High fat success

[Bsisco]

Anyone have great success on a very high fat raw diet long term?

Ex: primary foods are raw soaked nuts and avocados.

Thanks.


Ben

[MysticTree]

I think it helps to have a varied diet but I do eat a lot of avo and salad dressings made from raw olive oil - not so many nuts though. 4 months isn't exactly long term though but I feel fantastic.

[Dimond]

No, it's not necessary or healthy to eat high fats long-term.

[MysticTree]

I don't think raw fats are as unhealthy as many seem to think.
Not all fats have negative health impacts. Any diet that is drawing purely from those high fat foods isn't a good idea mostly because of what one misses from not eating the low fat foods rather than because of eating the high fat foods.

I can't think why anyone would want to eat nuts and avos as their primary food intake. It would get dull imo.

[Bsisco]

Thanks for the input.

Anyone else?

[Dent de Lion]

Not that I know personally, but that's what Gabriel Cousens advocates and he seems healthy. It didn't work for me or anyone I know.

Also, can you be more specific about how you define "high fat"? Percentage of calories, etc? How many avocados and/or nuts/seeds?

[Non]

hm, Gabriel Cousens is moderate fat not high fat. Max is 40 % of calories but his recipes in the books are gourmet, are not meant to be eaten at every meal or all the time if at all.

[Non]

oh yes, and if you're looking for a high fat diet there was someone who was here some years ago takling about a "northern" diet, which is a ketogenic raw diet, basically consisting of counting net carbs, staying under 20 net carbs every 4 hrs, and eating as much fat as necessary. It's very much possible if you just stick to the low carb high fiber veggies and greens, with nuts/seeds/oils on the side.

Gabriel Cousens diet is not the same as that. I mean technically I think you could do the ketogenic thing and still be under the Gabriel Cousens principles but that's not what his diet is about.

[Bsisco]

Not that I know personally, but that's what Gabriel Cousens advocates and he seems healthy. It didn't work for me or anyone I know.

Also, can you be more specific about how you define "high fat"? Percentage of calories, etc? How many avocados and/or nuts/seeds?


I would say at least 80% fat and the rest divided among carbs and protien.

So maybe a cup and a half of nuts per day (unsoaked volume - more if soaked).

[speltrong]

I had the opposite of success eating a high fat raw diet. I did it for 5 months, though to be honest the fat content of what I was eating started out lower and edged up over time. I was very successful in losing weight, but right around the 5 month mark I got really sick with a kidney stone and gall bladder issues. So in the end I opted to choose a low fat mostly raw diet with cooked rice supplementing it. That seems to be sitting a lot better with my digestive system.

[Non]

That's what I thought might happen to me in a while.

I was eating a diet of very high fat.. most probably, more than the 40% Gabriel Cousens recmmends. Mostly because it's hard to measure all the calories one eats in a day.

So I'm choosing now to eat as much veggies FIRST before I eat the nuts/seeds. Get as full as I can on the veggies first, then eat the nuts/seeds at the end. Not like I used to though, I would snack on nuts just to get full, and forget about the veggies.

I got a high uric acid lab done the other day so this made me want to change.

[Dent de Lion]

hm, Gabriel Cousens is moderate fat not high fat. Max is 40 % of calories but his recipes in the books are gourmet, are not meant to be eaten at every meal or all the time if at all.

I consider 40% to be high fat, but I suppose it's all relative.

[Dent de Lion]

I had the opposite of success eating a high fat raw diet. I did it for 5 months, though to be honest the fat content of what I was eating started out lower and edged up over time. I was very successful in losing weight, but right around the 5 month mark I got really sick with a kidney stone and gall bladder issues. So in the end I opted to choose a low fat mostly raw diet with cooked rice supplementing it. That seems to be sitting a lot better with my digestive system.

I tried a low fat mostly raw diet with just that non-raw supplement (not sure if we can discuss that on this forum) after high-fat raw didn't work for me anymore. But I'm 100% raw now and feel so much better! I replaced the non-raw starch with bananas.

[Raw Angel Mom]

In 2007, when i decided to do raw food again, i went nuts with gourmets and nuts. I ate plenty of nuts, avocados and cold press oil. I went underweight within 8-9 months. I lost so much weight but i also was sick many times with flue where i couldn't eat and i was nursing (e3live saved me). I also developed allergies in the fall which i never has before in my life. Going vegan helped me in many areas such more energies and resolving other issues but it also cost me in different area by doing too much nuts that i feel were the problem. So in a sense, no i didn't have success. Now, i am going with fresh fruits in the morning, an herb smoothie after lunch and salad in the evening. I am attempting to purge my system and it seems to work, i am also using herbs formula to help me. If i do nuts even a little bit, my allergies will kick in and my nose will plug in this time of the year.


Some people seem to do well with fat, i guess you will have to find out for yourself.


I learned to listen to my body, if i crave fat, i go for it if i don't, i stay away. On summer, i don't want fat and espceially this time of year except for avocado or coconut.

[michigan roman]

in my logic to make high fat work two things needed

- lot of dark raw greens for fiber plus vitamin / mineral

- and something i cant say to help sort of break down / disolve the fats so can be burned easier by cells . if this is a citrus acid like say from lemon or orange dont know

- past 6 years raw / high raw ive done alot of evoo / nuts / avacado and cant say its worked for me , i feel theres something missing and that its something to help break down the fats

[RawnieColeman]

40%? Pshh, I did 60-70% of total caloric intake for 4-6 month's on several occasions. The last stint I did this for roughly three months, all the while donating blood plasma. Before every screening they test your hermatacrit as well as blood pressure and several other tests that indicate healthy liver and kidney function (though they are not immediate). My blood pressure was consistently around 120/80 my pulse varied depending on how much caffeine I was drinking, but when I went caffeine free it was usually between 60-70 BPM. My hermatacrit was of course high average every time.

I was called into the doctors office at the plasma center on two occasions. This was to inform me that my liver was secreting enzymes that were indicitive of someone with Hepatitis. They explained I didn't actually have hepatitis, but my liver was acting as if it was. On both occasions my diet was preceded by large surge in donuts and other junk food. Even though my diet was already high in fat, nothing out of the ordinary occured in either my blood, liver or kidneys until I ate lots and lots of trans fats.

Fat is not unhealthy, and fat does NOT make you fat.

TRANS-FAT is unhealthy, and makes you fat, sick and causes heart disease.

Tran's fat's are a special class of saturated fats. What makes a fat saturated is extra hydrogen bonds. Fish has very few hydrogen bonds and is therefore unsaturated, meat has more and is therefore saturated. Trans-fats are basically like plastic, not only do they have the highest linking of hydrogen bonds of all the fats they are chemically designed to never bio-degrade. I used to think they were a recent phenomena, turns out they've been in mainstream American food since 1940's. Just another treat from good ole Uncle Sam circa WWII era.

Don't be scared of fat, or any other food, as long as it's nutrient dense, chemical free and 100% natural.

[speltrong]

Interesting about the doc mentioning kidney issues to you. I suffered from a kidney stone and infection and gall bladder problems. I hadn't related the kidney issues to the raw diet, but perhaps there is some kind of connection.

[sport]

I was 4 and a half years on moderate fat 100% raw before changing to low fat and would not change back under any circumstances. It makes a difference.

[Bsisco]

Raw Angel Mom,

How much nuts were you eating per day? Did you soak them?


Thanks.

[Non]

well we're talking about raw high fat diets RawnieColeman.

Usually a raw diet "high" in fats also means lower in sugar because sugars and fats usually don't mix well. It causes me to gain weight, with digestive issues and I even break out with pimples.

You still get carbs on the higher fat raw diets you just get them from low starch veggies, though some even do higher raw starch sources like grains, legumes, roots/tubers etc. Im doing the low starch thing.

[Dent de Lion]

40%? Pshh, I did 60-70% of total caloric intake for 4-6 month's on several occasions. The last stint I did this for roughly three months, all the while donating blood plasma. Before every screening they test your hermatacrit as well as blood pressure and several other tests that indicate healthy liver and kidney function (though they are not immediate). My blood pressure was consistently around 120/80 my pulse varied depending on how much caffeine I was drinking, but when I went caffeine free it was usually between 60-70 BPM. My hermatacrit was of course high average every time.

I was called into the doctors office at the plasma center on two occasions. This was to inform me that my liver was secreting enzymes that were indicitive of someone with Hepatitis. They explained I didn't actually have hepatitis, but my liver was acting as if it was. On both occasions my diet was preceded by large surge in donuts and other junk food. Even though my diet was already high in fat, nothing out of the ordinary occured in either my blood, liver or kidneys until I ate lots and lots of trans fats.

Fat is not unhealthy, and fat does NOT make you fat.

TRANS-FAT is unhealthy, and makes you fat, sick and causes heart disease.

Tran's fat's are a special class of saturated fats. What makes a fat saturated is extra hydrogen bonds. Fish has very few hydrogen bonds and is therefore unsaturated, meat has more and is therefore saturated. Trans-fats are basically like plastic, not only do they have the highest linking of hydrogen bonds of all the fats they are chemically designed to never bio-degrade. I used to think they were a recent phenomena, turns out they've been in mainstream American food since 1940's. Just another treat from good ole Uncle Sam circa WWII era.

Don't be scared of fat, or any other food, as long as it's nutrient dense, chemical free and 100% natural.

I'm absolutely not scared of fat. I eat healthy raw fat all the time, it's just not the biggest portion of my diet. If someone feels better eating less dietary fat, then that's how they should eat. If you've found something else that works for you, great.

[harrisperson]

I think it helps to have a varied diet but I do eat a lot of avo and salad dressings made from raw olive oil - not so many nuts though. 4 months isn't exactly long term though but I feel fantastic.

[EscapeArtist]

I can't say anything for long term, but for me just the last few days eating high fat (1 young coconut, 7tb chia seeds, 2 avocados, 1/3 cup almonds +greens) I feel waaay better than I did on a moderate fat moderate fruit raw diet, and a 0 overt fat high fruit raw diet, but I think that's because I have trouble with fruit (I'm guessing I have blood sugar issues) so IMO high fat is beneficial if fruit is a problem and you need to transition off of it but still need calories... Not so sure long term. What does Dave the raw food trucker do? He doesn't eat fruit either, would that mean he's high fat? hmmm

[MysticTree]

fats are also very useful in balancing mood. Those with depression suffer more if on a low fat diet apparently.

[EscapeArtist]

fats are also very useful in balancing mood. Those with depression suffer more if on a low fat diet apparently.

That is really good to hear and makes complete sense, I suffer from depression. When I was on a high fruit, high green, 0 overt fats phase, I felt more and more miserable, and I crumbled one day (actually after you advised me to eat more overt fats!) on a whole coconut and cooked chickpeas and felt like superman the next day. Even fats+cooked I felt better than lowlowfat raw... It really does depend on the individual, and the same diet does not work for everybody.

[adobegirl]

I would guess it depends on your body. I tend to do better when I do eat nuts and oils than I do when I stick to only fruits and veggies. I still get plenty of both though so I'm not sure of the percentage. I just kind of eat what sounds good right then and it tends to work for me. There have been days I eat a couple large handfuls of nuts as well as an avocado and feel great. And blood work has shown that my levels are good. I'm not sure that a lack of variety would be good for any body.

[Non]

Fats are good for rebuilding the membrane. Hempseeds are especially good for this.

Fats also must always be balanced in their omega 3s and 6s.

[DebB]

Speaking from my own experience with higher fat raw vegan, I slowly but steadily would gain weight. I've now switched to very low fat and the weight is finally coming off (after about 4 years on eating all the fat I wanted, raw vegan). So, I'm sticking with the low fat for now. *Ü*

[Non]

It depends on how you do it. A person could moderate carb intake and lose weight on a higher fat raw diet.

I have only broken out when I had more fruits. I have only gained weight when I had more fruit and carbs. I haven't done the low fat thing. You can lose weight if you do a high carb low fat raw vegan diet, but it has to be low fat. With the fats, you can't do high fat and carbs together, unless you want to gain weight.

[Amberly]

When I ate high fat raw I was fat and had no energy. I cut the fat and had a craving for running and am about 20 pounds lighter. I have energy now!

[Dent de Lion]

I can't say anything for long term, but for me just the last few days eating high fat (1 young coconut, 7tb chia seeds, 2 avocados, 1/3 cup almonds +greens) I feel waaay better than I did on a moderate fat moderate fruit raw diet, and a 0 overt fat high fruit raw diet, but I think that's because I have trouble with fruit (I'm guessing I have blood sugar issues) so IMO high fat is beneficial if fruit is a problem and you need to transition off of it but still need calories... Not so sure long term. What does Dave the raw food trucker do? He doesn't eat fruit either, would that mean he's high fat? hmmm

How much were you eating when you were on a "0 overt fat fruit raw diet"? (In terms of calories or just what an average day's menu was for you.)

[Non]

Yea I believe a higher carb raw diet works it just requires less fats.

I do remember there was a time where after I fasted I ate fruits and I had no bloating if I ate a lot, etc. This is probably because I had already digested all the fats I had in my system.

The only problem is I would assume is that on a high carb diet you need to be exercising a lot, have higher calorie count. Though I'm not sure such a low fat count is really healthy.

And anyways, you can call the Rainbow Greens Diet a "high fat" diet just because it can have just 5% more fat (on the low end) than a "LFRV" diet but it does seem to be more balanced and allowing a more varied intake of foods than a Natural Hygeine diet. Really it's not "high" fat if you want to see it that way, it's just relative. 15% fat calories to 40% fat calories. I'd say that's still low to moderate fat intake, with a focus on lower or more moderate glycemic fruits and veggies. Which isn't all that bad because it may even be better for those who's constitutions were more geared towards a more "paleo" diet because of their ancestral history of having meat and less carbs from high glycemic sources, ie more proteins/fats, and less carbs and/or sweet fruits.

Some people's constitutions are more geared towards a lower carb lifestyle. Some people's body just aren't ready for such a high amount of carbs. It might take a transition. I see a transition to a higher carb diet using the Rainbow Greens diet through all 3 phase as perfect. Though in the end the goal is to have optimize insulin and glucagon utilization.