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What is the cheapest way to eat raw vegan. I wish to live a minimal life style that is mostly self sufficient. I am starting sprouting and gardening but what is good for winter?

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

What is the cheapest way to eat raw vegan. I wish to live a minimal life style that is mostly self sufficient. I am starting sprouting and gardening but what is good for winter?

Good food for winter is:

* sesame seed sprouts
* nut sprouts
* sunflower seed sprouts
* lentil sprouts

[SunshineMN]

If you have the space consider growing a few things in containers or flats indoors. A cherry tomato plant in a large container (http://www.amazon.com/Laguna-Lily-Planting-2-Inch-9-Gallon/dp/B000J3FW10/ref=sr_1_41?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1335787920&sr=1-41) can sit easily in a corner of a room. You can grow sunflower greens or pea greens in flats (http://www.amazon.com/Durable-Black-Plastic-Growing-Trays/dp/B000E7OYMY/ref=sr_1_1?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1335787772&sr=1-1). Grow a few containers of fresh herbs such as cilantro, basil, chives, parsley, dill, mint plants, etc. You can grow baby leaf lettuce in flats or if you want bigger lettuce use a window box (http://www.amazon.com/Dynamic-Design-MB3612SD-Medallion-36-Inch/dp/B004DGIZGI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1335786537&sr=8-2). My grandma had a small lemon tree in her dining room near a sunny window that produced lemons. Not very many at a time but it was a great ornamental plant that was also useful. Indoor plants also help with air quality. :)

I'd like to try a cucumber plant or two indoors as well. Ah... if I only had a basement...

[Raw Angel Mom]

You can juice celery and carrot and stick with this for MONTHS.

The simpler you eat, the better it is for your health anyway.

You can start sprouting also for pennies.

Eat apples, they are always economical. SO SO GOOD FOR YOU too.

The beauty about raw food, is that it doesn't have to be complicated for you to see amazing change.

Sunflower seed also are economical. Save those pumpkin seed in the fall, they are amazing and packed with iron.

[delmar]

I sprout more millet seed than anything else. I buy it by the lb in the bird seed section at Big R. The price just went up to $.79/lb
I bough flax seed at Kroger last week for $3.50/lb

I sprout them (http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?68020-Flax-sprouts-made-easy&highlight=) together. I have settled on a mix of 3 parts millet one part flax. It is the cheapest food I have ever found that I didn't forage for.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

I sprout more millet seed than anything else. I buy it by the lb in the bird seed section at Big R. The price just went up to $.79/lb
I bough flax seed at Kroger last week for $3.50/lb

I sprout them (http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?68020-Flax-sprouts-made-easy&highlight=) together. I have settled on a mix of 3 parts millet one part flax. It is the cheapest food I have ever found that I didn't forage for.

Yes, Millet sprouts are great. l've had a break from the millet for a few months, but l am onto it again and just soaked my first batch this evening. l'll probably have it everyday for a couple of months.

[delmar]

Yes, Millet sprouts are great. l've had a break from the millet for a few months, but l am onto it again and just soaked my first batch this evening. l'll probably have it everyday for a couple of months.I like to mix it with flax because flax has more flavor.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

l'm not interested in flavour these days. *wink wink* My taste is very very plain. Our taste buds can imprison us, so l find it better to move on and experience a higher lifestyle as a result. l don't want to focus on food at all, l want to focus on the higher dimensions because that is where we eventually be headed. lf we can move past food addictions we can experience many great things.

l would never eat flax and bird seed sprouts (millet) together under any circumstances because that is an incombined meal and health potential is slightly compromised. We have so many bad habits as human beings, that's why l try to live very plain these days. lf my taste buds wanted something more exciting, l would simply turn my back and walk the other way.

But that is just me...l think you are doing really well Delmar. And quite frankly, l think everyone that pursues the raw food path is doing something pretty special.

[Raw Angel Mom]

l'm not interested in flavour these days. *wink wink* My taste is very very plain. Our taste buds can imprison us, so l find it better to move on and experience a higher lifestyle as a result. l don't want to focus on food at all, l want to focus on the higher dimensions because that is where we eventually be headed. lf we can move past food addictions we can experience many great things.

l would never eat flax and bird seed sprouts (millet) together under any circumstances because that is an incombined meal and health potential is slightly compromised. We have so many bad habits as human beings, that's why l try to live very plain these days. lf my taste buds wanted something more exciting, l would simply turn my back and walk the other way.

That is my goal to eat plain, lol.... gosh it is challenging especially when you need to be creative for my little angel. Anyway, i just do my best and the rest will fall into place. Looking forward to be an expert on sprouting. Have you consider to start a youtube or something? I would certainly watch you to learn some tip.

All the best!

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Have you consider to start a youtube or something? I would certainly watch you to learn some tip.

All the best!
Yes, got lots to say about raw foods and sprouting. l plan to turn the raw food movement on it's head because l feel it's time the raw movement started to get real. Too much nonsense raw food youtube videos around (99% of them). l want to wake people up to the reality of raw foods; not for ego, but because l want people to do raw properly...l was born to do this. Raw leaders are going to hate me, but we need to stop living in dream land. l'm nothing special, l just want to bring common sense to the movement.

l am not going to water down my message for anybody. People go raw to get away from SAD and to experience amazing feeling of well being, but how many actually do long term? Too many raw fooders water down the diet because they make so many compromises by incombining meals, eating store/farmer market produce etc. But l will never teach such compromises. l am only interested in teaching the highest and safest eating method, and to move on from addictions. l am going to teach to eat plain and not to be tied down by food and the mind. People can water down my diet if they want, but l want to teach the highest purest way of thinking and eating that is possible. People don't need to be tied down by habits...people can take the ball in their own hands, take full responsibilty and grow up! lt's not hard to do...if you think you are worth it, you will do it. We just need to elevate our thinking. We have been brainwashed with SAD mentality for far too long, and raw fooders are still restricted by that old skinking thinking. Throw it all out (the addictions) and start again, because we are all worth it. We don't need to baby to people by adding honey to this and spices to that and incombining meals...get rid of it all, and lets do raw properly!!!

[MysticTree]

you are too "hair-shirt" for me and I like sprouts and raw foods.

[Raw Angel Mom]

Dear Mr Raw, what i was thinking is about how you do your sprout, lol.... You are so good with that. Do a youtube and share your passion but in no way imposing your life style on others.



It is already an amazing accomplishment that someone will go vegan. It is extraordinary that someone will go 100% raw vegan. The rest is how our spirit is ready. Letting go pleasure from the taste isn't for everyone because it is a journey of where we want to evolve. I know what you mean by tasting the life, because i can feel this amazing energy when i eat a simple food and especially freshly picked.

All is well!

p.s Many are successful following Allissa's approach, because she makes it so easy and bearable to do. In time, we naturally upgrade our life style.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

you are too "hair-shirt" for me and I like sprouts and raw foods.

We humans are so grounded by our attraction to physical comforts and living. Pthh, it's so over-rated. Raw foods and a tough mentality should go hand in hand, but raw foodists and the old SAD mentality seem like very similar things. l don't really understand it. Before l joined any raw forums, l always thought that raw fooders were tough folks that pulled weeds out of the ground and ate sprouts as the main food, but shortly after l recognised that most were a bunch of softies struggling with old SAD mentality of addiction to fats and sugar. l don't make negative judgements either...it's just a neutral observation.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Dear Mr Raw, what i was thinking is about how you do your sprout, lol.... You are so good with that. Do a youtube and share your passion but in no way imposing your life style on others.



It is already an amazing accomplishment that someone will go vegan. It is extraordinary that someone will go 100% raw vegan. The rest is how our spirit is ready. Letting go pleasure from the taste isn't for everyone because it is a journey of where we want to evolve. I know what you mean by tasting the life, because i can feel this amazing energy when i eat a simple food and especially freshly picked.

All is well!

p.s Many are successful following Allissa's approach, because she makes it so easy and bearable to do. In time, we naturally upgrade our life style.

Yes, l don't negatively judge anyone for taking a softer approach to raw (better raw than SAD), it's just not for me. l can see how many people do like the softer approach and how they get pleasure from eating that way.

l fully support the gourmet way of eating, that's why many people come here. All l see my role as is just to remind people that sprouts and grasses play an important role in the diet as well. Do Alissa's food, but don't neglect the sprouts...have the sprouts, sunflower greens, grasses and Chlorella every single day. l am only in the shadows here (this is not my stage, so l try keeping quiet most of the time out of respect), but occasionally l pop my head out to remind people to not water down the raw vegan diet too much...keep it fun, but keep it potent.

[Raw Angel Mom]

((((Mr.Raw))))

Blessings!

[delmar]

l would never eat flax and bird seed sprouts (millet) together under any circumstances because that is an incombined meal and health potential is slightly compromised. We have so many bad habits as human beings, that's why l try to live very plain these days. lf my taste buds wanted something more exciting, l would simply turn my back and walk the other way.

I am really new to raw food and in many ways still quite ignorant. The first thing I did, when I read this post was google "incombined meal" and came up empty. Could you suggest some articles or books or something on the subject?

[mommyliz]

i think he means 'not properly combined' according to food combining principles. you can look up food combining rules (raw vegan) and natural hygeine as well

[kgrjohn]

Sorry, what?

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

I am really new to raw food and in many ways still quite ignorant. The first thing I did, when I read this post was google "incombined meal" and came up empty. Could you suggest some articles or books or something on the subject?

l'll get back to you on this and l will also post a food combining chart that will be of major help. lf you want to get the most out of your quality food, food combining is a must. Why waste quality food with compromises.

[delmar]

l'll get back to you on this and l will also post a food combining chart that will be of major help. lf you want to get the most out of your quality food, food combining is a must. Why waste quality food with compromises.Thanks for getting back to me.

[walnutty]

Mr. Raw,

It would be a lot easier to take your opinions seriously if you had a picture of yourself for your profile pic instead of Kelly Clarkson (I believe?)....

[delmar]

Is that Kelly? I just thought mr raw was really attractive!

[MysticTree]

I just thought he was expressing trans gender stuff. I wouldn't know who Kelly Clarkson is.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Mr. Raw,

It would be a lot easier to take your opinions seriously if you had a picture of yourself for your profile pic instead of Kelly Clarkson (I believe?)....

Some people are ready to hear what l have to say, but most aren't. Some people will eat healthy and treat all people well, but most people won't eat well nor treat most people well. That's how life is, people are at different stages. We can't convince everyone [nor do l try], but l try and help where l can, and l do try and plant seeds in the hope of finding someone who may be interested in knowing more about what l have learnt.

But truely....the more people take me seriously on a public forum, the worse it is for me personally, because it means my workload greatly increases and l have less time for meditation. But...if we have good helpful positive knowledge, we do have an obligation to serve mankind by helping and sharing our experiences. lt would be easier for me to just concentrate on my website and do lectures and write books and sell stuff, but l don't want to do that, why should l sell something that is not my own?? Nothing anyone sells is their own.

So many people want to be taken seriously and become respected and famous and make money in the raw food world, but why??? lt's completely meaningless...it's all an illusion anyway. No photos, no fame....obscurity is good!

l would love to post my picture, but let me consult with high level spiritual leaders first. Posting photos online allows for the `mayan forces' to project strong negative vibrations into those pictures. Negative thoughts are very powerful energies, so l need to be careful when l am promoting something which runs contrary to the mass human enslavement that the illuminati control. When l show people how to get out of the Matrix, the illuminati will use the black magic and the mayan forces will smash me to the ground because they can focus on my picture. l've been a victim numerous times of illuminati black magic, and it is horrible.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Mr. Raw,

It would be a lot easier to take your opinions seriously if you had a picture of yourself for your profile pic instead of Kelly Clarkson (I believe?)....

Yes, l should probably post a picture of a highly spiritual yogi or Master Ching Hai. l only posted that current picture because it is a really beautiful picture, a very fine elegant looking face of the highest order. lt's not a sexual thing, l just appreciate such a fine look like someone appreciates art.

l will change it to something more appropiate shortly.

[MysticTree]

Just post a picture of you so that your picture expresses the success of your lifestyle. You aren't a yogi. It would be wrong to suggest you are.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Just post a picture of you so that your picture expresses the success of your lifestyle. You aren't a yogi. It would be wrong to suggest you are.

l'll try and catch up with S't Alan during the next week and see what he thinks. lf l am lucky l might be able to catch him between meditation sessions tonight. l know he'll be meditating all night tonight, so hopefully i'll be able to catch him during a toilet break or something. lf S't Alan can't advise me, i'll ask the `master' for advice or meditate on it until l receive the answer myself.

[MysticTree]

We're talking about a picture. Isn't a picture a bit trivial a thing to bother someone so important with?

[walnutty]

Please....don't change it for me...lol...it's just that every time I see a post from you I think there's a skinny, pimple-faced teenage boy hiding behind your name...lol...

I'm sorry, because I really don't want to offend you, but your profile pic throws me off, so I usually don't read your posts...just being honest...

[delmar]

We're talking about a picture. Isn't a picture a bit trivial a thing to bother someone so important with?For me and obviously for you a photo of ourselves is something we are not deeply concerned with. Some cultures give different weight to such matters. My mother grew up Amish and I can tell you it was a very serious thing for someone to snap a photo my grandparents.

[delmar]

But truely....the more people take me seriously on a public forum, the worse it is for me personally, because it means my workload greatly increases and l have less time for meditation. But...if we have good helpful positive knowledge, we do have an obligation to serve mankind by helping and sharing our experiences.

If I ask any questions that you don't have time for please don't feel burdened on my account.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Please....don't change it for me...lol...it's just that every time I see a post from you I think there's a skinny, pimple-faced teenage boy hiding behind your name...lol...
l can see where you are coming from.


I'm sorry, because I really don't want to offend you, but your profile pic throws me off, so I usually don't read your posts...just being honest...
No offense taken at all. People who get offended always have big egos (l have no time for such nonsense), but when much of the ego (the ignorance the imprisons all of us) within us is overcome it is very difficult to get offended by anything. l like brutally honest people.

Walnutty: when we see this picture below many of us are guilty of just seeing some dumb old cow, but behind that cow lies miracles and seeds of true greatness that tells a story far better than the greatest fiction story ever told. Folks judge books by their covers, but there is far more to some books than just their cover's.
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b151/Marc_au/Ron1/Ron2/Ron%204/Ron%205/Ron%206/Cow.jpg

So the question we all must ask is....why is the cow here? This is one of the most important questions that faces mankind. lf we can answer that question, we can unlock the door that houses the true wisdom and knowledge to everything!!!

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

If I ask any questions that you don't have time for please don't feel burdened on my account.

No no, you are worth the time Delmar. Not everyone is, but you seem keen and to be putting in the effort.

[delmar]

So I looked at the chart and I read a little bit on food combining and I must be missing something. Flax and millet are both starchy grains correct? Why would they not combine well?

[Living Food]

Flax is a fat, not a starch.

[Traceyraw]

Talking about fat.. I was reading that sunflower seed milk has alot of fat. Does the fat content lesson if they are sprouted for 2-3 days????

[MysticTree]

I think so but not sure by how much and I expect the flavour would be quite a bit different.

[Living Food]

Talking about fat.. I was reading that sunflower seed milk has alot of fat. Does the fat content lesson if they are sprouted for 2-3 days????

The long-chain fats are predigested and broken down into their building blocks (fatty acids), which makes them far easier to digest and far healthier to consume. There ius also a dramatic increase in enzymes which will also help you digest the fat.

And yes, the total fat content does go down as well, as the seeds are using that stored energy to grow. Seeds store energy for their benefit, not ours :)

[delmar]

Flax is a fat, not a starch.
Most things are not exclusively one or the other. Flax seed, while it is higher in fat than it is in starch, has 29g of carbohydrates/ 100g

If I'm doing my math right that is 29% starch.

[Living Food]

Just like you said, no food is 100% one thing. Flax does have some starch, but it qualifies as a fat in terms of food combining because that is what it is highest in. Grains have some fat, but are qualified as starches. Nuts have some starch, but are qualified as fats. You get the idea.

[delmar]

Just like you said, no food is 100% one thing. Flax does have some starch, but it qualifies as a fat in terms of food combining because that is what it is highest in. Grains have some fat, but are qualified as starches. Nuts have some starch, but are qualified as fats. You get the idea.I think I'm beginning to see the basic concept but it is hard to imagine that mixing a food with 29% carbs and 42% fat with a food that has 49% carbs and 13% fat would give my digestive track too much grief. It seems to me that, in either case, my body has to be ready to digest fats and carbs.

[Living Food]

Now that I think about it, maybe chia falls under the "protein" category...I'm not really sure.


I think I'm beginning to see the basic concept but it is hard to imagine that mixing a food with 29% carbs and 42% fat with a food that has 49% carbs and 13% fat would give my digestive track too much grief. It seems to me that, in either case, my body has to be ready to digest fats and carbs.

That's actually a very good point; I'm actually pretty new to food combining myself - other then not eating fruit with any other foods, which I've been (not) doing for quite a while. In the beginning of my sproutarian journey I tended to mix starches and fats because the fats alone seemed too heavy, and the starches alone didn't keep me full for very long. I'm still here :)

Maybe someone else can chime in and answer your question? I'd be interested to hear the explanation too.

[MysticTree]

I like to think of it all as food and call it good.

[delmar]

I like to think of it all as food and call it good.While there may some merit to the plan, I have not been able to find any food that does not have some protein, some carbs and some fat. Therefore the idea that they can truly be digested separately does not appear to me to be something I am able to do.

[MysticTree]

While there may some merit to the plan, I have not been able to find any food that does not have some protein, some carbs and some fat. Therefore the idea that they can truly be digested separately does not appear to me to be something I am able to do.
exactly, that's why I think of it all as food and call it good!

[delmar]

yup, me too.

[MysticTree]

if a particular combo of foods doesn't work for ME then I can avoid that; I think we are all different and different reactions.

[delmar]

Yes, it is certainly true that not all digestive tracts are created equal.

[november]

Where I live, the cheapest bulk nuts and seeds are sesame, sunflower, and flax--all less than $3 a pound. So if you make any nut milks or dehydrated breads or cookies, they are a good base (well, not flaxseed milk--I'm pretty sure that would be gross). I find that using a lot of almonds, walnuts, and cashews, and brazil nuts in recipes gets pretty expensive pretty fast. Another good tip, if you also juice, is to add the pulp from carrot or apple juice into raw dough or batter--it adds fiber, and then you waste nothing from juicing. Flax-banana bread is an inexpensive yet delicious recipe--there are numerous iterations of it online, probably on these forums. If you don't have a dehydrator, simple green smoothies of banana and greens--swiss chard, kale, spinach--are also inexpensive yet very nutritious.

[walnutty]

(well, not flaxseed milk--I'm pretty sure that would be gross)

It might be gross, but what a GREAT idea!

Flaxseeds, water and high powered blender, strain and gulp = Lots of EFA's at one time and a cheaper way than purchasing the raw, organic flaxseed oils (which are so expensive). I think I have to try this! Thanks for the idea, november!

[november]

Haha let me know how it goes!

[janice_dale]

Smoothies are a brilliant and easy way to eat more vegetables, especially when you’re lacking in time.Bananas are a good energy food, being relatively low in fib and high in potassium. Oranges are rich in calcium, folate, potassium and vitamin C.

[SunshineMN]

I don't buy flax seed oil or ground flax seed because it goes rancid really fast. Buy your own flax seed and grind it yourself and throw it on salads or in any kind of dough you're making instead. Much healthier than a rancid oil.

[delmar]

I don't buy flax seed oil or ground flax seed because it goes rancid really fast. Buy your own flax seed and grind it yourself and throw it on salads or in any kind of dough you're making instead. Much healthier than a rancid oil.I just sprout it.

[Traceyraw]

It might be gross, but what a GREAT idea!

Flaxseeds, water and high powered blender, strain and gulp = Lots of EFA's at one time and a cheaper way than purchasing the raw, organic flaxseed oils (which are so expensive). I think I have to try this! Thanks for the idea, november!

Did you try this yet? I want to know how it taste?

[SunshineMN]

That does sound interesting. Maybe adding a little cacao powder and a date would help the flavor?

I do plan on growing it as a microgreen when we get to that stage. I need a couple shelving units for all the microgreens I want to grow!

[walnutty]

Did you try this yet? I want to know how it taste?


No, my Vitamix is down, again, and needs to be sent in to be fixed.

[SunshineMN]

Wow walnutty, you sure do have problems with your vitamix. :(

[Traceyraw]

No, my Vitamix is down, again, and needs to be sent in to be fixed.

Booh, That sucks. I am doing sunflower seed milk again. I just love it. I am out of flax but I will try a very small amount. I am curious about the taste.

[MysticTree]

I have only used nutmilks in Asian-style recipes. I never tried just drinking it. I don't like dairy milk so have never needed anything to replace it with as a drink.

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[Traceyraw]

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[MysticTree]

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