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RawnieColeman
09-02-2011, 04:36 AM
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ORGANIC SUBTLETIES

Jacob’s Cove was once “Certified Organic”. After becoming more aware we actually strive to distance ourselves from any association with the label except to advocate against its disingenuousness. Although Jacob’s Cove would qualify for organic certification we choose to label our food local natural and not organic for the following reasons:

Politicized
The term “Organic” is a legal term. As such a company or individual cannot use the term in their business unless the business has been duly “Certified Organic.” Its underpinnings are deeply political. For this and a variety of other important reasons, the “Organic Label” may represent something very different from what you suppose.

The standards that comprise the label are the consensus or least common denominator of the wide range of special interests involved in determining the standards. Obviously they are skewed more to those interests with the most political clout. It is little wonder that the organic label is compromised from the get go.

Who’s Selling Organic
The “Organic Label” has further enabled the global food production and distribution model. It is truly one of the most insidious if not the most insidious detractor of the Local Natural Food movement. The reason is that it engenders consumer trust for a product carrying the label without the consumer knowing the producer nor from where or under what circumstances the product was produced.

Unfortunately, due to the consolidation of agribusiness, the vast majority of food production comes from corporate farms. Corporations by nature have a built-in extortion factor where every last bit of value or perceived value must be captured. Vitality and nutrition and to a lesser degree sustainability are easily sacrificed.

In the corporate environment short-term urgencies driven by the bottom line many times skew the long view. The tendency is to minimize costs by doing the least possible to get the label with little interest in doing that which will provide the maximum nutrition and vitality of the produce.

Proliferation of Organic Chemicals
The growing opportunity for sales into the organic market has not been lost on the chemical companies. There is a tidal wave of new “certified organic” products approved for use under the Organic Label. An organic chemical is possibly less destructive to our bodies than a hard chemical. But make no mistake, these “Organic” products do not enhance the soil and ambiance, neither do they harmonize with nature. As designed they inflict death and disrupt natural processes and balance.

The Organic Label has little to do with food vitality and nutrition. The Organic Label focuses in on insuring an input is organic with literally no thought as to its effect on food vitality. Agricultural practices which merely switch from traditional chemicals to ones with organic labels qualify as “Certified Organic”. But degradation to the vitality of the produce resulting from an organic chemical may equal and in some cases exceed that of a traditional one. Same game, new name.

Inferior varieties that ship and store well are grown and harvested before maturity to accommodate the global production and distribution model. Organic chemicals minimize microbial activity to prevent food that will not be consumed for days and even weeks later from natural degradation. All of this can be “compliant” and Certified Organic.

Other Issues with the Label
The Organic Label does not reflect the nuances of the labor force and the conditions under which it was produced. The Organic Label does not reflect the carbon footprint and ramifications of transporting produce thousands of miles.

The Solution: Know your Farmer
The only genuine basis of trust is to “know your farmer”. There is not shortcut. It is what it is. It is disingenuous to think otherwise. It is burying your head in the sand. To think otherwise is like what you may say when you find yourself with a hot dog for lunch, “I am just going to eat it. I don’t want to know what’s in it!”

There is only one way to know the truth about your food. It is simply to know the producer. The only way you can logistically know the producer is if the producer is local.

At Our Farm
At Jacob’s Cove, all of our efforts are focusing on what is the most we can do to produce highly nutritious food full of life and vitality. Our philosophy is completely at odds with the organic label. It is like oil and water. The solution in our view is Local Natural. It is “Know your Farmer”. It is no hard chemicals. It is careful analysis before using any “certified organic” chemical or substance as to what effect it will have on our bio-diversity. We encourage you to take caution with the organic label and take your stand for the local natural movement.

MysticTree
09-02-2011, 04:39 AM
I can see what they are saying. What are you saying?

RawnieColeman
09-02-2011, 04:45 AM
Interesting stuff, you know me, I always root for the underdogs. When in doubt go the local route.

I wish I could afford to go ahead and chip in for a 13 week package. But I just dropped some serious cash on new apartment, and with wedding coming up I may have to postpone for a couple months. Sad too, because I don't feel completely comfortable doing high or all raw on the stuff posing as veggies at my local super market.

Maybe I'm crazy but it seems like cooking food is better than raw when the stuff is possibly covered in chemicals you know, at least you can boil most of it off. I know I didn't feel so hot after eating a big green salad, but that could easily just be the Monsanto juice.

MysticTree
09-02-2011, 06:21 AM
I eat non-organic salads often and I feel fine. I buy organic where I can but it is not the bulk of my food.

The best way to ensure chemical-free foods is to grow it yourself. At least that way you can know it is free from the chemicals that are allowed in organic farming.

Revvell
09-02-2011, 06:52 AM
.... you know me, ....

Uh, no, I don't. Don't know 'bout anyone else but, only know what you post.

MysticTree
09-02-2011, 07:00 AM
Interesting stuff, you know me, I always root for the underdogs. When in doubt go the local route.



Thing is that I don't get that from reading what you quoted really. You could have said it a lot more succinctly in your own words and it would have been more readable too because it wouldn't be in italics.

As to paying for a wedding. Weddings needn't be expensive and they are not, on the whole, as long-lasting as health issues. When I got married the whole thing cost £120.00 (1996). The divorce was 300.00 (2004).

T-Bird
09-02-2011, 11:16 AM
I know that in many ways - being certified organic is a "racket", although I found the quoted text annoying and self-aggrandizing.

The REAL issue with organic certification is that it became something consumers wanted, and which could command a very high premium. Now big agriculture wants in to profit....while working to lower the standards needed to obtain certification....

Organic certification can at least convey a lot of information to an uneducated consumer. "Local" gives no information whatsoever on how the crops were raised, and knowing your farmer means nothing if you don't know what questions to ask.

Organic certification is expensive, prohibitively so for smaller farms. I'm fine with a place saying they follow organic principles, but that certification is too expensive. I don't really see the need to disparage other produce with the organic label.

"we actually strive to distance ourselves from any association with the label".....oh get over yourself!

And then: "Although Jacob’s Cove would qualify for organic certification"

Really? so how are you "distancing" yourself?

MysticTree
09-02-2011, 11:50 AM
I know that in many ways - being certified organic is a "racket", although I found the quoted text annoying and self-aggrandizing.

The REAL issue with organic certification is that it became something consumers wanted, and which could command a very high premium. Now big agriculture wants in to profit....while working to lower the standards needed to obtain certification....

Organic certification can at least convey a lot of information to an uneducated consumer. "Local" gives no information whatsoever on how the crops were raised, and knowing your farmer means nothing if you don't know what questions to ask.

Organic certification is expensive, prohibitively so for smaller farms. I'm fine with a place saying they follow organic principles, but that certification is too expensive. I don't really see the need to disparage other produce with the organic label.

"we actually strive to distance ourselves from any association with the label".....oh get over yourself!

And then: "Although Jacob’s Cove would qualify for organic certification"

Really? so how are you "distancing" yourself?

hear hear to everything you said.

RawnieColeman
09-03-2011, 03:08 AM
The best way to ensure chemical-free foods is to grow it yourself. At least that way you can know it is free from the chemicals that are allowed in organic farming. Hundred percent agree, but like most people that's not feasible atm. Once I get settled into the new place I'm gonna use every square inch I can to grow my own stuff. This magazine I subscribe too talks about 'urban gardening' using stacks of bottles to grow balcony gardens and such.

So the guy talks his farm up, every company on earth does the same thing. He sling's a little mud at big corporate stores because they are well established, and more convenient and have a leg up on his local operation in just about every respect. Except for the fact that he runs a much cleaner operation. How can you burn him for that? His website, and his whole operation are a heck of a lot more transparent about business practices than any big chain supermarket I know of.

Quick summation of my point of view? Not everything man made is toxic, not everything 'organic' is safe to eat. The word and the standard it represents, is not a guarantee for healthy and harmless. Lead and cadmium are organic, I sure don't want them in my food any more than synthesized neuro-toxins.

MysticTree
09-03-2011, 03:19 AM
This magazine I subscribe too talks about 'urban gardening' using stacks of bottles to grow balcony gardens and such.

stacks of car tyres make good growing pots - stuff the insides with scrunched up newspaper.



So the guy talks his farm up, every company on earth does the same thing. He sling's a little mud at big corporate stores because they are well established, and more convenient and have a leg up on his local operation in just about every respect. Except for the fact that he runs a much cleaner operation. How can you burn him for that?

Everyone with something to sell puts spin on things. The same goes for those selling purity as those selling lesser goods. It's still spin and it still makes me feel like I am being sold a bill of goods!



not everything 'organic' is safe to eat.

It amazes me that we still have to let people know this. It is patently obvious to anyone with half a brain; I suppose there are more people with less than half a brain in the world than I wish there were!

RawnieColeman
09-03-2011, 03:37 AM
There's a sucker born every minute, they should make that our nation's motto. What's more amazing is that people think this a new state of affairs, and people 'back then' were honest fair folk.

Also, I may have used the word operation one too many times in this thread.


Everyone with something to sell puts spin on things. The same goes for those selling purity as those selling lesser goods. It's still spin and it still makes me feel like I am being sold a bill of goods!You know what they say in marketing 101: sell the sizzle not the steak. You don't need a good product when you gotta shiny box that's stocked on every street corner.

T-Bird
09-03-2011, 03:32 PM
I got sold a real bill of goods with the CSA I went with 3 summers ago. All kinds of great info and philosophy, etc. But when it came to delivering some nice veg - one excuse after another. And the deliveries - about 1/2 the food looked like it was put into the boxes after not selling at the farmers market the previous weekend. As a CSA share-buying in before the season, it should be the best and frreshest with the rest going to the market, but I'm sure it was much more profitable to do it the other way round. She already had our money it wasn't like we could choose to spend less with her next week.

Which is why I'm growing as much food as I can myself now...investigating bio-intensive approaches to maximize output. Hoping to be supplying a majority of our food within 3 years, once I get the growing soil top notch.