Which is better...?

[Hanalei]

Here's a question for you all. Which of these scenarios do you think would be healthier overall?

1.) Living in the rural midwest. Decent air quality, lots of trees and plants, not a lot of sunshine, stuck indoors most of the year because of weather, susceptible to blizzards/tornados/severe weather, very little access to organic and raw foods (what is accessible is very expensive.) No pollution issues, but plenty of genetically modified corn growing nearby! (arrggghhh!!!!)


2.) Living in southern California. Crappy air quality, lots of sunshine, susceptible to earthquakes and wildfires, lots of access to organic and raw foods (so I hear), lots of pollution issues.


So, is it healthier overall to have lots of access to raw and organic foods but have lots of air pollution, or is it healthier to have very little access to raw and organic foods but have no pollution?


(I would LOVE to move, but don't know where to!)

[jacksmomma27]

Hello!


I am very new to RAW foods, but also have recently taken quite a few environmental science courses through university....I live in northern Canada in a larger city, we still have pollution and near the same type of weather situations as you described in the midwest. Canadians need to watch out for vitamin D definicies (if you believe Health Canada that is lol). But even in my town of only 100,000 people we have access to ALL of the same organic/raw foods as they have in California. Its truly amazing!!! We even have a RAW restaurant!! Might I suggest you may not have sourced out all of your RAW options? I mean what we can't get in Canada (what we 'can't' I still have not yet to figurew out) you can certainly order online!!

Living near any major city in any state will exasperate the effects of pollution when the weather is warmer. So obviously living in Los Angeles or New York City in the summertime is going to have a major impact on air quality, but pollution is EVERYWHERE and it blows where the when does! Thats why the ozone layer has so many holes in random unpopulated areas such as the north pole region.

Your question has just way too many issues to decisively argue one way or the other. Its based on what is important to you. Living in sunny California you may have access to a larger, more vibrant RAW community, but you would base your entire life on access to organic vegetables? Organic or not, I buy whatever I can first from local farmers markets. From an environmental aspect you purchasing organic mangoes form Chile is far more detrimental than purchasing locally grown Kale.

ALL THIS BEING SAID THOUGH, you American's are allowed to use some pretty terrible chemicals and pesticides that are just completyely banned from Canada and the entire European Union....perhaps you most definetely have the right to be worried lol.....

[Hanalei]

Thanks for answering! I'm not trying to argue based on what's important to me personally (though I probably didn't word my question very well...). I'm trying to ask based solely on health and not on anything else. I live in Michigan, currently (not the half with decent access to organic things.) The only organic produce we have around here is kale, collards, chard, carrots, spinach, romaine, bananas, and the occasional cabbage. They have organic raspberries and blueberries at the store, but they are RIDICULOUSLY expensive. I kid you not, that is literally all of the organic stuff from the local stores, including the health food store - which is 20 miles away. We have checked every single store on this side of the state, pretty much, and have even driven to the Detroit area multiple times to go to Whole Foods and Trader Joes to stock up on some things that we can't get around here. But I'm talking like getting natural vitamin d from sunlight versus buying supplements.

I have tons of personal reasons to live in a place like Los Angeles, but this is more just from a curious health-realted standpoint. But yes, for me, at least, I would base where I move based on the access to organic/raw foods, among other things. :heart:

[Revvell]

I choose to live in SoCal.... enough said.

[jacksmomma27]

My response sounds snarky, I apologize for that immensely.


I just cannot fathom that there are area's in the states that don't offer the abundance of fresh organic fruits/veg that I can acquire in my small town in Canada. However, Im not that preoccupied with eating organic- I prefer local before anything and local-organic is the best!

But that being said, Do you know what the healthiest city is in all of the United States based on statistics of cancer, heart diease rates etc. (Basically all the things you try to avoid happening to you if you eat RAW lol) Minneapolis, Minnesota. Check out this link: http://www.forbes.com/pictures/eigl45hfh/1-minneapolis-minn/#gallerycontent
Forbes is by no means the gospel, but they usually pull their data and stats from very reputable studies and sources.

[Revvell]

I just cannot fathom that there are area's in the States that don't offer the abundance of fresh organic fruits/veg that I can acquire in my small town in Canada.

There are.... many. I found more in Aarhus, Denmark than I did in some parts of LA.

[JoyceHollis]

There are.... many. I found more in Aarhus, Denmark than I did in some parts of LA.

I've heard of these places...it's sad. Fortunately I live in Canada as well. And there's some pretty organically/locally minded folks 'round these parts :)

[Hanalei]

Our selection of organic produce here in Michigan is pathetic. It's better over near Detroit, but that's not exactly convenient for weekly grocery store trips...

I guess a simpler question would just be: Do you feel it would be healthier to eat lots of raw/organic foods and be exposed to lots of air pollution, or to eat conventionally grown foods and not be exposed to air pollution?

[Revvell]

You can not not be exposed to air pollution if you live in the States and, as I think i said, it's not as bad here as it once was yet, my suggestion? Go anywhere but here. We don't need anyone else adding to our "crappy air quality." Not to mention (which of course I will) ~ once you experience your first earthquake, you'll be hi-tailing it back to anywhere but here! Rock 'n' Roll!!! *weg*

[Hanalei]

Okay... I'm not trying to slam the air quality of California. Just my example. I'm just talking somewhere rural like Kansas or Missouri or Tennessee compared to a very urban area like LA, NYC, Miami, etc. And I never said I was moving anywhere, I'd just really like to. But this has nothing to do with my changing location. I just was thinking about it the other day and was curious what other people thought. (And I have experienced 2 different earthquakes - though small - and both of them were over before I even realized what it was. haha) I can't imagine what a larger earthquake must be like.

[Mary Kay]

Hanalai, I think you're not sourcing properly!...You mention Trader Joe's and Whole Foods, but you don't mention any Food Terminals. THAT'S the place to source organic produce! However, it's not LOCAL. But I am in a co-op and we buy cases of organic produce such as avocados wholesale from the food terminal and divide them up. You can start a co-op, take turns driving into Detroit --no doubt there's one there.....and there you go.

Mary Kay

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Here's a question for you all. Which of these scenarios do you think would be healthier overall?

1.) Living in the rural midwest. Decent air quality, lots of trees and plants, not a lot of sunshine, stuck indoors most of the year because of weather, susceptible to blizzards/tornados/severe weather, very little access to organic and raw foods (what is accessible is very expensive.) No pollution issues, but plenty of genetically modified corn growing nearby! (arrggghhh!!!!)


2.) Living in southern California. Crappy air quality, lots of sunshine, susceptible to earthquakes and wildfires, lots of access to organic and raw foods (so I hear), lots of pollution issues.


So, is it healthier overall to have lots of access to raw and organic foods but have lots of air pollution, or is it healthier to have very little access to raw and organic foods but have no pollution?


(I would LOVE to move, but don't know where to!)

Always go to where the sun shines and meditate as much as possible under the sun. That is the best food of all and the best way to keep earthquakes and crime from your area. Positive energy is the most important thing of all.

Also, try getting into weeds and sprouted seeds. You can order them online.


Here are some very very important links which talk about what l have just said, l strongly advise you listen to them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=C0OsEH1dm-c


A link which talks about how amazing the sun is:
http://suprememastertv.com/bbs/board.php?bo_table=featured&wr_id=839


The sun is the main thing.

[Mary Kay]

Oh Mr. Raw you are so right....I also believe in growing as much as you can and I do! I also eat wild plants just about every day this time of year....And you in fact have influenced me to grow more sprouts too......But you know, I still want celery and cucumbers when not in season locally, and avocados, which never grow here......etc.

Mary Kay.

[LuvTheSun]

Cali is not the only place that it is sunny. I live in AZ and we have no mother nature issues at all besides the dry heat and the occasional thunder storm. also there are tons of organic farms and local farmers markets all over the state. i do know the same goes for all surrounding states NV,CO,NM,TX ect. I have never had a issue finding local produce. as for the air i think every where is going to be some pollution. Maybe move to a place with lots of trees like CO. =)

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

.But you know, I still want celery and cucumbers when not in season locally, and avocados, which never grow here......etc.

Mary Kay.

Doesn't matter if the majority of things you do is good. lf you live on alot of sprouted foods, you can afford to let your hair down alittle bit. lf you are living on only fruit, vegies, dehydrated grains and unsprouted nuts/seeds...there is no margin to really let your hair down because you are skating a thin line that is slowly sinking.

Stick with it Mary Kay and you WILL feel the benefits. l had some AFA blue/green algae followed by some sprouted sesame seeds for lunch today and l was in such a positive great mood that l was bouncing off the walls and raising my fists yelling "WOOHOO"!!! Soon as l had my lunch, it was like...BAM, POW! l had arrived and spent the afternoon on cloud 10. Can't go wrong with the sprouts. They power ya, they fill ya, and they complete ya!

l pick up my chestnuts and hazel nuts for sprouting on the weekend from a farm. l'll get 5kg of each and only pay $50:00 total. So with the sesame, hazel nuts and chestnuts l will have plenty of hearty meals. l want to do an experiment this year and see if l can make my meals base around nut sprouts, seed sprouts and sprouted greens with the algaes and sea vegetables. l want to leave the sprouted grains and legumes alone because l feel the sprouted seeds and nuts are a more natural food, but naturally l will continue to sprout grains for cerial grass. My 6th sense is telling me that sprouted seeds for lunch and sprouted nuts for dinner is the way to go: high fatty acid food, high amino acid food and high predisted carb foods with minimal natural toxins is the ultimate way my 6th sense is telling me.

[MysticTree]

I would choose low pollution because the organic foods situation can be improved more easily than a pollution problem can.

[walnutty]

Can I choose a mixture of both places? :excited:

[MysticTree]

I'm sure you can. There must be lots of happy compromises.

[Living Food]

My 6th sense is telling me that sprouted seeds for lunch and sprouted nuts for dinner is the way to go: high fatty acid food, high amino acid food and high predisted carb foods with minimal natural toxins is the ultimate way my 6th sense is telling me.

You're probably right, although I'll still being doing legume and pseudograin sprouts for some time until I adjust to needing less food. I'm just curious, where are the "high predigested carb foods" coming from? Seeds and nuts have low levels of carbohydrates, as do greens, algae and seaweeds. You'd have to eat an awful lot of any of the above to get meaningful amounts of carbohydrates. I don't believe in carb loading, but I also think that some carbohydrates are necessary (although you might be reaching the level where you can turn those beliefs on their head, as with breatharians).

I'm going to check out those links you posted, they look good.

[LexieW]

As someone who grew up in the US midwest and relocated to Los Angeles... I think you're missing a major part of the discussion!

It is EXPENSIVE in California. Certain cities have higher raw and vegan populations, but as has already been discussed, city living comes with a lot of pollution and extremely high cost of living. Seriously. A 400sq studio will easily go for about $1000/month.

It does get cheaper out in the more rural areas of the state, but once you're out there, it can still be really challenging to find affordable raw options. A few friends of mine live near an avocado farm and are able to buy all the fresh produce they want, but it's not organic. Same thing with a strawberry farm.

I like the Arizona idea - I wonder what the cost of living is like in Albequecue.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

I'm just curious, where are the "high predigested carb foods" coming from? Seeds and nuts have low levels of carbohydrates, as do greens, algae and seaweeds.
Algae and seaweeds do have low levels of carbs, but wheatgrass/nuts/seeds do have good levels of carbs.


I don't believe in carb loading, but I also think that some carbohydrates are necessary (although you might be reaching the level where you can turn those beliefs on their head, as with breatharians).
l don't believe in counting anything anymore. The main thing is to eat fresh food (preferably greens) high in: electromagnetic vibrations, amino acids and sunlight. But even that is not the ultimate truth...that's just dumbed down man made knowledge, but the highest level of dumbed down man made knowledge...as close to the truth as you will get before becoming breatharian (sprouted green juice liquidarian).


I'm going to check out those links you posted, they look good.
They are great links...only the best stuff for you. As the `master' has said, not many people are ready for that type of stuff, but l know you are. Got some more great stuff to come also, later on.

The human race is so limited in their thinking because on average we only use 5% of our brain. When you meditate you use a lot more than 5%, and with an increased use of the brain comes wisdom and insight and being able to do things once considered impossible. We don't even believe that man has gone anywhere further than the moon lol....many don't even believe that aliens exist, or that we have life after death. We don't even know our proper history or where we really came from because misinformation agents have mislead us all. The E.T are laughing at our ignorance. lf we meditated, we would know lots of things and who we really are and what happens when we die, and we would eventually be able to know everything. We most likely go to the astral world for some time after we die, but if we don't meditate under a master [while on a physical planet] we eventually sink down to the lower physical worlds again and we become stuck on a merry-go-round unable to get liberation, so the cycle goes on and on and we get no-where. Only by meditating under a master can one finally keep rising up and avoid the cycle of rising and falling. The sole purpose of life is to meditate and avoid this up and down cycle between Earthly and Astral worlds by becoming liberated so we can permanently stay in the highest heavenly world; we all agree to practise spiritually while in the Astral world, but we become too attracted to physical pleasures and forget our main reason for coming back to a physical planet (to practise spiritually to elevate ourselves to a higher world). When we sink from the Astral world, we are very sorry souls indeed because we realise that we never practised mediation enough and now will have to pay a heavy price as a lower level being.

l might have another 40 years on Earth if l am lucky (probably less), so l would rather spend the next 30 - 40 years doing the work so l don't spend the next 700 - 1,000,000 years in the temporary Astral world feeling sorry l never went any higher. lsn't it worth it? Darn right it's worth it!!! Why not spend 40 years doing the work instead of coming back to a low level planet over and over again over billions of years...we all will do the work one day, so why put it off! Why not do it now! Most people don't understand how important meditation practise is, but some people do...that's why they do it whenever possible, there is no time to waste. Forget the material comforts and the t.v...this is far more important, + the higher worlds have much better things than we have on this planet...the job needs to get done so it stays done. No time to waste...we could die anytime.

Warning
Never meditate without the guidance of a master, it is very very dangerous because you are at the mercy of astral beings, and they will make mince meat of you every time. You might even die if you come into contact with the really low level astral beings. They'll give you powers and take you around in UFO's and all that cool stuff, but they'll never be able to give you the high level stuff. After a while of having fun and being deceived, you'll sink back down to a physical planet again while you'll realise they have deceived you, but it can be alot worse than that...they can torment you and take your soul and you die.

When you go under a masters guidance, you'll avoid the Astral world completely. When it's time for you to meet the women of the astral world during meditation (100's of times more beautiful than any women on Earth), Master Ching Hai pulls a curtain in front of our eyes so we can't see the beautiful women for our own good. lf we saw them we would be too blown away by their beauty and we would be destined only for an astral existance and never go any further. Ching Hai promises to bring us to the 5th level, that's why she pulls curtains across...to stop the astral visions. The same thing goes with having magical powers; sure it is easy to get magical powers and fly around and do all types of stuff, but that is only low level stuff that comes from ego (1st, 2nd level stuff)...many of Ching Hai's followers are way beyond that type of low level stuff and simply don't exert energy into doing such meaningless egotystical stuff. lf you see a master who starts sending fire out of his hands and flying into the air, walk the other way and find someone else because he will never liberate you because he is only a low level master.

[Living Food]

l might have another 40 years on Earth if l am lucky (probably less), so l would rather spend the next 30 - 40 years doing the work so l don't spend the next 700 - 1,000,000 years in the temporary Astral world feeling sorry l never went any higher.

As a sproutarian, a meditator, and one who is dedicated to the highest levels of health possible, you can easily remain alive until you reach full enlightenment. Physical immortality is possible, although I hate posting this because of all the people reading it who aren't ready to here it. Actual immortality on this planet would be a pain, but the point is that we can live for as long as necessary in order to become fully enlightened. I'll post more later on how to extend our lifespans, so many people are living such pathetically short lives (and they say that we are living longer then ever today...typical propoganda). Even cooked food eaters can easily live beyond 100 years of age if they do it right, there are no limits for sproutarians. The interesting thing is that in studies of "blue zones" around the world (areas where people frequently live to be 100 or longer), the most important factor isn't diet or exercise...it's mindset. The people with positive attitudes and positive outlooks about life, who are always enjoying themselves, tend to live very very long. Meditation is orders of magnitude more important then just a positive attitude, as it brings that about and so much more.

Our minds are powerful, we create our reality. If you believe you will die in 30-40 years, the best lifestyle in the world won't save you...if you believe you can live for however long it takes, you can. This is the big secret few people want you to know; we are programmed to accept death and aging, and seeing "seniors" that have a biological age far in excess of their chronological age just reinforces this belief. That is not the natural state of the human body. Like I said before, even cooked food eaters can live in excess of 100 years (in some societies almost all of them do), with the physical and mental capacity of men half their age. The average 60 year old man today has a biological age closer to 120, but even people who lived to be 120 were frequently healthier at that age then most 60 year olds are today.


lf you see a master who starts sending fire out of his hands and flying into the air, walk the other way and find someone else because he will never liberate you because he is only a low level master.

Generally true, but so few people have the discipline to attain these powers that it's just as likely that masters demonstrating them today are only doing so for the uplifting of all those who believe in a miracle-less world.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

although I hate posting this because of all the people reading it who aren't ready to here it.

You'll get to a point where other peoples negative opinions don't matter. Anyway, it is to be expected that most people won't believe a word of anything outside of a narrow set of beliefs. So what, that's their problem, not ours.

On my site l was originally going to be strictly scientific and just talk about sprouts so l retain full credibility, but now l mention breatharism and talk about aliens and spirituality. l refuse to give only a partial truth to satisfy the majority; i'm giving the whole story, and if most people don't like it or accept it, bully for them! lt is way ahead of it's time. The one thing l won't go into is the illuminati and all the corruption....l don't need the death threats and other headaches to disturb my meditation, and neither does my sproutarian friend.



As a sproutarian, a meditator, and one who is dedicated to the highest levels of health possible, you can easily remain alive until you reach full enlightenment. Physical immortality is possible, although I hate posting this because of all the people reading it who aren't ready to here it. Actual immortality on this planet would be a pain, but the point is that we can live for as long as necessary in order to become fully enlightened. I'll post more later on how to extend our lifespans, so many people are living such pathetically short lives (and they say that we are living longer then ever today...typical propoganda). Even cooked food eaters can easily live beyond 100 years of age if they do it right, there are no limits for sproutarians. The interesting thing is that in studies of "blue zones" around the world (areas where people frequently live to be 100 or longer), the most important factor isn't diet or exercise...it's mindset. The people with positive attitudes and positive outlooks about life, who are always enjoying themselves, tend to live very very long. Meditation is orders of magnitude more important then just a positive attitude, as it brings that about and so much more.

Our minds are powerful, we create our reality. If you believe you will die in 30-40 years, the best lifestyle in the world won't save you...if you believe you can live for however long it takes, you can. This is the big secret few people want you to know; we are programmed to accept death and aging, and seeing "seniors" that have a biological age far in excess of their chronological age just reinforces this belief. That is not the natural state of the human body. Like I said before, even cooked food eaters can live in excess of 100 years (in some societies almost all of them do), with the physical and mental capacity of men half their age. The average 60 year old man today has a biological age closer to 120, but even people who lived to be 120 were frequently healthier at that age then most 60 year olds are today.



Generally true, but so few people have the discipline to attain these powers that it's just as likely that masters demonstrating them today are only doing so for the uplifting of all those who believe in a miracle-less world.

From what l can gather from what Master Ching Hai has said, it is the amount of good things you have done in your previous life which determines the amount of blessings and long life you have in this life. There might be more to the story, but it is definitely part of it.

What you say does make sense and l would like to hear more on this. But l need to also be careful, because when humans conclude things they are often wrong because they mainly use 5% of their brain and don't understand the entire picture. We must realise that the soul plays an important part. BUT...l keep an open mind as always, because the human body cells do replace themselves.


the most important factor isn't diet or exercise...it's mindset. The people with positive attitudes and positive outlooks about life, who are always enjoying themselves, tend to live very very long.
Yes!!!




Our minds are powerful, we create our reality.

Yes!!!


If you believe you will die in 30-40 years, the best lifestyle in the world won't save you...

l don't really believe that. l don't really know or think about it or even care. As long as l meditate and teach people good things while l am here and help in good ways.

When l reach 5th level l would want to die straight away. Even reaching 4th level will be enough because Ching Hai will put me up a level when l die anyway. So when l reach the 4th level (be it in 10 years or tomorrow), l would want to die straight away and will ask to be taken. The less time l spend on a physical planet, the better!

[Living Food]

From what l can gather from what Master Ching Hai has said, it is the amount of good things you have done in your previous life which determines the amount of blessings and long life you have in this life.

There are three kinds of karma; that which resulted in you being in the current circumstances that you're in, those that you will play out in a future life (unless you attain enlightenment), and those that you make during this life. Most of us go through our lives completely blind to this fact and so the length of their lives IS determined by their past actions. However, we all have free will at all times. It is only because we don't use it that we are slaves to our past karma. Once you have broken the cycle of unknowing and understand the truth about the world, then you are free to do whatever you want with your life; for whatever reason, you discovered the sproutarian lifestyle in this lifetime...maybe that is because of past karma, maybe because of some other reason. Regardless, it has dramatically increased your lifespan compared to SAD. When you are presented with empowering information, act on it! You make your own karma.

I think that the good things you have done in previous lives affects the information that you "learn" in this life - many people, for example, will continue to live the SAD lifestyle for their entire life, no matter what we do. However, we somehow found out about the best diet in the world; that definitely affects our lifespans, don't you think? Maybe it is because of things you have done in the past that you are now being presented with the opportunity to learn how to remain alive for however long it takes to achieve enlightenment?


There might be more to the story, but it is definitely part of it.

As I said above, our karma is not the single factor that determines what happens in our lives. We have the free will to do whatever we want, including choosing to seek out and act on the information about whatever you deem important. Physical death is really a needless interruption of our spiritual advancement, although very few people have the dedication to do what is necessary to stay alive however long it takes.


As long as l meditate and teach people good things while l am here and help in good ways.

I wish everyone thought like that :(


When l reach 5th level l would want to die straight away. Even reaching 4th level will be enough because Ching Hai will put me up a level when l die anyway. So when l reach the 4th level (be it in 10 years or tomorrow), l would want to die straight away and will ask to be taken. The less time l spend on a physical planet, the better!

I'm glad that you ordered the book "Autobiography of a Yogi", I think it will help you understand more about enlightenment. When you are fully enlightened you don't need to wait and die, you can just choose to leave your body...on the other hand, you might find that you would rather remain behind and help uplift other people. Imagine what this world would be like if all enlightened masters elected to leave immediately after enlightenment - no Ching Hai, no Jesus, no Buddha, etc. This is just my understanding, though, and by no means the absolute truth.


The one thing l won't go into is the illuminati and all the corruption....l don't need the death threats and other headaches to disturb my meditation, and neither does my sproutarian friend.


Exposing them is instrumental indeposing them; I sent you a little information about how to neutralize their interference in an email a while ago, and will send you a lot more if you're interested. I've had a bit of experience with this myself, let's just say *smile*

I have the feeling that they won't take kindly to you talking about sproutarianism either (much too empowering for the masses), so you should go all the way and expose them as well. Doing things in half measures is never a good idea.


What you say does make sense and l would like to hear more on this. But l need to also be careful, because when humans conclude things they are often wrong because they mainly use 5% of their brain and don't understand the entire picture. We must realise that the soul plays an important part. BUT...l keep an open mind as always, because the human body cells do replace themselves.

Scientists don't seem to understand that intellect alone can never understand the entire universe, only through enlightenment is that possible. We will never know all there is to know through science or any other method then direct union with God. We can, however, figure out things that, while not the complete truth, are close enough that we can use that knowledge to better our lives. I was originally planning on posting a lot about the causes of aging and how to avoid them, but will have to save that for another time; maybe we should start a new thread for this, as we are currently de-railing this one completely? :D

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

I think that the good things you have done in previous lives affects the information that you "learn" in this life - many people, for example, will continue to live the SAD lifestyle for their entire life, no matter what we do. However, we somehow found out about the best diet in the world; that definitely affects our lifespans, don't you think? Maybe it is because of things you have done in the past that you are now being presented with the opportunity to learn how to remain alive for however long it takes to achieve enlightenment?
l completely agree. l need to live as long as possible to make sure l reach 100% enlightenment in this lifetime. l have done good things in a previous life to be able to discover the sproutarian diet.





I'm glad that you ordered the book "Autobiography of a Yogi",
Should be here soon.


Imagine what this world would be like if all enlightened masters elected to leave immediately after enlightenment - no Ching Hai, no Jesus, no Buddha, etc.
Some enlightened masters have no choice but to reluctantly come to Earth because they are asked to by the high powers to do their duty to serve. Various masters live in isolation and stay in `samadhi' and want to stay that way until they die, but one day God tells them to stop meditating and live in the real world and teach, that happen to Ching hai. She didn't want to leave the isolation, but she had her orders from the heavens.




Exposing them is instrumental indeposing them; I sent you a little information about how to neutralize their interference in an email a while ago, and will send you a lot more if you're interested. I've had a bit of experience with this myself, let's just say *smile*
l haven't been able to access my email for weeks because l have forgotten my email and my password. Can you message me my email in a P.M please? l will have to eventually give you my main email.


I have the feeling that they won't take kindly to you talking about sproutarianism either (much too empowering for the masses),
They won't like it, but l am only rocking the boat alittle bit so they will let it go. lf l rock the boat too much they will cause trouble.




I was originally planning on posting a lot about the causes of aging and how to avoid them, but will have to save that for another time; maybe we should start a new thread for this, as we are currently de-railing this one completely? :D

l would like to read the post on aging, but yes, we are derailing this thread and the mods will come in again and delete stuff, so we better start a new thread. .


Just something really quick on how hard it is to get a human body to live in and how hard it is to live to 100 years of age. Listen to this link from 14:41 - 15:54. But as you say, it is effected by past and present karma also.
http://suprememastertv.com/blessings/

There are so many trees, plants and animals, but very few humans in comparison. But still...we have lots of work to go.

[Living Food]

l haven't been able to access my email for weeks because l have forgotten my email and my password. Can you message me my email in a P.M please?

Sorry about that, I thought that I sent it to you a while ago but I really sent it to myself...I just sent it to you now.


There are so many trees, plants and animals, but very few humans in comparison. But still...we have lots of work to go.

Random fact: meditating under and near old trees increases the power of the meditation. Trees are sentient and loving beings, and I have heard that trees are the only living beings (on Earth anyway) that always remain connected to the natural order and energies. http://whale.to/a/mcpherson.html

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Random fact: meditating under and near old trees increases the power of the meditation. Trees are sentient and loving beings, and I have heard that trees are the only living beings (on Earth anyway) that always remain connected to the natural order and energies. http://whale.to/a/mcpherson.html

Yes to all of that. + if you ask them for blessings it increases the meditation power. Trees do have consciousness (small amount). Some high level beings even choose to come back on Earth for a short stay as weeds or plants just so they can have memories of the experience.

Humans have forgotten their inner wisdom so most aren't aware of all of this ancient awareness. We reduce our vibrations by killing and eating living beings, and decrease our blessings by killing everything in the environment. No wonder higher level beings want nothing to do with the human race, we are low level maniacs who are not worth talking to.

The aliens won't open the doors to other planets until we become more civilised...they say we are savage animals that stink and that we are really dumb and niave. lt's true too...we only use a small part of our brain like many of the basic animals on the planet. Cows are closer to being intelligent Gods and we are closer to being dogs and lions than intelligent beings. The cows are far superior to most human beings because they are 80% spiritual quality (4th level going onto 5th level), but humans are only a high first level (about 15% spiritual quality), lions are 5% spiritual quality. We think we are the most intelligent and wise animal on earth, but we are one of the dumbest and lowest lol, that's why we mess up everything we do, and that's why the Earth is in such a mess. Cows are actually living Saints (demi-Gods). They live the universal laws and are vegan and don't need to be doing silly man made things like inventing things and working jobs...they just contemplate the universe and have a simple life. They are there to give us blessings and to learn from...`the power is within and live a simple life and be vegan, + don't judge a book by it's cover', that is the lesson to be learned from these cows, that's what l reckon. The cows are more highly evolved than most aliens also because the aliens still have this silly attraction to toys and technology and still want to invent stuff because they aren't 5th level yet. When aliens become properly evolved they go to the heavens also; technology and evolvement are not the same thing. Aliens can build big domes around an entire solar system to harness a suns rays, but all that means is that they are still primative because they aren't accessing their internal powers. Some aliens live on desolate planets with no toys and do nothing all day exept meditate, those are some of the most evolved planets, but other planets have been occupied a very very long time and have all the toys and they are very evolved planets also. Some planets are far bigger than our entire solar system (and yes, our solar system is twice as big as originally thought). lf you really want your mind blown; one space traveller even said that some beings on huge planets are bigger than the size of Mount Everest lol...dunno if it's true about some beings being the size of mountains, but it's a pretty crazy thought. But most aliens look just like us....billions and billions and billions of them.

[walnutty]

Oh my!!!

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Sorry, it's easy to get carried away. *sheepish grin* No more truth (people don't want to know about the truth), l better get back to talking about the illusion, in other words, raw food and the pretend world we live in.

[Living Food]

Oh my!!!

Don't worry about it :)


lf you really want your mind blown; one space traveller even said that some beings on huge planets are bigger than the size of Mount Everest lol...dunno if it's true about some beings being the size of mountains, but it's a pretty crazy thought. But most aliens look just like us....billions and billions and billions of them.

2 things to say about that: there are living beings on the Earth that are the size of mountains ( I hearsome are the size of continents), they are just not dense physical beings like we are. There are elementals that are miles long :eek: Air elementals that live on Jupiter and Saturn can be hundreds of miles across, and as they evolve they eventually become comets and then planets. I hear the Earth is eventually going to evolve into a star :eek: I can't prove any of this, of course :)

The other thing is that there are different dimensions, each hundreds of times larger then the last. The physical world is minuscule compared to the astral (also referred to as the etheric/aetheric plane and the 4th dimension), which is hundreds of times smaller then the 5th dimesnion, etc. I believe that the universe essentially goes on infinitely, with an infinite number of dimensions and parallel worlds. Eventually, though, we wake up to the fact that nothing the universe has to offer will match enlightenment, which is when we finally wake up and break the reincarnational cycle.

Anyway, the point is that 4th dimensional worlds are far far larger then physical (or third dimensional) worlds, and so are the beings that live on them.


Sorry, it's easy to get carried away. *sheepish grin* No more truth (people don't want to know about the truth), l better get back to talking about the illusion, in other words, raw food and the pretend world we live in.

Yeah, I was going to tell you that you were going a little too far out there, but I was having too much fun talking about this stuff. *grin* I'd best stop now too.

[Living Food]

I'll probably set up a thread on aging tomorrow, I'm off to meditate soon and don't feel like spending a lot of time posting it. I sometimes dislike posting about complex subjects because I feel obligated to fully cover the subject, though of course I couldn't do that without writing a book on it. The end result is that I need to wait until I have lots of free time.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Don't worry about it :)



2 things to say about that: there are living beings on the Earth that are the size of mountains ( I hearsome are the size of continents), they are just not dense physical beings like we are. There are elementals that are miles long :eek: Air elementals that live on Jupiter and Saturn can be hundreds of miles across, and as they evolve they eventually become comets and then planets.

lnteresting stuff.


I hear the Earth is eventually going to evolve into a star
Yes, probably. The Earth is a being, just like the sun and stars and other planets. But the sun is different to everything else, it is 5th level and never changes...it never evolves or devolves, it started out as 5th level and will always be 5th level. That was the job that particular being took on, to be `the sun'. Planets are different.


The other thing is that there are different dimensions, each hundreds of times larger then the last.
Interesting.


The physical world is minuscule compared to the astral (also referred to as the etheric/aetheric plane and the 4th dimension), which is hundreds of times smaller then the 5th dimesnion, etc.
Yes. lt takes longer and longer for beings to reach each higher level through meditation. Eg, getting to third level may take a person 5 years of hard work, getting to level four may take 15 years, and getting to level five may take 30 years.


I believe that the universe essentially goes on infinitely, with an infinite number of dimensions and parallel worlds.
Yes!


Yeah, I was going to tell you that you were going a little too far out there, but I was having too much fun talking about this stuff. *grin* I'd best stop now too.
Agreed. Best to stop. Don't want the mods getting pissed at us again.

[MysticTree]

Sorry, it's easy to get carried away. *sheepish grin* No more truth (people don't want to know about the truth), l better get back to talking about the illusion, in other words, raw food and the pretend world we live in.
indeed because who knows if you and I are really living in alternative universes and this forum is a worm hole where various, conflicting truths converge.