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michelle1013
01-14-2012, 12:20 AM
I was wondering if any of you do coffee enemas. My husband is doing the Gerson Therapy at home and is starting to do coffee enemas. He brought one of those enemas with the red bottle, but the Gerson Therapy says to go inside about 8 inches. Ok, so here is my question. So, where can we get an "official" coffee enema? Also, have you put it inside that far? We were worried that it might damage or hurt something. Any other experiences/advice would be helpful.
fastfreedom
01-14-2012, 12:41 AM
You only want to insert the enema tip only a couple inches. Inserting the tip 8 inches is way too far. It only needs to be inserted enough that the coffee will flow into the rectum.
What do you mean by official coffee enema? Are you asking if there is a professional person you can go to that will administer the coffee enema? If that is what you are asking then I don't know of anywhere you can do that.
Do you have the gerson book? It has details in it about the coffee enema. If you don't then I can share with you the basic idea of it.
MysticTree
01-14-2012, 12:45 AM
I really think following a raw food diet obviates the need for enemas. It is not natural to stick stuff in that end and I am unconvinced that it actually benefits except psychologically perhaps.
fastfreedom
01-14-2012, 12:51 AM
With utter and complete respect to you MysticTree. I totally disagree.
Dr. Fred Bisci has lots of detail and over 40 years of experience with this area.
michelle1013
01-14-2012, 01:02 AM
My husband has cancer and we have the Gerson book, we just started the juicing and organic live food diet, etc. The Gerson book says 8 to 10 inches. It is suppose to detox the liver by opening up the bile ducts. Will this still happen if it is only inserted the usual 3 inches. Oh, what I meant when I said "official coffee enema" was I wasn't sure if there were regular enemas (that only go up 3 inches) and coffee enemas (that can go further). The one that we have has a stick, then it will not allow to go past that point. Gosh, we don't want to damage anything. Maybe the 3 inches will be just as effective.
Fastfreedom, do you know about the Gerson diet?
michigan roman
01-14-2012, 01:06 AM
link to thread with alot of info http://www.rawfoodtalk.com/showthread.php?10632-Cancer-Calling-all-Angels
fastfreedom
01-14-2012, 01:30 AM
I've studied the Gerson Therapy a little bit. But I honestly can't figure out why they say to insert the tube 8 inches. I had to go look at my book and sure enough they say to insert it 8-10 inches. Maybe I need to study it a bit more to see if there's a purpose for inserting it that far.
But my understanding and experience with coffee enemas is to only allow the coffee to stay in the rectum where the hemorrhoidal vein is. The hemorrhoidal vein connects directly to the liver from the rectum which basically causes it to detox itself and also cause the gallbladder to squeeze itself clean. And that can be accomplished by simply laying on the right side while administering the enema with a regular tip. And I've only ever used a regular enema tip and the coffee enema's are always effective.
MysticTree
01-14-2012, 01:34 AM
The Gerson book says 8 to 10 inches.
This sounds positively dangerous. Certainly if not done under the supervision of someone who has been trained to insert something this far.
speltrong
01-14-2012, 08:18 PM
This does sound dangerous! I would strongly suggest that you seek medical advice before doing this. I also happen to agree that enemas are completely unnecessary, especially if living a very healthful life and keeping the body fed with good nutritious foods. I would be very hesitant to try this if I were you.
Revvell
01-14-2012, 08:37 PM
I've inserted mine at least 6 inches w/out damage. People (men and women) have sex using way more than that. Stop the fear folk. If you've not done it, then stop scaring people with your own fears.
I read a book loooong ago about a woman who had inoperable cancer throughout her whole system. She was basically told to go home and die. She began a juice regimen and with the help of her husband, did numerous enemas daily and lived. I've since tried to find the book to no avail. :(
speltrong
01-14-2012, 08:51 PM
And just because you have done it (or read a book about someone who has) doesn't mean that it's safe for just anyone to do... especially if they seem unsure about doing it in the first place. I assume they're asking because they want input from all sides. If not, and they're just looking for people to tell them to go ahead and do something that some of us feel could be unsafe if done incorrectly, then pardon me, I'll happily step out of this post.
SunshineMN
01-14-2012, 09:17 PM
I don't necessarily agree with doing enemas either, however, there are safer ways to deliver the fluid deeper into the colon. There are colon tubes (http://www.healthandyoga.com/html/product/colon_tube.aspx) available online. I've never seen these offered anywhere locally (not that I've really looked) and I don't have any experience with them. I'm sure some places that sell them (http://www.enemasupply.com/coltubin3siz.html) would be able to answer questions if you emailed them.
The second link even has a powdered organic coffee enema mix (http://www.enemasupply.com/enema-coffee.html) you can use as well.
speltrong
01-14-2012, 09:28 PM
Coffee enemas have been known to:
-damage tissues with the insertion device
-burn you if the coffee is not at a cool enough temperature: "You may think that you will be able to know if the hot liquids are inserted. But, the fact is that as the tube is inserted about three fourth inch of the rectum where nerve endings are very less you will not be able to feel the sense until great deal of damage is done to the tissues."
-make you addicted to coffee if you do it regularly
-cause electrolyte imbalances
-potential bacterial infection if you reuse the equipment and do not properly sterilize it
-dehydration if you do the enema often
-cause heart palpitations
-cause adverse reactions if you are sensitive to caffeine
-any insecticides contained in the coffee can cause issues
So, I think those potential risks are enough to warrant extreme caution when performing something like this. The last thing I would want to see is someone get hurt because they eagerly followed advice found on a forum. Even if you've done it yourself a thousand times with no ill effects, it's only fair to let the original poster get feedback from all. :-/
fastfreedom
01-14-2012, 09:31 PM
My guesstimation as to why it's recommended to insert the tube that far in the gerson protocol is because it is not mentioned to do a cleansing enema first, and they use up to 5 coffee enemas a day. So obviously there's going to be matter in the rectum, and my guess is that inserting a tube that far would be to help the person retain the coffee for at least 15 minutes.
But that's all just a guess. I suppose I could try it and come to my own conclusion through experience. DUH.
Revvell - The story you are speaking about sounds vaguely familiar.
Coffee enemas work, plain and simple. Do some research and then actually experience it before passing judgement. Not that I can really say much though because I was spreading fear about how far to insert an enema tip, then revell brought up a good point, and when I thought logically I was like, "DUH".
fastfreedom
01-14-2012, 09:39 PM
it's only fair to let the original poster get feedback from all. :-/
I totally agree. But I'm going to take the advice of a professional that's administered coffee enemas to thousands of patients and successfully healed those patients over the advice of anyone that's unwilling to even consider doing an enema. Not to target anyone specifically. And sticking something in the bum is a bit of a taboo subject that is based in fear, yet I can only say that if it works, then it works, and we need to be willing to accept that. I didn't accept it at first. But I can't argue with success, so I opened my mind.
speltrong
01-14-2012, 09:45 PM
I don't think anyone here advised NOT to do it, only to proceed cautiously, and to get input from a medical professional. That's hardly "scaring people with your own fears". It's a rational suggestion as enemas have been known to cause injury if done incorrectly. What is irrational is telling people to go ahead and do something that could cause injury without checking with a professional first, just because you yourself have not had a negative outcome.
Revvell
01-14-2012, 10:40 PM
it's only fair to let the original poster get feedback from all. :-/
No one is stopping the op from getting advice/feedback from anyone. I just said what is for me. You, and they, can take it or leave it. I'm part of "all"...
Revvell
01-14-2012, 10:45 PM
Revvell - The story you are speaking about sounds vaguely familiar.
I probably read it maybe.... hmmm.... 20 years ago? Not sure. Wish I could find it again. It was pretty amazing how she and her honey went about doing something that most others would not agree to.
What I find interesting is how folk are afraid to stick a tube up their butts from a place like Gerson's which has been helping people heal themselves of cancer for ~ how long now? Yet will succumb to the doctor's fear tactics and are willing to poison, burn and mutilate themselves which, after ~ how many years now? ~ has not proven to be effective yet. Sometimes the best answer is the easiest.
MysticTree
01-15-2012, 01:29 AM
speaking for myself Revvell it's not a question of being scared but more a case of wondering why in heck it is not ok to put coffee into your system at the end that food normally goes into it but it's considered fine to put it in at the end where things are meant to come out and not go in.
I'm not questioning whether it works in the case of cancer treatment - I guess you gotta poison the cancer one way or another but I do question the benefit of these procedures in healthy people.
We often hear the phrase "we are the only animal who drinks another animal's milk" as a reason why we shouldn't drink dairy. We are the only animal that sticks a tube up their butts and uses fluids to "cleanse" but this unnatural behaviour is embraced by many of those same people who use the first argument I mentioned.
If it works for the individual in whatever way and at whatever level then that is, of course, fine by me but I do still think it an odd thing to do and certainly worthy of discussion.
RawDad
01-15-2012, 02:14 AM
The cooled organic coffee enemas allow the liver to release accumulated toxins. A very thorough explanation of how to perform them is given at the start of The Gerson Therapy at Home Disk 2 (http://www.amazon.com/Gerson-Therapy-Incurable-Testimonials-Preparation/dp/B0032D3HPC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326613373&sr=8-1). It also explains why it works why it is necessary.
It has nothing to do with poisoning the cancer. The cooled organic coffee is not a poison. People using the Gerson therapy intake 20lbs of fruit and vegetable juices per day. Enzymes and nutrients from these juices enter the liver tissues and release the accumulated poisons into the blood stream. If you don't help the liver to get rid of the toxins you can get sicker then before and damage the liver. The Gerson therapy is most recognized for treating very sick people who need rapid results. Very toxic people who may soon die if they don't immediately act to repair their bodies. As these people force the accumulated chemicals out they also have to help the body to release them or else you damage the liver.
As much as I'd like to sift through the six hours of Charlotte Gerson talking in The Gerson Therapy at Home to find the explanation of why the cooled organic coffee is effective at this, it is too late, but I do recommend everyone on these forums obtain a copy and watch.
Yes, it is an unnatural behavior, but the toxins in the world today people oblivious to healthy eating accumulate can be potent and life threatening. We are blessed to have ways to get them out of our system weather we start slightly toxic or near death toxic.
Sodomy is by no means proper behavior, but that isn't for medical reasons and involves things far larger then enema tubes, get an enema bucket (http://www.amazon.com/Enema-Bag-and-Bucket-Set/dp/B000PU6H4I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326615139&sr=8-1) on amazon.com for 8 bucks and you'll have what you really need and it is quite safe.
Its hard to tell who is healthy enough that they don't risk damaging their livers through the detox process. Healthy people are few and far between today.
Cooled organic coffee enemas have been found effective through the treatment of thousands of critically ill patients, and that is why it is okay. Drinking coffee has not been found effective in the recovery of critically ill patients, hence it is not okay.
Have questions? There is a whole institute set up to help people with questions about the therapy. Contact the Gerson Institute and one of the volunteers who have been saved by the therapy themselves will likely be able to help answer. (619)-685-5353 / (888)-443-7766 (US only)
MysticTree
01-15-2012, 02:56 AM
The cooled organic coffee is not a poison.
In which case it should be ok to drink it! Many, many health-mindful people are of the opinion that coffee - organic or otherwise is not good for you - it isn't raw and that's for sure.
There is so much conflicting opinion in the "alternative health" arena. It would be good to see these procedures really studied properly.
MysticTree
01-15-2012, 03:00 AM
Sodomy is by no means proper behavior, but that isn't for medical reasons and involves things far larger then enema tubes, get an enema bucket (http://www.amazon.com/Enema-Bag-and-Bucket-Set/dp/B000PU6H4I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326615139&sr=8-1) on amazon.com for 8 bucks and you'll have what you really need and it is quite safe.
That would actually be an example of why enemas are ok but you choose to have a negative view. It is natural behaviour because it happens in nature. Whether you approve of the lifestyle that it forms a part of is another issue altogether.
Revvell
01-15-2012, 08:11 AM
From the OP ~
My husband has cancer....
MysticTree
01-15-2012, 08:35 AM
From the OP ~
I don't think that has been missed.
Revvell
01-15-2012, 10:33 AM
..... I do question the benefit of these procedures in healthy people.
This discussion is not about healthy people.
MysticTree
01-15-2012, 11:11 AM
This discussion is not about healthy people.
It's about coffee enemas and my rounded view refers to both healthy and unhealthy people.
If every post must relate totally to the opening post then almost every post here including some of yours should be removed. I'm sure a mod will be along at some point and sort it all out.
fastfreedom
01-15-2012, 11:57 AM
There are some animals in nature that give themselves enemas. One that I can recall is a type of bird, but I never committed to memory what the name of the bird was. It's a natural thing that is done in nature.
Even though if it wasn't natural, then we should see the polluted world as a whole for what it is and realize that it is not pristine anymore. And every breath we take causes us to consume more toxins that our bodies weren't designed to thrive on. So sometimes we need to assist ourselves to get rid of those toxins.
Coffee enema's have been studied extensively. Even the government has spent money on the study of how effective coffee enema's are. And there are thousands of people who have used them to help detox their bodies. I can guarantee they work, I've seen it. But don't take my word for it. Give it a try for ones-self and decide.
I've heard so many people say they were healthy only to have them re-iterate what they said once they committed to detoxing through coffee enemas and colonics.
I truly respect everyone having their own opinion. But at the end of the day if you've never used coffee enemas or colon hydrotherapy to heal, then you are simply spreading around negative opinions about something which has actually been proven to be healing. I mean, I wouldn't go to nasa and tell them how to build a space shuttle because I've read someone else's opinion on the subject. But I will take the advice of someone that has more experience than I with colon hydrotherapy and healed thousands of people in the process.
And maybe some do have an opinion against enemas and colonics after trying them a couple of times thinking maybe they don't work. But I can attest to the fact that even people who thought they were really healthy had LOTS of toxic stuff come out after they had over a DOZEN colonic sessions. So sometimes it may take a little while to get that stuff out because it's been rooted in there for so many years. And I've seen people on a raw food diet for several years thinking they were healthy all of a sudden get sick even to the point of losing their hair, because they didn't believe in colon hydrotherapy. They were basically going through auto-intoxication because they had been eating such a clean diet that the endogenous material was moving out of their cells and the body couldn't keep up to get rid of all those toxins. Then they blame it on eating raw food instead of really knowing what's going on.
I really respect everyone on here because we are all walking towards a path of achieving better quality of life while nourishing our bodies with excellent foods. But please research the subjects thoroughly and experience it before adding opinions to other peoples opinions. It's something I'm still guilty of, but I'm trying to be more conscious of it. Read the works of Dr. Gerson, Dr. Norman Walker, Dr Fred Bisci, Ann Wigmore, and the many others that put into practice healing the bodies of dis-eased people. They all knew through their practice that to truly heal you not only need excellent nutrition, but you MUST also get the toxins out. And from the environment we live in at the moment they all found that colon hydrotherapy was number one to achieve this. Otherwise the body couldn't keep up with the detox and in many cases became sicker.
fastfreedom
01-15-2012, 12:07 PM
I suppose I also wanted to add, that when coffee is consumed orally it has a different effect on the body than when it is used as an enema. But I too am in the same boat as RawDad in that I don't want to spend countless hours here typing to explain what's going on. The coffee enema has already been exhaustively studied and the results recorded. So if you truly want more information it is out there. ;-) And I can guarantee that the results are far beyond psychological. It has been proven that it detoxes the body.
adobegirl
01-15-2012, 02:45 PM
Not trying to engage in an argument (or initiate one), but I have found that for me, detoxing the colon has been the number 1 key to healing.
I've personally had healing through colonics and enemas and I am just thankful it's possible to do. For me, coffee enemas affected my body a lot differently than drinking it would have and has. I'm thankful for the positive experience.
Organs also affect emotions. The liver stores anger, which I find kind of interesting. You can just google it, but here is one site that talks about it and a quote from it.
One of the first signs of liver dysfunction is emotional difficulty related to anger: impatience, frustration, resentment, violence, belligerence, rudeness, edginess, arrogrance, stubbornness, aggression and an impulsive and explosive personality.
http://www.mdjunction.com/diary/detoxification/importance-of-liver-detoxification-for-emotional-mental-health-issues
:heart :heart
Here is also an interesting video, if anyone is interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DIgiVHqDXQ&list=UUPW4dz9AgWji2kFW--wIqMA&index=2&feature=plcp
adobegirl
01-15-2012, 02:48 PM
There is also a liver cleanse I do periodically that uses phos drops instead of epsom salts. Let me know if you'd like more information on it (or you can just google Phos Drops). Epsom salts, while working to soften the stones, also causes some toxicity and I wouldn't recommend it personally.
Best of luck to your husband in his healing journey. It is possible to heal.
You can buy flexible 'rectal tubes' which are used in hospitals to go further up (up to 30cm). They usually fit on the end of a enema kit. see also: www.enemainfo.com
It is important to keep in mind that we are all build slightly different and things can change over time, eg prolapsed colon.
When you use any kind of enema equipment you should be careful and do it slowly. You can ask a colon hydrotherapist to show you how to use it if you are not sure.
fastfreedom
01-15-2012, 04:08 PM
I am sorry if I've been a bit brash in a lot of my earlier posts. I didn't mean to offend nor anger anyone. I just get very passionate about helping people heal. And I find that I lose my communication skills while typing to be gentle enough in what I'm saying without sounding harsh. Typically it's because I'm trying to type quickly enough that I don't need to sit at the computer for too long. So I'm not trying to sound ornery, I just want to help spread the fact's that I've experienced.:hug
Organs also affect emotions. The liver stores anger, which I find kind of interesting. You can just google it, but here is one site that talks about it and a quote from it.
I've experienced this shift of emotions after committing to colon hydrotherapy. It was an amazing experience. Eating raw food made me feel better, juice fasting made me feel better, and even my brother does lots of meditating and such to change ones emotions and he has given me lots of tips and such. But none of those things made a huge impact on my emotions until I began cleansing my organs using colon hydrotherapy. I took a HUGE leap forward in releasing years of pent up emotions, it was profound. It is an indescribable feeling and one really needs to experience it for themselves to understand it fully. :excited:
I would be interested in your liver cleanse. I have avoided doing epsom salt liver cleanses because they are just so taxing on my body. So far I've basically just used coffee enemas while drinking lots of juice to help purge my liver. I learned this from someone on curezone, I'll try to find the link....I can't find it right now. Basically though it's going on an apple juice fast for 3-5 days and doing a cleansing enema followed by a coffee retention enema with a little epsom salt in it and then an hour or so later another cleansing enema every day. The person said they were getting lots of stones out doing this.
speltrong
01-15-2012, 06:15 PM
I also have major issues with the fact that a raw foodist would not drink coffee, but shoving it up one's bum is totally acceptable. I also am astounded at the implication that being gay is "improper"... truly disappointing. I can't even believe people still have that opinion!
I think the word "proven" is used out of context a whole lot within this forum, and certainly is not used much of the time with the scientific meaning in mind. Just because you have done something successfully, or you read a book 20 years ago about someone who did does not mean that it's proven. Not at all.
Lastly, I'd like to point out that it's unreasonable (not to mention unkind) to say that those who have not done it are not welcome to comment.
That said, hope you all enjoy your coffee enemas. It's pretty obvious that differing viewpoints aren't wanted on this topic.
adobegirl
01-15-2012, 09:49 PM
I would be interested in your liver cleanse. I have avoided doing epsom salt liver cleanses because they are just so taxing on my body. So far I've basically just used coffee enemas while drinking lots of juice to help purge my liver. I learned this from someone on curezone, I'll try to find the link....I can't find it right now. Basically though it's going on an apple juice fast for 3-5 days and doing a cleansing enema followed by a coffee retention enema with a little epsom salt in it and then an hour or so later another cleansing enema every day. The person said they were getting lots of stones out doing this.
This is just what I've done for me. I did it through a natural healer friend of mine so you might want to do some more research just to make sure it's what you want to do. I'm not a doctor or an herbalist. This is just what I've done for my own health and we are all on our own journey so you will have to decide for yourself.
I generally have been using Nutri-West Phos Drops (http://www.pureformulas.com/phosdrops-60cc-liquid-by-nutri-west.html). (Click on the words to the left to get to the link) One bottle has done two cleanses for me.
On the day of the cleanse, I mix half the bottle (30cc) in about a quart or more of apple juice. I found that more juice worked better for me and that less made me a little nauseous.
If I wasn't raw, I would make sure that at least a couple days prior to the cleanse, I was 100% raw. On the day of the cleanse, I have my last meal at 2 pm, but on the days of the cleanse, I tend to juice more than use solid foods. Also it is better to make sure the colon is clear before starting this cleanse.
I divide the mixture into even doses and drink throughout the day, making sure I am done with it by 5 or 6 pm at the latest. I also make sure to use a straw and rinse my mouth really well after each dose because it can ruin the enamel.
Then in the evening, for me around 9 pm, I juice at least 3/4 cup of grapefruit and add 1/2 cup of cold pressed organic olive oil. I put them into a jar to shake them up, which emulsifies it. Before I start this process, I make sure everything is done for the night so once I am to this point, I can go right to bed.
I drink the concoction within 15 minutes of juicing the grapefruit and drink it standing up. As soon as I can afterward, I lie down on my right side and put a hot water bottle on the ride side, on top of the liver area. This part was optional, but I found that it helped. I try to go to sleep immediately if I can, but if not, I make sure I lie very still.
I tend to have a little trouble falling asleep after taking this stuff because it makes me a little sick to my stomach, although I like the taste of the combination. The next morning, I generally do a colonic.
This next time, however, I actually got a different Phos drops and am doing it a bit differently. This one is called Super Phos 30 (http://www.amazon.com/Super-Phos-30-Gallbladder-Cleanse/dp/B0015ZSRTK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326685106&sr=8-1) (Click on the words to the left to get to the link) The directions for this one state:
With the measuring cup provided mix 10cc of Super Phos 30TM (or 90 drops from a dropper) with a quart of organic apple juice and drink 1 quart daily for three days. You may use distilled water instead of apple juice if you prefer, although apple juice is recommended as its natural acids work to activate the orthophosphoric acid ingredient. Eat normally on day 1 and 2. Eat light meals on day 3. On the third night will be the cleanse itself and I will be following the steps above for that part (as well as probably just juicing the day of the cleanse).
I'm not sure if this will work better or worse, but I'll find out next week. :)
Hope that helps! :) :heart :heart
fastfreedom
01-15-2012, 10:54 PM
I also have major issues with the fact that a raw foodist would not drink coffee, but shoving it up one's bum is totally acceptable. I also am astounded at the implication that being gay is "improper"... truly disappointing. I can't even believe people still have that opinion!
You can purchase raw coffee. And drinking coffee compared to what it does as an enema is totally different.
I think the word "proven" is used out of context a whole lot within this forum, and certainly is not used much of the time with the scientific meaning in mind. Just because you have done something successfully, or you read a book 20 years ago about someone who did does not mean that it's proven. Not at all.
Coffee enemas have been proven to detox the body though. I just did a quick search and here is the link. http://medicinefromwho.blogspot.com/2008/04/coffee-enemas-science-right-from-merck.html Though the studies aren't on the page, it will show where you can find them.
Lastly, I'd like to point out that it's unreasonable (not to mention unkind) to say that those who have not done it are not welcome to comment.
I feel this is directed to me for some of what I've said, and I'm sorry for that. I was just trying to say that it would be more beneficial if the opinions were backed up by facts showing that coffee enemas weren't effective which would deem them unnecessary. But the facts prove that coffee enemas are excellent at detoxing the body. Which in many cases, such as cancer, make them necessary.
That said, hope you all enjoy your coffee enemas. It's pretty obvious that differing viewpoints aren't wanted on this topic.
I don't mind differing viewpoints. It was a different viewpoint that brought me to study eating raw food and fasting and detoxing the body, which has lead me down a path of unbelievable health that most anyone would envy.
All the best to everyone. :throwhearts:
michelle1013
01-15-2012, 11:12 PM
Thanks everyone for your feedback. We will be asking an integrative doctor tomorrow. I am pretty sure he might say not to stick it up that far. But, really, thanks for all the feedback!
michelle1013
01-15-2012, 11:19 PM
THank you for your input. Yes, that is what my husband read about why it is necessary to do a coffee enema. We are on the dVD #1, but we should check out the #2 to make sure we are doing it right. To all of you, about coffee enemas, my husband has stage 4 cancer, the next route is radiation or chemo. We decided to do Gerson 100% because it's our last hope before we move into a world we are dreading. We will do whatever it takes, even something un-natural like a coffee enema. It's a very humbling situation for my husband, and I give him so much credit that he is doing this faithfully every day. He wants to live, so whatever it takes.
Revvell
01-15-2012, 11:40 PM
We will do whatever it takes, even something un-natural like a coffee enema.
If I found I had cancer, I'd go to Gerson and do it all. Nothing is as un-natural as the poison of chemo, the burning of radiation and the mutilation of the knife. I wish you both well. Please keep us updated. Might want to look up chi lel on YouTube. When it was still allowed (don't know if it is now or not), the Chinese had what they called "medicineless hospitals) and they would do chi lel all day. It was the patients' job to do it. They took in people who'd tried Easter and Western medicine and were brought in in wheel chairs and stretchers after being told to go home and die. They had about a 96% success rate.
Wishing you both much success and health.
MysticTree
01-16-2012, 12:39 AM
Thanks everyone for your feedback. We will be asking an integrative doctor tomorrow. I am pretty sure he might say not to stick it up that far. But, really, thanks for all the feedback!
Good luck with that. He may also be able to point you in the direction of sound literature on the coffee enema. I think that would also help :o)
byzantinehalo
01-16-2012, 02:34 AM
If in doubt contact The Gerson Institute...go direct to the source. I know people who have come back
from stage four, alive and well to this day. You have to be diligent on the Gerson Therapy, follow it
to the letter.
All the very best to you both :)
walnutty
01-16-2012, 04:46 AM
Matt Monarch, Matt Monarch, Matt Monarch...enough said!
Traceyraw
01-16-2012, 08:31 AM
Michelle, Im wishing the best for you and your husband. I had a friend with stage 2 colon cancer yes she took chemo but along with that she did a green smoothie fast for 3 months. Her last scan no signs of the cancer. Please don't give up. You can have great progress with nutrition.
adobegirl
01-16-2012, 10:55 AM
Matt Monarch, Matt Monarch, Matt Monarch...enough said!
I agree. Love that family. :)
Best of luck to you, Michelle. I wish much healing for your husband! :heart: :heart: :heart: :heart:
Bagalamukhi
01-17-2012, 05:11 PM
Did you consider using MMS in the treatment. I'm healing my breast cancer with this and I have good results.
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