Sleep

[drraw]

I've heard from a few sources that if you eat a raw food diet for a while, you eventually need less sleep. The premise seems to make sense: you digest food easier, there are less toxins in the system, conversion efficiency from food to energy is very high, etc.

I'm curious to hear from some of you long-timers. Has your sleep patterns changed since you went raw and how long did it take and what happened?

--drraw

[Raw Angel Mom]

I definitely don't need as much sleep but it is hard to measure for me because since giving birth, i had problem to have complete good night sleep due to stress, hormone etc.. When i first went raw it was great then i started to have other health issue and sleep problem. After doing water fast, it has restore, yeah....

Bottom line, raw food has been a great help for me but it didn't immune me from the side effect of stress etc... I had to dig deeper with fast and still need to do so.

All the best!

[MysticTree]

sleep is easier and more restful. I don't know if I need less because I have much healing still to do and I place a lot of faith in the power of sleep when it comes to healing.

[fastfreedom]

I haven't noticed needing less sleep. I need the same amount and sometimes more depending on how active I have been during the day. Though I do have more restful sleep and find the only reason that I awake during the night is if I need to visit the bathroom.

[Living Food]

I barely need any sleep at all these days; nothing really happened after I went raw, even after a few months, but after I became a sproutarian and started doing qi gong and meditating (cultivating life energy) I now only begrudgingly go to sleep at night because I know that it is still very important for health. I could probably easily stay up 48 hours straight and still have loads of energy now, but I sleep for a few hours (from 2-6, depending on how busy I happen to be during that particular night and how much time I can set aside to sleep) every night anyways because not sleeping is very damaging to your health.

I feel like at some point I'm going to be able to get by with just 1-2 hours of sleep a night and suffer no ill effects - I can already get by on that much sleep and still feel great, but it's probably not the best thing for my body.

Sleep just isn't very important anymore, I pity those people who struggle through the day with no energy and can't wait to collapse into bed at nighttime (and probably watch television during all of their free time *shudder*). How do they ever get anything done?

[MysticTree]

I think there is a lot of enjoyment to be had from sleeping :) I enjoy it enormously but I wake up after about 6-8 hours. I imagine I'll need less when I have been raw longer. Much healing needed yet.

[Living Food]

But would sleeping be as enjoying if you never got tired? I don't dislike sleeping, but I'm at the point where I don't really get tired but I still need some sleep for body maintenance, which is unfortunate because sleeping seems unnecessary (based on my energy levels), even though I know it isn't.

[MysticTree]

Yes I think so. I enjoy the dreams I have for the most part. The stress comes when you can't sleep but you want to.

[Living Food]

The stress comes when you can't sleep but you want to.

I used to have that problem too, but now I fall asleep within minutes of lying down to go to sleep (despite not being tired). I feel like that's how our body should work, and you'll get there eventually.

[MysticTree]

I'm already there too :)

[Living Food]

I'm glad :)

[SunshineMN]

I've always felt sleeping is a waste of time. I still hate sleeping. I'm looking forward to a time when I can get by with less than 6 hours and still be healthy. I'd do much better if we had 28 hours a day instead of 24. If I do get tired and take an hour nap I'm good for another 16 hours it seems. :/ Which at this point for me isn't very healthy.

[MysticTree]

Bf, previously on anti-depressants for both depression and inability to sleep has stopped taking them now he is mostly raw. He wakes up better too.

[blissrunner]

When I eat high raw I feel rested on 2 hours less sleep a night and it's easy to get out of bed in the morning. However, if I'm under severe stress this doesn't happen no matter how raw I eat.

[MysticTree]

You need better stress coping mechanisms :) What have you tried so far?

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

l know at least three people who don't go to bed at all. One person (a certified Saint) hasn't been to bed in over 12 years. Another friend hasn't been to bed hardly all year, and my sproutarian friend has only been to bed two or three times since Easter. All these guys do deep meditation.

l can get down to 90 minutes a night when i'm really firing. When l don't meditate my sleep requirement will double or triple, but i'm sure in time l will be able to get my regular sleep down to 2 hours and possibly be able to do without any sleep when l meditate like my friends do. Good things take time. lf you try going without sleep without meditating you will likely die.

[MysticTree]

How many hours a day are these people meditating? It's obviously taking the place of sleep.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Yes, it does take the place of sleep and is much more refreshing than sleep. The Saint meditates 12 hours a day minimum, the other fellow meditates up to 22 hours a day straight (his girlfirend used to meditate with him 22 hours a day also), and my sproutarian friend meditates 3 - 15 hours a day. Another fellow l know works 12 hours a day, goes to bed at 11pm, wakes up at 1am and then meditates to 7am and then gets ready for work. l try meditating or 6 hours a night, but it has been difficult lately because l have had ALOT of research to do behind the scenes into the law and spiritual activity...got thousands and thousands of pages to write and haven't even had time to do the sprouting website or do the raw food research that l need to be doing. l need 50 hours in the day because l am hopelessly bogged down of late, l can't even post here much at the moment.

[MysticTree]

Yes, it does take the place of sleep and is much more refreshing than sleep. The Saint meditates 12 hours a day minimum, the other fellow meditates up to 22 hours a day straight (his girlfirend used to meditate with him 22 hours a day also), and my sproutarian friend meditates 3 - 15 hours a day. Another fellow l know works 12 hours a day, goes to bed at 11pm, wakes up at 1am and then meditates to 7am and then gets ready for work. l try meditating or 6 hours a night, but it has been difficult lately because l have had ALOT of research to do behind the scenes into the law and spiritual activity...got thousands and thousands of pages to write and haven't even had time to do the sprouting website or do the raw food research that l need to be doing. l need 50 hours in the day because l am hopelessly bogged down of late, l can't even post here much at the moment.
If he's meditating that length of time then no wonder he doesn't need sleep. Not more value than sleep. Different value.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

The thing with me and my sproutarian friend is that we have decided to make the sacrifice and meditate much less because we want to help people. We could easily be selfish and meditate every spare moment, but we want to teach other people and help make their lives better. Posting here is a big sacrifice, but the higher powers have told me to do it as well as do my website and youtube videos. Quite frankly l would rather not do it, l would rather meditate, but l want to share my experiences and knowledge so people can have what l have too.

[MysticTree]

if meditating meant you needed less sleep then that would be valid but it doesn't save any time. It takes up more time. I like meditation and consider it valuable but I like sleep and consider it valuable too. Balance is everything.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

If he's meditating that length of time then no wonder he doesn't need sleep. Not more value than sleep. Different value.

l find that when l don't meditate l need much more sleep. To me and many people it is more value than sleep. Thing l have observed is that old habits die hard, that's why l find it hard to forgo sleep, but obviously other people have made the adjustment by overcoming a mind full of old habits and can do without sleep, but they have reported it was hard to do at first.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

if meditating meant you needed less sleep then that would be valid but it doesn't save any time. It takes up more time. I like meditation and consider it valuable but I like sleep and consider it valuable too. Balance is everything.

l like sleep and do like my two hours and even more. That's why l don't want to give it up at the moment.

Meditation does take more time but it is well worth it. Meditation and enlightenment elevates the soul soooo much. l now pick up snails, talk to them and pour out my love to them. l feel so connected with the universe and l know that l am connected with the universe and the beings in it. lf you ask the sun, moon and advanced beings for help in meditation they will help you instantly and enhance the meditation, that's how l know l have the connection. We are all electromagnetic and connected and indeed the sun and all the other planets are intelligent beings. l better not say anymore, you guys will think i've flipped my lid. The stuff that is going on in the universe is simple INCREDIBLE!!!..lots and lots of dimensions and crazy stuff beyond your wildest dreams. l am nothing special, we all have this ability when we become enlightened.

The sun is NOT a giant ball of gas, it is an electromagnetic sphere that has intelligence. When you meditate and become enlightened you quickly find that out. l could tell you some people's experiences with the sun but l don't think it's such a good idea to spill the beans...people won't be ready to hear it because it will blow them out far too much.

[MysticTree]

I have always picked up snails and talked to them.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

I have always picked up snails and talked to them.

l know you have, and l will always remember that and appreciate that. You are obviously a reasonably intune soul and have an awareness, not many people do.

l was never a great soul (my soul was always slightly intune but it was low level)...l had to start from the bottom, but boy oh boy have l progessed in leaps and bounds. l remember mentioning 12 months ago that l was going to put up some coppor to stop the snails from getting all over my sprouts, but now l couldn't stand the thought of doing such things. l am feeling such a love for everything now, but l can't count my chickens too early because enlightened souls can easily fall and lose the magic. We have never arrived, we must always strive to progress. We are like little ants today, but we can become giants tommorrow. lf you aren't connected you don't have anything except emptyness and darkness, but that's not a bad thing because we can all bring light into our lives, but we need to be ready to take that step.

l'm getting off topic here so l better keep a lid on it.

[MysticTree]

I talk to most things and give them names. I sobbed for three hours straight the other day when all our hens were killed. Don't forget to show buildings some love btw. Lots are so sad.

[Living Food]

(his girlfirend used to meditate with him 22 hours a day also)

Not to be too specific here, but...isn't that kind of thing an impediment to your spirituality?


l remember mentioning 12 months ago that l was going to put up some coppor to stop the snails from getting all over my sprouts, but now l couldn't stand the thought of doing such things.

I used to hate bugs so much, especially spiders. I killed any spider within 10 feet of me and when I was younger I would amuse myself by stomping on ants and other insects...just thinking about it saddens me now. I stop what I'm doing to watch ants + spiders and other bugs going throughout their day, smile at them and send them love, and even feed them [yup, I feed insects + arachnids, lol]. A couple months ago I would spend entire days lying in the grass watching insects and other creatures just living their lives, and if they crawled all over me I didn't care one bit.

We're all in this together, and really we're all one. Killing ANY living being is committing an unpardonable offense and harming yourself + everything else on the planet. I don't even meditate (well, not Quan Yin meditation), I've just had such a huge expansion in consciousness and spirituality due to eating sprouts + drinking green sprout juice.

Clean out your body, feed it the nutrition it needs, and stop putting toxins + drugs in it and it's amazing what happens. The main purpose of the drugs and toxins in our food + water lower is to lower your spirituality and make it very hard to be compassionate and see what is really going on in the world.

I love every living being on the Earth (including the Earth) so much that it's sometimes overwhelming. Life is better then my wildest dreams.


l'm getting off topic here so l better keep a lid on it.

Nah, the off topic bit is always my favorite part...


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I especially love talking to trees and wild animals. They never talk back but I sense that the trees are very wise and could tell me amazing things if I could understand them, and I've had some very interesting encounters with foxes, squirrels and deer. They always used to run away whenever they heard me (and still run away from anyone else), but they let me get very close now and sometimes I get the treat off sitting within 10 feet of a group of deer while they eat their breakfast unconcernedly. I would join them if I could find a way to use my manual juicer out in the woods, then we could all eat weeds and grass together.

Materialism is nothing compared to being in tune with nature and all living things, people really do have their priorities in the wrong order, big time. I wouldn't give this lifestyle up for any amount of money, prestige, fame or power in the world.

[Living Food]

It's actually really funny. I'm not just content to turn people into sproutarians, I'm getting all sorts of bugs + animals on them too!

[Living Food]

Mystic, are you still drinking sprout juice?

[MysticTree]

no. Growing conditions not brilliant. I'm not even eating sprouts just now.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Not to be too specific here, but...isn't that kind of thing an impediment to your spirituality?
lt could well be. We are all at different levels. Some people can meditate 22 hours a day, but it doesn't mean they are gurus. Some people who meditate 2 hours are can be further down the path than more devoted meditators.




I used to hate bugs so much, especially spiders. I killed any spider within 10 feet of me and when I was younger I would amuse myself by stomping on ants and other insects...just thinking about it saddens me now. I stop what I'm doing to watch ants + spiders and other bugs going throughout their day, smile at them and send them love, and even feed them [yup, I feed insects + arachnids, lol]. A couple months ago I would spend entire days lying in the grass watching insects and other creatures just living their lives, and if they crawled all over me I didn't care one bit.

We're all in this together, and really we're all one. Killing ANY living being is committing an unpardonable offense and harming yourself + everything else on the planet. I don't even meditate (well, not Quan Yin meditation), I've just had such a huge expansion in consciousness and spirituality due to eating sprouts + drinking green sprout juice.

Clean out your body, feed it the nutrition it needs, and stop putting toxins + drugs in it and it's amazing what happens. The main purpose of the drugs and toxins in our food + water lower is to lower your spirituality and make it very hard to be compassionate and see what is really going on in the world.

I love every living being on the Earth (including the Earth) so much that it's sometimes overwhelming. Life is better then my wildest dreams.
WOW Living Food, you have GOT IT! That's what the sprout diet is all about. lt connects you with EVERYTHING!!!

l've been out picking blueberries and spiders crawl over my hands, but l don't feel afraid because l feel at one with them and everything in the universe.





I especially love talking to trees and wild animals. They never talk back but I sense that the trees are very wise and could tell me amazing things if I could understand them, and I've had some very interesting encounters with foxes, squirrels and deer. They always used to run away whenever they heard me (and still run away from anyone else), but they let me get very close now and sometimes I get the treat off sitting within 10 feet of a group of deer while they eat their breakfast unconcernedly. I would join them if I could find a way to use my manual juicer out in the woods, then we could all eat weeds and grass together.
Since all plants and animals are electromagnetic you would have a connection with them, but you aren't advanced enough to be able to speak with them yet (either am l), but some old souls can talk to animals and plants.


Materialism is nothing compared to being in tune with nature and all living things, people really do have their priorities in the wrong order, big time. I wouldn't give this lifestyle up for any amount of money, prestige, fame or power in the world.
You have finally worked it all out and you are on your way to great things. You think life is good now?..just imagine how great life will be when we leave this prison planet. That's why we never want to live forever on this planet, because life is so much better in other worlds. lf you read that sleeper thread l gave you, your spirituality will soar even higher and you be changed forever. That sleeper thread has worked wonders on me.

Thanks for the great post Living Food, it was beautiful to read.

p.s: l have another Sleeper thread along with his two books to send you soon, this will do the most complete job that we could wish for, but it will still create more questions than answers, but it will put you well ahead of the game because you have been one of the chosen few to come across this information. About 1,000 pages in all, and among the best 1,000 pages will ever read. This is straight from E.T about all the greatest secrets of the universe. Ya know...some things are so bizarre in other universes that souls can even be inserted into machines or dead bits of wood so they become living entities, it's beyond crazy.

When you read this these sleeper threads you will know that no human being could ever be making this stuff up, it's far to crazy and beyond human imagination to ever go there.
You think some of these fairy tales in stories are made up? Well in my experience some of the most bizarre stuff is actually a reality. My guess is that many of these crazy writers didn't have great imaginations, they were experiencing other dimensions and writing about them. You wouldn't believe the crazy looking creatures that walk this planet...stuff from fairy tales man. *smile*

[MysticTree]

you don't have to eat only sprouts to be a good/kind person. And when it comes to talking to plants and animals, well we can all do that. What you mean perhaps is understanding when they talk back. We can all do that too if we listen. It doesn't need a sprout only diet either.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

you don't have to eat only sprouts to be a good/kind person. And when it comes to talking to plants and animals, well we can all do that. What you mean perhaps is understanding when they talk back. We can all do that too if we listen. It doesn't need a sprout only diet either.

true to all, but shallow souls need all the help they can get to become deep souls. The sprout diet is excellent for ordinary men to become great men, better than any other diet me think. You are obviously an older soul than what l am, but boy oh boy have l come such a long way, l have been reborn again.

yes, understanding when plants and animals talk back. l have a cat and l can read her like a book, l never would have been able to do that once.

Late edit: btw, l was incorrect to say that meditating with your partner is unconductive spiritually. Two or more people meditating togeather is better than one usually. When a whole group meditates togeather the power can be HUGE!!!...many many times the power of one, but sometimes people can get distracted by the noises of others when they meditate in a group.

Just wanted to say, snails are so cute because l love how the carry their shells on their back. Such old creatures. l dislike it very much when l step on them by accident, but at least the intention to kill isn't there.

[MysticTree]

I found a small snail the other day snailing in a very dangerous place so I picked him up to put him somewhere safe. We had a brief chat as he crawled to the top of my finger. I introduced him to my bf and then put him down in the hedge - the snail, not my bf!

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

beautiful, simply beautiful. When they crawl all over my sprouts l pick them up and relocate them on the other side of the yard while l talk to them and gently put them down. Since the weather has got warmer l have notice those big fat slugs are starting to turn up again, they get into everything, morning and night l will find about eight lodged into my sunflower greens and wheatgrass, they love the sunflower greens the most. Gotta wash my sprouts to get all the goo off them.

[MysticTree]

I'm not fond of the slugs like I am the snails but I don't kill them. There is only one thing I have difficulty not killing. Mosquitoes when they are in the bedroom and trying to eat me! I'm working on that one.

[MysticTree]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2193986/Matteo-Walch-8-strikes-remarkable-friendship-clan-marmots-Austria.html#ixzz24nd2Y43Q

for you Mr Raw

[Living Food]

was incorrect to say that meditating with your partner is unconductive spiritually. Two or more people meditating togeather is better than one usually. When a whole group meditates togeather the power can be HUGE!!!...many many times the power of one, but sometimes people can get distracted by the noises of others when they meditate in a group.

Good point. I wasn't talking about the meditation though, but rather the "partner" aspect.

[MysticTree]

You can have a partner without having sex all the time if that's what you mean and they were meditating 22 hours a day when would they have had time?

[Living Food]

they were meditating 22 hours a day when would they have had time?

Another very good point; I hadn't slept for the last couple of days (too much to do), my brain wasn't working quite like it should have.

Even sproutarians have to sleep sometimes.

An interesting fact, most people will die within a week to 10 days of not sleeping at all (advanced meditators being exempt), but after just 3 to 5 days nearly anyone will go insane (advanced meditators still exempt). It's a pity sleep is so important, it really does cut into the work you could get done in a 24-hour period.

[MysticTree]

Sleep is important but takes up less time than meditating. It should be possible, with discipline/practice to combine the two for maximum benefit and efficiency.

[namllets]

I have to say this has not been the case for me. I did 100% raw vegan from 2003 to 2010 and I needed about 8 hours a night to feel rested. But I didn't do any cleanses during that time which I'm doing now so that might have made a difference. I have to say that I agree in theory that it would make sense, the less toxic you are the less sleep you need.

Dr. Rubin Naiman has done a lot of cutting edge and pioneering work on the subject of sleep. Check his stuff out!

[Living Food]

Mr Raw (or anyone else), do you know of any way I could use a manual juicer in the woods? I'm thinking I might be able to bring something sturdy to clamp it onto, but I don't know what would work.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

You can have a partner without having sex all the time if that's what you mean and they were meditating 22 hours a day when would they have had time?

Living Food and Mystic Tree:

Orgasm during sexual relations is the highest physical sensation we can experience in this world, but `samadhi' during meditation is a higher sensation and explains why people can meditate for long periods of time. There is this nun who goes out to the woods and plans to meditate for the day, but she often goes into samadhi and ends up returning home a week later. Samadhi is the highest possible sensation we can experience on Earth, and when one goes into constant samadhi (even when awake) they need to leave their partner because they are at the level where physical attachment is far outweighed by the spiritual. This is why various Yogi's will leave their wife and job and go into the forest to meditate...they are at such a high level that the Earth pleasures have no appeal or hold on them and they live in a high level spiritual world.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

I'm not fond of the slugs like I am the snails but I don't kill them. There is only one thing I have difficulty not killing. Mosquitoes when they are in the bedroom and trying to eat me! I'm working on that one.

l don't even kill mosquitoes, l would rather get bitten and come up in welts that kill them, but l wasn't always like that. lt takes time.

A raw sprout diet will keep the mosquitoes away. People around me get bitten, but they won't bother me on the raw sprout diet. l used to get bitten all the time. Kulvinsaks says the same thing, they don't like biting people on high alkaline toxin free diets who have relatively clean blood.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Mr Raw (or anyone else), do you know of any way I could use a manual juicer in the woods? I'm thinking I might be able to bring something sturdy to clamp it onto, but I don't know what would work.

You would need a flat piece of wood that you can place over two logs. Kneel down on the flat bit of wood to keep it from sliding. Or nail the piece of wood into two old dead logs.

[MysticTree]

Living Food and Mystic Tree:

Orgasm during sexual relations is the highest physical sensation we can experience in this world, but `samadhi' during meditation is a higher sensation and explains why people can meditate for long periods of time. There is this nun who goes out to the woods and plans to meditate for the day, but she often goes into samadhi and ends up returning home a week later. Samadhi is the highest possible sensation we can experience on Earth, and when one goes into constant samadhi (even when awake) they need to leave their partner because they are at the level where physical attachment is far outweighed by the spiritual. This is why various Yogi's will leave their wife and job and go into the forest to meditate...they are at such a high level that the Earth pleasures have no appeal or hold on them and they live in a high level spiritual world.

I don't care if they have partners or not or whether they have sex or not. I'm just not interested.

[MysticTree]

l don't even kill mosquitoes, l would rather get bitten and come up in welts that kill them, but l wasn't always like that. lt takes time.

A raw sprout diet will keep the mosquitoes away. People around me get bitten, but they won't bother me on the raw sprout diet. l used to get bitten all the time. Kulvinsaks says the same thing, they don't like biting people on high alkaline toxin free diets who have relatively clean blood.

Raw garlic keeps them away and actually, since I have asked them not to come, they mostly stay away. Also it is getting colder so there are fewer about anyway.