View Full Version : Need to get ride of a stone in my gallblader
Raw Angel Mom
08-09-2011, 03:24 PM
I got my annual check with my doctor. My blood work are excellent but they found a 2 cm stone in my gallblader. Apparently, i have a chronic infection, they want to remove my gallblader. Well, i am not going this direction.
Anyone, could shine me some pointers on how to dissolve that? Would the liver flush work with doing green apple before the flush?
Just wondering. I will research more of course, but i want to know if this is possible.
08-09-2011, 03:31 PM
I have a friend who just went through the gallbladder scare and opted not to have his removed even though the doctors suggested it. He did quite a bit of research and has completely changed his diet to ensure that he does not have anymore gall bladder attacks (which was quite painful for him, two days in the hospital on morphine). He changed his diet to be very low fat, as an overload of fat in the system contributes to the onset of the attack. He also determined that the stones themselves (he has many of them) are harmless so long as you don't have an attack. That's just my second-hand info from what I remember him telling me.
Taurine, Glycine and Lecithin, taken at least once every day, consistently, will help make the bile more soluble, which, in turn, will help to soften some gallstones. However, you didn't mention if your gallstone is of the soft kind (e.g. may be comprised primarily of cholesterol) or if it's the hard, calcified type. If calcified, these are less easy to deal with but chanca piedra tincture is excellent (and simultaneously analgesic and liver protective), and lots of peppermint tea (several cups per day) can be helpful. For chanca piedra products, I know Whole World Botanicals' and Herb Pharm's 'Stone Breaker' are good.
Also, some people on Curezone speak enthusiastically about the so-called 'Pulverexx' protocol. It's a commercial protocol and I can't vouch for it personally but it's not outrageously expensive if you feel inclined to give it a try.
Personally, I wouldn't attempt to flush such a big stone, although I am aware that some people report success. I feel it would risk the stone lodging in the common bile duct (choledocholithiasis), but there's little point in reiterating my outlook on such risks, given that they were discussed in reasonable detail in the following old thread which I imagine you've already read:
Raw Angel Mom
08-10-2011, 12:56 PM
I don't know if this is cholesteral or not. I did dairy and egg from 2000 to 2007 and typical food before. I have been raw vegan for 4 years. My doctor said that i had that for years so, it could be from the dairy which would be cholesterol. On the other note, i try to find the cause and many doesn't apply to me at all. The only two that could fit, would be that i lost weight very fast on my first year of raw food and my pregnancy in 2005, beside this, there isn't any thing.
I bought a stone braker from the Health food store. It is called: Chanca Piedra. For what i read, the bile is used to digest the fat, so i will stay away from any source of fat for now. I will drink 4 glass of apple juice a day for 5 days to soften the stone and i might attempt to do the liver flush. That i do it or not, i need to get that stone soft. According to the result i had a chronic cholecystitis (infection of the gallbladder). I had not pain and didn't have any attack. For what i read, if i have an attack, i am supposed to drink apple cider vinegar.
I made a smoothie with peppermint today and i will research the other supplement (Taurine, glycine and lecithin).
Thank you for the information
08-10-2011, 01:03 PM
Taurine is animal derived if taken as a supplement. Lecithin can be got from soy origin but that obviously has the associations of soy!
How is it Raw Angel Mom that you have been raw vegan for 7 years when you ate eggs and dairy until 2007? Just curious. Ah I see you edited the number of years. that seems better :)
Hope you sort out your stone.
08-10-2011, 01:07 PM
or you can get synthetic taurine but that sounds pretty dreadful when you are trying to eat a natural diet. Taurine is made in our gut somewhere though so in theory you shouldn't need to supplement it.
Raw Angel Mom
08-10-2011, 03:33 PM
Thank you MysticTree. You answer to my question with the Taurine and Lecithin and i say no thanks, lol...
I wonder if they made a mistake about for me to have a chronic infection because i have no pain really, no pain BUT it cans be a life threatening situation so i will put my focus on that. I started a detox with doctor Morse. One of his herb formula is liver/gallblader from his detox kit, maybe it will help. I am doing more research but in the mid time, i will be religious about staying away from fat and to eat apple every day to keep that soft.
I wonder if having pimple from eating nuts was the reason from this stone on my gallblader. Maybe something was backing up from trying to digest this fat.
But the great news, my blood work was perfect. My doctor was shock and she was expecting many deficiency due to my diet but nop. The other good news is that my blood count is perfect. I had abnormal cel in my uterus in 2007.
Thank you for the help
Raw Angel Mom
08-10-2011, 03:46 PM
That is interesting. You haven't had any pain with that stone? No nausea and vomiting? I tried that "gallbladder" flush several times. It got results but I have no idea if these results I was passing was actually stones. After two year of agonizing gallbladder attacks, my life began to revolve around attempting to avoid the next attack. They lasted a minimum of 8 or 9 hours of being completely incapacitated. I also wondered during these attacks if my gallbladder was going to rupture. My problem was the insurance company would not approve survey. After a total of 3 years, I had an attack that didn't go away. Started on Friday. On Monday morning I walked into the emergency room, and ended with emergency surgery. Be careful.(((Quote)))
I saw your reply from the other place but they locked my post so i couldn't reply.
Anyway, here it is:
I am so shock too but maybe because i had a lot of apple cider vinegar as a vinaigrette and had some apples too. They soften the stone apparently. I am so sorry that you went through intense pain like this. It must has been horrible. I will be careful and thank you for the warning, i want to give a try to get that stuff out. Again, i am so sorry that you ended up in the emergency room. How long, it took you to recover?
Lecithin needn't come from soy, you can obtain it from sunflowers, too:
I would advise against excessively avoiding fats and oils.
The gallbladder actually requires consumption of fats/oils in order to stimulate bile flow, so the key is moderation of fat/oil consumption, not attempts at excluding them from the diet.
There are many approaches to dealing with gallstones that take the route of using acids of one kind or another. Some suggest malic acid (apples), other suggest citric acid (lemon juice) etc. (Norman Walker relates a story of lemon juice treatment in his book about fruit and vegetable juices. I'm not talking about the popular lemon and olive oil 'flush', I'm talking about the use of numerous doses of lemon juice in hot water over a period of several days). Mikhail Tombak is also a proponent of the use of lemon juice.
On a short-term basis, some even suggest use of orthophosphoric acid, but I feel this is too harsh for internal use unless one is in a biliary crisis, and even then I'd be reluctant. Also see Richard Schulze's hybrid approach which is a week-long cleanse using citric acid (orange/lemon) and garlic. Schulze also points to the use of lobelia tincture in biliary crisis, but this is hard to get hold of outside the USA and needs to be used with great caution since it acts upon the CNS.
Personally, I really rate Herb Pharm's 'Stone Breaker' product and peppermint tea (must be consumed in frequent small doses throughout the day, but with the caveat that if you have low mineral reserves in the body (e.g. if you have osteoporosis) then this may be unwise owing to the diuretic effect of consuming lots of cups of peppermint tea).
To be honest, the cornerstone for any contemporary natural treatment of gallstones is really chanca piedra (has very few drawbacks, other than a mild blood-sugar-lowering effect), along with, perhaps Jin Qian Cao (gold coin grass) and taurine, glycine and lecithin. Sure, you can refuse some of these on the basis of veganism or you can simply be pragmatic and choose your sources carefully.
As I mentioned in the following thread, some months ago, there are some informative clips on Youtube:
08-10-2011, 11:43 PM
Dont get your gallblader removed it is useful for your body. All doctors want to do is cut you open so dont let them. Check out my profile page, I did the liver cleanse which also flushed the gallblader. Works a treat and will get your stone out easy...
08-11-2011, 12:35 AM
Arky, thanks for the heads up about the sunflower lecithin.
Raw Angel Mom
08-12-2011, 05:10 AM
Kaleboy, i remembered about reading your post. Thank you. I didn't know at the time that doing apple juice before doing this was very important. I am considering to do that liver flush, for now, i am going banana with the apple juice and i will do the fire lemon juice (cayen, lemon juice and water, great for liver flush).
Aky, are you talking about sunflower seed or sunflower sprout. I will do the lemon juice and peppermint on top. As for consuming moderate fat, thank you for pointing this out, i will research it. Maybe i could stick with avocado and young coconut meat.
Seing this stone gone and dissolve now
As soon as I woke up, I felt 'cured'. It was an amazing feeling. I was back at work in 6 weeks. The first week was rough. I could have gone back to work by week 4, so I really enjoyed the last two weeks. I felt so much better though, I would thank God every time I thought about it.
I'm laughing so hard Kaleboy. Did you not read my post? It took them 3 freakin years to get around to taking mine out. Cutting is not all they want to do anymore. The insurance companies slow them way down. This is a case of doing what your body tells you. In your case, the flush has worked so far...maybe you changed your diet in time. In other cases, it must come out or you get very ill. As long as you are not in horrible pain, not sick every single time you eat, not jaundiced, you have time. They really waited too long in my case. I lived on Lortabs, flexril, and benedryl the entire last year. I am amazed I was able to come off those drugs once the gallbladder came out. This is not something to play with.
Raw Angel Mom
08-12-2011, 01:28 PM
It was a long recovery Myca, but i am so happy that you are doing better now. Yes, at time surgery is necessary but here they push for surgery. I can understand that in my case, they are concern but i must give a try to the natural way first and my gallbladder is staying with me.
Hugs and again, i am so happy that you are doing wonderful.
08-20-2011, 03:25 AM
I was getting gallbladder attacks, when i was eating a lot of meat and fatty foods. They were very painful. I also sweated heavily and was a fat bloated lazy person for a few years.
I ended up doing 3 galbladder cleanses within 6months, and evacuated A LOT of tiny stones the size of a corn kernels and 3 very large stones. After the first cleanse, it felt like I had a massive, empty hole in my right side of my abdomen.
I got to keep my gallbladder
08-21-2011, 09:14 AM
raw Angel Mom ...
Have you read this?
Raw Angel Mom
08-21-2011, 07:43 PM
Ok, i most likely will do the liver cleanse.
Thank you MysticTree, i will try to find this Chineese medecine in my health food store.
This is great informations what you post
08-21-2011, 08:36 PM
My daughter had bad attack (her first one) 13 years ago. The doctor told her she had to get the gallbladder out immediately. She listened to me instead and started taking peppermint oil and a product called "Stone Free" from Planetary Herbals available in Health Food stores. She had an ultrasound done last year that showed a small number of stones remaining of the huge number she had 12 years earlier. She continues to take her remedies and is fine. She'd be even better, if she ever changed from her SAD diet.
Raw Angel Mom
08-22-2011, 04:31 AM
Thank you so much Emma, this is what i needed to read.
I will stop worry and trust that all is well.
P.s I was watching dr. Morse youtube and he recommended to someone to get the bowel work, to clean the kidney and adrenal first. Event with raw food diet and before that diagnose, i was having constipation believe it or not. 100% plant base diet and constipation, this is totally insane. I have no clue how i will reach that goal and clean those kidney/adrenal but i have been doing fruits now in the morning and my bowel movement is working. I am considering to do a fruit mono diet to get my digestive system going.
08-24-2011, 03:47 AM
The liver flush is very powerful and healing. The key is to do the apple juice for at least 10 days prior to "the day" and the morning olive oil and lemon juice mix in warm / hot water. This softens the stones. Then on the day you take the epsom salts which literally relaxes every muscle. Then the massive hit of olive oil which causes the liver and gallbladder to spasm and literally dump the lot and keep dumping. I wasnt convinced even when I saw all these soft stones come out. But once I could see their shapes I knew they had come from ducts...i.e expelled from the liver. Some of them even had elbow bend shapes, also conical plug shapes. And I consider myself pretty healthy. You can see the links you'll need under my profile. Any questions on what to expect send me an email cheers.
Raw Angel Mom
08-24-2011, 05:52 PM
Thank you so much Kaleboy. I have been doing the apple juice but not consistent. So i will do that for 10 days with your olive oil and lemon juice. Why olive oil thought, because it makes the liver secret more bile? Wouldn't be risky for the stone to start to pass before the flush? I know lemon cleanse the liver, but the olive oil, i don't get it. If it works for you, i will give a try.
Anyway, will be waiting
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