Reconsidering going raw because of the listed concerns..

[kevin1986]

1. A lot of fruit = higher blood sugars. Im not a veggie guy,so fruit would be majority.
2. TEETH - I have enough problems with my teeth being sensitive,hurting,tmj. I have read many posts in last couple hours on here and other sites about SPECIALLY tooth decay,too much fruit for acid,and etc and etc etc.
3. Sleep - Change in sleep habits is cause for concern with a job
4. Do I know what the hell im doing? If I did this raw diet,well with my part-time income..I could afford fruit,veggies,juicing,nuts,seeds,and thats it.

Logical concerns?

[Raw Angel Mom]

If you are from the State, you will save money with health care.

As for teeth. Don't use tooth past ever but soap, brush in the morning and night only. Flus twice in the morning and night or during the day. Never brush your teeth after a meal. If you want to heal your teeth sensitivity. Us raw coconut oil and swirl it.

Fruits are amazing and healing. I used to have fear about them because i bought into others believe about being loaded with sugar. I do well with fruits and consume them in the morning and up to lunch. They have the property as mer dr. Morse to rejuvenate your nerve system and to unclog your lymph fluid. One one that couldn't walk due to MS did after 7 month on dr. Morse program with his fruits and herbs.

Sleep disorder can be cause to many things but going on raw food, you will have far more energy and need to sleep less at night.

No, you don't what you are doing neither then most of us when we started this journey BUT YOUR body knows. You will need to tune in to your body and let him decide what it wants.

To be on the safe side, monitor your B12. Kumbucha, chlorella, nutritional yeast, bee pollen (make sure you have no allergies) and raw mushroom contain the B12 that your body will utilize. If in doubt supplement with the methylcobolamin B12.

Educate yourself but most of all if you have any fear about lack of protein, let me tell you that you should fear the most to have a body acidic. Protein is an amino acid and is found in all plant food. You need 8 essential amino acid. I recommend to buy RawSome by Brigitt Mars very inexpensive book and rich of knowledge about nutrient etc.. A simple apple or a simple tomato contain all the amino acid.

Make sure to eat as much color and variety of fruits. If you have concern with your weight, ensure to eat seed and nuts (must be soaked). Consider to add green smoothie (leafy greens or herbs blend with fruits) so delicious and it heals your body in so many ways.

Take the plunge and see for yourself.

I have no price for my health, the universe provide always, trust. Logic has its place but you can miss great opportunity if you don't trust your instinct.

All is well.

[MysticTree]

You must do what you feel is best but methinks you are listening to Monkey Mind and looking for reasons not to follow a raw lifestyle.

[sport]

I keep a glass of water in my kitchen with a little baking soda in it and after I have finished eating (I eat fruit and greens only) I rinse with this and then with some plain water. This reduces the acidity in my mouth.

[climbing]

You seem to be contemplating this big, epic choice to go raw. Why not just eat as much raw as possible and if you feel you need something else, do that? Ease into it slowly so there aren't worries. Take the time to build new habits. (this is what I'm doing and it works better for me than trying to leap right into being 100% raw).

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

methinks you are listening to Monkey Mind

l love that funny comment. Monkey mind, LOL, it's made my day.

[Revvell]

1. A lot of fruit = higher blood sugars. Inaccurate


2. TEETH - I have enough problems with my teeth being sensitive,hurting,tmj. I have read many posts in last couple hours on here and other sites about SPECIALLY tooth decay,too much fruit for acid,and etc and etc etc.
"Maybe" because people think eating raw they don't have to care for their teeth, or, in some cases on this forum, they brush too often and wear off the enamel.




3. Sleep - Change in sleep habits is cause for concern with a job

You're assuming there will be changes. How about if you sleep better? Is that your concern?


4. Do I know what the hell im doing? If I did this raw diet,well with my part-time income..I could afford fruit,veggies,juicing,nuts,seeds,and thats it.

You're concerned about finances and you want to juice? THAT, I would reconsider


Logical concerns?

I don't think so. I'd have more concern about eating cooked and destroying enzymes and nutrients thereby not getting enough. I'd be more concerned about my teeth rotting from not chewing anything harder than cooked, dead produce; I'd be more concerned about having to take vitamins and other nutrients because I wasn't getting enough from all the dead food I'm eating.

Have you had any cavities thus far in your life?
Do you ever have a night of less than optimal sleep in your life?
Do you really think eating fruit is less optimal than adding processed sugar to whatever it is you do eat?

Finally, you life, your choice. Now you know about it, you can do it any time you choose ~ or not.

[MysticTree]

l love that funny comment. Monkey mind, LOL, it's made my day.

Take a look through some Buddhist Literature and you'll find it quite often. I first came across it years ago when reading books by Natalie Goldberg.

[climbing]

You're concerned about finances and you want to juice? THAT, I would reconsider

When it comes to juicing, juice stuff you would throw out anyway. A long time ago someone on this forum suggested juicing the stalks of kale, collards, etc. They are too tough for me to chew or grind up in green smoothies. But they make excellent juice. I add a little carrot or pineapple in for flavor (carrots are cheap, I use a ton of them per week and they really give your skin a glow).

There is no need to buy a ton of special or expensive stuff to juice.

[Tea]

I like what Climbing said. Just add more raw.

When I was high raw I suffered from oxalate issues and teeth problems. But as for sleep, that was much better and my energy was through the roof. I felt all around great!

My question to you is do you feel 100% good right now on your current diet? If not, then why not raw?

[climbing]

When I was high raw I suffered from oxalate issues and teeth problems. But as for sleep, that was much better and my energy was through the roof. I felt all around great!

Did they go away when you went 100%? Or did you...?

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

when I was high raw I suffered from oxalate issues and teeth problems.
Yes, green leafy vegetables are notorious for oxalates, that's why green juices often strip the bones and teeth of valuable minerals. Other dangerous foods are some grains and seeds. Experts have even told me that cooking doesn't even remove all the oxalates. The only true way to avoid oxalates is to avoid green leafy vegetables and sprout foods instead. lf you feel the need to use dark green leafy vegetables it is best to use them very sparingly...this is one of the many problems with vegetables and unsprouted seeds/grains. As l have always said, vegetables are nothing but a heap of trouble (full of unsuitable fiber, full of natural toxins that can't be removed and hard to store after harvesting), l really don't understand why folks are using them for mainstream nutrition, it makes my head spin.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

1. A lot of fruit = higher blood sugars. Im not a veggie guy,so fruit would be majority.
Raw food is a journey, don't limit yourself, stay open minded. Learn to love other foods outside of fruit.


2. TEETH - I have enough problems with my teeth being sensitive,hurting,tmj. I have read many posts in last couple hours on here and other sites about SPECIALLY tooth decay,too much fruit for acid,and etc and etc etc.
Don't write the raw diet off because of those things. Find solutions because raw is a very good thing if done properly.


3. Sleep - Change in sleep habits is cause for concern with a job
lt will never cause a problem when you eat raw. .


4. Do I know what the hell im doing? If I did this raw diet,well with my part-time income..I could afford fruit,veggies,juicing,nuts,seeds,and thats it.

Eat simple and live cheap. May seem impossible at first but it can be done if you really want it.

[Tea]

Yes, green leafy vegetables are notorious for oxalates, that's why green juices often strip the bones and teeth of valuable minerals. Other dangerous foods are some grains and seeds. Experts have even told me that cooking doesn't even remove all the oxalates. The only true way to avoid oxalates is to avoid green leafy vegetables and sprout foods instead. lf you feel the need to use dark green leafy vegetables it is best to use them very sparingly...this is one of the many problems with vegetables and unsprouted seeds/grains. As l have always said, vegetables are nothing but a heap of trouble (full of unsuitable fiber, full of natural toxins that can't be removed and hard to store after harvesting), l really don't understand why folks are using them for mainstream nutrition, it makes my head spin.

I have the oxalate cookbook and some foods are actually higher in oxalates when they are cooked versus raw. But a high raw food diet includes many very high oxalate foods such as greens (spinach, chard), almonds, sesame seeds, hemp seeds, chia, berries, etc. Not that these are unhealthy foods, but they can cause problems for oxalate sensitive people which my daughter and I just happened to be, especially my daughter. She was very sickly on high raw.
What do you eat Mr. Raw, if not vegetables?

[climbing]

Yes, green leafy vegetables are notorious for oxalates, that's why green juices often strip the bones and teeth of valuable minerals. Other dangerous foods are some grains and seeds. Experts have even told me that cooking doesn't even remove all the oxalates. The only true way to avoid oxalates is to avoid green leafy vegetables and sprout foods instead. lf you feel the need to use dark green leafy vegetables it is best to use them very sparingly...this is one of the many problems with vegetables and unsprouted seeds/grains. As l have always said, vegetables are nothing but a heap of trouble (full of unsuitable fiber, full of natural toxins that can't be removed and hard to store after harvesting), l really don't understand why folks are using them for mainstream nutrition, it makes my head spin.

sigh...see posts like this frustrate me. Just when you think you're doing something right, someone comes along and tells you that your diet is completely toxic. This seems to happen regardless of the diet. I've heard people say that sprouts are toxic and bad too...

[MysticTree]

just eat a good variety of raw foods and you'll be fine.

[MysticTree]

Yes, green leafy vegetables are notorious for oxalates, that's why green juices often strip the bones and teeth of valuable minerals. Other dangerous foods are some grains and seeds. Experts have even told me that cooking doesn't even remove all the oxalates. The only true way to avoid oxalates is to avoid green leafy vegetables and sprout foods instead. lf you feel the need to use dark green leafy vegetables it is best to use them very sparingly...this is one of the many problems with vegetables and unsprouted seeds/grains. As l have always said, vegetables are nothing but a heap of trouble (full of unsuitable fiber, full of natural toxins that can't be removed and hard to store after harvesting), l really don't understand why folks are using them for mainstream nutrition, it makes my head spin. Very many vegetables are perfectly suited to storing (carrots, beets, turnips etc) and sprouts are just immature leafy vegetables and plants. Sprouted foods are wonderful; I certainly don't disagree but I think you are quite muddled when you talk about vegetables in terms of good and bad.

[climbing]

I refuse to believe that greens are an unhealthy food. I think if I learned that it would truly break my brain in two. *frazzled face*

[MysticTree]

I refuse to believe that greens are an unhealthy food. I think if I learned that it would truly break my brain in two. *frazzled face*

Greens are fine. Don't panic, just enjoy them :)

[Revvell]

I refuse to believe that greens are an unhealthy food. I think if I learned that it would truly break my brain in two. *frazzled face*

Good on ya! Get Victoria Boutenko's book on greens.

[Revvell]

sigh...see posts like this frustrate me. Just when you think you're doing something right, someone comes along and tells you that your diet is completely toxic. This seems to happen regardless of the diet. I've heard people say that sprouts are toxic and bad too...

People say a lot of things. This is just one person among many ~ who don't happen to agree with him entirely.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

sigh...see posts like this frustrate me. Just when you think you're doing something right, someone comes along and tells you that your diet is completely toxic.
No need to stress about it. Now you know about it and were meant to read this post, so now you can take action and start doing things even better.


I've heard people say that sprouts are toxic and bad too...
l've read many of the reports on how sprouts are bad and full of toxins, and none of the studies hold much water. Many of the conclusions were based on faulty studies or a misunderstanding of the growing nature of sprouts. Believe me...when l find bad info in regards to sprouted foods l always check it out properly, but each time l have found the testing wasn't done correctly, eg the alfalfa study. Sproutman adresses many of the rubbish arguments against sprouted foods in his book too. When l read on the internet how sprouts are toxic l just roll my eyes now.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

What do you eat Mr. Raw, if not vegetables?
Sprouts mainly, sea vegetables, algae, grass, + some fruit.


Very many vegetables are perfectly suited to storing (carrots, beets, turnips etc) and sprouts are just immature leafy vegetables and plants. Sprouted foods are wonderful; I certainly don't disagree but I think you are quite muddled when you talk about vegetables in terms of good and bad.
lf you are travelling or don't have much time for a meal then by by all means use vegetables as the main meal, but l wouldn't be making a habit of it. They are best used as a secondary food.


sprouts are just immature leafy vegetables and plants
Just?....just??? The "immature" part of it is why they are so powerful, they still have the extra power stored inside to release to grow into full size plants. Full sized plants don't have that stored up power, but the immature plants still do.


Greens are fine.
How can you be so sure. What about the people who have oxalate problems from consuming green juices? The problems are well known.


I refuse to believe that greens are an unhealthy food. I think if I learned that it would truly break my brain in two. *frazzled face*
They are an o.k food, but they have many short comings, and they generally won't give the nutrition and power needed in modern day cities, not to mention about the toxins they have. l am not alone in saying this, some of the worlds greatest raw food experts are saying exactly the same thing. l am NOT saying this because they are, l have been saying this for over 15 years. l will never be convinced that vegies should be a regular food in the diet because all the study l have done points to the opposite.

l am currently writing a website all about this stuff.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

One of the world's top experts Dr Brian explains why vegetables should mainly be viewed as a transitional food before we eventually grow up and get into real foods, ie, the strong foods with all the proper top nutrition levels and the power. He also says to eat sprouts (immature greens, yes, they are the key because the immature plants have all the power) whenever possible and to only eat vegies if you really have too. Other times he has said that vegies are just a secondary food. He has had over 100,000 people under his care so he knows what foods work the best. You won't find anyone more knowlegable about this type of stuff than Dr Brian.

Watch from 41:46 - 42:47:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FXeGp5-YrKQ

Vegies are o.k, but it's best to move on from those foods as soon as possible and move on to real foods...sprouts are the stuff that is going to take care of human bodies in 21st century conditions.

[MysticTree]

One of the world's top experts

and that really sums it up. The key words here being "one of". Other experts say other things. You've chosen your expert, I understand that, but that doesn't mean that the information is 100% good or that it suits 100% of people.

Food doesn't need so much mystery around it. It's just food.

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

and that really sums it up. The key words here being "one of". Other experts say other things. You've chosen your expert, I understand that, but that doesn't mean that the information is 100% good or that it suits 100% of people.

Food doesn't need so much mystery around it. It's just food.

How many experts have institutes that have studied thousands of people using raw foods? Not many. How many institutes have been going for 55 years? One! How many institutes are backed by scientific research to fully back up what they do? Only one.

Lots of people talk the talk, but there are only a hand full of true health experts (maybe three in the world) who have the practical clinical experience to back up what they are saying. Clement, Kulvinskas and maybe Coisens.


Who you think the other experts are. l won't make any comment, l am just curious who you think knows what they are talking about.


and that really sums it up. The key words here being "one of".
Truth be told, l think Dr Brian is probably the worlds greatest expert on raw foods and health (no-one l am aware of comes close) , but maybe there is someone unknown who is even better. l try not giving definites about who is the best because that is risky.

[MysticTree]

data is not available from HHI. It seems from what I have read that they have had a great number through their doors but actual studies ... I have yet to see any data or anything laying out what those studies are.

Incidentally, even if what B Clement says is 100% true, I would not want to eat that way. I want to feel good but not at the expense of all I would lose by not eating the things he would say I should avoid. I don't want to live forever. I just want to potter through my days without too much food angst.

[Aleesha Sattva]

Yes, green leafy vegetables are notorious for oxalates, that's why green juices often strip the bones and teeth of valuable minerals. Other dangerous foods are some grains and seeds. Experts have even told me that cooking doesn't even remove all the oxalates. The only true way to avoid oxalates is to avoid green leafy vegetables and sprout foods instead. lf you feel the need to use dark green leafy vegetables it is best to use them very sparingly...this is one of the many problems with vegetables and unsprouted seeds/grains. As l have always said, vegetables are nothing but a heap of trouble (full of unsuitable fiber, full of natural toxins that can't be removed and hard to store after harvesting), l really don't understand why folks are using them for mainstream nutrition, it makes my head spin.


sigh...see posts like this frustrate me. Just when you think you're doing something right, someone comes along and tells you that your diet is completely toxic. This seems to happen regardless of the diet. I've heard people say that sprouts are toxic and bad too...

I agree completely. Let's all remember here that ANYTHING can be said about anything but the reality is... a raw vegan diet is so much healthier than a cooked SAD diet...

AND... remember this is Alissa's forum and it follows her philosophy which includes a healthy balance of all things raw!

in light,
Aleesha
Admin

[The Sproutarian (Mr Raw)]

I agree completely. Let's all remember here that ANYTHING can be said about anything but the reality is... a raw vegan diet is so much healthier than a cooked SAD diet...

AND... remember this is Alissa's forum and it follows her philosophy which includes a healthy balance of all things raw!

in light,
Aleesha
Admin

l seem to be more of a pest than a good source of information here so it's probably time l signed off and stayed away. l was hoping my efforts and information would have been appreciated, but it is not happening that way.

l love what Alissa is doing to make raw foods easy and fun to eat, and l know she respects and quotes some of the same guru's that l always have, but my teachings in raw is sooo much different to hers.

l wish everyone all the best. l'll try and stay away this time.

Regards: Mr Raw.

[maggiesdaddy]

Mr. Raw,

You have added a lot to the discussion . I don't think that anyone want's you to stay away. I think that Aleesha's point is not that you are wrong, but that this website follows Alissa's philosophy and that many people here hold her in high regards.

You thoughts and opinions are important. Without people to push us we would never change and would instead stay the same and just fester. A healthy debate is good, as long as everyone is willing to listen to reason. If you have read these studies then I would suggest posting links to them, but not pushing them. If people want to read them they will and if not they won't.

I for one am interested in what you have to say! I do not agree with all of it, but I am interested in the studies and I will form my opinion after I have read them. If you have links I would greatly appreciate them! I would look myself, but I am a college student and am currently taking 5 classes and don't really have time to look for research for anything other than my classes right now!




Anyway, to everyone, I think that a forum is a good place for a healthy debate (as long as it stays positive). And to anyone reading this forum who doesn't regularly post remember to just take from ANY INFORMATION (EVER) what you want, but it is always good to have a well informed opinion and that means reading and discussing with people who you do AND don't agree with!

And remember, we are all on this jouney together so let's try to enjoy one another and all we have to offer! :throwhearts:

[climbing]

Don't leave Mr. Raw, I like your posts and am interesting in learning more about your sprouted diet.