Raw Vegan Protein Please

[RighteousYogini]

Hi Everyone

Can people tell me the highest protein foods on a raw vegan diet? I'm Hypoglycemic and need to eat proteins with any sugars, even fruits, that I have while my blood sugar is stabilizing.

thank you!

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Hi Everyone

Can people tell me the highest protein foods on a raw vegan diet? I'm Hypoglycemic and need to eat proteins with any sugars, even fruits, that I have while my blood sugar is stabilizing.

thank you!

This is my favourite subject. Here we go:

Best food sources of protein are Algaes, the ultimate sunshine food
* Spirulina blue green algae
* Chlorella green algae (use a good quality brand of this first and foremost...it WILL stabilise blood sugar levels).
* AFA/E3 live blue green algae

The second best food sources of proteins are seaweeds, the next best sunshine foods
* Arame
* Kelp
* Dulse
* Wakame
* Nori

The third best food sources of proteins are sprouts, the next best sunshine foods
* Cerial grass like wheatgrass, ryegrass, barleygrass etc (1 gram of highly digestable high quality protein per 30 ml...DO IT!!!)
* Pea shoot greens (mind blowing protein levels)
* Sunflower greens (the most balanced protein of all the land foods on earth...DO IT!!!!)
* Buckwheat greens
* Lentil sprouts
* Mung bean sprouts
* Aduki bean sprouts
* Alfalfa sprouts
* Sesame seed sprouts
* Sunflower seed sprouts
* various nut sprouts
* Millet sprouts (bird seed sprouts)
* Amaranth sprouts
* Quinoa sprouts

Weeds, but even better...weed sprouts



lf you eat from those foods you will soon have no problems. l used to have blood sugar problems but l fixed it quickly.

Start with chlorella because the world renowned Hippocrates Health lnstitute use it with all their patients, especially the patients with blood sugar disorders. The high easily digestable protein helps stabilize the blood sugar levels of THEM ALL!!! Also have sea weeds and sprout juices, and eat sprouted legumes and seeds. Easy.

Good to see you back here.

[Non]

hm.. I wouldn't put any of those on a scale of better or worse.

But if anythnig I would say the grains and legumes are def. not as good because of the high starch.

As for seaweed: it's probably healthful but when it comes to protein, they just aren't as concentrated as nuts/seeds. same with algaes, they have some faults like Jubb mentions.

But greens, specifically of the sprouts are really good too.

[MysticTree]

raw, shelled hemp is nice. Google it for more info.
I buy from YAOH. You can small packs or larger tubs. It tastes nutty and I add it to all sorts of dishes.

[michigan roman]

ide made hemp or pumpkin seed mylk

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

But if anythnig I would say the grains and legumes are def. not as good because of the high starch.
lt really depends. Some grains and legumes don't convert the starch to carbs very well, but others convert from starch to carbs extremely well and actually resemble fruit in structure.


As for seaweed: it's probably healthful but when it comes to protein, they just aren't as concentrated as nuts/seeds. same with algaes,
That is simply not true. Where have you been reading that from? Many internet sources and that silly conometer thingee are often off and very basic at best.

Some nuts are 18% protein, some go up to 25% if mixed with other nuts.
Algae is generally over 50%...sometimes going up to over 65% with a good NPU value and is very very concentrated in minerals, that's why only small amounts are needed. The foods highest in sunlight are the highest in amino acids and are the most nutritious, hence algae is the winner.
Seaweeds are very high protein also and very very concentrated in minerals, hence comes as the second winner in nutrition.


The list l put up isn't made up, it is scientifically valid.




they have some faults like Jubb mentions.
Yes they do have faults, but l reckon it's best to concentrate on fixing the immediate problems first and foremost. When a person gets well with super powerful foods, then l think we can start getting more purist and cutting certain foods down. We need to do things one step at a time, so start off withj many foods and then cut them down as the body gets stronger. Don't you think?


But greens, specifically of the sprouts are really good too.
Sprouts are much higher in amino acids than many green vegies. About 4 times higher in general from memory.

Have a listen to this...this is important to this subject. Dr Brian Clement cleans up on the protein subject!..straight from proper science.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=224_McXDN70&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL76E2A587B52CF384

[Non]

ok. I believe you. I was more referring to seaweeds. Not many people eat seaweed in vast quantity enough for it to be good for protein though. They mayhave some rare amino acids but yea like I said not many people eat seaweeds. Unless it's in a special recipe.. but by itself... bleh. Plus they're very salty.

As for my comment on "algae's having defects" I was referring more to spirulina. FYI on Spirulina http://www.rawfoodsupport.com/read.php?2,130548

[RighteousYogini]

Thanks for these helpful responses. Thanks especially, Mr. Raw, for the warm welcome back. I guess the follow-up question is:

1. Where do you purchase these items that I have zero familiarity with?
2. In what form do you eat them? powder? plant? pure? Think "total newbie" when responding.
3. How can they be consumed without gag reflex? Think, used to eating salted nuts and pretzels. If I get turned off immediately, it'll be a real struggle to make consumption a regular habit.


Thanks again!!

[qwerty988]

I usually toss in a big handful of fresh sprouts and a tablespoon of spirulina powder into my daily green smoothies.

I also usually add sprouts to my salads, sprinkle them on soups and use them in nori rolls or lettuce wraps. I order the spirulina online or get it at the health food store and I grow my own sprouts at home -- they're super easy.

I get seaweed dried at the health food store or my local Asian market. I eat it a few different ways: I use dried dulse flakes as a seasoning, it comes in a shaker like salt. I also use re-hydrated wakame in cucumber-seaweed salads and in miso soup. I buy the nori sheets and have nori rolls several times a week, you just fill up the nori with veggies of your choice. I usually use avocado, cukes, sprouts, grated carrots, lettuce and make a wasabi dipping sauce.... YUM!

I also use a lot of collard greens and kale -- these are high in protein too. I always put one or the other of these in my green smoothies. I also make massaged kale salad amost days and I also add kale to most other salads.

Another nice high-protein food is chia seeds! Google them for more information. I have creamy chia pudding most mornings for breakfast (it's sort of like tapioca pudding -- YUM!).


[QUOTE=MysticTree;677616]raw, shelled hemp is nice. Google it for more info.
I buy from YAOH. You can small packs or larger tubs. It tastes nutty and I add it to all sorts of dishes.

I'm going to look into hemp, this sounds gooood!

[michigan roman]

hemp and pumpkin seeds are over 30% protein . maybe theres multiple opinions on amount of protein in pumpkin seeds from nutritionist
i dont know , but up to date studies present hemp as like 33% protein . i also think that 20% is near as good amount of protein making lesser
proteined nuts / seeds still very good protein sources

clementes no where near figuring it all out , he just has beliefs / opinions he staunchly stands for

like stated about gag reflex in seaweed = gagging says to me my taste buds which are sensors for my cells
informing me what the cells need are saying NO GOOD . where as raw hemp and pumpkin seeds taste delicious to me .
my opinions seaweeds are a great mineral source but not a big percentage of diet item , not for me anyway as the sea
taste is just to foreign for me

i'll stick to my outlook of raw dark greens + nuts / seeds as the foundation of a human diet

chia seed is another respected seed protein

[Non]

baby greens/microgreens/green sprouts are the best greens IMO.

[MysticTree]

I'm with you Michigan Roman.

[Non]

actually.. algaes are better for protein than the seaweeds. They are way more concentrated.

[Non]

actually.. algaes are better for protein than the seaweeds. They are way more concentrated.

I agree, that seaweeds and algae are really good sources of protein. I just look at it from the viewpoint of what's more "natural" I guess. If one has to make it more palatable by for example spicing it up, or whatever than maybe it's just an acquired taste.. which means that a more primitive human being probably would have skipped the seaweeds (not all the time) for something easier like greens, and nuts/seeds.

but since we are evolved human beings, sprouting, soaking, harvesting seaweeds, etc. are all very useful and can make things easier for us and in the process also give us access to higher concentrated sources of nutrients maybe even for complement or medicinal value. But for sure the basics are what Michigan Roman stated: greens, nuts and seeds.

More highly evolved sources of proteins: sprouts, baby greens, soaked/sprouted nuts/seeds, seaweeds, and microalgae.

And don't get me wrong I love seaweed and microalgae, they're just not easy to take in, or are expensive. Ever since reading about spirulina and wheatgrass' dark side I've been using it less, and chlorella, AFA etc. is very expensive. I'll still have it here and there but the basics for me are the greens and nuts/seeds. Now that I'm getting into sprouting though I'm really making use of the microgreens like alfalfa, clover, fenugreek, radish, broccoli, etc.


Now baby kale greens, I'd really love to try these.

[michigan roman]

at www.willhiteseed.com , it may be seeds not seed , they sell very large packages of red russian kale which is a flat leaf / oak leaf looking kale for very cheap . i broadcast these in beds during growing season for quick / excellent baby greens i cut off at soil with scissors .

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

hemp and pumpkin seeds are over 30% protein . maybe theres multiple opinions on amount of protein in pumpkin seeds from nutritionist
i dont know , but up to date studies present hemp as like 33% protein . i also think that 20% is near as good amount of protein making lesser
proteined nuts / seeds still very good protein sources
Yes, but the drawback with many of the high protein foods that you mention are that they are very acid forming and will draw certain minerals like calcium from the bones. lt is hard enough for vegans to get enough calcium, so why make it worse? A diet needs to be balanced so consuming alkaline proteins would be much more sensible than consuming highly acid protein foods, that's why sprouted foods are the best way for consuming proteins along with some algae.


clementes no where near figuring it all out , he just has beliefs / opinions he staunchly stands for
He has got some good science to back up what he is saying, + he has about 25 years of clinical research experience to back up his claims that an aglae and sprout diet are full of strength giving alkaline protein and has scientific backing from one of the best bio-scientists in the world...the highly renowed Dr Valerie Hunt from UCLA. Brian's recommendations certainly makes more sense than recommending Hemp and Pumpkin seeds for protein, why? because a diet must be properly balanced.


like stated about gag reflex in seaweed = gagging says to me my taste buds which are sensors for my cells
informing me what the cells need are saying NO GOOD . where as raw hemp and pumpkin seeds taste delicious to me .
my opinions seaweeds are a great mineral source but not a big percentage of diet item , not for me anyway as the sea
taste is just to foreign for me
We are all different. For myself the seaweeds are some of the best tasting foods.



chia seed is another respected seed protein
Yes, but it is best to sprout it so the fats are converted to fatty acids and the protein is converted to amino acids. lt is hard to extract the omega 3 from chia, but sprouting it makes it 36 times more available.

Diet must be sustain able in the long term, that's why we should be consuming sprout based proteins mainly. Pumkin and hemp can be eaten, but it must be done more sparingly and certainly not relied upon as a major source of everyday protein. A diet is best to have foods that are easily absorbable and that have highly assimilated nutrients with minimal barriers.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

baby greens/microgreens/green sprouts are the best greens IMO.
of course they are, no comparison. Alkaline proteins [in the form of amino acids] are always the most sustainable for long term health because they contribute towards a balanced diet. Consuming hemp makes it very difficult to balance a diet because fat levels acidic protein starts getting high, so a bad idea. Common sense is always the best way.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Thanks for these helpful responses. Thanks especially, Mr. Raw, for the warm welcome back. I guess the follow-up question is:

1. Where do you purchase these items that I have zero familiarity with?
l'll answer this later.


2. In what form do you eat them? powder? plant? pure? Think "total newbie" when responding.
Eat the sprouts and take the chlorella in tablet form.


3. How can they be consumed without gag reflex? Think, used to eating salted nuts and pretzels. If I get turned off immediately, it'll be a real struggle to make consumption a regular habit.
Thanks again!!
O.k, the best way is to start slow. Start by groing your own alfalfa sprouts because this changes the taste buds very quickly towards eating more hardcore raw foods. Eat a big bowl of alfalfa sprouts before a meal each night. After a months or two, try eating a big bowl of mung bean sprouts as well. A month later try eating sprouted sesame seeds as a major meal along with alfalfa sprouts and see how full you start feeling. Try it, it should make it easy to start.

Remember: it is like when we are kids who don't like eating green vegetables....we must train our taste buds to accept these foods. No short cuts and trying to make things taste nice by eating high fat, high salt foods with lots of sugar...we must train ourselves to eat better over time. One of the best ways to train our taste buds is to start eating freshly grown alfalfa sprouts. lf you start eating raw sprouts everyday and build up the amount that you eat, before long you will be able to eat kelp and all types of strong foods and drink all types of powerful sprout juices.

Also try getting into grass juices at the start (grow it yourself) and drink it down every day. Drink it but try not to taste it until you adapt.

Also, get the chlorella from here. lt is the worlds top brand and has been repackaged by HHI and made 2.5 cheaper than normal. Perfect value.
http://secure.hippocratesinst.org/admin/details/19/14/supplements/lifegive-supplements/chlorella-1500-tabs


So at the start do: grass juice, alfalfa sprouts and chlorella. After a short while do sprouted sesame seeds and mung beans. As you feel comfortable you can start cutting out the junk in your diet and add more of the good stuff like weed juices and kelp. lt's not hard to do if you do it gradually, but you must want to make the positive changes.

[michigan roman]

"straight from earth raw hemp and pumpkin seeds draw calcium from the bones / should be ate in moderation / are acid forming and bad" , i dont know who you follow mr raw but i couldnt care less what they say . sounds like a bunch of salesman selling algee / sea weed

totally unnatural to humans algee slime growing on rocks in water and that tastes terrible to vast majority is not what i perceive as optimum human feed

i'll wolf down hemp and pumpkin seed by the gallon with dark raw greens before algee / sea weed any day and laugh at ' scientist ' that say its bad

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

"straight from earth raw hemp and pumpkin seeds draw calcium from the bones / should be ate in moderation / are acid forming and bad" , i dont know who you follow mr raw but i couldnt care less what they say . sounds like a bunch of salesman selling algee / sea weed
Many vegans would agree with you, they prefer 80-10-10 *wink* . lt doesn't matter about nutrition or facts, vegans can eat whatever they like, right?




i'll wolf down hemp and pumpkin seed by the gallon with dark raw greens before algee / sea weed any day and laugh at ' scientist ' that say its bad
Most vegans think that way too, l think it's quite cute. *cheeky wink*

Anyway, i'm not here to convince you of anything Michigan Roman, l know you have your way of eating and your particular ideas. l'm in this thread to try and help RighteousYogini first and foremost. All the best Mr Roman, lets just agree to disagree hey!

l love you all....such cute thinkers haha....always put a smile on my dial. *wink*

[MysticTree]

I would love to see this science you are always banging on about Mr Raw. You keep promising to show us but you never do; you just tell us that it exists. Where is all this scientific data that backs up your point of view?

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

I would love to see this science you are always banging on about Mr Raw. You keep promising to show us but you never do; you just tell us that it exists. Where is all this scientific data that backs up your point of view?
Which scientific data do you want? Be specific about what facts you want data for.

[MysticTree]

Which scientific data do you want? Be specific about what facts you want data for.

Every time I ask you for the data/study papers for the "science" you are using to back the claim/s you make in whichever thread it is at the time of asking I am being specific. You have often said you'll go away and find the data that backs you up but as yet I haven't seen anything that is scientifically proven. You never provide the science, you only ever provide a link to someone who says the science backs it and that isn't proof.

I am happy to examine the data if it exists. So far no-one has shown it to me. Now that doesn't mean that what you are saying isn't correct but it does mean that you shouldn't say that science backs it up when you are unable to provide that scientific proof for people to read.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Now that doesn't mean that what you are saying isn't correct but it does mean that you shouldn't say that science backs it up when you are unable to provide that scientific proof for people to read.
Do you know how many months l have been waiting for links and info from Dr Brian??? Do you think l can just email and these people respond to me straight away? Getting all this research stuff is going to take many years because they are busy people. l am lucky they respond to me at all.

Alright, l will tell you the truth. Dr Brian and Dr Hunt are big frauds who lie through their teeth and make up the science because they are clueless. They can't prove anything they say because they are only trying to con people out of their money. They say their research is scientifally founded because they want people to think they know more than they really do. Truth be told...Dr Brian and Dr Hunt are as dumb as it gets. The stuff l say about sprouts is all made up too (my imagination is really good see), in fact l read a book that says they are bad for you and that humans should be fruitarians instead.

This is the last post that l will bother responding to you on this forum, so it would be best that you talk to somebody else here instead.

[MysticTree]

Do you know how many months l have been waiting for links and info from Dr Brian??? Do you think l can just email and these people respond to me straight away? Getting all this research stuff is going to take many years because they are busy people. l am lucky they respond to me at all. If the data exists from these people then sharing it with you or anyone else that asks would be in the best interests of raw foodists, the researchers, the sad eaters and just about anyone out there that eats food (everyone). So why isn't it available?


Alright, l will tell you the truth. Dr Brian and Dr Hunt are big frauds who lie through their teeth and make up the science because they are clueless. They can't prove anything they say because they are only trying to con people out of their money. They say their research is scientifally founded because they want people to think they know more than they really do. Truth be told...Dr Brian and Dr Hunt are as dumb as it gets. The stuff l say about sprouts is all made up too (my imagination is really good see), in fact l read a book that says they are bad for you and that humans should be fruitarians instead.
If the data exists then make it public. Everyone benefits.


This is the last post that l will bother responding to you on this forum, so it would be best that you talk to somebody else here instead.

I talk to everyone on here. It seems a little childish to refuse to talk to me because I ask you for the scientific data that you rely on in your arguments. Your imagination isn't good. You repeat what is said by those you perceive to know about these things. However I can live without being addressed directly by you!

The best thing you could do for your point of view is provide the scientific evidence that you say exists. By the sound of it, you haven't even read it because you say that you can't get the people involved to send it to you. Again I have to ask . . . Why is this data such a secret when millions would benefit from its publication?

[Non]

"straight from earth raw hemp and pumpkin seeds draw calcium from the bones / should be ate in moderation / are acid forming and bad" , i dont know who you follow mr raw but i couldnt care less what they say . sounds like a bunch of salesman selling algee / sea weed

totally unnatural to humans algee slime growing on rocks in water and that tastes terrible to vast majority is not what i perceive as optimum human feed

i'll wolf down hemp and pumpkin seed by the gallon with dark raw greens before algee / sea weed any day and laugh at ' scientist ' that say its bad

I'll support Mr Raw here.

I bet he's talking about how high fat diets can lead to an acid state of the body, which by default leaches calcium from the bones. That's high in fat though, what counts as high fat? It's really up to the individual's constitution. So, these are concentrated fat sources and perhaps should not be eaten in excess. Even Gabriel Cousens' says that. But Gabriel Cousens' is more of a higher fat guy vs Brian Clement as long as the fats are sprouted and/or predigested (fermented also). The pumpkin seeds and hemp seeds or any nut/seed, if unsprouted/unsoaked are further acidic. Sprouting/soaking them makes them alkaline fatty sources. There has been research on this. The protein in the sprouts would be broken down into more easily digestible, free of the uric acid forming type. Not sure if Brian Clement has done research on how soaking seeds and nuts changes the acid forming state,making them further digestible and optimal foods but like I said before GC and BC are different in that one is higher in fat the other in carbs. BC seems to emphasize more of the legume sprouts and grain sprouts than GC as I've seen.

Spiritual Nutrition by Gabriel Cousens cites all this and more. But yea, also how long one sprouts nuts/seeds might also be smtg to look at. I know that even just soaking overnight and then rehydrating them to a point that is not too dry makes them much less acidic.

And he believes in fat more of course barring one's constitutional makeup because he wants to acheive an effect that is similar to the Zone diet, which is slightly higher in protein and not "in excess" of carbs, of any sort though emphasizing on lower glycemic sources, and a diet rich in omega 3s taking care of one's omega fatty acid ratio.

Though as for the protein bit.. he seems to emphasize more fats than proteins as he believes high protein diets especially in the raw form would be counterproductive.

AS to the word "high fat"... I guess it can also be relative to the amount of carbs, or total calories since he advocates calorie restriction (like HHI) but also in that acheive the "Zone" effect allows one to thrive on a calorie restricted diet, at the same time allowing higher fatty acid to carb to protein ratio because the body will start to metabolise fats quicker and more efficiently.

[michigan roman]

none of these gurus have got anywhere near impressimng me yet , clemente / cousens / wolf / etc . people've been trusting in earths scientific studies for decades here in america and time after time the know it all scientist have been proven wrong . growing up american scientist told me ' wonder bread ' was great for health and i wolfed it down daily . guarantee you search around youll find credentialed scientist that disagree with clemente / cousens / etc . i quit listening long ago , only things im concerned about are getting the said by many important minerals and vitamins : calcium - iron - vita A , Bs - C - E , protein in raw form where the plants are still holding the star light they absorbed unaltered / destroyed by heat . im not going to complicate it much beyond that . humans picked greens , fruits , vegis - gathered seeds and nuts forever , im not going to complicate it much beyond that and turn eating into a complicated matter . i see the algee / sea weed as potent concentrated vitamin / mineral suppliments to be used in small amounts , good suppliments because rain washes all earths soils into the sea beds making the plants growing in them fed by the richest soils of earth . im fine with several tbsp per week of sea foods as my vitamin pills , but im not fine with people complicating eating by saying hemp and pumpkin seed straight from the earth are problematic , NO WAY ! i wont hear a word of that and shall wolf down raw seeds 24/7 . RAW SEEDS AND RAW DARK GREENS ARE THE FOUNDATION OF PROPER HUMAN DIET

[MysticTree]

but im not fine with people complicating eating

Hear hear. Eating is a simple matter complicated by some who seek to gain by its complication.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

none of these gurus have got anywhere near impressimng me yet , clemente / cousens / wolf / etc . people've been trusting in earths scientific studies for decades here in america and time after time the know it all scientist have been proven wrong .
So who are the gurus who are on the right track in your opinion?


guarantee you search around youll find credentialed scientist that disagree with clemente / cousens / etc .
Can you give me some names of people who are supposed to be in the know? l have searched for 15 years and haven't found many worth the time of day.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

only things im concerned about are getting the said by many important minerals and vitamins im not going to complicate it much beyond that
What about the enzymes and phytonutrients that scientists are now saying are much more important than vitamins and minerals, don't you think they are important too?


but im not fine with people complicating eating by saying hemp and pumpkin seed straight from the earth are problematic , NO WAY ! i wont hear a word of that and shall wolf down raw seeds 24/7 . RAW SEEDS AND RAW DARK GREENS ARE THE FOUNDATION OF PROPER HUMAN DIET
l like the way you talk man, it's cute! No worries, we all have our different ways.

But yes, pleasae let me know what gurus you respect in the raw vegan world, i'm itching to know.

[rawmiss]

Chia seeds are 16% protein and work well with the blood sugar. They are also very high (rivaling flax seeds) in Omega 3s.
http://www.whole-body-detox-diet.com/chia-seeds.html
"Chia seeds were an important part of the Aztec and Mayan diets, known for providing energy to warriors and fleet-footed messengers. They were used as a basic survival ration with the ability to sustain a hard working warrior or runner for 24 hours with just one handful. The name ‘chia’ comes from the Mayan word for ‘strong’.

According to Dr. Andrew Weil, chia seeds are even more rich in omega-3 fatty acids than flax seeds. They are also so rich in antioxidants that the seeds naturally preserve themselves and can be stored for long periods without becoming rancid. Unlike flax seeds, they do not have to be ground to make their nutrients available to the body. Chia seeds are high in calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, manganese, copper, iron, molybdenum, niacin, and zinc. The Columbian variety is said to be more nutritious than the Mexican variety.1


Chia seeds have a nutty flavor that is very versatile. They can be added ground or whole to cereals, salads, granola or baked goods. But the truly unique feature of chia seeds is their ability to swell in liquid and turn into a clear gelatin. To make a natural Jell-O, cover the seeds with water and let sit for 30 minutes. Check out our chia pudding recipe for a tapioca-like treat. It's great combined with a sweetener, lemon or other natural flavors. In Mexico they make “chia fresca” by mixing the chia seeds with water, lemon juice and sugar. You can substitute stevia, agave or maple syrup. Try mixing with grated apples and nut milk. These gelatin deserts will last in the refrigerator for several days.2

This mucilaginous property has also been shown to take place in the stomach when chia seeds are eaten whole or ground. For diabetics or others want to control blood sugar levels, this gel action slows the process of breaking down carbohydrates and converting them to sugar, thus slowing sugar absorption."

[Non]

The problem is you people keep thinking "sprouting is not natural, etc". What's very unnatural is overemphasizing "naturalness" by keeping it overly simplified to a point that it limits a person.

Sprouting is natural. We humans are very good farmers and cultivators of plant foods. We can also see what's good and what isn't for us. It gives us incentive to live in societies in communities, to live self sustainably. We aren't monkeys anymore. Ours bodies have changed just as the foods we can accommodate have changed. There's nothing wrong with sprouting, soaking, drying, etc. These practices have been since the ancient days very much by our ancient ancestors.

[MysticTree]

The problem is you people keep thinking "sprouting is not natural, etc". What's very unnatural is overemphasizing "naturalness" by keeping it overly simplified to a point that it limits a person.

Sprouting is natural. We humans are very good farmers and cultivators of plant foods. We can also see what's good and what isn't for us. It gives us incentive to live in societies in communities, to live self sustainably. We aren't monkeys anymore. Ours bodies have changed just as the foods we can accommodate have changed. There's nothing wrong with sprouting, soaking, drying, etc. These practices have been since the ancient days very much by our ancient ancestors.

I don't think anyone is actually knocking sprouting. I eat sprouted foods very happily.

[michigan roman]

some how birds / squirrels / rodents / etc survive very stoutfully on seeds / nuts without sprouting them ,
but their going to be acid forming and calcium depleting for humans to eat in same manner ??????
why arent the birds dying , lol

i'll go with nature and pick my greens and gather my seeds

[Non]

well simply because our stomach cannot digest them very well in their unsprouted forms. Like I said we aren't monkeys anymore. Maybe in our ancient past we were able to, but that food simply were not a regular part of our diet fo some reason and therefore we aren't geared to handle these antinutrients very well. And who says the animals who regularly feed off them are all that well off? Maybe they just get by on it, they're animals and they eat what they can and adapt to what they can. So they have bodies that are able to handle it but perhaps they just get by. Birds actually prefer sprouted seed..

Fruits might be a more natural food for us. That doesn't mean we can't eat other things if it might help us. In fact in our case it might very well help us so that we don't necessarily have to stuff our faces just to get the appropriate amount of nutrients, so we can get them from other sources if htey are more concentrated, and it might also help us evolve.

For example ... a new theory states that it's not meat that made humans get bigger brains, but our need to live in a society, or environmental changes, or a newly found concentrated source of glucose from specific edible raw tubers. Even if it was meat, it's basically a food or condition that helped us along the path and helped us further evolve... not just stay on the same path.

But whatever. If you can eat nuts/seeds unsprouted than that's fine. Maybe your condition is different from others. Most people can't do that, or are more sensitive.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

The problem is you people keep thinking "sprouting is not natural, etc". What's very unnatural is overemphasizing "naturalness" by keeping it overly simplified to a point that it limits a person.

Sprouting is natural. We humans are very good farmers and cultivators of plant foods. We can also see what's good and what isn't for us. It gives us incentive to live in societies in communities, to live self sustainably. We aren't monkeys anymore. Ours bodies have changed just as the foods we can accommodate have changed. There's nothing wrong with sprouting, soaking, drying, etc. These practices have been since the ancient days very much by our ancient ancestors.

Yeah Non, sprouting is not natural and it's far too complicated haha. *wink* Sometimes you just have to know when to give up on people. Some will get it and some won't get it, so what! We could waste time arguing until the cows come home how good sprouting is, but it's better to focus on the people who are naturally drawn to the information we put out, not the people who want to argue for the sake of it.

Everyone has there own ways and that's fine, l just want to concentrate on helping the people who want to get started with sprouting, l don't want to focus on people who will never see the greatness of such sprouting brilliance.

l choose to have a joke with the nay sayers because it's best not to take it too seriously with some people. Best to focus the effort on people who are really looking and open and prepared to do great things (home planting) to get the optimal start for a new amazing life. lf you work out how to harvest the freshest most nutritious foods, the rewards will be there. lf you want to make excuses, cut down on time spent and buy mainly from the shops, the rewrds won't be there so much.

Regards Non: MR Raw.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

some how birds / squirrels / rodents / etc survive very stoutfully on seeds / nuts without sprouting them ,
From what l can gather, birds in natural environments actually collect the seeds inside them and have them sprouts for a day or two before the seeds get digested. l don't know how it works for other animals, but l can probably assume that animals handle foods differently to human beings. Maybe animals absorb more or less of certain nutrients from foods so they are effected differently.

l think it would be a mistake to simplify the situation by assuming that because animals don't have sprouting trays, so neither should humans. Many raw food health guru's like to over-simplify things like that too, but that when we start getting folks saying that our hands were developed to pick fruit from trees so we should live on fruit...it is then that we start oversimpliying the issues that we start running into troubles. We want to try looking at a more complete picture...fortunately there is alot more information about sprouting to give us a more complete picture, and that picture is indeed very favourable.




i'll go with nature and pick my greens and gather my seeds
Fair enough, different strokes for different folks.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

i'll go with nature and pick my greens and gather my seeds
Michigan Roman:

who are the raw food gurus you appreciate?

[MysticTree]

birds don't sprout seeds after eating. Very many birds eat greens (leaves and flowers). If there are sprouted seeds beneath a bird table for example then some birds will eat these.

There are many websites devoted to getting bird owners/feeders to feed sprouted seeds but birds don't do it themselves.

[MysticTree]

l just want to concentrate on helping the people who want to get started with sprouting, l don't want to focus on people who will never see the greatness of such sprouting brilliance.

Most people won't go to the lengths you go to with sprouting but many of us here sprout seeds regularly. Just because I don't use sprouts as my main food source doesn't mean I don't like or use sprouts in my diet. I grow much of my food - and I have been growing and enjoying sprouted foods for over 35 years.

[michigan roman]

give it 5 years and the next outlook shall be important substances were being washed off some seeds in the sprouting proccess

some seeds , such as hard coated dry beans , are great sprouted . and sprouts are a great food

but theres all kinds of seeds and nuts that to me should just be aten straight from the earth , and are zero harmful when doing so .
and in no way draw calcium out of bones or cause unhealthy acid , thats total babble by some lost scientist of earth . people hear
scientist or study and automatically whatever any scientist / study says is fact , when in reality theres all kinds of lost scientist that one must
be on guard for . and theres all kinds of punks with big money selling health products that pay which ever scientist or lab that sees
whatever theyre selling as healthy to do a study . if i had 20 million i could pick and choose some people with science degrees that
were performing the type tests that made my product seem healthy , while at same time there could be scientist elsewhere performing
test that found negatives about my product but arent getting paid to put alot of work into the matter so get no respect from public

so like i said i'll stick to straight raw from earth like the birds / squirrels / mustangs / deer whom are 1000 times harder and healthier than humans
who are playing around with their foods

[MysticTree]

I heard or read something relevant this past couple of days - whoever it was said "the great thing about science is that there are no absolute truths.

I expect if one looks at diet in a quantum way then all things are good, bad and neutral (and any other condition that is observable!).

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Most people won't go to the lengths you go to with sprouting but many of us here sprout seeds regularly. Just because I don't use sprouts as my main food source doesn't mean I don't like or use sprouts in my diet. I grow much of my food - and I have been growing and enjoying sprouted foods for over 35 years.

l should apologise to you for not being as pleasant as l should be, l am not pleased with the way l have performed in this thread, my tolerance has been less than ideal. My manners have slipped and l have given myself a slap on the wrists tonight about it. l love my fellow man, but as a human being l have my challenges like everyone else here. l treated you less than you deserve and l am sorry for that. You are special, l am special...we all are special and we should treat each other well. l was meant to come across you here Ms Tree because you often drive me crazy and consequently challenge me into becoming a better more tolerant person. Your vibe is very unusal, but embrace it l will and learn to love it with all my heart. l have now picked myself off the dirt and given myself a good dusting down.

Be well my brothers and sisters. l may not always treat you as well as l should be, but l love you all...we are all on a journey and finding our way.

With love: Mr Raw.

[MysticTree]

l should apologise to you for not being as pleasant as l should be, l am not pleased with the way l have performed in this thread, my tolerance has been less than ideal. My manners have slipped and l have given myself a slap on the wrists tonight about it. l love my fellow man, but as a human being l have my challenges like everyone else here. l treated you less than you deserve and l am sorry for that. You are special, l am special...we all are special and we should treat each other well. l was meant to come across you here Ms Tree because you often drive me crazy and consequently challenge me into becoming a better more tolerant person. Your vibe is very unusal, but embrace it l will and learn to love it with all my heart. l have now picked myself off the dirt and given myself a good dusting down.

Be well my brothers and sisters. l may not always treat you as well as l should be, but l love you all...we are all on a journey and finding our way.

With love: Mr Raw.

Hello Mr Raw,

You have seemed very different in this thread and I was about to conclude that either you had sprouted and eaten something with ergot on it or that perhaps someone else was posting as you.

I'm happy we can go back to discussing things again.

At this point I'd normally put a smilie in but the new ones have a demonic element to them so please imagine your favourite smiling smilie.

Georgina
(Miss btw!!!)

[snoops]

Hear hear to the demonic smiles. Could we please have some nice ones back Aleesha?

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

Hello Mr Raw,
You have seemed very different in this thread

l have spent many months exposing the dark side of our authorities and aweful future police society that they have planned for us all under the New World Order, and the dark forces weren't happy with me. The dark spirits tried playing tricks on me. l can't say anymore about it here, some people here will know what l am talking about. But yes, it actually wasn't me making those posts, it was other entities speaking through me. Now l am back and lots of meditation needs to be done to keep me pure.

Regards: Mr Raw (a being of pure light).