this is a major indicator to me that blood type isn't that important.
Eating for blood types is silly. At HHI they put every single person on a raw vegan diet. They always get SAD eaters protesting that they will die if they don't eat flesh because of their blood type. Well...every single person has done well on the vegan diet despite their blood type.


Well, I just looked up "Type O diet" to see if this might have to do with blood type; disappointing. Apparently I do well on animal protein and should avoid legumes, grains and many nuts like the plague, lol.
Interesting. l find l am reasonable with nuts and seeds and legumes, but l would much rather drink green juices than have to eat those things. l always feel my best on green juices, but when l add mushed up seeds/nuts l feel that l have usually pushed myself too much.


And I found on one website that type Os should avoid sprouts! Strike 3.
How silly! Probably some government website or something related to the illuminati.


I bet that if you took a sizable group (statistically significant) of every different blood type and put them all on a sproutarian diet (and they actually adhered to it), they'd all do amazing and feel the (unbelievable) changes Mr. Raw and I have. The only situation I can think of when that wouldn't be the case would be for people who have problems eating foods such as legumes and nuts (and most simple allergies can be cured), but even then there's a solution - the real trick to the sproutarian diet is the green sprouts + microgreens.

l agree!


I don't care what diet you eat, everyone should include fresh green sprout juices in their daily routine. If you want the absolute highest levels of health and vitality then full-blown sproutarianism is the way to go, but even if you lack the discipline then you can still get amazing benefits from adding at least 32 oz of fresh green sprout juices to your daily routine, even better if you add weed juices as well. You can even eat mostly store-bought fruit if that's your cup of tea (not ideal), but if you add the green juices then you're still getting absolutely mind-blowing, amazing nutrition.
Very very true. Enough can't be said about how great this diet is.

Raw Angel Mom
07-24-2012, 11:10 AM
I was wondering where you were, lol....

Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. I have a bunch of fresh sprout and i will juice them.

All the best!

Living Food
07-24-2012, 01:13 PM
ln actual fact, now l am spending most days just on juices until night time and l need to remind myself to eat because l don't get hungry when l consume lots of juices.

I still have a long way to go to get to that level, but that's fine - if I'm feeling this great while still eating lots of solid food it will be interesting to see how I will feel once I start living on green juices (probably much much better). Something to look forward to.