Acne, Vitamin D, and what do you supplement with?

[tolondontoparis]

I became raw mainly to heal my body and rid myself of the acne I have been battling! It's been coming to my attention more and more that the lack of vitamin d may be a key role in getting clear, along with finding a raw salad dressing I like...

Vitamin D curing acne: http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Acne/I-cured-my-ACNE-Just-wanted-to-share-with-everyone/show/1175304

[Living Food]

The best way to get vit. D is to soak in the sun for as long as possible daily (naked sunbathing if possible); the benefits extend far beyond just vit. D. Second best is to drink fresh sunflower green juice daily (sprout unhulled sunflower seeds on soil until they're 2-4 inches tall, then juice them). I do both.

[tolondontoparis]

The best way to get vit. D is to soak in the sun for as long as possible daily (naked sunbathing if possible); the benefits extend far beyond just vit. D. Second best is to drink fresh sunflower green juice daily (sprout unhulled sunflower seeds on soil until they're 2-4 inches tall, then juice them). I do both.

I live in Boston and we can't even produce Vitamin D for a few months during the winter months :( I notice that my skin is so much better in the summer and so is my circulation!

I dunno where to obtain raw sunflower goodness. Sigh, my dad thinks i'm not because I just want clear skin and do crazy things, and doesn't understand the emotional pain I have been struggling with for years :( I might have to take a secret trip to whole foods.

[Arky]

You haven't even mentioned cleansing your bowel or cleansing your liver & gallbladder. Unless you cleanse all these organs, no amount of nutrition will solve your acne issue.Plenty of relevant posts on the topic of cleansing these organs and improving the skin, if you use the forum search function.I'm not saying the above lightly - you need to cleanse and nurture the above organs if you want lasting success in virtually any natural healing program, acne being no exception. Good luck.

[tolondontoparis]

You haven't even mentioned cleansing your bowel or cleansing your liver & gallbladder. Unless you cleanse all these organs, no amount of nutrition will solve your acne issue.Plenty of relevant posts on the topic of cleansing these organs and improving the skin, if you use the forum search function.I'm not saying the above lightly - you need to cleanse and nurture the above organs if you want lasting success in virtually any natural healing program, acne being no exception. Good luck.

I have actually been researching constipation all day! I never ever want to do an olive oil liver flush again in my life! I was puking for days. I wish there was a calmer less aggressive approach to cleansing. I may have to invest in an enema, but my father will never let me.

[Arky]

I have actually been researching constipation all day! I never ever want to do an olive oil liver flush again in my life! I was puking for days. I wish there was a calmer less aggressive approach to cleansing. I may have to invest in an enema, but my father will never let me. http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?48992-Question-about-wrinkles&p=663109#post663109

[qwerty988]

I'm confused. Why wouldn't a raw diet on its own effectively cleanse all the organs in the body and clear the skin?

[Arky]

I'm confused. Why wouldn't a raw diet on its own effectively cleanse all the organs in the body and clear the skin?I didn't mean to imply that diet won't help- of course it will, but it's unlikely to be sufficient to cleanse the gallbladder (and thus the liver) if its packed full of stones. Yes, I know about malic & citric acids in fruits, but they were never a complete solution for me no matter how persistent I was with them (months of daily use).Diet is an important component but, like it or not, it's still only one component. A lifetime of accumulated internal toxins and debris often tends to require a multi-pronged approach.

[qwerty988]

I didn't mean to imply that diet won't help- of course it will, but it's unlikely to be sufficient to cleanse the gallbladder (and thus the liver) if its packed full of stones. Yes, I know about malic & citric acids in fruits, but they were never a complete solution for me no matter how persistent I was with them (months of daily use).Diet is an important component but, like it or not, it's still only one component. A lifetime of accumulated internal toxins and debris often tends to require a multi-pronged approach.

Okay, but what if your gallbladder isn't packed with stones? Or is that just the natural state for anyone who's reached adulthood in our culture?

I'm not being facetious, btw -- I really am curious and new to this lifestyle!

[Arky]

Okay, but what if your gallbladder isn't packed with stones? Or is that just the natural state for anyone who's reached adulthood in our culture?I take your point. Each to their own.

[qwerty988]

I take your point. Each to their own.

I meant no offense! I really was just curious because tolondontoparis is so young, so maybe her gallbladder isn't in such bad shape to require a cleanse.... UNLESS you're saying anyone who's reached adulthood in our culture would probably have acquired so many gallstones...... which I could believe as well -- I honestly don't know, being so new to raw!

[aviatrix79]

Not everyone gets gallstones. Not one person in my family has ever had gallstones and I'm the only raw eater in my family. Not every non raw eater gets acne either and some people on raw get acne. It's not always diet related. Hormones, stress, irritants, pollution and other environmental factors can play havoc with the skin.

Tolondontoparis, you can get vitamin d from raw mushrooms or supplement with D3 if you're lacking sunshine. Get a hold of a liquid D3 supplements if you can. If you're constipated, go easy on the fiber. If you have too much fiber it can cause constipation as well. If you get too much, you have to drink an insane amount of water to move things through and that extra "bulk" won't necessarily help you if you're already backed up and could make the problem worse and damage mucus membranes and nerve endings. Ease up on sugars (even natural), avoid dried fruits like dates and figs and sweet fruits like grapes and melons. Make sure you're getting enough EFAs, which are important for good digestion and bowel function. For your acne, try not washing your face with too many products, soaps and chemicals as they strip your skin of natural oils which triggers your sebaceous glands to overproduce more oil... that's what's happening to your skin. No matter how much you cleanse to get rid of the oil, your body is producing more and more of it. You have to reverse this cycle. You can get some Silica tissue salts and zinc supplements... they'll help your acne (and your hair if you have a problem there too). You can also use diluted ACV to dab on your skin. That will cleanse your skin while maintaining normal PH levels and eliminate any infection. Also, try not touching your skin too much and don't stress too much over it as that will only worsen your conditions. Also use cotton pillow cases and change them regularly till you have the situation under control. Cheers and good luck :)

[tolondontoparis]

Not everyone gets gallstones. Not one person in my family has ever had gallstones and I'm the only raw eater in my family. Not every non raw eater gets acne either and some people on raw get acne. It's not always diet related. Hormones, stress, irritants, pollution and other environmental factors can play havoc with the skin.

Tolondontoparis, you can get vitamin d from raw mushrooms or supplement with D3 if you're lacking sunshine. Get a hold of a liquid D3 supplements if you can. If you're constipated, go easy on the fiber. If you have too much fiber it can cause constipation as well. If you get too much, you have to drink an insane amount of water to move things through and that extra "bulk" won't necessarily help you if you're already backed up and could make the problem worse and damage mucus membranes and nerve endings. Ease up on sugars (even natural), avoid dried fruits like dates and figs and sweet fruits like grapes and melons. Make sure you're getting enough EFAs, which are important for good digestion and bowel function. For your acne, try not washing your face with too many products, soaps and chemicals as they strip your skin of natural oils which triggers your sebaceous glands to overproduce more oil... that's what's happening to your skin. No matter how much you cleanse to get rid of the oil, your body is producing more and more of it. You have to reverse this cycle. You can get some Silica tissue salts and zinc supplements... they'll help your acne (and your hair if you have a problem there too). You can also use diluted ACV to dab on your skin. That will cleanse your skin while maintaining normal PH levels and eliminate any infection. Also, try not touching your skin too much and don't stress too much over it as that will only worsen your conditions. Also use cotton pillow cases and change them regularly till you have the situation under control. Cheers and good luck :)

WOW! You're amazing! From a seed to another seed, thank you so much! I don't wash my face or body with anything but water, and natural salt scrubs when I do, and I don't think a liver cleanse is necessary at all if raw! I was reading the forum where someone (Lan) nearly died from a liver flush!

Cheers to raw!

[tolondontoparis]

I meant no offense! I really was just curious because tolondontoparis is so young, so maybe her gallbladder isn't in such bad shape to require a cleanse.... UNLESS you're saying anyone who's reached adulthood in our culture would probably have acquired so many gallstones...... which I could believe as well -- I honestly don't know, being so new to raw!

I wonder too :)!

[tolondontoparis]

Oh, and if I might have candida, would mushrooms still be alright?

[Arky]

My point is that almost all of us live in an environment that, cumulatively, over a lifetime, challenges the liver. Whilst not everyone necessarily has gallstones, it is logical to consume stonebreaking herbs for a while, as a preliminary step towards cleansing the liver.A person with less than optimum bile quality (and/or flow) is likely going to:# have less than optimum emulsification of ingested fats# experience a greater degree of recirculation of toxins (that would otherwise be freely excreted via the bile, out through the bowel), and likely experience a proportion of toxic burden being channelled out through the skin, since the liver-gallbladder, bowel and the skin are the primary routes of excretion of the body.These (and nutritional status) aren't the only possible contributors to acne but they're relevant considerations for anyone seeking to heal their condition through natural means (personally, I'd also consider the use of blood-cleansing herbs such as red clover, yellow dock etc., after the above organs have been cleansed, since improved blood flow to the skin will support transfer of waste & nutrients).Nutritionally, sulphur, silicon, antioxidants (E, carotenes, anthocyanidins etc.) are all relevant. Dark leafy greens, radishes, asparagus, etc. Too many to list. Lots of existing threads here on RFT if you search.David Wolfe's book 'Eating for Beauty' offers many suggestions, too.

[tolondontoparis]

Do you have any at home cleansing methods one could do? I really don't want to have to do the olive oil flush, and am tight for money! But I know my blood flow is slow, I am cold all the time!

[aviatrix79]

You're welcome :) Yeah I personally wouldn't recommend the liver flush. As for candida, mushrooms are fine, in fact, it will help eliminate candida as they're both different types of fungi. It's the same as good bacteria and bad bacteria. Having more good bacteria competes and helps keep bad bacteria under control. Candida is a natural part of us but when it gets out of control, that's when it becomes a problem. If you do have candida, that could also be a contributing factor to your acne. Candida, like Helicobactus Pilori, burrows through the intestinal walls and causes leaky gut. Then all sorts of crap gets into the bloodstream and the body responds trying to eliminate the toxins, including through the skin. You also get inflammatory disorders throughout your body. If you do have candida, that's another reason to reduce sugars and also have coconut oil and raw garlic. Start off with small amounts (because the die off effect can be quite harsh) and slowly increase the amount to say 2 tablespoons of coconut oil a day and to whatever garlic you can cope with (or others cope with lol). If you do have candida, take l-glutamine to help heal the intestinal lining. It's quite expensive on it's own but you may be able to find a multivitamin that includes l-glutamine in it. Cabbage juice is a good source of it too.

[Arky]

Do you have any at home cleansing methods one could do? I really don't want to have to do the olive oil flush, and am tight for money! But I know my blood flow is slow, I am cold all the time!plenty of info in the link in post #6, above. Regarding candida, people spend far too much time chasing after a magic bullet substance (eg undecylenoic acid, caprylic acid etc.) to 'kill' candida, never stopping to consider what has led to the present state in the body. Candida is normally kept at negligible levels by a healthily-functioning immune system. That should be a huge clue. Of course, excessive sugar consumption can impede immune function, but there's generally much more at play in chronic and/or systemic infections or overgrowth. Heavy metals are one common culprit capable of inducing immune dysfunction, for example, as discussed in the following thread :


http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?63346-Candida-is-making-my-life-miserable

[aviatrix79]

My point is that almost all of us live in an environment that, cumulatively, over a lifetime, challenges the liver. Whilst not everyone necessarily has gallstones, it is logical to consume stonebreaking herbs for a while, as a preliminary step towards cleansing the liver.

Not necessarily. Fat is the main factor that triggers the gallbladder to release bile. If bile isn't released, then bile salts remain in the gallbladder which form gallstones. The average "SAD" diet doesn't lack fat. Diet's low in fat and overly high in fiber are more likely to cause gallstones than the reverse. As for the liver, a high raw diet is sufficient enough for a healthy liver over time. If a person switches from a "SAD" diet to 100% raw diet overnight, that will put their liver into overdrive eliminating toxins. This should be done slowly to avoid taxing the liver, not the other way around. All these liver flushing fads are nothing more than brainwashing gimmicks in an attempt to grab money from some poor sod who believes our body doesn't have ability to heal itself, given the right conditions. These liver flushes can even be harmful to certain people with certain conditions. I would never recommend any sort of liver flush to anyone. If someone has gallstones, there are herbs and foods that break them down slowly, without risking their health. Recommending these harsh methods of getting rid of gallstones to people who don't even have gallstones is rather silly and potentially harmful.

[Arky]

Quite clearly, you didn't even read my post properly, or the material in the thread I linked to. Stone-breaking herbs are NOT the same thing as liver flushing.

[aviatrix79]

Quite clearly, you didn't even read my post properly, or the material in the thread I linked to. Stone-breaking herbs are NOT the same thing as liver flushing.

I read and understood your post. You suggested stone-breaking herbs to be used as a stepping stone towards a liver flush. But why? What makes you believe everyone needs a liver flush? Clearly, you didn't read my post. I was responding to you claiming that "almost ALL of us live in an environment that, cumulatively, over a lifetime, challenges the liver." Even if that were true, that is not true in a forum of people consuming 100% or close to 100% raw food. A liver flush is not needed for everyone and can be harmful to some. Your initial post said this:


You haven't even mentioned cleansing your bowel or cleansing your liver & gallbladder. Unless you cleanse all these organs, no amount of nutrition will solve your acne issue.

What makes you think that a raw diet and good nutrition doesn't in itself 'fix' the bowel, liver and gallbladder. The word "cleansing" is a silly word to use when talking of the bowel, liver and gallbladder because their functions is dealing with... crap lol. They will never be clean and should never be clean. And while I'm quoting you, you also wrote this:


Candida is normally kept at negligible levels by a healthily-functioning immune system.

Not really as the greatest symptoms of having Candida (once in the blood stream) are caused from the healthy-functioning immune system and one gets auto-immune diseases as a result. One of the major causes of Candida is sugar AND too much fiber. When fiber ferments, some of the byproducts are ethanol and lactic acid and this causes constipation and destroys good bacteria, which in turn destroys mucus membranes, which in turn strains and damages your digestive system as a whole, including your liver. Digestion is a very complicated system and it won't be magically fixed with a 'liver cleanse'. It will be fixed with a balanced, nutritional diet.

[tolondontoparis]

You're welcome :) Yeah I personally wouldn't recommend the liver flush. As for candida, mushrooms are fine, in fact, it will help eliminate candida as they're both different types of fungi. It's the same as good bacteria and bad bacteria. Having more good bacteria competes and helps keep bad bacteria under control. Candida is a natural part of us but when it gets out of control, that's when it becomes a problem. If you do have candida, that could also be a contributing factor to your acne. Candida, like Helicobactus Pilori, burrows through the intestinal walls and causes leaky gut. Then all sorts of crap gets into the bloodstream and the body responds trying to eliminate the toxins, including through the skin. You also get inflammatory disorders throughout your body. If you do have candida, that's another reason to reduce sugars and also have coconut oil and raw garlic. Start off with small amounts (because the die off effect can be quite harsh) and slowly increase the amount to say 2 tablespoons of coconut oil a day and to whatever garlic you can cope with (or others cope with lol). If you do have candida, take l-glutamine to help heal the intestinal lining. It's quite expensive on it's own but you may be able to find a multivitamin that includes l-glutamine in it. Cabbage juice is a good source of it too.

I love how much you know! You're a comforting voice! Cabbage juice for the win! And yay for mushrooms! I am sitting outside right now with my computer and AP Psych book getting my V-D! YAY!!!!!!! I shall friend you!

I drink a lot of Kombucha too! I need to balance it with water intake though!

[aviatrix79]

Glad to share the knowlege, it's why I pop in :)

Also you can absorb vitamin D through the eyes.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james4.htm

If you can, get under a tree and stare at the sun, (filtered through the leaves) for five minutes. You'll absorb more that way than through the skin.

[tolondontoparis]

Go Raw! Go Raw! Go RAW! Wooottttttttt! A goddess of knowledge!

[tolondontoparis]

Glad to share the knowlege, it's why I pop in :)

Also you can absorb vitamin D through the eyes.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james4.htm

If you can, get under a tree and stare at the sun, (filtered through the leaves) for five minutes. You'll absorb more that way than through the skin.

Oh my goshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Going outside now!

With My Cucumber apple juice, mmmmm!

[aviatrix79]

Oh my goshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Going outside now!

With My Cucumber apple juice, mmmmm!

lol have fun! I will leave you with one last Vit D tip before I turn in for the night (I'm in Australia)... Before you eat your mushrooms, pop them upside down in the sun for five mintues and then eat them raw. They also absorb Vitamind D so you'll get a lot more Vit D2 by sunbaking them.

Nighty night :)

[Arky]

You clearly have a chip on your shoulder, aviatrix, but why you feel compelled to be obnoxious towards me by willfully misinterpreting my words and criticising the results of those misinterpretations is beyond me.'Ctrl-f' to search this thread for the word 'flush'. Tell me where I promoted liver 'flushing'. To answer your question about 'what makes me think raw diet and good nutrition itself don't fix the bowel, liver & gallbladder', the answer is this:*Personal experience *The fact that herbalism exists should indicate that food and nutrition isn't always sufficient to rectify all health conditions. You've also willfully misinterpreted my remarks about candida, by switching to talk about symptoms, which is not what I had been talking about. If you suppress or derange immune function (as in the case of heavy metals such as mercury) then a wide variety of opportunistic entities can potentially flourish. What may happen someway down the line does not negate what preceded it. I have no desire to argue with anyone here. Therefore, please leave me out of your axe-grinding. Thankyou

[aviatrix79]

You clearly have a chip on your shoulder, aviatrix, but why you feel compelled to be obnoxious towards me by willfully misinterpreting my words and criticising the results of those misinterpretations is beyond me.'Ctrl-f' to search this thread for the word 'flush'. Tell me where I promoted liver 'flushing'. To answer your question about 'what makes me think raw diet and good nutrition itself don't fix the bowel, liver & gallbladder', the answer is this:*Personal experience *The fact that herbalism exists should indicate that food and nutrition isn't always sufficient to rectify all health conditions. You've also willfully misinterpreted my remarks about candida, by switching to talk about symptoms, which is not what I had been talking about. If you suppress or derange immune function (as in the case of heavy metals such as mercury) then a wide variety of opportunistic entities can potentially flourish. What may happen someway down the line does not negate what preceded it. I have no desire to argue with anyone here. Therefore, please leave me out of your axe-grinding. Thankyou

Lol I was about to hit the sack and this popped up on email. I don’t have a chip on my shoulder. Seems like you just don’t like anyone disagreeing with you. I’m not misinterpreting your words. “Liver flush”, “liver cleanse”, come on, it’s all the same thing isn’t it? I already wrote in my previous post (which you responded to) that I don’t like using the word “cleanse” when talking of the bowels, liver or gallbladder. Did you conveniently skip that bit before getting your back up?

As for your personal experience, I am also using personal experience as well as many many years on raw... well before this website or even the book was written. I’m also well read on nutrition and biology and they’ve been an interest to me since childhood. Aside from being well read, I've also gained a lot of knowledge from Naturopaths.


The fact that herbalism exists should indicate that food and nutrition isn't always sufficient to rectify all health conditions.

What lol? You are kidding, right? The fact that herbalism exists should indicate that food and nutrition IS sufficient to rectify health conditions because herbs are food, are they not? Herbs provide us with dense nutrients and natural, edible medicinal properties.

Now about the Candida remark. I did not switch anything. You claimed that Candida is kept under check by a healthy immune system. You obviously didn’t understand my response. It has nothing to do with one’s immune system, but more about one’s diet and the balance between the good stuff and the bad and the condition of the lining of your gut. A good immune system doesn’t help the effects of Candida. Candida itself doesn’t cause as much havoc in our body as much as the havoc caused by our immune system trying to kill it when it’s in the blood stream. That was my point. The body attacks itself and it’s organs trying to kill the Candida and as a result one ends up with an auto immune disorder. What I was explaining is that an unhealthy immune system is not the cause of Candida but too much sugar, carbs and fiber, a lack of good bacteria and an unhealthy gut is the cause of it, as well as other things like antibiotics, NSAIDs etc. To get rid of Candida, one need to change their diet and heal the leaky gut.


I have no desire to argue with anyone here

You came in this thread arguing your point, didn’t you? This is a forum is it not? You laid down your opinion and I laid down mine. You don’t have to agree with mine but if you’re prepared to write something in a forum you should be able to accept opinions that differ from yours without getting defensive. I have nothing against you, I just didn’t agree with your opinion(s) in this thread. If you can’t handle that then maybe you should be the one to leave yourself out of the "axe-grinding" Thank you :)

[Arky]

What follows is not meant argumentatively, OK? I think we've been talking at crossed-purposes in the past couple of posts. That you and I are both longtime fans of natural healing is abundantly obvious, and, if we can just rewind a little and de-escalate this exchange, perhaps we can find some common ground.

Just to clear a few things up, now I finally have access to a proper PC rather than the limitations of my touchscreen phone:



“Liver flush”, “liver cleanse”, come on, it’s all the same thing isn’t it?


No, with respect, it's not 'all the same thing'. If you read the link I posted, you'll see I go into great detail on different ways of cleansing the liver (and I freely admit there's plenty more that I didn't include in that thread). In that thread, I point out risks of liver 'flushing'. On this particular point, you and I agree - liver flushing can be a risky and potentially detrimental thing to do. I know that all too well, as someone who has long suffered with a partial obstruction of the common bile duct. Please understand that I am not promoting flushing. I am simply saying that the use of stone-breaking herbs can be a very useful thing for someone trying to eliminate old deposits from the hepato-biliary system. Not essential for everyone, but nonetheless frequently useful. These herbs are generally very safe and act not just upon calcified stones but also upon cholesterol deposits. Some of them are even protective of hepatic function. No flushing required, just patience :)




I already wrote in my previous post (which you responded to) that I don’t like using the word “cleanse” when talking of the bowels, liver or gallbladder. Did you conveniently skip that bit before getting your back up?

OK, so you don't like the word 'Cleanse', but that doesn't mean that it isn't relevant in such discussions; it's just a personal opinion on your part that you happen to dislike the word. There's a distinction between superficially 'cleansing' organs and cleansing them on a deeper level. There is, indeed, a lot of nonsense commonly perpetuated in the superficial alternative health scene. Again, I think you and I (in a roundabout way) agree on this. I wrote a bit about some of this popular nonsense in this thread:

http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?33443-can-anyone-describe-colon-therapy&p=655719#post655719




As for your personal experience, I am also using personal experience as well as many many years on raw.

(Again, I'm not being argumentative here, please believe me) - this merely establishes that you have improved your health using (in so much as I understand you) diet and nutrition alone. I recognise the profound power of this approach, and I'm happy for you. However, it isn't necessarily powerful enough on it's own for everyone. And here's a point I think is very important - many people who are drawn to explore raw foods do so because they have some existing health issue(s) that they are hopeful dietary changes will heal. Thus, they may not have been eating a healthy diet for many years - some of them are very sick. In my situation, for example, I have longterm declining health, and this drew me to explore raw foods, amongst other healing modalities. I didn't come to raw foods via ideology, as some do. My particular issues include hepato-biliary issues and heavy metal intoxication. These will not resolve with food alone, no matter how nutritious.




What lol? You are kidding, right? The fact that herbalism exists should indicate that food and nutrition IS sufficient to rectify health conditions because herbs are food, are they not? Herbs provide us with dense nutrients and natural, edible medicinal properties.

LOL we're actually talking about the same coin from different angles. My remark was on the basis of drawing an (admittedly blurred) distinction between what are popularly referred to as 'culinary' and as 'medicinal' herbs. I do concede that yes, these distinctions involve a great deal of overlap, hence the difference in each of our remarks.




Now about the Candida remark. I did not switch anything. You claimed that Candida is kept under check by a healthy immune system.

I meant in a person without existing candida overgrowth, whereas it appears you are referring to someone who already has an issue with it, and yes, of course, a cascade of problems can develop over time. Although candidiasis is not something I specifically suffer with, I nonetheless understand systemic inflammation, due to heavy metal intoxication messing up my hepato-biliary function, with resulting cascade effects upon the immune system, and it is a self-compounding and very unpleasant state of affairs.



You obviously didn’t understand my response. It has nothing to do with one’s immune system, but more about one’s diet and the balance between the good stuff and the bad and the condition of the lining of your gut. A good immune system doesn’t help the effects of Candida. Candida itself doesn’t cause as much havoc in our body as much as the havoc caused by our immune system trying to kill it when it’s in the blood stream. That was my point. The body attacks itself and it’s organs trying to kill the Candida and as a result one ends up with an auto immune disorder. What I was explaining is that an unhealthy immune system is not the cause of Candida but too much sugar, carbs and fiber, a lack of good bacteria and an unhealthy gut is the cause of it, as well as other things like antibiotics, NSAIDs etc. To get rid of Candida, one need to change their diet and heal the leaky gut.


On this, we'll have to partially disagree. I believe candidiasis is very much related to immune function. but that's cool; we can disagree.




You came in this thread arguing your point, didn’t you? This is a forum is it not? You laid down your opinion and I laid down mine. You don’t have to agree with mine but if you’re prepared to write something in a forum you should be able to accept opinions that differ from yours without getting defensive. I have nothing against you, I just didn’t agree with your opinion(s) in this thread. If you can’t handle that then maybe you should be the one to leave yourself out of the "axe-grinding" Thank you :)

I have no problem with anyone holding different opinions from my own - what I disliked was your seeming determination to interpret my words in a way which suited you for the purposes of disagreement. However, I recognise the limitations of text-based communication, since the lack of vocal inflection and facial expression etc. can lead to unintended variations in how others interpret what was originally intended. This post is typed in a spirit of conciliation, so I hope we can put that behind us now.

Peace.

[aviatrix79]

Arky, okay, I’ve now read the thread in the link and see your distinction between a “flush” and a “cleanse” however you’re still assuming (in this thread) that all cases of constipation and acne are caused by a poorly functioning liver and gallbladder and that no acne or constipation condition can be corrected by a good diet. You’re also assuming because of your own experience with your own diet, that diet alone cannot resolve heavy metal intoxication. Well it can. Cilantro, can eliminate heavy metals from the body as quickly as two weeks. If you’re still suffering from this condition then you should look into cilantro and chlorella. So whilst we agree on the potential risks of the liver flush, I don’t agree with your first post in this thread that no health issue can be resolved without “cleansing” the liver. Not all digestive issues are a result of a poor liver. Many factors cause constipation. Things like haemorrhoids, too much fiber, too little fiber, too many diuretics, not enough water, too much water, an imbalance of bad bacteria, Candida and other parasites, viruses, damaged bowel tissue and nerve endings and a whole list of other things that I won’t go into here. Not everyone is the same and everyone’s condition won’t be remedied by the liver “cleanse” that you describe.

Back to Candida. No I’m not talking about a person with existing Candida overgrowth. An overgrowth of Candida is pretty simple to achieve given the right conditions. Unlike you, I have suffered from Candida and my perfect immune system didn’t do anything to keep the problem at bay. If anything, my immune system was the thing that almost killed me because it attacked my entire body whilst trying to kill the Candida (and other bugs). Aside from the Candida itself burrowing through the lining of my gut, the inflammatory response and the severe gastritis I got from it completely thinned out my intestinal lining and cause severe malabsorption and a host of other issues. I did not have an existing Candida problem. It was caused by drugs that caused an inbalance of good and bad bugs and that thinned out the lining of my intestinal wallsafter being admitted to the ER from an irrelevant rib injury that resulted in serious breathing issues. I did not have any problems with Candida, digestion or any health issues prior to that injury. What I’m saying is that most times Candida is NOT kept at bay from a healthy immune system and it’s that immune system that fights to the death that causes a whole list of other conditions, including severe inflammation throughout the body that can damage vital organs. A lot of people have Candida overgrowth and have no symptoms at all because these people’s immune systems aren’t as strong. What I’m saying is that the Candida itself isn’t as potentially harmful to us and our organs as the harmful immune response that follows when one has a healthy working immune system. Once there's an imbalance between good and bad bacteria and candida, candida and bad bacteria can cause lots of damage to our digestive tracks and the line between a balance and being crossed can happen very quickly. Once this happens, candida and h.pylori destroys mucosa, thins out the lining and ends up in your blood stream.

I too like most people turned to this lifestyle because of health issues. I was very young at the time and whenever I turned to conventional medicine it made me worse and I healed myself with nutrition. I’m not talking of superficial health conditions either, but serious, life threatening conditions that I combated through nutrition and yoga. I’ve been super healthy for many years and I don’t come to these forums looking for support, I come here to offer it. I could write books but I don’t feel comfortable earning money from the sick and the weak, so I pop into forums now and then and try to share what I’ve learnt over the years to save others from having to spend as much time as I did having to sift through an overload of conflicting information.

I did not interpret your words in a way that suited me. Liver cleanse and liver flush are often used interchangeably and I did not realise that you were using the word “liver cleanse” with a different meaning to the norm. I didn’t bother clicking on your link previously because a liver cleanse wasn’t necessarily completely relevant to the health conditions raised in this thread. I was not having a go at you. I simply responded to the information you wrote in this thread and you arked up because of it. Lol “arked up” “arky”, concidence? Jusk kidding! Anyway, enough of this back and forth nonsense, lets instead try to focus on the topic in this thread and help tolondontoparis with her conditions. Peace from me too and all the best with your health issues too :)

[Arky]

You have an interesting story to tell about the candida, I'll give you that much :-)

I'm sorry to hear you had such a hard time with it, but I'm glad you made it to tell the tale and to help others - you know what they say: 'what doesn't kill us makes us stronger', and every life experience is an opportunity to learn (I particularly identify with the latter statement).

Disagree about the cilantro though ;-)


Arky, okay, I’ve now read the thread in the link and see your distinction between a “flush” and a “cleanse” however you’re still assuming (in this thread) that all cases of constipation and acne are caused by a poorly functioning liver and gallbladder and that no acne or constipation condition can be corrected by a good diet. You’re also assuming because of your own experience with your own diet, that diet alone cannot resolve heavy metal intoxication. Well it can. Cilantro, can eliminate heavy metals from the body as quickly as two weeks. If you’re still suffering from this condition then you should look into cilantro and chlorella. So whilst we agree on the potential risks of the liver flush, I don’t agree with your first post in this thread that no health issue can be resolved without “cleansing” the liver. Not all digestive issues are a result of a poor liver. Many factors cause constipation. Things like haemorrhoids, too much fiber, too little fiber, too many diuretics, not enough water, too much water, an imbalance of bad bacteria, Candida and other parasites, viruses, damaged bowel tissue and nerve endings and a whole list of other things that I won’t go into here. Not everyone is the same and everyone’s condition won’t be remedied by the liver “cleanse” that you describe.Back to Candida. No I’m not talking about a person with existing Candida overgrowth. An overgrowth of Candida is pretty simple to achieve given the right conditions. Unlike you, I have suffered from Candida and my perfect immune system didn’t do anything to keep the problem at bay. If anything, my immune system was the thing that almost killed me because it attacked my entire body whilst trying to kill the Candida (and other bugs). Aside from the Candida itself burrowing through the lining of my gut, the inflammatory response and the severe gastritis I got from it completely thinned out my intestinal lining and cause severe malabsorption and a host of other issues. I did not have an existing Candida problem. It was caused by drugs that caused an inbalance of good and bad bugs and that thinned out the lining of my intestinal wallsafter being admitted to the ER from an irrelevant rib injury that resulted in serious breathing issues. I did not have any problems with Candida, digestion or any health issues prior to that injury. What I’m saying is that most times Candida is NOT kept at bay from a healthy immune system and it’s that immune system that fights to the death that causes a whole list of other conditions, including severe inflammation throughout the body that can damage vital organs. A lot of people have Candida overgrowth and have no symptoms at all because these people’s immune systems aren’t as strong. What I’m saying is that the Candida itself isn’t as potentially harmful to us and our organs as the harmful immune response that follows when one has a healthy working immune system. Once there's an imbalance between good and bad bacteria and candida, candida and bad bacteria can cause lots of damage to our digestive tracks and the line between a balance and being crossed can happen very quickly. Once this happens, candida and h.pylori destroys mucosa, thins out the lining and ends up in your blood stream. I too like most people turned to this lifestyle because of health issues. I was very young at the time and whenever I turned to conventional medicine it made me worse and I healed myself with nutrition. I’m not talking of superficial health conditions either, but serious, life threatening conditions that I combated through nutrition and yoga. I’ve been super healthy for many years and I don’t come to these forums looking for support, I come here to offer it. I could write books but I don’t feel comfortable earning money from the sick and the weak, so I pop into forums now and then and try to share what I’ve learnt over the years to save others from having to spend as much time as I did having to sift through an overload of conflicting information.I did not interpret your words in a way that suited me. Liver cleanse and liver flush are often used interchangeably and I did not realise that you were using the word “liver cleanse” with a different meaning to the norm. I didn’t bother clicking on your link previously because a liver cleanse wasn’t necessarily completely relevant to the health conditions raised in this thread. I was not having a go at you. I simply responded to the information you wrote in this thread and you arked up because of it. Lol “arked up” “arky”, concidence? Jusk kidding! Anyway, enough of this back and forth nonsense, lets instead try to focus on the topic in this thread and help tolondontoparis with her conditions. Peace from me too and all the best with your health issues too :)

[tolondontoparis]

You have an interesting story to tell about the candida, I'll give you that much :-)

I'm sorry to hear you had such a hard time with it, but I'm glad you made it to tell the tale and to help others - you know what they say: 'what doesn't kill us makes us stronger', and every life experience is an opportunity to learn (I particularly identify with the latter statement).

Disagree about the cilantro though ;-)

Oh You guys! I feel like I was watching a battle befor emy eyes! More like reading one! Their was supense, livers being thrown around, some greens here and there and loads of suspense and climactic moments! Then I reached the end, here and you have made up! Joy! ***happy dances***

I am not dicrediting anything you are saying Arky, it's just that, well, Avia here pruposed ideas conducive to my natural mindset, and liverflushes/ cleanses make me cringe!

Avia thanks so much for sharing your story! And oh my gosh! My brother lives in Aussie and I am familiar with the time zone gap! I sure hope you are sleeping! thanks for deterring your sleep to help me! It makes my heart sing when I read your story, and success, and that you willingly want to help others! I'm so sick of peopel charging for this and for that! All people should help people for free and I lvoe you for this! Oh boy oh boy!

Raw honey mustard salad hear I come. Vitamin D all day tomorrow, and healthy bathroom and mind for the win!

I shall check in if I remember, but I shall make a conscious effort to check in on both you and Arky. I like you guys :)

[aviatrix79]

Thanks Arky :) The Candida issue wasn't what made me go raw. It was pretty recent... only three years ago so despite being a health nut and healthy for years, being raw doesn't make one immune to such things and it's a constant effort to maintain that health. One slip up (trusting conventional doctors) and I was back to where I was (if not worse) before going raw. The condition that did lead me here however was severe endometriosis which caused adhesions binding my organs together, terrible pain and iflammation, constant grapefruit sized ovarian cysts, many that burst and many that were removed surgically, and the most scary... dangerous tumors. Operations made me worse and I ended up turning to alternative therapies and nutrition at a very young age. I'm thankful because if I hadn't, I very much doubt I would be here today. I've learnt a lot and health and nutrition has become a hobby for me. I also do believe there's a place for conventional medicine when it comes emergency situations... heart attacks, strokes etc and for diagnosis, but I completely distrust doctors and surgeons/butchers with their band-aid responses that don't attack the underlying cause of a particular problem and often make it (and other things) much worse.

Tolondontoparis, you're very cute! I'm happy to help out you or anyone, if, where or when I can. And yes we've kissed and made up lol. I actually don't get upset that easily so I didn't find it that unnerving :) I'm probably a little guilty of lacking tact because I'm pretty straight forward and blurt things out due to time constraints. If I'm a little abrupt with my responses, I apologise but that's just how I am. Arky's right, without facial expressions and body language (which makes up 80% of visual communication btw), it's easy to get offended over something on the net. But all is sweet and sharing information is what these forums are about. Sharing experiences can help so many on the net and that's why I conciously make an effort to look for these posts online. Most people, get sick, go online, get well and they disappear leaving the others struggling. I promised myself years ago that I would help others who are in a similar situation so that's what I intend to do. I may step on a toe or two along the way but if I heal the other eight, it's worthwhile :)

[aviatrix79]

Vitamin D is necessary to reduce all acne problem. You can use Aloe Vera gel to apply on acne because it has lots of vitamin D and it will helps against acne scare. You should eat all fresh fruits which contain vitamin D. Do cardio exercise when you have time.

There is no vitamin D in either Aloe Vera or any fruit.

[Bobbo]

I use to suffer from bad skin and I found eating raw really helped. I have been taking a raw meal replacement once a day for the last year and have noticed a huge difference. I drink plenty of water as well which helps and of course exercise. I just had my first baby two months ago and I didn't fight with acne while pregnant and I still have been clear.

[tolondontoparis]

That's aboslutely wonderful! Yay for posotive vibes!