I'm in pain, it's my 2nd day 100% raw

[honeybee joy]

Hello. I feel like I am dying here. I have been going back & forth from raw to cooked. My longest being raw was two days. I might of had a headache, but not the symptoms I have been having today. I have a really bad backache, neckache, brain fog, did not sleep good at all last nite (which normally when I go raw I sleep good that nite. I have a acidy, swirly stomach, I have sever malayse. My heart feels weird (pressure, probably heartburn or something) I slept 12 hours last nite & really felt like I needed much more. My muscles are sore. I have a disease called empty sella syndrome. What it is, is my pituitary gland does not signal the organs to produce hormones. I have hypothyroidism, low adreanal, growth hormone defeciancy (I am 4' 11"), insulin resistance, I also have IBS & acid reflux. I was hoping that the raw vegan diet could help out w/ these things. (I have been out of work for over two years because of this, & in bed most of the time. I am tired of that. I am guessing that it is just detox, but I am wondering why it is this bad this time. I hope I can sleep decent tonight. I have also been on anti-depressants, but want to get off of those, I think they make matters worse not better. When see my psyc I am going to tell him that I would like to slowly taper off of them & see if that along w/ the raw food diet will make it better. I have been slowly taking less of my evening anxiety med, hope to get off of the rest when I see him. Anyways, are these detox symptoms that others have had. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks :)

[honeybee joy]

I wanted to add that in August I fell flat on my back in a store. It was hurting real bad, I kept on hurting longer than normal, they did a x-ray & said that my muscles were probably healing slower because of my endocrine problems. a few days later everything seemed fine. Now it is starting to hurt again. Do you think that it is from my 2nd day detox?

[ReneeSC]

Honey, I just went through ( still AM, to some degree ) a monster detox. My first month was very hard on me, but I made it ( by the Grace of God, I say! ), because I was also insulin resistant - heading into insulin dependence, and a host of maladies, also ( some include different hormonal things ), detoxing certain trigger foods ( processed anything, breads, sugars, hot and cold.. ) - my body just roared!

When those clouds would part, and I could breath again, my goodness was it RELIEF.

There are _so_ many things your body can go through when it's excreting the toxins and uptaking the nutrtion that to say if any one symtom is or isn't related to detox is hard ( especially if on medication - because medications are affected by raw diets, I know this personally ), but I would suspect that everything you're feeling has a direct result of what you are and what you're not eating.

This is good. ( I know it doesn't feel good ). You can now feel the difference, although now the difference is leaving you feeling in the lurch.

I'm sorry to hear of your accident. I had one a few years ago that left me in so much pain and fear I wondered if I'd ever be normal again.
To tell you the honest truth - since I've changed my diet this drastically, I've NOT been on that medication at all. I'm mobile, I'm exercising, I'm NOT in constant pain, and I feel like I have a major portion of my life back again.

THERE IS HOPE FOR YOU!

Will everything clear up overnight? Wow, wouldn't that be cool if it did?? It could happen! Miracles happen all of the time! Might it take a bit longer - sure! You're an individual, so your progress is going to be individual. But, there is great hope for you no matter how long it takes.

C'mon in - and detox with us. We have LOTS of fellowship here.

[honeybee joy]

Well thank you so much for your message. It was so sweet. Well today was my third day & I was finally able to feel some of the effects of the raw food diet. I was still tired & fatigued, but I had this energy that was so wonderful. I could tell by that feeling that I will be better & I totally believe that raw is the way. I am totally pumped!! I did end up blowing it with a cooked meal tonight, I get cooked food cravings in the evening for some reason, but the cooked meal did not get me hooked. It was good, but not as good as raw. I was reading in a book that the way to get un-addicted from cooked food is to just eat raw, well they are right. Raw food can be so yummy. I actually felt love today, happyness, I just couldn't be angry or hold a grudge for anything (not that I do it alot, but I have been pretty sour the past two years because of my illness.) This just rocks, that is all I can say. Thank You ReneeSC for your message. It gave me trust & courage. I was having some doubts. :p

[sweetgoddess]

Hi honeybee and welcome to the site. Renee wrote you a fabulous post.

I am sorry to hear you are going through so much, but I feel like shouting "get excited!" A raw and living food diet WILL change how you are feeling, and in turn the quality of your life. Believe it. We are here to support you as you create your own healing experience.

Pamper yourself through the detox and change. Hot baths, enemas, lots of water, lots of fresh air and rest, moist heat on your head for pain/pressure, skin brushing etc will all help soothe the symptoms.

It will lead you to a whle new level of being! Yeah for you!

Warmly
~Carmel

[honeybee joy]

Hello sweetgoddess!

Oh yeah, I am excited, I guess i didn't get my thoughts out. Isn't it funny how you think you can be comunicating what you want to, then you read it & think, man I forgot about this, or think I didn't explain how great I feel. Yeah. I was feeling great today. I was on my third day raw. I have realized that green juice rocks!!! :o I really felt the positive results today, & then in the evening I succumbed to a cooked meal. :eek: Oh well, I will start over tommorow. It really helped me realize how this is sooo for me. i feel so blessed to come across this way of eating. Sorry I am getting so mushy, but i have not felt good in ages. Anyways, thanks for the post. :)
Lissa

[ReneeSC]

LOL@ Lissa getting muuuuuushy...

that happens a lot around here.. it really does. When it finally happened to me last week and this week, it was like I'd reached a new rung in my emotional well-being. It can be really scary at first; because we're like, "Oh my goodness..what's the matter with me??? I don't cry!" It's probably a good thing you finally are, ya know? Or being happy.. or sad..

You see, along with detoxing the mess our bodies have stored, we're also going to lose years of pent up and twisted around emotions that those cooked/junk/binged foods have suppressed or.. in some cases.. CAUSED..

So, if you feel like weeping, weep.. nice and deep. If you feel like screaming, scream ( okay,.. from experience.. please don't do it AT someone.. ahem ).. and if you feel like jumping around the room like a 4 year old on Christmas day... jump, jump!

Allow yourself to feel those emotions - and release the bad ones. Forgiveness.... oh.. sooo, sooo important for us! I think it's probably THE most important - even of ourselves, ya know? We have to stop hating ourselves, our lives, our mistakes.. it just makes the eating experience that much more difficult.

If you're already feeling the emotional difference, you might rollercoaster a few times - don't fear - you will even out. I hated the rollercoaster thing.. eeeooowwww.. made you feel ready for a rubber room. lol.. It passes, though.

SweetGoddess always echoes Alissa on this issue of "slipping" on cooked foods: It's not about perfection; it's about progression. It helps keep us sane around here. :) lol

If you have things not-raw - okay.. no big deal, just work through the reason why and seek to overcome that reason for the next time. In your case it's cooked in the evening. That's common - so don't feel alone. Most of us have been trained to eat our evening meals cooked for ... well, most of our lives. Oh.. yea.. THE OTHER DETOX... HABITS!

Remember.. line upon line.. precept upon precept..

I'm conscious now of creating new habits and new food-centered memories, so that when my body triggers a hungry response, I respond out of the raw-food memory "habit", and not out of the "cooked". That's another thing - you'll be able to consciously hear your mind and heart talking if you pay attention. Here is where you'll be a bit shocked at yourself. LOL.. You'll see old patterns being ..sort of.. in fast synaptic fashion.. discussed at it moves from one part of your being to the next. Here is where I'm learning to correct some old habits.

If you feel you need something warmed, that's alright. You can slightly warm things. We shouldn't consume hot things anyway - it's just not good for endocrine systems. Slightly warming means that you can put the most-sensative finger tip in what is being warmed and it won't feel hot - just nice and comfy warm. If you have a stove-top thermometer, you can train your finger to feel exactly what is 105-

Drinking the warmth really helped me through a particularly tough period after an out-patient surgery a few weeks.

I'm glad you found trust and strength in what I told you, because while I'm not new to studying food and responses - and being sick from them, I'm new to ALL raw ( although I've been high-raw several times ). There's just no comparisson between some cooked and some raw... and all raw.
I didn't understand this though it was said a hundred times! I'm understanding it now!
I just felt that what you were going through was very similar to what I was going through, and I wanted you to know that I'm feeling like a new person inside and out.

.... know what? My husband said that I have the body back I had when we married; isn't that sweet ? (I've not changed my pictures on here yet - I look DIFFERENT! ). It's almost true enough... but not totally.. :)


I don't remember if you said you've gotten Alissa's book and DVD's yet.. Have you?
I'm watching the DVD's again today. :)

When you feel you're ready - please come and join us in the 30 DAY CHALLENGE board - our group is going through 90 Days of a challenge through the holidays. We're still figuring out what to make for our families. lol !

[honeybee joy]

Renee SC,

Yeah I have her book & video, it inspired me sooo much. I feel like dogmeat today becuase of my cooked meal last nite. It really helped me realize WHAT cooked food does to you. It deep - end (sorry my spelling sucks, it didn't used to, but all of the endocrine problems give me memory problems & I have forgotten how to spell normal things. I know being raw will bring it back) I was saying it deep-end my belief that raw vegan is the answer. Did you feel real bad after you had a slip up? If you had one?
Thanks renee sc
I would like to talk to you later about medications & how they work w/ the raw food diet, I have 1 1/2 to finish reading the raw life by paul nison before I have to return it to the library at 6pm. Will chat soon
Lissa

[Jamie]

Hello~

SG and Renee said things so well,, I can't add much except that I hope you start feeling better soon. ;)
I have had a days after being raw for awhile that I just feel awful... NO energy and so dazed like. It is actually worse than I feel on SAD,, but then I usually have a bowel movement and WHOOLLLAAAA,, I feel great!!

Jamie :)