high protein juices for weight lifting

[rminton]

While I am not looking to build muscle on my 30 day juice fast, I am hoping to continue lifting weights and atleast maintain. I have been taking protein shakes after lifting for years with results better than when I was lifting with no protein supplements. I have read that muscle is one of the last things the body will burn while on a fast, but my worry is that if I am damaging my muscles while lifting (which is what lifting does, damaged and rebuilds bigger) they may not be able to fully heal and will atrophy that way. I was thinking of trying to make a high protein juice using soy beans to take after my workout on my lifting days. Does anyone have any suggestions for recipies? Any thoughts or suggestions on this subject are appreciated.

[fastfreedom]

You may want to do some digging on this one. I recall reading about some that fasted on protein drinks and they died because their kidney's shut down. I don't know if doing protein drinks while juice fasting would have a negative affect on the kidney's or not.

I just quit working out heavily while on a cleansing cycle such as fasting. I like to move about and such, but I don't like to be swinging my kettlebell around if I'm fasting. You may also want to search about on this subject too. But I've noticed that it's common practice to rest the body while fasting.

[rminton]

I could be completely wrong as I am just now entering my first fast, I understand that adding protein shakes are a bad idea to a fast because of their effects on the kidneys, however, there are vegetable proteins that will be consumed. Referring to the documentary Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead where "Mean Green" was showcased, it has 5.5 grams of protein. I have dug on the subject and have found multiple people saying its a horrible idea to work out while on a fast and some that say its a good idea. If I am already taking in protein, as long as I am not overloading on protein, I'm curious to see the effect. I was not looking to add a protein supplement, just adding vegetables which are high in protein, such as legumes and spirulina. Thoughts?

[Raw Angel Mom]

Dark greens. Use tone of greens in your juice. Look at the elephant and cow, they are huge and have muscle and only eat greens or grass.

Wheat grass juice too.

[Traceyraw]

This is information Aleesha posted on the fasting thread

A little info (http://www.falconblanco.com/health/fasting.htm#Water%20Fasting%20Concern) to share:


Proteins & Fasting
It was theorized that protein loss during fasting was harmful and that a fast should be supplemented with protein. Fasting with protein became known as the Opti-fast. Fasters took nothing but water and a protein drink. Sadly, several people died. Protein digestion during the fasting state created an overload of urea and the blood become acidic. In this condition, the organs become more damaged instead of healing. To the body, fasting is a natural process. During water or juice fasting, the protein levels of the blood remain constant. Although protein is being utilized, a person fasting 40 days on water will not suffer a deficiency of either protein, vitamins, minerals or fatty acids. In the breakdown of dying and diseased cells, all essential substances are available while fasting for reuse within the body. These dead cells are utilized in a systematic manner.

Protein deficiency is non existent in North America. You never hear of anyone being diagnosed with protein deficiency. Fruit and vegetable juices have water-soluble highly absorbable proteins. The body has a store of protein, and it uses it selectively. Dying cells are the first to be used and healthy and vital tissues are the very last and will only be used as a last resort. Only during starvation is protein being stripped from healthy tissue to be used to survive. This may take 30 to 80 days of fasting on water to reach this point.

The systematic searching of cells to be metabolized is crucial in the healing of cancer. A cancer cell represents protein and calories. Some cancers are so persistent that you have to force the body to choose between healthy cells and cancer cells. This requires a long fast on small portions of juice combined with days of water fasting.



VERY interesting:

[fastfreedom]

Spirulina is okay to add to a fast. Though I don't know how much juice you would get from legumes. LOL

I honestly don't know about taking legume powder though during a fast as I am guessing that this is what you are actually asking about. In a juice fast your digestion basically just slows way down cus you're pretty much on a liquid diet. So the GI tract isn't "officially" ever totally at rest. Though legumes are dense and may awaken the digestion more than you would want while juice fasting.? I honestly don't know.

I think that on the juice feasting website they use almond milk. But don't quote me on that because I am not totally sure. You could check out their site. http://www.juicefeasting.com/

[protein-losing-enteropath]

This is information Aleesha posted on the fasting thread

A little info (http://www.falconblanco.com/health/fasting.htm#Water%20Fasting%20Concern) to share:

Protein deficiency is non existent in North America. You never hear of anyone being diagnosed with protein deficiency.

VERY interesting:

WRONG.

I registered on this board just to write this. But that is wrong. There are thousands of people with protein losing diseases. Trust me, I'm one of them. It kills you, but it kills you by drowning you from the insides. Your organs swell up with fluids and so does your tissue. I tried juicing once, not taking in any outside proteins(e,g. whey protein, hemp protein,etc). My albumin dropped to 1.5 and nearly killed me. I gained an additional 20lbs of water weight, I was coughing up water from my lungs for weeks. I believe in eating well, and not taking in a lot of processed food, and I myself still have a juicer even though a juice fast nearly killed me.

My albumin and protein levels are still half of what they should be. This is not due to the fast, they're like that because of my disease. I normally sit at 2.5, most people are mid 4 to 5. They aren't as bad as they were. But sometimes if I don't eat enough animal protein or foods high in proteins like nuts/beans it will drop and I will get diarrhea, bloat up with an extra 10lbs of water within a few days, and require albumin infusions intravenously.

[MysticTree]

There are thousands of people with protein losing diseases.

but this because you have a specific disease/condition/syndrome. If the numbers suffering this way are in the 1000s (as you say) then statistically speaking it is close to non-existent. Not that this helps you with your condition of course and I am sure that a raw diet high in good, USABLE protein would have a much more positive impact on your protein levels than an animal protein based one.

[protein-losing-enteropath]

Is there any evidence that USABLE protein has a difference on albumin/protein in the blood? I'm just curious and what do you mean USABLE? Are you talking about Whey/Egg Protein? I believe they're the highest in bio-availability and nitrogen synthesis(I believe, wiki is blacked out).

I meant thousands as in there are over 700,000 AMERICANS associated with Crohn's disease which is a form of Protein Losing Enteropathy. There are many other forms of PLE. It's just very rare because the more severe cases people typically die within 5 years of being diagnosed through an Alpha-1 test. I've been in now 3 clinical trials, trying out drugs and diets for these diseases.

[MysticTree]

I'm talking about protein/amino acids available to the body to actually use as opposed to damaged protein that makes up a sizable proportion of cooked protein which the body cannot use..

[Traceyraw]

Your proTein losing enteropathy is caused by some disease state. You weren't born with it. The average american is not protein deficient because of his or her diet. You did not get this from not eating enough protein you got it from a disease.

[MysticTree]

I don't think there is any need to shout tracyraw.

[Traceyraw]

I don't think there is any need to shout tracyraw. Im sorry for using caps. You said it many times yourself. If you do not agree with Alissa's 100% raw vegan diet this is not the place for you. Im sorry if I offended you Mystic. But these are things you said yourself. I will erase the caps.

[MysticTree]

Im sorry for using caps. You said it many times yourself. If you do not agree with Alissa's 100% raw vegan diet this is not the place for you. Im sorry if I offended you Mystic. But these are things you said yourself. I will erase the caps.

I wasn't offended ... a little surprised is all.

[RawDad]

Dark greens. Use tone of greens in your juice. Look at the elephant and cow, they are huge and have muscle and only eat greens or grass.

Wheat grass juice too.

This seems right to me. But I had to double check. According to my reseach we need about 55g of protein per day. I get this number from two sources, Healing with Whole Foods by Paul Pitchford and this website. (http://www.vegparadise.com/protein.html) Using the numbers from the website to determine the amount of vegetables necessary to meet the protein requirements it appears one would need to juice about 25 cups of kale to get a sufficient requirement. But the numbers are only for cooked vegetables, I would like to see some raw figures.

So to get raw figures I went to the FDA (http://www.fda.gov/Food/LabelingNutrition/FoodLabelingGuidanceRegulatoryInformation/InformationforRestaurantsRetailEstablishments/ucm063367.htm). No figures for kale, but using those numbers I get about 14 medium stalks of broccoli to meet the requirements. So this makes me want to see some organic and raw figures to see if there is any difference.

But based on that brief study I have to say your probably better off throwing in some smoothies with nuts then going just juice if you'd like to continue lifting weights on a liquid diet. Perhaps spirulina could help. Maybe bee pollen. Something doesn't add up though. I feel like it should be possible to maintain on juices, and I'd like to learn more about this.

Where it adds up though is if as Mystic Tree points out the amino acids which are plentiful in the juices form the proteins and we don't go to the more complex protein right away I think there would be plenty of aminos to create the necessary protein. But I don't know very much about amino acids just that they can make protein and that they are plentiful in fruits and vegetables. I feed my son who is off the growth charts at the WIC office (hes big for two) a ton of juice and he seems to be getting what he needs. So maybe, just maybe, protein isn't what you should be looking at as a weight lifter, but amino acids.

Can anyone back that up?

[fastfreedom]

I can't back that up with my own personal evidence.....yet. But it is my opinion too that it's the amino acids that are important, everything I've gathered throughout the years suggests that it's the amino acids we need. The protein hype is just that......hype. And in my opinion there is so much talk of protein diets, protein this, and protein that.......simply because for the average person they ate bacon and other charred flesh at such a young age that they now crave it at an older age. It's not that their body needs it nor craves it. It's simply their mind/body loaded with toxins and erhhh, uhhmmm,.....the critters...cough..... in their body that demand it.

Amino acids are the building blocks needed to build the body properly. And there's an abundance of amino acids when one eats raw vegan.

[shinjite]

Search Google - I remember reading several articles about raw bodybuilders and fitness models who have done long term fasts and weight lifted during the fasts.

[nrothgarden]

Why don't you get raw protein powders that are made from plant sources? You can mix them in with green smoothies.